And in an unbelievable gaffe, he’s told a whole group of people exactly where they can go:
It is probably the most ugly statement I’ve ever seen from a politician regarding a group of people with ideas that disagree with the politician’s own view. If it were a race or class issue, he’d be vilified. He apparently has lost touch with what it means to be an American.
From The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room:
“An iceberg four times the size of Manhattan has broken off Greenland, creating plenty of room for global warming deniers to start their own country,” Markey said in a statement.
And I thought we were past things like this.
AP, Boston Globe, and WBZ-TV confirm this story. Here’s the story on the calving I broke before any MSM where I said “watch the media” I should have said “watch the politicians”.
Markey, who chairs the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, co-authored the House version of the climate change bill that’s currently stalled in the Senate.
h/t to Luboš Motl
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I think we, as Americans, with rights to free speech, should all remind Congressman Markey of what that actually means, especially those in Massachusetts who voted this man into office. His email contact form is here.
Below is the contact info from his web page:
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@gm
“some of us happen to realize that if the species goes extinct, our genes go extinct too”
Those that go extinct deserved to go extinct. Darwinism in action.
Or maybe you can grok it by a tenure analogy. If old tenured professors never died there wouldn’t be room for aspirants.
But it really appears that genes don’t become extinct. They just get shuffled around.
Researchers find sea sponges share 70pc human genes
Of course I’ve always worked under the rubric that we share 50pc of our genes with bananas so the above is hardly surprising news.
This is just evidence of engineering at work. Genes are components like nuts and bolts, or transisters and capacitors. You can make lots of different things from the same set of component parts. Where there is engineering in evidence there is usually an engineer behind it.
GM
It’s not my area of expertise, why should I be doing it? And if you have better suggestion for climate modeling, why don’t you share them with the community and implement them in practice? Or maybe it’s because you don’t have anything better to offer…
Oops. Sorry! From your previous comments, I mistakenly thought that you knew it all…
Anyhow…I can understand if you are ill-equipped to understand the climate models you believe in…
GM:
bacteria in culture poison themselves and die, deer populations eat up all the lichens and then die, etc,
However your ideology advises “non reproductive behaviors” which will avoid this. Are you personally practicing those behaviors?
GM: August 9, 2010 at 6:20 am
That there is a correlation between level of education and support of climate change should tell you something.
And what study has shown that there is a correlation between level of education and support of climate change, pray tell?
So tell us about your ‘research.’ Physics? Engineering? Mathematics?
Tenure is necessary so that you can’t have politicians and influential people with money shutting professors’ mouths. They are trying to do it now anyway, imagine what it would be like without tenure. The Soviet Union didn’t have tenure, for example, and it lost countless brilliant minds because of that.
That’s what tenure was *intended* to be — it’s been gamed into a system by which it is now impossible to fire substandard or non-productive teachers. And the Soviet Union didn’t lose all those brilliant minds because it didn’t have tenure — it lost them because the state told them what they would think, dictated where they would work, and punished them for being either politically-incorrect or insufficiently-enthusiastic about the future of socialism.
The phrase, “politically-incorrect” — which the Libs are so fond of — was coined by Lenin, by the way. He stated that the children of parents who were “not politically-correct” could be executed without a trial.
Which horrified Stalin — he insisted that they should have a trial before they were executed.
For some strange reason words like burning, stake, and inquisition come to mind when I hear about public representatives making comments such as this…
GM: August 8, 2010 at 8:48 pm
A country of morbidly obese dimwits…
How nice. A believer in the junk science of Body Mass Index.
I’m six feet tall and weigh 187 pounds. I’m sixty-four years old, have a 34-inch waist, and I can still hoist 225-pound rocks chest-high and walk away with them.
And according to the BMI, *I* am morbidly obese.
GM:
That there is a correlation between level of education and support of climate change should tell you something.
GM, the fact that you fall for the word-gamed term “climate change”, then even “support” it, and furthermore use this essentially meaningless criterion as a way to allegedly verify your own allegedly superior mental content and functioning, tells me all I need to know about you: currently you are at least out of your league and way way way behind the curve – something which you could remedy; or at worst you are trapped in a fantasyworld “thought or word capsule”, perhaps so completely divorced from and actively protected against reality – i.e., delusional – that you might not ever emerge.
Seriously, GM, it’s your mind so the next move is completely yours. Forget about saving the World and save yourself instead. Save your mind.
Then perhaps you could at least assist in protecting people against the variety of Super Snake Oil Salesmen and Saleswomen who essentially want to control the World by way of their giant Propaganda Operations = Thought Control, such as the CAGW “climate change” concoction, and currently have you and many like you in their sway!
It’s all up to you and no one else can do it for you.
However, thinking it again, how will you call that new country? Because it would monopolize all thinking brains from the world, so the rest would become a nuisance.
I wonder if the esteemed congressman also recommends for warmists to buy farmland in central greenland.
I do not deny the sun caused global warming till 1998 when upon global cooling began to set in.
GM, you say you are by no means a socialist, but your points seem part of the Marxist doctrine. You say that to save ourselves we need to replace the global economy with an unswerving Orwellian belief in and obedience to biophysics or other form of science that determines what we, as a people, can buy, what we can make, how we can make it and how much we can earn. Who will make these decisions? Will they be accountable? Who will pay for this transformation to utopia and where will the money come from? When you can answer those questions I will show you why it is about money and power.
As for extinction, that has been going since since the earth cooled. My background, before I decided to find a more lucrative way to make a living was in Invert Paleo. I was fortunate enough to see Burgess Shale materials and watch students from Oxford and Cambridge evaluate the collection as they worked on their doctoral thesises. From that material I learned that many species, countless genera have vanished, most over 500 million years ago. (I always liked Stephan Jay Gould’s analogy that the evolutionary tree comes to a point—not an inverted one that branches out over time. The former can be seen in the geologic record. The latter arose out of an incomplete knowledge of that paleontological record.) Extinction happens. I have, however, heard your arguments before 40 years ago. And we survived. Mankind is quite clever and there are few things we can not overcome:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/matt_ridley_when_ideas_have_sex.html
@GM
That there is a correlation between level of education and support of climate change should tell you something.
The correlation between liberal politics and authority figures in universities should tell you something too.
GM,
You said, “The driving force behind these warnings is the survival instinct that’s so fundamental to our behavior as a species (and to every other species) – primitively speaking, the concept of the selfish gene – some of us happen to realize that if the species goes extinct, our genes go extinct too.”
In what manner, do you conceive, that even in the worst case scenario sounded by the most dire alarmist that CAGW/CC will cause the destruction of mankind? Your argument is quite humorous. Going back through the discussion you take many people in this country to task for being detached from reality and lament the fact that most in this country don’t understand the “science” behind the CAGW hoax. So with those thoughts in mind:
Can you point me to the literature that predicts the total annihilation of the human race in regards to climate change? If not, then many of your statements are simply ranting and ravings of a person that is either not well planted in reality or has a difficult time with the science.
Tell me, what is the tricky scientific method for collecting the world’s temps and then averaging the world’s temps to get a global mean? That’s not science, that’s fundamental math. The fact that the world’s climate tracking organizations can’t get it correct (GISS, HADCRUT, NOAA, ect.), paradoxically suggest you may have a point about most having difficulty with the science. (Until one realizes the errors by these bodies are too numerous to be inadvertent.) We could stop there with the science, and probably should because if they can’t get this base tenet of their argument correct, the rest falls to meaningless pontifications. Still, an average 9th grader can see this but some on this planet refuse to see. So, either you’re correct and the world is replete with morons that can’t see the worlds leading climate authority’s mathematical malpractice. Or, (and I believe this to be the case) many of the world is involved an a class-envy, self-loathing, grab for control of the earth’s populace. I would prefer the world be full of morons with good character as opposed to bright people of poor character.
So GM, find me the literature where we’re going to all die because of the 0.6C rise in temps. Or even 6C? Man has adapted quite well throughout his short history and there is no reason to expect he couldn’t even if the most dire prognostications of the CAGW theory were correct. Given the multitude of documented cases(here and many other sites) of the various climate tracking bodies of falsification of temperatures and altering of historical temperature, I maintain, no one can say whether the earth is warming or not. If you can’t prove either, 1) the world is getting warmer because of CO2 and other GHG, and 2) that the warming will be a total apocalyptic event can cause the destruction of mankind, then you are one of two types of people. One, would be a person that can’t understand base mathematics or two a person that simply ignores the base arguments because he/she wishes the world to conform to their belief systems and views. Earlier in the thread you lamented this nation’s (U.S.A.) contributions to the world as far as societal benefit. You entirely missed/forgot/overlooked or simply chose to ignore this nation’s greatest contribution. Freedom and the practical application of the principles of Liberty. While the Samuel Adams quote I posted earlier was apt, Patrick Henry also stated this fundamental truth in a similar manner.
He said “Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”
Did this statement simply provide a rallying call to war? Or does it give us insight to a basic principle of life? The greatest global and historical societal contribution of the U.S was delivered upon its inception. Patrick Henry was stating that existence isn’t the most base need of humanity, liberty is. Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell), years later expounded upon this basic principle and gave us some insights as to how the world would operate if ideas freedom an liberty were denied in favor of mere existence. Of course, it wasn’t simply Henry and Adams that were echoing this sentiment, the idea expressed was repeating in various terms by various people throughout our march towards independence. From Franklin to Washington to Jefferson, all stated the same sentiment.
GM, this is our heritage, this is our legacy, this is this nation’s greatest achievement and contribution. I’m heartsick to think a great many in this nation has turned their back upon our lessons of history and humanity and continue to contrive to take away our base reason for existence. If this nation can’t maintain even the facade of liberty and freedom, what hope is there for the rest of the world? While cynicism isn’t something I like to dwell on, Thomas Paine was correct, “When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.”
A note; GM, man has contrived to take the freedoms and liberties away from other men for time eternal, the CAGW theory is simply the same in a tired old guise of doing it for our own benefit. It’s too bad you can’t or won’t see this. Maybe, one day you will. I hope it won’t be too late by the time you do.
Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.——-George Orwell, 1984
I choose to guard against the above paragraph as opposed to an in imperceptible rise of mercury in a glass tube.
Dave Springer
I think the younger folks need to be cut some slack though.
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You’re quite right Dave. And I wait for the time, which I hope is soon, when GM has his “Aha” moment of free thought. Then, perhaps, that young man will get out of the lab and into the real world where he can direct his passion to solving problems instead of railing against them.
@gm
“we’re supposedly much smarter”
Orgel’s Second Rule: Evolution is cleverer than you are.
Perhaps that’s what you meant by “supposedly”.
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
Patrick Henry
James Sexton says:
August 9, 2010 at 10:01 am
An extraordinary piece!
Again, why waste time arguing with this GM dude or dudette? You’re not going to convince him/her or any of his/her ilk. Global Warming is a key ingredient in the nicely baked up World View of Collectivist Fruit Cake, which they all must partake of. Maybe when the, “Dear Leader,” doles out his portion he will get a leaky paper cup with some soy milk to gag it down with.
Anton says:
A majority of people in this country are not morbidly obese dimwits, are not creationists, and do not believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.
I did not bother to point this out, but I do, in fact, agree.
BTW, I am not a Christian or chiropractor, am not obese, and do not spend my time watching television while eating junk food. I also do not know a single person who fits GM’s description of the typical American.
Same here. I am also a liberal. I vote republican only because at this point in history, the GOP (far) more closely embraces the genuine principles of liberalism than does the democratic party.
CAGW is nothing more than cargo cult science, as these tests for falsification are ignored.
Unfortunately they bring no cargo, but instead wish to take cargo away.
William says:
August 9, 2010 at 10:48 am
Again, why waste time arguing with this GM dude or dudette? You’re not going to convince him/her or any of his/her ilk
That would be easy!, just tell him/her that Al Baby is the best argument against AGW. 🙂
lichanos says:
August 8, 2010 at 3:57 pm
“Oh cool it with the righteous indignation. I share your disdain for Markey’s bill in Congress, but the man was making a joke. A stupid joke, a joke based on his pseudo-science ideology, but nowhere near ACTUAL legislation to imprison Japanese-Americans, or anything like it.”
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I’m sorry lichanos, but I firmly believe that people give themselves away by the jokes they make. I also have disdain for those who think that history cannot and will not repeat itself.
Anyway, while not being an American, I certainly do believe that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. And that’s hard these days with so may TV/Media brainwashed, apathetic, disempowered, KoolAid drinking people about.
Anyway, lichanos, this is JUST like Ahmadinejad saying that Israel should relocate to Alaska.
Aw, quit the righteous indignation, he was only making a joke.
Yeah?
@Katabasis
“…I actually put my face in both my hands after reading it…”
It’s actually worse than I described. The swivel-eyed dribbling eco-nutcases that govern us are imposing a massive new tax on something they can’t define. They are so eager to slap the new tax on new homes that they forgot that they still have no definition for what constitutes a “zero-carbon home”, or any of the other tax bands covering new homes in this proposal.
See where our corrupt AGW-loving politicians are leading us? They don’t know what something is, but they are prepared to tax it anyway.
Enneagram says:
August 9, 2010 at 10:45 am
“An extraordinary piece!”
Thank you very much. I read your posts, too. I perceive your comment as quite a compliment.
William says:
August 9, 2010 at 10:48 am
“Again, why waste time arguing with this GM dude or dudette? You’re not going to convince him/her or any of his/her ilk..”
Ah, but we do William. Perhaps not GM, perhaps so. All one has to do is look at the hit stats of this site. While GM is just one, many, many more are reading. The free flow of ideas and thoughts is what is important here. GM has a right to his thoughts and Anthony has graciously allowed all of us fairly free expression here. GM has a right to be wrong. What a boring site this would be if it were only full of correct thinkers such as you and I. 😉