Steve Milloy’s Green Hell blog has the scoop. A poll follows.
Leak of the day! Kerry-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill
Most of the world will learn tomorrow about the Kerry-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill.
But you can check out the bill summary and section-by-section analysis today!
Like all these recent bills this one will promise everything to everyone and then do the complete opposite while slandering those who point out the hypocrisy.
I’ve got some used crankcase oil stored in coffee cans around here. Tomorrow I’m going to douse some household trash and used tires with the oil and torch it off…in AlGore’s honor.
Carbon is not a greenhouse gas. It’s not even a gas.
I am already done with my lifelong relationship with Democrats. If Republicans and their constituents don’t step up to the plate and fight this tooth and toenail, my vote will flee from them as well. I ended my lifelong registration as a Democrat. I did something. Let’s hope more people will take action.
Hmm. I did think you would probably arrive where you are now. And there are a lot more sitting here than there were three years ago. IMHO the GOP contains the last vestiges of genuine liberalism. And a lot of other things as well. But the Dems have foresworn liberalism and fallen off the left edge off the table entirely. Even the blue dogs have gone yellow (and therefore turned green).
The bill claims one of it’s goals is to decrease our dependence on foreign oil. Really? Let’s see, electricity is generated by coal 1st, then natural gas,….oh wait, way down there at the bottom of the list is a small fraction of electricity generated by diesel. I’m sure if we shrink that further we will really cut back on our oil independence big time!
John from CA says:
May 11, 2010 at 4:50 pm
‘But, if industry wants to pay my taxes instead of upgrading their systems which they already get to depreciate over 5 years, I don’t think I’d object.’
Just where do you think industry get it money to pay taxes? Do you think that they have free money growing on money trees? They get their money from you and I when we put on our consumer hats.
Any tax credit can and has gone by – by in a heart beat at the whim of lawmakers. Don’t give them the power in the first place.
A choice not found in the poll:
“It doesn’t matter what happens with Kerry-Lieberman. Obama is going to accomplish his ‘green/environmental’ goals anyway through the EPA, including having energy bills “necessarily skyrocket”.”
p.s., has anyone ever wondered how many elderly on fixed incomes we are going to find in the winter dead in their houses from hypothermia because they couldn’t afford their “necessarily skyrocket”-ed electric bill?
evanmjones says:
May 11, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I am already done with my lifelong relationship with Democrats. If Republicans and their constituents don’t step up to the plate and fight this tooth and toenail, my vote will flee from them as well….
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It is a really tough call. If you vote independent you may guarantee a democrat gets into office. Unfortunately the republicans are owned by the power behind the throne too. I normally vote who ever is in office out unless I really like him. This replaces the full grown hog with a little piglet at the public trough in hope he will do less damage.
REPLY – That was Pamela, actually, not me. I was just answering it. I’ve been a liberal republican for quite a number of years. ~ Evan
All it will take is one vote from the R’s to end debate. Once that is done, CapnTrade V2.0 becomes a reality and the crack of new taxes will disappear into behemoth that is gov’t, just making it more insatiable and needing another fix.
With deficits running at $1.4 trillion, all revenue generated will go to deficit reduction and none will be left over for anything else. And they won’t elminate the deficit either.
This makes me happier than sticking my hand in the garbage disposal … with the motor running!
Not sure if anybody likes Glenn Beck but he covers this in a video here..
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d27-Scandal-Obama-Gore-Goldman-Joyce-Foundation-CCX-partners-to-fleece-USA
Amazing how many of the same people are at the bases of these bills or orgs that are pushing the progressive eugenics agenda. Look at CFR, Trilateral commission, Bilderberg. How many of the same people are intertwined and add the Federal Reserve bankster crooks…..What we are bearing witness to is the creation of the modern day slave trade.
I am sure some will say “conspiracy” but the info is out there you just have to look and keep an open mind.
As to Ms. Gray leaving the Dems…..I hate to say it but don’t put your heart into the Repubs either. I had to leave them for the same reasons…..This 2 headed snake we call the political parties are really the embodiment of the same thing and don’t in the end benefit the people.
What we need is more public servants and less politicians……
“Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
p.s., has anyone ever wondered how many elderly on fixed incomes we are going to find in the winter dead in their houses from hypothermia because they couldn’t afford their “necessarily skyrocket”-ed electric bill?”
That’s an essential cost cutting measure in Obamacare!
Bulldust says:
May 11, 2010 at 5:22 pm
John Galt says @ur momisugly May 11, 2010 at 2:35 pm:
Is it OK if we call it communism instead?
Well, yes, if you want to call it that instead of Marxism. I don’t see Dr. Zhivago happening yet though.
“The personal life is dead.”
Oxygen is next on the hit list. If they can control & tax gases needed by green plants it’s only a matter of time before they come up with an excuse to tax the gas neede by animals.
We are all consistently underestimating the ruthlessness, cleverness and determination of this administration to completely transform America. Hope for the best at your own risk.
David Segesta says:
May 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm
With deficits running at $1.4 trillion
You can add $171 billion to that. That is the U.S. portion of the $1 trillion for Greece.
And oh, and BTW, if anyone (though I don’t think there is anyone in that case) was feeling good about the reported economic growth of the last 1/4 please think again. Debt in America grew faster than that growth. Some day the piper is going to come calling.
Peter Schiff gives a few details on that good news:
Robert of Ottawa says:
May 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm
…I could go on and on and o0n and on. I trust in the American tradition of chasing snake-oil men out of town.
I was think of an even better old American tradition – Tar and feathers – it is so much more appropriate.
Let’s all hope and pray that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen. Every bill congress has passed since January 2009 is rendered null and void if it wasn’t signed into law by a legitmate chief executive.
I doubt that this will endear to me anyone here. You can call me a “snip”, a climate “snip”, and an old earth “snip”. Can I possibly get anymore politically incorrect?
[Being politically incorrect is fine. But some topics are against site policy. ~dbs, mod.]
Cap & Trade scam based on scam!
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/05/cap-and-trade-scam-based-on-scam.html
As Churchill once said, “Embalm, cremate and bury. Take no chances.”
Joe Romm says millions of green jobs. He is a liar. For all the billions of taxes, the layoffs are cost cutting ways to choke jobs. Spain is an example ofclaiming green jobs. For every green job, they lost 4 ordinary jobs. The other part of the lie is making farmers money. Coward democrats in farm states think they can fool farmers. A farmer knows he will get the shaft on fuel and fertilizer price increases. After the handlers get their fingers on the carbon credits, none will go to the farm. Farmers will be ripped off by more expensive trucks and farm vehuicles. Fuel for irrigation pumps sure will excalate. Coal miners will get fired.
As a genuine economist, i guarantee this bill will cost many more jobs than it produces. Notice the caulker boondoggle. It was a farce. 7 billion for rail? That will not result in50 miles of new passenger railroad tracks. Only if states are mandated to add another 50 billion to the ral dollars will we see expanded rail. Honest people know the states do not have 50 billion to spend on rail.
It is time to take Jefferson’s words literally.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Me, former member of Serria Club, Greenpeace, Union of Concered Scienist, Wilderness Society, up until about 1985 when the Earth First ones came.
They threw me out of a meeting in Washington State when I called them terrorist for what they wanted to do the logger’s, logging truck drivers, and the people who worked in the saw mills. They told me not to ever come back or they would, deal with me.
Did that. They are a clear and present danger to U.S. all.
It seemed like there were 12 “pre-approved” nuclear plants being “insured”. Did I read that right? Wonder who the principles in the pre-approved ones are and how they got picked.
But all you Americans are, I think, over reacting. The bill isn’t so bad looking at it from up here in Canada. We have a very long undefended border, lots of space, lots of oil. I say bring your families, bring your SUV’s, we’ll welcome you with open arms. I did mention that you have to come in large groups and bring your factories with you, didn’t I?
Why can’t the government just print up 50 or so billion dollars and give it to researchers, academics, and businesses for development of new energy sources?
This reminds me of the border issue. The border should have been sealed right after 911, instead, the politicians have tied amnesty to a bill that tightens the border.