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Leak of the day! Kerry-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill
Most of the world will learn tomorrow about the Kerry-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill.
But you can check out the bill summary and section-by-section analysis today!
I noticed that there’s some mention of international in the bill. I bet it has provisions for international transfers of wealth from us to other countries in order to buy the right to emit plant and tree food.
This has been a goal of leftists for decades, a way to get dedicated transfers of wealth from the ‘North.’
Just trying to subscribe to the blog without endless notifications about new comments on the blog 🙂
Did anybody catch the part where it establishes a new revenue stream for farmers? This I believe means they will pay farmers to plant trees on their farm land and use the trees as plant and tree food sinks.
This will accomplish at least two things desirable to the left: It will ncrease the price of food (we’ll have less money for consumption which is what they want to stop) and it’ll also force us to buy more foreign grown food.
LOL, Evan. “I’ve been a liberal republican for quite a number of years. ~ Evan”
Me too, that’s why I am a conservative Republican. I am a very conservative Republican BECAUSE I support individual rights over government rights. I want to conserve indivual rights and freedoms. This is where the labels of conservative and liberal have been turned on their heads. Conservatives are far more liberal than the illnamed liberals, who regularly use big government to enforce their values and lifestyles on to their fellow citizens.
CO2? Climate? Les’see.
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
Back in April 2007 to Apil 2008 when the Global economy was pretty good, and we were just “Spewin” that eevil See Oh Two into the atmosphere CO2 increased by 0.82ppm.
In the recessionary period of April 2009 to April 2010 when the U.S. actually cut emissions quite a bit CO2 increased in the atmosphere by 2.93 ppm.
Hmm, you don’t s’pose temperature might have been leading CO2, do you?
Oh well, I give in – send on the comments but I’d be grateful to activare the subscription 🙂
geo says:
May 11, 2010 at 2:27 pm
I don’t suppose this will make me very popular with many of the regulars around here, but I find this bill to be a reasonable compromise at this point in history. Much of what it does works just as well as an energy independence plan, nuclear wakes up from its long slumber, nat gas gets some loving, etc.
Camel’s nose under the tent….
Still trying to activate a subsciption to the blog
Treasury Dept; M. President, we regret to inform you that the country has gone bankrupt.
President; Dang. Was hoping that wouldn’t happen. Only needed a few more trillion to spend my way out of this recession. OK, so we’re bankrupt. Who owns the paper?
Treasury Dept; Uhm… mostly China.
President; Well what do they want? Can we mortgage something? How about California? They have to take Schwartzenneger with it though.
Treasury Dept; We already mortgaged California. All the other states too. They said they want to take title to a state or two….
President; Fine. They can have California.
Treasury Dept; Uhm… they don’t want California. They asked for Alaska. They said something about Guam, but then they changed their mind, something about it being too tippy.
President; Alaska? ALASKA!? Why would they want Alaska?
Treasury Dept; Oil… all that oil you wouldn’t let us drill for is still there….and they want half of Texas too…
President; Oil? They want oil? Would they take Canada instead?
Treasury Dept; Uhm… we don’t own Canada.
President; Does China know that?
Treasury Dept; I think so…
President; Well offer them Canada and see what they say. Tell them we’ll throw in Guam, and the tippy thing is just a myth. If they won’t take Canada I guess we might have to cut a deal for Alaska. Are the values of the states marked on the backs of the map pieces here? What do I do, just turn them over and look at the numbers?
Treasury Dept; This isn’t monopoly…
President; Canada. Final offer. Canada or nothing. We still got nukes you know.
Treasury Dept; Actually, we took a loan out on those too. They’re being held as collatoral in Iran. Part of them agreeing not to enrich Uranium anymore, remember that deal?
President; $^&W#R*U!! I should never have taken this job. I must have “inhaled” the day I decided to run for this office. Should have known I couldn’t clean up Obama’s mess in four years. Should never have run against him in the primaries. Shouldn’t have picked my stupid husband for treasury either.
Treasury Dept; I tried to tell you…
President; Shut up Bill.
Treasury Dept; Yes Hillary.
Was that Al Gore I just saw puting in an order for a new A380 Airbus.
Joe Lieberman’s striking resemblance to Howdy Doody is more than ironic.
How can anyone not understand that the bottom line is that the consumers of just about everything get shafted in this deal? It constitutes a tax on every product, commodity and service with a promise that government will give SOME of that tax back to the consumer. The government will decide how that tax money is spent while using the “rebate” as a mechanism for “income redistribution”. The whole thing is a socialist’s wet dream come true. When will folks learn that ALL business and energy taxes are eventually passed on to the consuming public in the form of higher prices.
“Our approach sets an achievable national pollution reduction target and refunds the money raised right back to American consumers and American businesses. This is not at plan that enriches Wall Street speculators. And this is certainly not a plan to grow the government.”
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Right! – pull the other one!
Claude Harvey says:
May 11, 2010 at 11:58 pm
‘How can anyone not understand that the bottom line is that the consumers of just about everything get shafted in this deal? ‘
The CEO of AEP said on CNBC that Co2 Cap and Trade alone will increase cost per KW hr from $.04 to $.07. I know that doesn’t sound like much until you convert it to your electric bill.
This Bill will not make us less dependent on foreign oil, but will make us more dependent on foreign Carbon Credits. How stupid is that? Talk about funding terrorist with oil money. We will be handing them a new revenue stream.
I jumped on Wikipedia and read the article, but it was a lot like walking through pudding: slow going and afterward I felt kinda dirty.
jorgekafkazar: May 11, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Take away the treasonous, slime-covered, Socialist crap, and it’s not too bad.
Because there wouldn’t be anything left.
@davidmhoffer: May 11, 2010 at 9:50 pm
I don’t care who you are, *that* was funny!
And the Health Care Bill was dead at several times during it’s tortured path through Congress. It’s May with a long way to January and a new Congress. Have you all forgotten how many articles there were about not being able to pass health care via recon and then the ones about not being able to pass the “fix” via recon?
First, it’s a tax bill.
Second, it’s a deficit/debt reduction bill.
Thirdly, after giving illegals the vote, it will be all about increasing revenue to defeat the deficit and debt (just in case you missed the VAT drumbeat, etc.).
Before November there are a few GOP Senators which are toast either via retirement or ouster in primaries. We have Bennett, LeMieux, Brownback, Bunning, Bond, Gregg and Voinovich free to vote without facing the voters again. Bunning would never, ever but some of the others like Gregg and Voinovich could. That would give the TARP author and Cleveland mayor to go with the Dems. Then there’s the evil twins from Maine. Even McCain, if Hayworth wins the AZ primary, could easily do what is becoming his Maverick Flop-Flip-Flop and “become historic” once again. So they may not even need Graham to break a filibuster. And don’t forget, these nearly senile Senators have a hard time balancing the nations check book.
Things will become really dangerous after November. A point of order or just anything the Dems care to do in the Senate can force things through with a simple majority vote. It’s clear, imho, that the Dems will lose their almost super majority but will likely retain 50 plus Biden. Eliminating the filibuster until Jan 2013 might be ok with them. The thinking would be so what if they lose the House, they’ll just force everything through “negotiation” where they always advance their agenda. Why not roll the dice?
Then, there’s that recon thing again. Go review Obamacare. And other deviant things they’re most assuredly examining and preparing talking points on.
The Dems, until January and a new Congress, are like vampires but without any silver bullets, garlic or wooden stakes. Oh, and they work mostly at night, behind closed doors and in the upmost secrecy.
davidmhoffer says:
May 11, 2010 at 8:31 pm
But all you Americans are, I think, over reacting. The bill isn’t so bad looking at it from up here in Canada. We have a very long undefended border, lots of space, lots of oil. I say bring your families, bring your SUV’s, we’ll welcome you with open arms. I did mention that you have to come in large groups and bring your factories with you, didn’t I?
Ha-ha. I don’t think we’re at that point just yet, but thanks for the offer. We’ll keep it in mind.
perhaps the solution to the real problem of incompetent bloated gov. is to wall off DC and turn it into a multiplayer video game totally isolated from the real world.
The bill inflicts import tariffs on goods from countries ‘not in compliance’ , YEAH right.
That is another lie. The USA no longer has the “RIGHT” to inflicts import tariffs on goods. Obama’s fellow democrat Mr. Clinton, gave that US “RIGHT” away in 1995. Even the FDA will tell you that.
From the FDA web site: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/int-laws.html
International Harmonization
“The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.“
“…Under the secretive WTO rules, countries can challenge another’s laws for restricting their trade. The case is then heard by a tribunal or court of three trade bureaucrats. They are usually influential corporate lawyers.
The lawyers have no conflict of interest rules binding them, such that a Monsanto lawyer can rule on a case of material interest to Monsanto. Incredibly, the names of the judges are kept secret! Further, there is no rule that the judges of WTO respect any national laws of any country. The three judges meet in secret without revealing the time or location. All court documents are confidential and cannot be published….”
http://www.publiceyeonscience.ch/images/the_wto_and_the_politics_of_gmo.doc
An example of WTO in action can be seen at:
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/html/114679.htm
http://worldtradelaw.typepad.com/ielpblog/2009/07/the-wto-gmo-dispute-is-13-over.html
and Monsanto’s side of the story:
http://cti.itc.virginia.edu/~meg3c/200R/Private/Monsanto-Europe.doc_4.doc
If Monsanto gets to use the WTO to push its products in the EU and around the world, do you think China and especially India will not strike back at the USA in the same manner?
Here is why India would not allow “import tariffs on goods from India’” whether the pass a cap and trade law or not. http://www.nwrage.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1423
This in a nut shell is why an international agreement is so important. Thanks to the WTO import tariffs can no longer be used in economic wars against other countries. The USA is ‘hoist with our own petard’.
kramer says:
May 11, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Why can’t the government just print up 50 or so billion dollars and give it to researchers, academics, and businesses for development of new energy sources?
This reminds me of the border issue. The border should have been sealed right after 911, instead, the politicians have tied amnesty to a bill that tightens the border.
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The Bill is not needed. The bill to tighten the border was already passed. On Oct 27, 2006 Bush Signed the Bill Authorizing the construction of a fence along 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. But Janet Napolitano opposed a physical fence and advocated a virtual border fence. She has now halted funding to the virtual border fence and the Federal project has been pretty much gutted. American citizens in the border states are therefore building the fence themselves and organizing militias to patrol it! http://www.borderfenceproject.com/
I rather have a fence built by private citizens than through ANOTHER law that will be ignored just like the last one was. Seems the states are finally waking up and starting to do their jobs too. http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/category/state-sovereignty-movement/
davidmhoffer says:
May 11, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Treasury Dept; M. President, we regret to inform you that the country has gone bankrupt.
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ROTFLMAO, now I have to clean the tea off my screen. Thank you David, I think we all needed that laugh, but unfortunately it is too close to the truth.
davidmhoffer says:
May 11, 2010 at 8:31 pm
“….. I say bring your families, bring your SUV’s, we’ll welcome you with open arms. I did mention that you have to come in large groups and bring your factories with you, didn’t I?”
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Does a flock of sheep, a spinning wheel and looms count as a factory? If so hold a place for me…
Gail Combs;
Does a flock of sheep, a spinning wheel and looms count as a factory? If so hold a place for me…>>
So Gail Combs is a pseudonym for Little Bo Peep? Oh, wait, spinning wheel, that’s Sleeping Beauty? I think Bo Peep gets in, obvious work ethic, concern for flock despite documented incidents of inattention to location but with a commitent to improve performance, over all contributor to the economy. I think Sleeping Beauty is out though. Never saw any actual production from the spinning wheel and when faced with real adversity just went to bed and waited from someone else to fix the problem, not the sort we want. So you’ll have to reveal your True Identity and we’ll decide then.
Gail Combs;
ROTFLMAO, now I have to clean the tea off my screen. Thank you David, I think we all needed that laugh, but unfortunately it is too close to the truth.>>
Sorry about your screen, glad you had a laugh.
Oddly enough, as I watch global events, I recall my high school social studies teacher (we’re talking several decades ago) saying that democracies tend to slide incrementally left over time until some crisis snaps them suddenly to the right. The longer the time of peace and plenty, the further the slide and the larger the crisis needed to snap them back to the right. I can’t help but notice that he seems to be correct.
New Zealand had a massive subsidy system to invest in their agriculture system that drove them so close to bankruptcy that they had to draw down the overdraft protection on all their embassy bank accounts around the world. They killed the subsidies, left of centre parties did a lot of the cutting, and today they have one of the most competitive agriculture systems in the world. Israel was on the edge of bankruptcy in 1985 and had to impose serious taxes and cost cutting, today one of the real bright spots in the global economy. Both left and right parties in Greece have known for years that they were living beyond their means, but it took the current crisis to actually make them do something about it. Britain, Canada, France… a lot of countries have lurched to the right (OK centre) the last few years while the US has continued to slide to the left and seem to be in that extreme zone where facts no longer matter, ideology does. (That’s not a criticism of the left BTW, the same applies when the right goes too far right) Hopefully it won’t take a full blown crisis to snap the Democrats and Republicans both back to reality.
There was a rumour that Germany was lurching right as well, but it turned out not to be true. France out of a sense of urgency, facts unknown, and stakes high, surrendered just in case.