AGW=dead lizards? Maybe it's not the heat, but the handbags and herpetology aficionados?

I covered this story Mid May on WUWT.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/13/now-its-lizards-going-extinct-due-to-climate-change/

An email today asking if this is real science or just hype prompted me to do some research. First, below, the tragic story from the lizard specialist at BYU, whose rediscovery of some old field notes apparently was enough to touch off a firestorm of press coverage. My rebuttal, with citations, follows. – Anthony

BYU prof co-authors Science paper showing climate-induced lizard decline

Lizard researcher dusts off 30-year-old field notes that formed foundation of the study (note these links to news stories are provided by BYU in their press release, they seem quite happy to have the coverage -A)

PROVO, Utah – When Brigham Young University biology professor Jack Sites spent summers in the late 1970s collecting lizards in Mexico, he had no idea his field notes would one day help form the foundation for a worldwide study that attributes local lizard extinctions to climate change.

Sites is the senior author on the paper published in this week’s issue of Science. Led by Barry Sinervo, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of California, Santa Cruz, the study reports a global pattern of lizard die-offs in habitats unchanged except for rising temperatures.

The researchers surveyed lizard populations, studied the effects of rising temperatures on lizards, and used their findings to develop a predictive model of extinction risk. Their model accurately predicted specific locations on five continents (North and South America, Europe, Africa, and Australia) where previously studied lizard populations have already gone locally extinct. According to the model, if current trends continue, 20 percent of lizard species could go extinct by 2080.

The disappearance of lizard populations is likely to have repercussions up and down the food chain. Lizards are important prey for many birds, snakes, and other animals, and they are important predators of insects.

The study began when Sinervo noticed local lizard extinctions, one of which was among the lizards studied by Sites between 1977 and 1991.

“I had provided a baseline data set with precise localities where the lizards were common,” Sites explained. “But Mexican ecologists were going back every few years, and pretty soon the lizards were hard to find, and then they weren’t seeing any. These are protected areas, so the habitat’s still there. So you start to think there is something else going on.”

Using Sites’ field notes for comparison, Sinervo and collaborators resurveyed 48 species of spiny lizards (Sceloporus) at 200 sites in Mexico where the lizards had been studied between 1975 and 1995. They found that 12 percent of the local populations had gone extinct.

They later connected the lizards’ decline to climate records and studied the effect of rising temperatures on lizard physiology and behavior. For example, cold-blooded lizards can’t forage for food when their bodies get too hot – they must seek shade because they can’t regulate their own temperature. The researchers found that the hours per day when the temperature allowed foraging dropped significantly.

Sites said that when the temperature increase hits during a critical month of the reproductive cycle, the lizards don’t get enough energy resources to support a clutch of eggs or embryos.

“The heat doesn’t kill them, they just don’t reproduce,” said Sites, who earned BYU’s highest honor for faculty, the Maeser Distinguished Faculty Award, in 2002. “It doesn’t take too much of that and the population starts to crash.”

But for the phenomenon to be linked to climate change, the pattern would need to be seen globally. Sites connected Sinervo with researchers in Chile and Argentina, where Sites has been working for a decade. Sinervo also worked with researchers who documented lizard declines in Africa, Australia, and Europe.

“To get this kind of pattern, on five continents in 34 different groups of lizards, that’s not random, that’s a correlated response to something big,” Sites said, adding that the effect appears to be happening too fast for the lizards to adapt.

Sites finds no joy in being part of such a significant study. “It’s a terrible sinking feeling – when I first saw the data, I thought, ‘Can this really be happening?’ It’s important to point out, but it sure is depressing.”

Sites says the model now needs detailed testing on all five continents, with a standardized protocol on lizard species that are widespread.

Read more about Sites’ exploits with reptiles in this BYU Magazine profile.

Portions of a UC-Santa Cruz news release are used here with permission.

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OK here’s the money quote from the BYU press release:

Sites explained. “But Mexican ecologists were going back every few years, and pretty soon the lizards were hard to find, and then they weren’t seeing any. These are protected areas, so the habitat’s still there. So you start to think there is something else going on.”

Yes it’s climate change! That must be it! It’s the only thing that fits…or…maybe not.

The popularity of keeping lizards as pets has exploded in the last 30 years. Catch and release programs aren’t the standard for lizards, it’s more like “catch and take home”.   In a poor country like Mexico, selling captured lizards, dead or alive to the gringos = easy money.

Take for example this report about lizard trade in Mexico from American University:

http://www1.american.edu/ted/REPTILE.HTM

Reptile Trade from Mexico:

“The illegal skins trade in Mexico represents millions of dollars annually on the black market.”

Here’s a peer reviewed paper on the lizard skin trade in Mexico:

Here’s a story about the explosion of exotic pets, including lizards, in the UK   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-great-british-pet-the-new-trend-gripping-the-nation-424569.html

“The British Federation of Herpetologists believes there are already more reptiles than dogs in UK homes and while the number of canines began a steady decline 10 years ago, sales of snakes, lizards, spiders and snails continue to rocket with a five-fold increase in the past 10 years.”

Here’s another from Boston.com   http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/07/13/leaping_lizards/

“The popularity of reptiles as pets is exploding. In 2006, 4.8 million households in the United States owned 13 million reptiles, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. That’s double the 2.4 million households that owned reptiles in 1996.”

Maybe its not the heat, but the handbags: The “endangered species handbook” says: http://www.endangeredspecieshandbook.org/trade_reptile_lizards.php

“The luxury reptile leather trade has pushed many species toward extinction, and it shows no signs of declining.  Lizard and snakeskin products are now being sold in the volume that turtle and crocodilian leather once were. “

Even the WWF admits the trade is the problem:   http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/globalmarkets/wildlifetrade/faqs-reptile.html

“Scientists recognize some 6,000 species of reptiles in five different groups: turtles and tortoises (order Testudines), tuataras (order Rhynchocephalia), lizards (order Sauria), snakes (order Serpentes), and crocodilians (order Crocodylia). Reptiles are traded live as pets and for their parts, particularly their skins, which are valued for certain leather items such as shoes, wallets, handbags, and watchbands. In addition, some reptiles are used as food and to make traditional medicines.”

I find the choice of lizard used by Dr. Sites in the video and press release hilarious, because it underscores his complete lack of understanding of what’s going on outside his world. He uses an Australian bearded lizard (dragon) in the video, and provide this photo in the BYU PR page:

Click here to download

An Australian bearded dragon.

What’s funny about using a bearded lizard? They aren’t going extinct, they are being bred to meet the popularity demand.

http://www.lakehowellanimalclinic.com/html/bearded_dragon_biology.html

Bearded dragons (Pogona vitticeps) are omnivorous lizards that are native to Central Australia. These squamates have been raised in captivity with great success, with (estimates of) over 250,000 being produced in captivity per year.

Of course, with other lizards disappearing, it HAS to be climate change. There could not be any other explanation. Because, well, there just isn’t.

What a load of plonkers.

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UPDATE: In comments Jimbo writes:

Here are examples of why some Mexicans and other nationals would like to catch lizards:

SHOES

Manolo Blahnik Lizard skin shoes $876.00

Manolo Blahnik black lizard ‘Cicero’ $876.00

Lucchese Womens 1883 Lizard Skin Boots $369.99

Lizard & Crocodile Penny Loafers $199.99

LADIE’S BAGS

Burgundy Lizard Skin Handbag $250

Blumarine Special Edition $749.99 YOU SAVE: 70.00 % !!!

FENDI Vintage Rare Beaded SILK LIZARD $399.00

Fendi evening handbag Neve NOW ONLY $1,113.00

——

BBC

“Customs officers are to work with police forces worldwide to crack down on the smuggling of exotic birds and animals.

The illegal trade rakes in billions of pounds a year, making it the second most lucrative after drug smuggling, according to the intern

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Juraj V. says:

Temperature in Mexico:

http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/icrutem3_hadsst2_250-265E_15-30N_na.png

I can’t imagine the lizard die-off in 1860s or 1940s.

Look how the sinusoidal wave starts to go negative again.

http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/icrutem3_hadsst2_250-265E_15-30N_na.png

Well the popularity of keeping lizards as pets has exploded in the last 30 years. Catch and release programs aren’t the standard for lizards, it’s more like “catch and take home”.
In a poor country like Mexico, selling captured lizards – easy money.
Here’s a story about the explosion of exotic pets, including lizards, in the UK
The British Federation of Herpetologists believes there are already more reptiles than dogs in UK homes and while the number of canines began a steady decline 10 years ago, sales of snakes, lizards, spiders and snails continue to rocket with a five-fold increase in the past 10 years.”
Here’s another from Boston.com
The popularity of reptiles as pets is exploding. In 2006, 4.8 million households in the United States owned 13 million reptiles, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. That’s double the 2.4 million households that owned reptiles in 1996.”
Maybe its not the heat, but the handbags: The “endangered species handbook” says:
“The luxury reptile leather trade has pushed many species toward extinction, and it shows no signs of declining.  Lizard and snakeskin products are now being sold in the volume that turtle and crocodilian leather once were. “
Even the WWF admits the trade is the problem:
“Scientists recognize some 6,000 species of reptiles in five different groups: turtles and tortoises (order Testudines), tuataras (order Rhynchocephalia), lizards (order Sauria), snakes (order Serpentes), and crocodilians (order Crocodylia). Reptiles are traded live as pets and for their parts, particularly their skins, which are valued for certain leather items such as shoes, wallets, handbags, and watchbands. In addition, some reptiles are used as food and to make traditional medicines.”
Of course, it HAS to be climate change. There could not be any other explanation. What a load of plonkers.
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3x2
June 7, 2010 3:43 pm

“plonkers.”
You use this word in the US? Who knew?

Jimbo
June 7, 2010 4:04 pm

Here are examples of why some Mexicans and other nationals would like to catch lizards:
SHOES
Manolo Blahnik Lizard skin shoes $876.00
Manolo Blahnik black lizard ‘Cicero’ $876.00
Lucchese Womens 1883 Lizard Skin Boots $369.99
Lizard & Crocodile Penny Loafers $199.99
LADIE’S BAGS
Burgundy Lizard Skin Handbag $250
Blumarine Special Edition $749.99 YOU SAVE: 70.00 % !!!
FENDI Vintage Rare Beaded SILK LIZARD $399.00
Fendi evening handbag Neve NOW ONLY $1,113.00
——
BBC
“Customs officers are to work with police forces worldwide to crack down on the smuggling of exotic birds and animals.
The illegal trade rakes in billions of pounds a year, making it the second most lucrative after drug smuggling, according to the international police body, Interpol. “

Dave Springer
June 7, 2010 4:09 pm

“Species” is used very loosely in most instances. Seldom is the biological definition used which is that distinct species are those genetically incapable of producing fertile hybrids.
Imagine how difficult it would be to test for true speciation. It’s often difficult to get two of the same species to reproduce in captivity to say nothing of two that may be only subspecies. Because of this difficulty two populations that aren’t observed to interbreed in the wild because of sexual selection preference or geographic isolation are classed as separate species. If this same metric were applied to humans we’d have a couple dozen species of humans on the planet instead of just one.
So when you hear about species going extinct take it with a huge grain of salt because it’s highly likely it’s only a sub-species going extinct and no genetic diversity is actually being forever lost. It’s the loss of genetic diversity we want to avoid. Losing some populations which are merely sub-species is not a big deal because given the same selection pressures which produced the sub-species are applied to other members of the species the true breeding variant will return.
For instance look at all the different sub-species of dogs there are. Most if not all of them originated within the last 20,000 years from wolves, coyotes, and jackals (the latter three can all interbreed). The original genetic stock still exists and with selective breeding all the dog breeds can be reproduced from wolves, coyotes, and jackals. If all the dog breeds were wild, which is a laugh because few of them would survive for long, they’d be classed as a hundred different species. Given we know for sure they can interbreed because they’ve been so closely watched for so long we know that are only three wild sub-species and all the domestic canines are just inbred combinations of them selected for traits that are recessive in the wild.

Jimbo
June 7, 2010 4:10 pm

To add to my last comment, we already know that there are some Mexicans and other national around the world who engage in big time drug smuggling. Animal smuggling comes second to drugs with less harsh penalties. I’m not jumping to any conclusions but if you were criminally minded but didn’t have the muscle to compete with the violent cartels, what would you consider?

Scott
June 7, 2010 4:11 pm

So does this mean that lizards can only survive at very strict latitudes and if they stray south by, say, 20 miles/32 km (or whatever it takes to change a few tenths of a degree) they will die out? Or, if the breeding month has a +2C anomaly for a few years in a row locally (not beyond the realm of belief if kept locally for a few years), will the lizards die out?
Seriously, if they tied it to AGW in some way other than temperatures (maybe rainfall or something), then it MIGHT be buy-able, but to tie it to temperature is absurd.
I don’t care if you’re a hardcore evolution follower or think God made it all…if life was really that fragile, it wouldn’t be around today!
-Scott

latitude
June 7, 2010 4:11 pm

“”Al Gored says:
June 7, 2010 at 2:51 pm
This also explains why various species at-risk lists keep growing””
Exactly, and it’s pretty much univeral.
No one would believe that polar bears are “at-risk”.
But divide them up into much smaller colonies, and you can find a couple of colonies at risk.
Which is exactly what they did.
Also allows them to claim more species are endangered than ever before blah blah blah
I seriously doubt that there are 48 distinct and separate species of spiny lizards in Mexico, and even if there are, 12% going extinct is really no big deal. That’s only about 6, and I doubt anyone could tell them apart without cutting them open. And I seriously doubt that they would be so distinct that no other of the 42 ‘species’ of spiney Mexican lizard could not habitate the exact same location.

Stan Buffel
June 7, 2010 4:13 pm

Perhaps the problem is not AGW but chemicals in the environment that affect the reproductive cycle. I wonder if there have been any studies that track those types of changes. An interesting documentary from cbc on how human reproduction is being affected by the myriad of new man-made compounds that are being found in the environment.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/Doc_Zone/ID=1233750780
Stan

latitude
June 7, 2010 4:15 pm

“”Dave Springer says:
June 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
So when you hear about species going extinct take it with a huge grain of salt because it’s highly likely it’s only a sub-species going extinct and no genetic diversity is actually being forever lost.”‘
100% spot on Dave, thank you

June 7, 2010 4:35 pm

We watched as the iguana’s fell like rain it was so cold. The pythons stopped traffic, the only warm they could find was the blacktop to get them through the nights.
And our coconut palms died for no reason right on down to the Miami City limits and beyond. It was brutal what cold did.
And you don’t even want to hear what happened to the manatee and fish populations. Needless to say many fishing seasons had to be closed because of the cold weather die offs…

John Trigge
June 7, 2010 4:38 pm

I know that the ‘local’ (my back yard) blue-tongue lizards are extinct as the neighbours dogs ate 5 of them last year. Other possible causes I found from a quick search are:
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/portal.asp?p=Ferals1
“The fox population in Australia is estimated at 7.2 million. It is estimated this population consumes 190 million birds every year.” And foxes are notorius for eating anything and everything, including lizards.
http://www.outback-australia-travel-secrets.com/australian-desert-animals.html
“Bearded dragons originated mainly in the central desert regions of Australia. From there they conquered the rest of the planet: they are one of the most popular pet lizards in the world.”
http://www.wildlifehealth.org.au/AWHN_Admin/ManageWebsite%5CFactSheets%5CUploadedFiles/122/Adenovirus%20infection%20in%20Bearded%20Dragons%20in%20Australia%2015%20Aug%202009%20(1.0).pdf
“Agamid adenovirus 1 is a common pathogen of neonate captive bearded dragons in the USA. Its presence has been detected in captive collections in Australia. Given the popularity of the Pogona genus as a pet species it is important to monitor the presence of this virus both in captive and free living populations.”

GeneDoc
June 7, 2010 4:53 pm

At least it’s anthropogenic..

Craig Moore
June 7, 2010 5:05 pm

I thought AGW would have put Naugahyde critters on the endangered species list.

Joe
June 7, 2010 5:06 pm

Living in the UK I can vouch that I have never seen a lizard in the countryside. I think it’s because the UK has miserable cold weather. When I visit a hot country, they’re everywhere. I’m no expert, but I think lizards like it hot.
I saw a newt once. It looked like a wet lizard.

Jimbo
June 7, 2010 5:41 pm

“The global trade in smuggled wildlife is booming, with worldwide sales estimated to be anywhere from U.S. $10 billion to U.S. $20 billion.
In the United States, the trade is the second largest black market after illegal drug traffic. ”
National Geographic July 26, 2007

They can’t see the wood for the trees.

TomRude
June 7, 2010 5:42 pm

The Polar Bears in Manitoba are next if one believes a recent study http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/polar+bears+could+disappear+years/3122881/story.html
“WINNIPEG — Northern Manitoba’s celebrated polar bear population is set to vanish in just a few short decades, if research by two of the world’s top experts proves right.
The Western Hudson Bay subpopulation of polar bears, estimated at 935 animals in 2004, is expected to decline over the next 25 to 30 years to the point where there are not enough bears to sustain a breeding population, predicts University of Alberta biologist Ian Stirling, who’s been studying polar bears for 37 years.
The increasing length of the ice-free season on Hudson Bay will soon reach a tipping point where 20 to 30 per cent of Manitoba’s polar bears will begin dying off every year, according to a mathematical analysis released by Stirling’s colleague, University of Alberta biologist Andrew Derocher, who has studied polar bears for 28 years.
Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/polar+bears+could+disappear+years/3122881/story.html#ixzz0qDXp0VeI
That is IF these two guys are proven right.
Those mathematical analysis are the latest toy to predict doom and gloom thanks to global warming. Watch out what will be the next prediction… How about funding for David Barber’s rotten ice research?

George E. Smith
June 7, 2010 5:53 pm

Is this guy for real ?
I am seldom moved to the full court ROFLMAO state of utter contempt for someone claiming to be a scientist; as I am by this video clip.
So we have a busibody who has been out in the deserts and like collecting lizards; and they are disappearing. Leave the damn things alone; and maybe they will stop disappearing. We live on a planet; where the extreme range of surface temperatures duing northern summers; can range from close to -90 deg C ; at places like Vostok Station and higher up the plateau all the way to the hottest tropical deserts of North Africa and the Arab middle East where the surface temperatures exceed +60 deg C, and who knows how much higher; that is an extreme range of 150 deg C; all of which can exist simultaneously on the planet. If you join those two points of extreme limits, by a line; ANY line; going through any place on earth you want to choose; somewhere along that line, you will observe any and every possible temperature that lies between those extreme ends; and maybe outside of them; if you didn’t start with the real extremes.
And climatologers tell us that we might have warmed by about 1 deg F or 0.6 deg C in the last 150 years; and maybe not even that if you throw in the 2008 retrace.
So who hasn’t seen the video of those lizards that stand on the hot desert sands on two feet; any two feet, and play the hot step boogie; sequentially switching feet to not burn. Then they can go hide in a crevice, or under a rock; or sit out in the sun when they want to get warm.
And somebody actually believes that a 0.6 deg C change in temperature in a range of 150 deg C or more; is a life threatening trauma for these creatures; that regulate their own temperature by moving around in their habitat; including burying themselves under those hot sands; where it actually is cooler. In case you haven’t noticed; a loosely packed agglomeration of crystalline particles, is not exactly a good design for a high thermal conductivity heat transfer medium; so hiding under the sand, is a good way to keep cool if you are a lizard.
Well I got tired of listening to Jaques Cousteau complain about sport fishing; while he calmy killed harmless fish to get sharks into a feeding frenzy for his cameras; so he could con gullible Americans and others into funding his scuba diving recreation; under the guise of “scientific experimental research”. Yes and the Japanese and Norewgians, and Icelanders still kill harmless whales for “Scientific research” (pull my other leg).
So I’m going to pay attention to somebody who says a 0.6 deg C maybe temperature change is anihilating the lizards. Leave them alone; so they don’t have to worry about being chased around by predators like over zealous “researchers” in search of grant money.
Well the English language does not contain words that describe my contempt for such silliness; and if it did I would use them in this instance.

R. de Haan
June 7, 2010 6:03 pm

Climate made Europe’s apes vanish.
Great apes were wiped out of ancient Europe when their environment changed drastically some nine millions years ago, a new study shows.
But now they are back.
You find them with the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10209492.stm

SSam
June 7, 2010 6:08 pm

John Trigge
“…And foxes are notorius for eating anything and everything, including lizards….”
Don’t forget tasty humans.
Fox attack hospitalizes twin girls.
The fox entered a home through an open door and attacked the 9-month-old twin girls in their cribs. The parents were watching television and opened the door because of the heat.”
http://www.newsoxy.com/world/fox-attack-13304.html
Natch they had to throw the heat thing in there….

Jack Simmons
June 7, 2010 6:15 pm

latitude says:
June 7, 2010 at 2:16 pm

Anthony, here’s the catch/caveat to this:
“Sinervo and collaborators resurveyed 48 species of spiny lizards”
Thanks to DNA, we now have at least 7 species of giraffes.
Where in the very recent past, we only had one species of giraffe, and that one species was not in any danger.
Now, we have 7 species of giraffe, and they are all in danger.
Grouped together as one species, giraffes were in no danger.
Divided up into 7 species, all 7 species are in danger.
Get it?

Oh that term ‘species’ is a slippery little devil.
Biologists intentionally use the term to describe what is really a subspecies.
We had a big hoedown here in Colorado over the meaning of subspecies versus species.
http://www.hcn.org/issues/327/16445
The upshot?
North of the Colorado/Wyoming border this critter is fair game because it is simply a Montana Jumping Meadow Mouse. South of the border it is an endangered Preble Jumping Mouse.
I’ve been tempted to collect a few thousand of the Montana critters and setting them loose in Colorado riparian areas. Wait a few years and demand a resampling of the DNA. It would be very entertaining. Maybe the local mice would consider the imported mice ‘exotic’ and make the game even more exciting.
Naw. I would get busted and suffer years of imprisonment for messing with the endangered species act. It would be much safer to just kill a human.

Jimbo
June 7, 2010 6:15 pm

Poaching almost decimated the African elephant and rhino populations. Concerted international action helped to reverse this. Today, we are trying a different method to save lizards by attempting to reduce man’s co2 output levels. This will fail as lizards prefer warmth and die due to cold. Why the heck are there more lizards in the tropics? And if it did get warmer there would be more habitable areas for lizards in previously cooler geographic areas.
What a croc!!!

UnfrozenCavemanMD
June 7, 2010 6:20 pm

It’s not the heat. It’s the stupidity.

James Sexton
June 7, 2010 6:21 pm

Stan Buffel says:
June 7, 2010 at 4:13 pm
“Perhaps the problem is not AGW but chemicals in the environment that affect the reproductive cycle……..”
That is a possible explanation. Another would be need. Nature is brutal. Species exist where there is need. Our ecological system is complex, but not fragile. Many functions interact to perform a balance. When an animal ceases to be necessary for the balance, the animal will cease to exist. Introduction of alternate fauna that perform the same necessary function creates a hardship of the existing animal. Does man change the necessities? Of course he does. Consider the American buffalo or bison, if you will, or even the European bison. They once thrived over large territories in great numbers. Today, they are confined to relative small areas in relative few places. Why? The obvious reason is man hunted them to near extinction. But today, for the most part they are protected by a great force of law and have been for some time. Bison exist, today, because of man’s intervention. Cattle, or bovine, provide essentially the same functions as the bison, except they require less space. And, to return bison to their “original” state, we’d have to halt interstate commerce on a daily basis to facilitate the needs of the bison. Some may feel melancholy over the lack of need for the bison, but that’s an emotion and lacks rationality. Although the bison provide a much leaner meat than bovine, bison will not replace bovine meat. The fact is, like the dodo bird, the earth no longer needs bison. It doesn’t provide a necessary function any longer.
One may say the two examples, the dodo and bison, is an example of man’s intrusion into nature. I say, they are examples of man’s role in Nature.
…….Or, the diminished role of bison and the extinction of the dodo happen to coincide with industrialization of the earth and THAT’S THE CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!! Dang, it’s still our fault! 🙁
Darn, still suffering from the after effects of seeing that hockey stick graph.
Peace.

alan
June 7, 2010 6:29 pm

Species go extinct all the time, and new species are evolving all the time. Get used to it. It’s called EVOLUTION. I thought the science behind that concept was settled!

June 7, 2010 6:44 pm

Hey Anthony, not fair! There they were, all ready to get kudos for another bogus GW beatup, and here you go pointing out that they are really distracting attention from a real and genuine threat to the lizards.
Hey, these guys’ grant money is at stake! How dare you actually DO SOMETHING to help the real life lizards? Traps? Getting eaten? How could that POSSIBLY stack up against 0.7 degrees? GET REAL!!!
(/sarc for the humour-impaired)
On a serious note, here in HOT Queensland Australia, the local lizards’ main cause of death is being run over by cars. Why do they get run over by cars? Because (and I’m talking to you, Jack Sites) they LIE ON THE ROAD to warm up, and they do it in the morning, sometimes, even, at noon, and they do it in the afternoon. This is in HOT Queensland Australia where, we have been told recentlyby other GW loons, Australia is about to die due to overheating. Tell it to the poor lizards whom I have to do my best to avoid every time I drive to town. Some reptile expert! This is just yet more evidence of what a useless anti-scientific piece of trash “Science” has become.

James Sexton
June 7, 2010 6:48 pm

alan says:
June 7, 2010 at 6:29 pm
“Species go extinct all the time, and new species are evolving all the time. Get used to it. It’s called EVOLUTION. I thought the science behind that concept was settled!”
Well, …….there was a consensus……..