Now it's lizards going extinct due to climate change

From a press release from Villanova University, more worry. I don’t know about the researchers experiences, but my property is overrun with the Western Fence Lizard. I can hardly avoid stepping on them there are so many around the house. Personally, I don’t understand the linkage between warmer temperatures and lizard extinction as I’ve yet to see a lizard who didn’t want to warm itself up in direct sunshine or on heat radiating rocks/concrete/asphalt.

Maybe the researchers never saw the story about Iguanas dying and falling out of trees due to cold this past winter. Anyway, I’ll sure miss Godzilla.

Godzilla - just another lizard at risk from climate change

Study documents widespread extinction of lizard populations due to climate change

International team of biologists, including Villanova University’s Dr. Aaron Bauer, find alarming pattern of population extinctions attributable to rising temperatures.

An international team of biologists has found an alarming pattern of population extinctions attributable to rising temperatures. If current trends continue, up to 20 percent of all lizard species are predicted to go extinct by 2080. The study was published in the May 14th issue of Science.

The researchers, led by Barry Sinervo, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of California, Santa Cruz, conducted a major survey of lizard populations worldwide, studied the effects of rising temperatures on lizards, and used their findings to develop a predictive model of extinction risk. Their model accurately predicted specific locations on five continents (North and South America, Europe, Africa, and Australia) where previously studied lizard populations have already gone locally extinct. Based on the predicted probabilities of local extinction, the probability of species extinction was estimated to be 6 percent by 2050 and 20 percent by 2080. As the ongoing extinction of populations is directly related to climate change, limiting the carbon dioxide production that is driving global warming is crucial for avoiding the wave of lizard extinction in future.

“We did a lot of work on the ground to validate the model and show that the extinctions are the result of climate change,” Sinervo said. “None of these are due to habitat loss. These sites are not disturbed in any way, and most of them are in national parks or other protected areas.” While recent global extinctions of amphibians are not directly related to climate change, but largely due to the spread of disease, the ongoing extinctions of lizards are due to climate warming from 1975 to the present.

The disappearance of lizard populations was first recognized in France and then in Mexico, where 12 percent of the local populations had gone extinct since the lizards had previously been studied. Although the lizards normally bask in the sun to warm up, higher temperatures exceeding their physiological limits keep them in the shade, restricting their activity and preventing them from foraging for food. The researchers used these findings to develop a model of extinction risk based on maximum air temperatures, the physiologically active body temperature of each species, and the hours in which its activity would be restricted by temperature. The model accurately predicted the disappearance of Mexican lizards and was then extended globally to lizards in 34 different families on five continents and validated by comparing the predicted results with actual local extinctions.

Data for African lizards was provided by Villanova University professor Aaron Bauer, whose research focuses on the evolution of geckos and other reptiles in the Southern Hemisphere. Bauer, who is the Gerald M. Lemole M.D. Endowed Chair of Integrative Biology, has worked in southern Africa for more than 20 years and has described more than 100 new species of lizards from around the world. Although the predicted extinction risk for the African lizards studied was low, neighboring Madagascar can expect to lose many species and extensive local extinctions have already been documented. “In many parts of the world, lizards are almost certainly going extinct due to climate change before their very existence is known to biologists” said Bauer, whose research is funded by the National Science Foundation.

Bauer believes that most Americans, particularly those in the northeast, where there are few – often inconspicuous – lizard species, are unaware of their ecological importance. However, the disappearance of lizard populations is likely to have repercussions up and down the food chain. Lizards are important prey for many birds, snakes, and other animals, and they are important predators of insects.

The climate projections used to model extinction risks assume a continuation of current trends in carbon dioxide emissions from human activities. Many of the extinctions projected for 2080 could be avoided if global efforts to reduce emissions are successful, but it may be too late to avoid the losses predicted for 2050.

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Funding for this study came from grants from the National Geographic Society, National Science Foundation, and a diversity of international funding bodies.

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In fairness, a second press release, from AAAS about the same subject issued minutes after the Villanova release at least has some supporting data imagery. See below.

In fact, there was a group of rapid fire press releases withing minutes that hit Eurekalert:

Lizards overrun Eurekalert - click for source

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As global temperatures rise, the world’s lizards are disappearing

20 percent of all lizard species could be extinct by 2080, researchers say

This press release is available in Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, French, Portuguese and Finnish. Surveying Sceloporus lizard populations in Mexico, an international research team has found that rising temperatures have driven 12 percent of the country’s lizard populations to extinction. An extinction model based on this discovery also forecasts a grim future for these ecologically important critters, predicting that a full 20 percent of all lizard species could be extinct by the year 2080.

The detailed surveys of lizard populations in Mexico, collected from 200 different sites, indicate that the temperatures in those regions have changed too rapidly for the lizards to keep pace. It seems that all types of lizards are far more susceptible to climate-warming extinction than previously thought because many species are already living right at the edge of their thermal limits, especially at low elevation and low latitude range limits.

Caption: Global maps of observed local extinctions in 2009, and projections for 2050 and 2080 based on geographic distributions of lizard families of the world.

Although the researchers’ prediction for 2080 could change if humans are able to slow global climate warming, it does appear that lizards have crossed a threshold for extinctions—and that their sharp decline will continue for decades at least.of California in Santa Cruz, along with colleagues from across the globe, reached these conclusions after comparing their field studies of the lizards in Mexico with extensive data from around the world. Their research will be published in the May 14 issue of Science, the peer-reviewed journal published by AAAS, the nonprofit science society.

After compiling the global field data, Sinervo and his colleagues studied the effects of rising temperatures on lizards’ bodies, and created a model of extinction risks for various lizard species around the world. Their model accurately predicted specific locations on five continents where populations of lizards have recently gone extinct, and it might inform researchers on how these patterns of extinction will continue in the future.

“How quickly can Earth’s lizards adapt to the rising global temperatures? That’s the important question,” Sinervo said. “We are actually seeing lowland species moving upward in elevation, slowly driving upland species extinct, and if the upland species can’t evolve fast enough then they’re going to continue to go extinct.”

According to the researchers’ global model, which is derived from today’s trends of carbon dioxide emissions from human activities, about six percent of lizard species are due for extinction by the year 2050. Since carbon dioxide hangs around in the atmosphere for decades, the researchers say that this statistic can no longer be avoided. However, they do say that concentrated global efforts to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could possibly avert the 2080 scenarios, in which 20 percent of lizard species are expected to disappear from the planet.

The detailed study notes specifically that lizards that bear live young are particularly at risk of extinction, compared to those that lay eggs. “Live-bearers experience almost twice the risk of egg-layers largely because live-bearers have evolved lower body temperatures that heighten extinction risk,” Sinervo said. “We are literally watching these species disappear before our eyes.”

Sinervo began focusing his attention on lizard extinctions after he noticed an obvious trend during his field work in France. He identified an unsettling pattern of lizard extinctions with French researchers, Jean Clobert and Benoit Heulin, while they were surveying some of their well-documented populations. Disturbed by their findings, they contacted colleagues around the world—Jack Sites and Donald Miles in the United States, Fausto Méndez-de-la-Cruz in Mexico, and Carlos Frederico Duarte Rocha in Brazil—and a global collaboration ensued.

“This work is a fine example of interdisciplinary science and international collaboration, using methods and data from a range of scientific disciplines to improve confidence in the prediction of the biological effects of contemporary climate change, and in particular showing how long-term records and research are so crucial to the understanding of ecological change,” said Andrew Sugden, the International Managing Editor of Science.

“We would never have been able to do this without certain free, online tools like Google Scholar and Google Earth,” Sinervo said. “It took us awhile to pinpoint the appropriate search terms. But once we did, we locked onto key published studies. I was surprised at how fast researchers began sending us data… That’s what happens though: When scientists see a problem, with global evidence backing it, they come together.”

In order to fine-tune their model with this surprising global outpouring of data, Sinervo and his colleagues used a small electronic device that mimics the body temperature of a lizard basking in the sun. They placed these thermal models in sun-drenched areas for four months at sites in Mexico where lizard populations were still thriving—and at sites where they have already gone extinct.

“There are periods of the day when lizards can’t be out, and essentially have to retreat to cooler places,” Sinervo said. “When they’re not out and about, lizards aren’t foraging for food. So we assessed how many hours of the day lizards would have been driven out of the sun at these different locations. Then, we were able to parameterize our global model.”

For the authors, who claim a deep appreciation for these lizards and the important role the reptiles play in the global food chain, these findings are both “devastating and heart-wrenching.” But, they say, hope does remain for the world’s lizards.

“If the governments of the world can implement a concerted change to limit our carbon dioxide emissions, then we could bend the curve and hold levels of extinction to the 2050 scenarios,” Sinervo concluded. “But it has to be a global push… I don’t want to tell my child that we once had a chance to save these lizards, but we didn’t. I want to do my best to save them while I can.”

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Bill Illis
May 14, 2010 8:31 am

The online supplement to the paper has most of the detail.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/data/328/5980/894/DC1/1
They are dealing with subspecies within subspecies. The main lizard species they are talking about (Sceloporus or the spiny lizard) is divided into 48 different sub-types. It is the small local subtypes that they are purporting to be going extinct. [I saw another study that quoted numbers at 166 individuals per hectare in one area so these lizards can be very common and they have a very large genetic diversity – it would not be unexpected that one subtype might take over a certain area and researchers could claim extinction of another subtype].
http://www.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=sceloporus&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=GWrtS_SHGoH48AaQq_WjDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CC8QsAQwAw
Summer temperatures in Mexico and the Yucatan are not increasing very much – it would be less than 0.3C over the 30 years of extinctions in question here.

Ted C. MacRae
May 14, 2010 8:45 am

Well, I didn’t call anybody anything but did use the words “denialism” and “dismiss” – which of those is the “D-word”?

LarryOldtimer
May 14, 2010 9:42 am

Peer review is about the worst thing that ever happened to science. It is nothing more or less than “defending the faith”, whatever the “faith” is at the time. Along with any faith comes belief (as opposed to thinking).
How familiar it sounds, modern “science”. Everyone (of the existing faith) saying in unison, “mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa”, with those who protest being excommunicated from the “priesthood” of the consensus science establishment (and being prevented from receiving any government grants).

Dave Dodd
May 14, 2010 10:22 am

“We did a lot of work on the ground to validate the model and show that the extinctions are the result of climate change,”
When one’s only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail!

rogerkni
May 14, 2010 10:36 am

Leapin’ lizards!

Sean Peake
May 14, 2010 10:37 am

So lizards are the new frogs? It’s hard to keep up.

Reed Coray
May 14, 2010 10:52 am

DirkH says:
May 13, 2010 at 5:50 pm
The mass extinction of amphibians a year or two ago was first boasted as an effect of climate change in the media and by researchers – lots of frogs and toads died. It was later found to be caused by a fungus that strangely spread worldwide, and the cause of the spread was later attributed to the researchers themselves, carrying around the spores on their instruments and boots as they frantically visited remote sites to check if the amphibians there were still ok – thus causing the extinctions themselves.

Dirkh, do you have a reference for the above? I’d really like to read it. It seems that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies to biology at a macro level. If so, we can use the precautionary principle to pass laws prohibiting human observation of species lest those observations harm the species.

Anu
May 14, 2010 11:22 am

Ted C. MacRae says:
May 14, 2010 at 8:21 am

You’re allowed to call other people a “pseudoscientific prostitute and an idiot”, but only if they are actual scientists:

Juraj V. says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Sinevo, sir, you are a pseudoscientific prostitute and an idiot.

( He means Sinervo, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of California, Santa Cruz
http://www.ucsc.edu/news_events/press_releases/text.asp?pid=3787
)
“other commenters” on WUWT should be shown respect, though.
Unless they are “Alarmists”.
Those are the Rules – thanks for playing.

May 14, 2010 11:36 am

Anu says [ … ]
Anu should fill out this form and submit it to Anthony. Maybe he will do something to make it all better.

Tamara
May 14, 2010 12:10 pm

Smokey,
That was hilarious. Thank you.

Editor
May 14, 2010 12:40 pm

In the online supplement to the paper, the authors describe how they made their model. Then they “ground-truthed” the model by comparing lizard numbers to actual nearby stations. In Figure S5, they say they show:

Climate change in the Yucatán peninsula at 3 weather stations near our ground-truth sites of the relationship between extinction, Te and hr in activity time for Sceloporus serrifer. These weather stations were also near the sites where we deployed lizard models to estimate Te to ground-truth the relationship between extinction and restriction in activity time.

The three Mexican weather stations that they used to “ground-truth” the relationship were Merida and Valladolid in the Yucatan, and Chetumal in Quintana Roo. They show month by month temperature trends for the three stations.
So how good is their ground-truth temperature data? Well, here’s the GISS data from three ground-truth stations, so you can decide …



Figure W1. Temperature data from 3 Mexican stations. Varying line types (dotted, dashed, solid, etc.) indicate separate records from the same location.
Yeah, those stations could ground-truth the heck out of just about any theory … my personal favorite is Valladolid. I mean, they are claiming that the temperature changes since the 80’s are showing their claims to be true, and there’s so much data from Valladolid since 1980.
Finally, in their supplement they say:

We applied these relationships to the values for local population extinction in 2080 and 2050 to derive the probability of species extinction in 2050 and 2080 for lizard families across the globe (Table 1). We weighted the values of total species extinction by the number of species in each family to derive the estimates of global levels of species extinction of 6% in 2050 and 20% in 2080 described in the paper. Therefore, total species extinctions dramatically jump by 2080 relative to values projected for 2050.

You gotta admire the huevos of these folks, predicting numbers of certain types of lizards in a variety of sites for the years 2050 and 2080 based on shonky Mexican temperature data, extrapolating that to the entire global lizard populations for 2050 and 2080, and then comparing the 2050 and 2080 global lizard predictions as if that were in any sense scientifically valid …
Killer peer-review on that one, Science Magazine.

John T
May 14, 2010 1:03 pm

“The researchers used these findings to develop a model of extinction risk based on maximum air temperatures, the physiologically active body temperature of each species, and the hours in which its activity would be restricted by temperature.”
Did they “model” the other side of the equation? How many extra hours of activity were _added_ because it wasn’t too cold?

DirkH
May 14, 2010 2:54 pm

“Reed Coray says:
[…]
Dirkh, do you have a reference for the above?”
Sorry, no, somebody mentioned it on a thread several months ago… so maybe i’m just spreading an urban legend… but it sounds rather plausible to me. Well, doesn’t any good urban legend 😉

Dr A Burns
May 14, 2010 3:20 pm

>> Gail Combs says:
>> May 13, 2010 at 8:56 pm
>> Funny you should mention Six Sigma, I just slammed it in another post today but
was nice enough not to name it. I am a Quality Engineer/Chemist and I absolutely HATE Six Sigma and the ISO crap that goes with it.
Great to know that I’m not alone in the wildness of Six Sigma stupidity ! It is interesting to see the parallels in the scams of SS and AGW. It amazes me that anyone could invest money in SS if they were able to think logically or simply to able research the origins of the claimed “unavoidable” “long term” (24 hour), 1.5 sigma drift in the process average of “all processes”.
The way concepts such as Six Sigma (or AGW) take hold is exemplified by IBM. After a study, the quality department came to the conclusion that Six Sigma was “thin” and “dubious”, yet “Our position paper was finally regarded as too disruptive to IBM s progress …”.
Politics is much more powerful than science or common sense.

May 14, 2010 4:24 pm

DirkH: May 14, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reed CoraySorry, no, somebody mentioned it on a thread several months ago… so maybe i’m just spreading an urban legend… but it sounds rather plausible to me. Well, doesn’t any good urban legend 😉
I do b’lieve there was a post on WUWT on that very subject some months back.
I got here late, so I can’t hit the archives before the generator goes to sleep for PM and refuel, but it had a pic of a Concerned Wildlife Biologist looking very Intent and Concerned under the header.

Jimbo
May 14, 2010 5:12 pm

Layne Blanchard says:
May 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm
“How to catch a Gecko:
…….. If you leave them inside, they get dessicated and end up shriveled. “

——————————–
I don’t know what kind of Geckos you have but the ones in my house don’t end up dessicated and shriveled because they eat the insects (I live in a tropical climate) in my house which are attracted by the lights. I don’t study Geckos but I have to tell you I have NEVER seen one drinking water. (I repeat I thought maybe some do drink water.)

Jimbo
May 14, 2010 5:26 pm

“In many parts of the world, lizards are almost certainly going extinct due to climate change before their very existence is known to biologists”


This begs the question of how do they know that the lizards they don’t know about can tolerate / adapt to ‘climate change’ i.e. GLOBAL WARMING??? Is this the use of the scientific method at work???
What a CROC!!!

C. Gallagher
May 14, 2010 7:12 pm

npr.org
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126797405
I listened to this crap today, He stated that the temperature increase since the 70’s is 3-4 degrees C.
Absolutely above the predicted rise by global warming. ,,,but maybe not by the bad data from those weather stations.

rogerkni
May 14, 2010 7:16 pm

Bill Tuttle says:
May 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm
DirkH: May 14, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reed CoraySorry, no, somebody mentioned it on a thread several months ago… so maybe i’m just spreading an urban legend… but it sounds rather plausible to me. Well, doesn’t any good urban legend 😉
I do b’lieve there was a post on WUWT on that very subject some months back.
I got here late, so I can’t hit the archives before the generator goes to sleep for PM and refuel, but it had a pic of a Concerned Wildlife Biologist looking very Intent and Concerned under the header.

Here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/06/global-warming-not-blamed-for-toad-extinction/

rogerkni
May 14, 2010 7:19 pm

I think this study, once debunked, will be regularly cited as a high-water-mark, Onion-worthy classic of trend-chasing alarmism.

May 14, 2010 10:07 pm

Polar bears forgot how to swim, so why is it any curiosity that lizards forgot how to have sex?
Personally I await the treatise on the issue by Rajendra Pachauri, who has proven himself to be an expert in the marital and extra-marital arts. A robust bodice-ripper about lizard sex is just what the masses demand, RP.

Jessie
May 14, 2010 11:32 pm

Mike D. says:
May 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Here’s lizards and sex http://www.herpconbio.org/Volume_4/Issue_2/Ramirez_etal_2009.pdf
and disease http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/reprint/27/4/551.pdf
Further comment, thank you Bill Illis for the supplemenatry pdf.
The Yucatan area according to wiki:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Atlantic_Category_Five_hurricanes.png
And other lizard researcher studies
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2001/A/200110135.html and a researcher/lizard expert:-
http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/655.aspx
Times reports the Science Lizard Extinction article
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1989115,00.html
A link in the article (Times Photo Essay – 10 species near extinction) would appear to be suggesting that poaching, villagers protecting crops/livestock and/or the need to feed ones family may be attributable to the 10 nearing extinction-status. Not so clear on the polar bear though.
An extensive database on lizards just discovered for those interested http://www.jcvi.org/reptiles/species.php?genus=Sceloporus&species=serrifer
and has been updated if one follows the links through to home page
http://reptile-database.org/
The reference list of the Science supplement N=387 (t’you Bill Illis) .
Perhaps we are reading an extensive data extraction exercise matched to selected climate points? It is stated they wanted a global validation of the hypothesis by using their choice of families or regional biota and pushing this through the three criteria grinder. (p16)
The supplement also refers to Liopholis kintorei (Table S7D p83-4) in the central desert region of Australia. References provided to the L kintorei surveys (S60:62:63:64) are all government environmental departments. http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/publications/action/
Further to this
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicthreatenedlist.pl?wanted=fauna
where the Great Desert Skink is listed ‘vulnerable’ and one can assist in providing information to the World Wildlife Fund who are funded and fund local peoples under the
http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/publications/desert-skink.html (see contacts and references Email: rangelands@wwf.org.au ).
However the Supplement thanks the Australian Research Council, not WWF.
Recall the Green Jobs Illusion or Why are Politicians so enamoured with Cap n Trade? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/03/spencer-on-waxman-markeys-cap-and-trade/
Since the skink can grow to some 40cm and lives in extensive burrow communities; are the skinks being eaten by local indigenous peoples? Dingos, some feral cats, larger lizards and scrub burning measured in square kilometres may contribute to some of the ?low skink numbers but very little if at all pastoral or mining in much of this region. The human population of the Australian desert area described is very low and child malnutrition exists. Lizards as a source of food could be an explanation in some of the areas surveyed?
Beside grant $ and publishing, the other common variable not included [tested] may well be proximity to UN heritage/ecological listed areas or awaiting potential listing. Or as in previous WUWT link; trade in carbon and/or storage of, illicit drugs, humans, possibly fauna.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/global-warming-the-oxburgh-inquiry-was-an-offer-he-couldnt-refuse/ and again http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/03/spencer-on-waxman-markeys-cap-and-trade/
http://www.huahintoday.net/news/science/rising-global-temperatures-cooking-lots-of-lizards-607.htm

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
May 15, 2010 2:17 am

Excerpt from: Mike D. on May 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm

A robust bodice-ripper about lizard sex is just what the masses demand, RP.

The good old ABC network (USA) has that covered with their remake of V. The “lizard sex” was getting played up on the ads long before the first episode aired.
(General note: If extraterrestrial aliens show up that look exactly like humans, immediately presume deceit and deception.)
I haven’t bothered to watch this new version. Did the aliens promise to fix global warming climate change along with eliminating war and poverty?

Jessie
May 15, 2010 3:05 am

Mike D. says:
May 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Here is a bodice-ripper study on lizard sex, minus their livers:
http://www.herpconbio.org/Volume_4/Issue_2/Ramirez_etal_2009.pdf
and of disease in lizards http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/reprint/27/4/551.pdf
Further comment:-
The Yucatan area according to wiki:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Atlantic_Category_Five_hurricanes.png
And other lizard researcher studies
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2001/A/200110135.html and a researcher/lizard expert:-
http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/655.aspx
Times reports the Science Lizard Extinction article
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1989115,00.html
A link in the article (Times Photo Essay – 10 species near extinction) would appear to be suggesting that poaching, villagers protecting crops/livestock and/or the need to feed ones family may be attributable to the 10 nearing extinction-status. Not so clear on the polar bear though.
An extensive database on lizards just discovered for those interested http://www.jcvi.org/reptiles/species.php?genus=Sceloporus&species=serrifer
and has been updated if one follows the links through to home page
http://reptile-database.org/ and this chap has a blog of Mexican lizards
http://www.backyardnature.net/n/lizards.htm
The references listed in the Science supplement N=387 (t’you Bill Illis) .
Perhaps we are reading an extensive data extraction exercise matched to selected climate points? It is stated they wanted a global validation of the hypothesis by using their choice of families or regional biota and pushing this through the three criteria grinder. (p16)
The supplement also refers to Liopholis kintorei (Table S7D p83-4) in the central desert region of Australia. References provided to the L kintorei surveys (S60:62:63:64) are all government environmental departments. http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/publications/action/
Further to this
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicthreatenedlist.pl?wanted=fauna
where the Great Desert Skink is listed ‘vulnerable’ and one can assist in providing information to the World Wildlife Fund who are funded and fund local peoples under the
http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/publications/desert-skink.html (see contacts and references Email: rangelands@wwf.org.au ).
However the Supplement thanks the Australian Research Council, not WWF.
Recall the Green Jobs Illusion or Why are Politicians so enamoured with Cap n Trade? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/03/spencer-on-waxman-markeys-cap-and-trade/
Since the skink can grow to some 40cm and lives in extensive burrow communities; are the skinks being eaten by local indigenous peoples? Dingos, some feral cats, larger lizards and scrub burning measured in square kilometres may contribute to some of the ?low skink numbers but very little if at all pastoral or mining in much of this region. The human population of the Australian desert area described is very low and child malnutrition exists. Lizards (particularly fatty tails) as a source of food could be an explanation in some of the areas surveyed?
Beside grant $ and publishing, the other common variable not included [tested] may well be proximity to UN heritage/ecological listed areas or awaiting potential listing. Or as in previous WUWT link; trade in carbon and/or storage of, illicit drugs, humans, possibly fauna.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/global-warming-the-oxburgh-inquiry-was-an-offer-he-couldnt-refuse/ and again http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/03/spencer-on-waxman-markeys-cap-and-trade/
A new dish, what with culinary tourism of anthropods of Asia being a media hit:-
http://www.huahintoday.net/news/science/rising-global-temperatures-cooking-lots-of-lizards-607.htm

May 18, 2010 11:48 am

I just wanted to humbly throw a little bit into this with my experience from the Pacific Northwest and dealing with Mt. St. Helens.
First of all I am not a scientist. I however have done a lot of reading and researching on these subjects since I was about 13. I am now 50 so I have been doing a lot of research and reading.
I accidentally wound up on http://www.skepticalscience.com I learned you really have to read the fine print on the web because they aren’t skeptics, they’re skeptics of us who are skeptical.
John the moderator is an ok sort for a warmist but his followers are faithful and zealots to the core and are excellent slingers of the ad hominym and red herring. (So good with the herring in fact they should work for Pike Place Market fish store)
here is a copy of some of their comments and mine on the new article about the lizards disapearing. I’m also left wondering if these “scientists” are related to the ones who are blaming global warming on a transexual lizard?
51. skepticstudent at 03:04 AM on 19 May, 2010
I can’t see the whole article so I don’t know so i’m asking.
Why would lizards suddenly start dying in Mexico and no where else in the world? Lizards survived 10 million years of heat warmer than what is currently anywhere in the world.
Did they do any studies on the habitat itself or on the food sources in the area…
Also I find it interesting that despite their claims of temperatures being higher in the areas, the last few years have seen an incline in the Monarch Butterfly and the larvae only successfully grow to the butterfly stage in cooler temperatures.
I’m not just sayin… just sayin ya know?
51. Ned at 03:32 AM on 19 May, 2010
skepticstudent writes: Why would lizards suddenly start dying in Mexico and no where else in the world?
They did a study of lizard populations in Mexico, and derived a model that can be used to predict lizard population dynamics in general.
Then, they tested this model by comparing its predictions to field studies from all over the world:
“The global generality of our model is verified by concordant distributions of current observed and predicted local extinctions of lizard biotas from four other continents (table S7). Our model pinpoints exact locations of two Liolaemid species going extinct in South America (Liolaemus lutzae, Phymaturus tenebrosus: {chi}2 = 32.1, P < 0.0001). In addition, the model predicts recent (2009) extinctions among 24 resurveyed populations of L. lutzae ({chi}2 = 8.8, P = 0.003). In Europe, our resurvey of Lacerta vivipara revealed 14 extinct sites out of 46 (30%), which are predicted quite precisely by the model ({chi}2 = 24.4, P < 0.001). In Australia, the model pinpoints 2009 extinctions of Liopholis slateri ({chi}2 = 17.8, P < 0.00001) and 2009 extinctions of Liopholis kintorei ({chi}2 = 3.93, P = 0.047). In Africa, analysis of Gerrhosauridae and Cordylidae at 165 sites predicts <1% extinctions, and yet the model pinpoints the single extinction reported by 2009 (exact P-value = 0.006). We temper this value with extinction projections of 23% for 2009 at Malagasy Gerrhosauridae sites, which is validated by the observed 21% levels of local extinction across several lizard families in Madagascar nature reserves (23)."
Tables S7A, B, C, and D in the Supplementary Online Material provide all the details about these surveys. It looks like a pretty massive effort.
Ned, I can make a climate or any kind of model do what I want it to do.
I want to know if they studied the habitat. Did they study the food of the lizards. Did they study if anything has changed other than weather or are they strictly using weather models? Like I mentioned earlier there have been larger than normal monarch butterfly escape into North America. The monarch butterfly only has large escapes during years where winter and spring weather is cooler than normal. So one tends to wonder about their comments about warmer climes wiping out a species locally or otherwise.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011876112_volcano16m.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/flatpages/video/mediacenterbc3.html?bctid=85750359001
Are two newspaper article videos of species that have made fantastic comeback/adaptation to their surroundings despite massive changes in their surroundings.
Now before any of you try to make the assertion that this doesn’t equate to Mexico think for a second. Suddenly a massive volcano blows up wiping out trees for hundreds of square miles. Clogging rivers with ash, trees, choking them with ash, and acid and other poisons.
Mt St Helens did to the Tuttle valley what evolutionary scientist said took 10 billion years, in 3 days.
There were trout and salmon back in the rivers and lakes in less than 3 years. There were birds, lizards, salamanders. Trees were gone, thus the ground temperatures were far far warmer than they had ever been before. I was up at Mt St Helens a short time after the blast. It was like a Nuclear bomb, no roughly about 380 Nagasaki bombs went off.
To try and tell me that lizards are dying because of supposed recent changes in temperatures over a 20 + year period because they can’t “evolve” fast enough is nonsense. Animals adapt to living conditions quickly every day all over the world.
I think this is a very very poor representation for the climate warming side.
I have to make another comment here.
I don't believe a drop of Darwin's theory of evolution, however I find this article even more rediculous to read that they are whining about lack of time to evolve because of man's involvement in global temperature increases.
1. If this is the case it pretty much flies in the face of evolution itself, and denies evolution,because if it really was the evolving species of the fittest these animals would have evolved millions of years ago to adapt to warmer temperature climes. What wiped out the dinosaurs? It wasn't man kinds contribution of a paultry few hundred co2 ppm.
Lizards have been around for a long time. Temperatures have been much hotter than now for longer periods than 30 years. If evolution was real vs. Macro evolution or adaptation why haven't these lizards adapted before now?
This article is not one of the best for the side of global warming.
2. If one is supposed to believe in evolution then all animal loving aside, let the stupid lizards die because they obviously aren't superior according to Darwin the father of evolution. Let them die and make way for the superior lizard that can make it's own margarita and cool itself down.