Lower Than This They Cannot Stoop

Guest Post by Thomas Fuller

Depending on when this gets posted, the post Anthony put up titled “O…M…G – Video explodes skeptical kids in bloodbath” may have sunk quite a bit down the pile of posts–Anthony and his squad are prolific posters.

But it can’t get any lower than the content shown in 10 10’s video. A relatively innocuous campaign to persuade people to lower their own emissions by 10 percent has pretty much exploded (literally) any hope that the debate can rise above the Wes Craven level. What’s next? The Last House on the Left… Isn’t Insulated?

The idea that blowing up skeptics is the proper response isn’t at all new–and skeptics have known this for ten years, if the drivel I get in my inbox is any indication at all. The very phrase ‘denier’ comes from a concerted campaign to show skeptics (and lukewarmers like myself, although we often get the double whammy title delayer and denier) as equivalent to those who denied the Holocaust occurred.

There has been a concerted campaign to paint everyone who does not agree with Al Gore and James Hansen as monstrous, ranging from allegories with the railroad trains filled with coal heading to some concentration camp to the late Stephen Schneider’s pathetic paper attempting to assert primacy and purity by miscounting academic publications.

But this is hate speech, pure and simple. It legitimizes almost any action against or characterization of those who do not agree with the most hysterical version of Catastrophic and Cataclysmic Climate Change–shoot ’em all and let God sort ’em out.

Using ten-year-old kids as both props and victims is a particularly nice touch.

When DDB created an ad for the WWF showing planes crashing into the World Trade Center as an advertisement asking for support for green activism, it was grotesque, tasteless and an insult to all who suffered losses on September 11th, 2001. It would have been impossible to imagine a cruder, less sensitive call to green action.

Until now.

For any of those on the activist side who wonder why skeptics (and lukewarmers) don’t trust the communications put forward by their team, they might wonder just how much any sign of reason might be contaminated by the stench from garbage like this.

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DDS

I’ve already sent an email to the Club. I’m ashamed to be a Spurs fan.
It’s embarrassing on so many levels.

Chuck

Has the last child crusade of the this inter-glacial period begun?

latitude

Well Tom, infortunately you could say the same thing about democrats/liberals.
When they run out of ammo, name calling is all they have left.
I know how this racist, ignorant, homophobe, trailer trash feels.
The more they do it, the worse they look….
…now where did I put my bible and guns

Stephen Wilde

How about a video showing the consequences of:
Insufficient energy to support third world citizens because it has been priced out of their reach with millions dying in squalor.
Poverty rife in the western world as the lights go out while the windfarms crumble.
Mercury from all those energy saving light bulbs contaminating our homes and workplaces.
Starvation worldwide as food prices rise from the increased cost of pesticides and fertilisers.
Running out of scarce resources far sooner than expected because of the quantities required for electric vehicles.
A huge mountain of dead vehicle batteries unable to be safely disposed of.
Vast quantities of uneconomic premature technology having to be consigned to the scrapheaps as we find improved systems for eneregy production.
And then prominent alarmists being blown up in a similar fashion.
The silly zealots would be screaming from the rooftops at such a portrayal despite it’s manifest truth as regards the merits of their campaign.

MarbellaBoy

“The Last house on the left” – is not insulated
Ha ha ha, how about………
“The Hostel” – That’s what you get for taking a plane to Slovakia
“The Texas chainsaw massacre” – Better use for a chainsaw than cutting down trees
“The Shining” – You kept the heating on in that huge hotel for just three people?!!!
“Halloween” – Yea, I’ve got a trick in store for you alright
“Jaws” – If the shark don’t get you, the acid water will

David Gould

You are taking this way too seriously, Tom. It is an amusing video precisely because it plays on the apparent paranoia in your article – the notion that those on my side of the debate are planning on deadly reprisals against sceptics. It is fun to pretend to have a persecution complex, but sad to have a real one.

Andrew W

Many who accept AGW must be wondering with friends like these who needs enemies.

mircea

” David Gould says: September 30, 2010 at 4:40 pm
You are taking this way too seriously, Tom. It is an amusing video precisely because it plays on the apparent paranoia in your article – the notion that those on my side of the debate are planning on deadly reprisals against sceptics. It is fun to pretend to have a persecution complex, but sad to have a real one.”
– Yes, you are right . The Jews had also a persecution complex. They just couldn’t appreciate the nazis’ funny jokes. And the millions of people killed by the left under Stalin, Pol Pot, Ceausescu and co also lacked the sense of humor. What can one expect from the bourgeois and capitalists? The left was joking and they just didn’t appreciate it. Otherwise they all would have had a good laugh of the good jokes done in those concentration camps. Ha, ha… how funny to see people blowing up people! And James Lee, the eco-terrorist, he was just joking and the hostages just didn’t have a sense of humor, they were paranoia.

Joe Lalonde

Thomas,
There is always someone who can stoop lower.

David Gould

mircea ,
Um, equating actual atrocities with comedy violence is … well, I could use strong words but I will go with ‘silly’.

Jimasherman

Good job on the article Thomas.
Now we must confront the question of whether one can buy “just a little” snake oil .
Just for David Gould:
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers–Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them-now
Got your button yet David ?

David Gould

Jimasherman ,
Sure do, Jimasherman. 🙂
I have already been referred to that. The existence of irrational lunatics does not mean that comedy violence is not funny.

John Whitman

Tom Fuller,
People can stoop lower than the video. For example commenter David Gould stoops lower than the video by saying that if we don’t think it is humorous then we have some pyschological problem.
There is no bottom . . .
John

Douglas Dc

David Gould-why do you support the murder of children?
children who think for themselves.
Murder is not funny.
genocide is not funny.
My late father in law liberated Dachau.
He told the story of piles of bodies and
living skeletons. If you think that this is funny,
Dachau must be a laugh riot…

David King

There is really nothing comical about this video. No humor at all.

David Gould

John Whitman,
Lighten up. We’re not out to get you. 🙂

ZT

Yes, there is clearly something sadly desperate about this video. Now if the Brits made a similar piece on regular dental treatment – that would provide a sensible application of the precautionary principle.
Also, I am suspicious that Crouch has had his legs surgically reduced, in a deliberate attempt to annoy defenders. Either that or his stilts are corroding in the warm moisture which passes for climate disruption in London.

mircea

David Gould says: September 30, 2010 at 6:23 pm
“mircea , Um, equating actual atrocities with comedy violence is … well, I could use strong words but I will go with ‘silly’.”
What? Now you lost your sense of humor? It’s funny… Here it is a guy who doesn’t follow the authority and the authority blows him up. Ha, ha, ha … what a good joke!

David Gould

Anthony Watts,
Didn’t you already ask that question? I am guessing that, for whatever reason, you want the answer in this thread, too. No problem: yes, I do. Editor, writer and researcher, in case you’re interested. 🙂

David Gould

Douglas Dc,
Umm, you may have missed it, but this video is *fiction*. Equating Dachau to fiction is a … odd, to say the least. My grandfather was Jewish, so it is really a bit personally insulting. But thinking that me finding fictional violence amusing means that I support the murder of children perhaps indicates that you are not thinking clearly at the moment, and so I will cut you some slack.

Spector

I have not bothered to look at it, but perhaps this is an out-growth of the computer-game mentality where you imagine yourself as ‘Wonder Man’ out to save the planet from the big-oil monsters and blast as many of them away as possible to get the highest score. I would not be surprised if someone were not developing a computer-game with this theme right now.

David Gould

Anthony Watts,
Unfortunately, my influence extends precisely nowhere. I could write a letter to the federal minister for agriculture that *might* have *slightly* more chance of being read by someone in a position to do something, but that would be about it. And it appears to be a state matter, rather than a federal one. A further complication is that the federal government is Labor and the state government Liberal.
Perhaps the best advice I could offer is for the family to contact Bob Katter, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, the three country independents. Tony Crook, a National Party member from WA but one who wishes to be considered as an Independent, might also be well worth a shot. These people have power in the new hung parliament.

Brian G Valentine

What would alarmists call this sick [snip]?
I guess they would call it “edgy” or something, I don’t know.
Go ahead, delete my post for calling it “sick [snip]” but that’s exactly what it is.

Jimasherman

“Jimasherman ,
Sure do, Jimasherman. 🙂
I have already been referred to that. The existence of irrational lunatics does not mean that comedy violence is not funny.

Here’s the deal David.
I feel strongly about this so I switched up to my full name.
This is not comedy violence. No matter how you cut it I am not getting the joke. Nor is it absurd enough to be in the Monty Python, Blackadder realm with which I am quite familiar.
It is quite apparent that people who find it funny fall into two categories.
A: people that are already propagndized to be enthusiastic to the point of fanatacism about the “Climate Crisis”, and they are a bunch of nutters as we have seen in great detail.
and
B: people who find it so over the top that they do not even believe that this is what we in the USA would cal a PSA ( Public service announcement) in advertisement if a political public participation event, sponsored by fanatical NGO’s.
Pick yer poison wisely .

Richard Sharpe

Well, fictional violence, as in Wile E Coyote and Elmer Fudd and so forth, is amusing.
Fictional violence, as in A Clockwork Orange, is disturbing.
Given the propensity for the AGW crowd to label sceptics as denialists (and thus equate them to holocaust denialists) it behoves them avoid going overboard, it would seem to me. Or perhaps they just can’t help themselves … perhaps it is like Bush derangement syndrome. (Climate Sceptics Derangement Syndrome, anyone?)

Somebody on the other thread suggested going to You Tube and flagging this video for disgusting content. I did. Hope many others will follow suit.

David Gould

mircea ,
Again you are failing to make the distinction – often considered crucial – between reality and fiction. Things that are funny in fiction are often horrific in reality.
Fiction.
Reality.
The key thing to remember here is *they are not the same thing*. I hope that I have helped. 🙂

I was so disgusted that I did not watch past the first minute.

David Gould

Jimasherman,
By my own estimation, I am in neither category – your opinion as to my mental state may differ, of course. 🙂
I find it amusing in large part *because* of the over the top reaction to it. People here are claiming that *because I find this video funny I must support the murder of children or find Dachau a barrel of laughs*. Those are their – apparently – serious claims. Surely you agree that that is either hilarious or very, very sad.

Douglas Dc

I am thinking perfectly clear Mr. Gould. My wife’s gr. grandfather was Jewish,her mother and father belonged to B’nai B’rith. They belonged because of my father in law
and his experiences in liberating Dachau. I realize I am just an old Eastern Oregon Redneck, not as sophisticated as you, but. Killing Children in a bloody cloud is not funny. Period.
Mien Kampf was fiction. The fiction of a clouded,evil mind. Look where it led.
I work with young people. This “Comedy” “work of fiction” could easily erupt in
reality. I knew an old man.He was raised in Hitler’s Germany. He went to Hitler
Youth. He hated Jews, Gypsies, and Gays. His days spent in the seat of a flack 88
as a young teen, in April, 1945 got him captured by the Americans. If head been
Captured by the Russians he probably would’ve been dead. He wrote of his indoctrination. He would talk to anyone who would listen to him. He was a
Nuclear Engineer I knew at the Hanford area. He said”Dehumanization is the
first step to the ovens.” This video dehumanized those who disagree. Dehumanization is the first step to the end described by- mircea, and my friend.
As we speak, there is a Terrorist that may or may not have been thwarted by
the USA,Britian, Germany et.al. These young people were warped by bad men and
their ideas. Also the perverting of a Religion.
Yes, it is a stretch, but one that has been made before.

Michael Jankowski

I can only imagine the outrage and “danger” if such a video were produced about abortion , politicians, or many other subjects.
How about a video of Muslims being blown-up? Would that be funny because it plays on the paranoia of American’s hating Muslims and wanted them gone? What a joke that would be on Muslims! Laughter for everyone!

rbateman

The 10-10 video is socially crippled.

Andrew W

Richard Sharpe says:
September 30, 2010 at 7:21 pm
“Given the propensity for the AGW crowd to label sceptics as denialists (and thus equate them to holocaust denialists) ”
Oh for petes sake! I stopped using the word “denier” because people claimed I was making a link with Holocaust deniers, so I switched to “denialist” which was probably better as I think of such people as in denial of an addiction.
Now Richard is saying Holocaust deniers are actually “holocaust denialists”.

John Whitman

David Gould,
Patronizing with statements that we just do not get the joke and lecturing on how fiction cannot be compared to reality in this case?
You are joking of course.
John

kim

If it’s a joke, I don’t get it. If it’s a piece of vile propaganda, I do get it.
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David Gould

John Whitman,
Seriously: people here are *directly comparing this video with the Holocaust*. And I am *patronising* them by pointing out that one is fiction and the other reality?
I am indeed poking fun. In response to that idiocy, what other options are open to me?

latitude says: …now where did I put my bible and guns
No worries, I’ve got a whole truckload of them in my fallout shelter so I can loan you a few. Need any beer and chili-cheese-dogs? Got those with nachos sauce too. I can deliver them with my Diesel 4×4 dually truck… once I get the deer carcasses unloaded 😉
@Those who defend the video as “humor”, so call it OK:
Please post a video showing Mohammed being beheaded by a jew in drag, great fun, I’m sure. Then post one showing a gay woman being gang banged by the football team, do it as animation and make the guys very large, harry, and dumb. How about one showing Jihadies in clown suits blowing up a jewish school… I’m sure it will all be ‘a real hoot’ and nobody would find it offensive or hate speech… /sarcoff>
Feel OK about defending THOSE ideas as “just humor, get over it”?
I didn’t think so.
While I personally find the whole concept of “hate speech” to be hateful ( for exactly the reason that it puts some group in charge of deciding what speech is OK); the fact is that we are saddled with it. So “in for a penny in for a pound”: If you would not accept substituting a {gay, woman, black, jew, moslem, handicapped, asian, Redheaded Stepchild, …} in the video, then it’s “hate speech” and you get to just suck it up and accept that the promoters are “haters”.
Oh, and advocacy for murder is often a crime. Might want to check your local laws…

david moon

absolutely disgusting
[snip ~ E]

Jimasherman

David Gould says
“I find it amusing in large part *because* of the over the top reaction to it. People here are claiming that *because I find this video funny I must support the murder of children or find Dachau a barrel of laughs*. Those are their – apparently – serious claims. Surely you agree that that is either hilarious or very, very sad.”
Well David I am about 4 posts beyond reason but I can try.
Firstly, even humor is not always funny. Since we are using Monty Python,
I can say for instance, that while “Holy Grail” was very funny, “Spamalot” was not.
Same material, same author, just not funny in that venue ( not to mention the gratuitous “You’ve got to have a Jew” song)
By the same token, just as movies and plays are different things, so, Humor for its own sake, and funny adverts are two different things.
No one thinks the guy who uses “AXE” will really get all the chicks but he would like to.
No one thinks the AGW advocates are really going to kill Skeptics, but they would like to.
This video is not humor for its own sake but an advertisement meant to intimidate and propagandize young children.
In that context of NGO sponsored events of sacrifice for the planet, it is unfunny.
Just as unfunny as the self-deceasing Chimapnzee.
But more disturbing to us because we already know that our comrades to the left on the climate crisis side, have not just wrong but plainly ( since everyone now knows that it is wrong) evil plans afoot, even for the people they pretend to want to help.
If you don’t know this stuff, catch up.
I see you didn’t get the “eugenics” comment.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourself withe the Malthusian, and Erlichian strains of the climate movement as we have here at some length, and find out how deeply those strains run.

Douglas Dc says: I am thinking perfectly clear Mr. Gould. My wife’s gr. grandfather was Jewish,her mother and father belonged to B’nai B’rith. They belonged because of my father in law and his experiences in liberating Dachau.
Hmmm…. My F.I.L. was a Drill Seargent in the 101 st Airborne and also participated in camp “liberations” in WWII. My Dad was a “combat Engineer” in the same area and got to blow open various ‘enclosures’. Guess even 2nd hand those experiences change you. I know it did me… My son is picking it up from watching Band Of Brothers and knowing his GrandDad was there…
Any advocating of blowing up those who do not agree with you is, at best, vile. That this preys on children is both sick and vile. Doing it as part of a politically driven “event” is, IMHO, beyond vile and reminds me of prior manipulation of children by National Socialists…
Maybe they could start a health oriented “sun cult” and advocate for population reduction among the least “fit”, in a green sort of way, of course. Oh wait, someone already tried that and it didn’t turn out so well…

David Gould

Douglas Dc,
Mein Kampf was fiction, but not in the sense that you mean. It was actually a serious statement of intent, although filled with lies. Again, comparing this video to Mein Kampf and saying “If you think that this is funny, Dachau must be a laugh riot…” is more than a stretch; it is a complete break.
‘Could easily erupt in reality’. Oh, please. In that case, you must ban all television violence, comedic or otherwise, as it ‘could easily erupt in reality’.

David Gould

Jimasherman,
I agree that not all attempts at humour are funny – indeed, I would say that most attempts are not; humour is actually very difficult to do well.
When you say that AGW advocates would like to kill sceptics, I am not really sure how to respond other than to say: I – a passionate AGW advocate – do not want to kill you or any other sceptic.
I understand what the word ‘eugenics’ means and where it comes from. But I am unclear what it had to do with me.

John Whitman

By David Gould on September 30, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Seriously: people here are *directly comparing this video with the Holocaust*. And I am *patronising* them by pointing out that one is fiction and the other reality.
I am indeed poking fun. In response to that idiocy, what other options are open to me?

——
David Gould,
But I think you do see the point being made by commenters that if we were to write a fiction story about some future fascist government tiring to push red buttons to eliminate Jews, it would not be funny except to someone who would be psychologically sick.
If you were to agree that such a fiction story would not be funny, then you probably can see why we do not find the 10:10 video funny.
John

Steve Allen

David Gould,
You certainly have every right to a dark sense of humor. However, it seems a bit strange to express it publicly, especially in contrast to the obvious disgust by others. Do you feel some overriding need to defend what many rightfully view as distasteful? David, you have heard of statements such as, “humor doesn’t travel”, or “humor doesn’t translate”, right?
So, why don’t you lay-off the folks who are outraged by this stupid video?
Oh, by the way, it also seems to me the majority of paranoia is on your side, i.e., fear of, at worst, fractional degree temperature changes on decadal or longer time scales. Lighten up, would you?

Oh, and I’d just also point out that the ‘leaders’ of the AGW Crusade have advocated for lawlessness with Hansen having been arrested a couple of times and having testified that breaking the law is OK if your cause is desperate enough. (And that is now case law in the UK). So we have direct ADVOCACY of illegal and violent acts along with a justification of them and a daemonizing behaviour toward skeptics by the very leaders of this ‘movement’.
It is in that context that this video is floated.
Yeah, that’s a problem… No, it’s not humor.
So when some punk in the UK beats up or knifes a classmate for being a skeptic, and gets ‘let off’ due to pointing at the Hansen precident, are you OK with that? (And if you don’t think that can / will happen, spend some time teaching. My spouse is a teacher and that kind of thing happens very often.)

This isn’t aimed at us. It’s aimed at young people. It is meant to paint those who don’t fall into line as less than human. It is meant to stifle dissent and legitimize ridicule and hatred.
It is hate speech.

David Gould

Steve Allen,
The fact that I am defending it indicates a need to do so at some level. I agree that people have different senses of humour. But I do think that the reaction to this video on this website has been over the top, and at the moment it is that reaction I am trying to understand/analyse/poke at.

David Gould

John Whitman,
Context is everything, as is timing. History of the World Part I by Mel Brooks has a scene in a Spanish Inquisition torture room which is very funny; Black Adder also had a scene in a torture room that was likewise very amusing.
I would like to ask you a question. Do you think that me finding this video funny mean that, as one person here has suggested, I advocate the murder of children as social policy? If you do not, then you surely agree that some of the reaction here has been over the top.

randybutters

Mr. Gould; you keep making the distinction between ‘reality’ and ‘fiction’ which I think the makers of this video are not. They are basing this trash as fact with what you call a comedic vision of violence. I dont see how you can make one distinction and not the other. If you are saying that the whole thing is comedic, then I agree on the point that their viewpoint is comedic, if you can see it that way. I think it more of a ideological mindset with no basis in fact, and therefore yes, it could be viewed as comedic, if you can stomach that kind of comedy. Personally I love violence in my movie/tv viewing, but this is not what is going on here. You are transposing two different ideas together that make no sense, such as my ability to make a salient point simply. Its like saying that because feathers are lite then if your in a room full of feathers it cant be dark. Either they are saying something they believe is true or they are making, in my opinion as well as most other rational people, a very bad and tasteless comedy short.

MarkG

“No one thinks the AGW advocates are really going to kill Skeptics, but they would like to.”
I’m far from convinced: the left have always resorted to the mass murder of their opponents when they had the opportunity to do so, when they’re unable to convince them by rational argument… I’m sure there are plenty of AGW-ers who’d be more than happy to send us all off to death^H^H^H^H^Hpublic safety camps if they could.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler; with a hundred million murdered by socialists and communists in the last few decades, what’s a few ‘climate change denialists’ to them?