Climate idiocy at the Monterey Bay Aquarium – cow with a gas mask

First let me say I’ve been there many times with my wife and children. When we go, we marvel at the sea otters, jellyfish, and the Mola they had for awhile. When we go to an aquarium, I don’t expect to be seeing land mammals with gas masks on them used as climate propaganda, I expect to see fish, invertebrates, and marine mammals.

Here is the exhibit before they removed the gas mask

And here it is after:

A young aquarium visitor touches a life-size cow at the Monterey Bay Aquarium's "Hot Pink Flamingos: Stories of Hope in a Changing Sea" exhibit on Thursday. The cow had been wearing a gas mask, which was removed earlier Thursday. (ORVILLE MYERS/The Monterey County Herald)

We don’t go there to see cows with political statements. In fact, we won’t be going ever again.  Monterey Bay Aquarium used to be a place to enjoy. Now it’s just another political hack.

Fortunately, there’s a Facebook group that got together and put enough pressure on the Aquarium to make them realize just how stupid their cow with a gas mask idea was. The gas mask is gone, but the exhibit remains.

Here’s the “apology” letter from MBA to one of the Facebook group members:

Dear Bridget,

The Monterey Bay Aquarium opened its “Hot Pink Flamingos” exhibit to share stories of the threats facing ocean wildlife – and human society – because of global climate change caused by carbon pollution from human activities.By combining live animal exhibits with stories of individuals and communities taking action to reduce carbon pollution, we’re highlighting a hopeful path forward. Most of our visitors are responding positively to that message.

Unfortunately, one element of the exhibit – a cow wearing a stylized gas mask – has become an unintended source of distress for families involved in the dairy industry. The cow has become not (as we hoped) a creative way to engage visitors in the topic of alternative-energy solutions but an upsetting and negative image about dairy farming.

For some, the mask has been a distraction from the important messages that are central to the exhibit: Carbon pollution from human activities is having dramatic and harmful effects on the oceans; and people around the world are making small individual changes, and larger changes in their communities, to cut our carbon pollution and avert a climate crisis.

We can tell those stories just as effectively without putting a gas mask on a cow. Offending dairy farmers was never our intent and we regret the distress the mask has caused. We’ve removed the mask, and are modifying nearby exhibit graphics so they specifically tell an alternative energy story. Many other engaging elements of Hot Pink Flamingos encourage visitors to think about – and talk about – the many things they can do to make a difference.

Monterey Bay Aquarium

886 Cannery Row

Monterey, CA 93940

www.montereybayaquarium.org

Here’s a couple of news stories:

KION-TV:  Cow on Display at Aquarium Causes Beef With Farmers

The Monterey County Herald: Farmers have beef with Monterey aquarium’s cow

The online exhibit at MBA used to take comments, they are now closed. Gosh, ya think maybe they just got overwhelmed with negative feedback? This comment by Jim Peters pretty well summed up the stupidity of MBA’s cow exhibit:

You lost your credibility over junk science. No people = no need for cows, no people = less carbon footprint,why not just put a giant condom on the roof?

Before man huge herds of Buffalo grazed all over the plains.

Save the earth- do not emit hydro carbons traveling to the Montery Bay Aquarium in your car! Stay home!

And finally, the science of methane emissions as it pertains to bovines portrayed at MBA is a joke. A gas mask won’t do anything to stop emissions from either head or tailpipe, and will kill the cow eventually. Morons.

The MBA has a poll on their online exhibit page about climate change:

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109 thoughts on “Climate idiocy at the Monterey Bay Aquarium – cow with a gas mask

  1. This post struck a nerve, as I felt the same when I visited the new California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco some time ago. The general open layout and amount of space used for political driven nonsense about Global Warming distracted from what used to be a wonderful and intimate learning experience at the old Academy. I will never go back.

  2. Before European settlers came to the Americas, we had tens of millions of bison, who are every bit as fartacious as domestic cattle. I don’t know how many cattle we have now, but if the two bio-masses are the same, then our beef industry may be very close ‘carbon-neutrality’. But let’s not tell the Greens. I want each Green to feel a little guilty every time he slips away from his vegan buddies to surreptitiously wolf down a Big Mac.

  3. “Climate idiocy at the Monterey Bay Aquarium – cow with a gas mask
    What’s that admonition given to musicians, singers, (entertainers, presenters, exhibitors in general by extrapolation) : “Shut up and sing” and we will do our own thinking …
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  4. “…..We can tell those stories just as effectively without putting a gas mask on a cow. Offending dairy farmers was never our intent and we regret the distress the mask has caused…..”
    No Offending dairy farmers was never their intent just driving them out of business and taking away not only their jobs but the family identity. I know American farmers who have been farming the same land for over three hundred years. I am sure that in Europe the time frame is much longer for some families.
    Also they seem to forget the cows replaced the bison on the American plains so just because cows are “owned” by mankind does not mean a cow like creature is not natural to that landscape, more natural than their “politically correct” museum is and that is for certain.
    Pot meet kettle.

  5. My family visited there 3 weeks ago…the exhibit is clumped with a new flamingo exhibit. My wife went to school in Monterrey and said this is typical of the aquarium…always some type of propaganda from them.
    Other than that, the weather was great, sunny and warm each day we were there, that area is constantly overcast

  6. I’m betting they’d agree with this corollary: “What the world needs now is less CO2–and that means fewer people”.
    Their message is clear but thinking people are not fooled. The designation of CO2 as a pollutant has got to be the most illogical idea on planet earth. And the idea that methane is that big of a threat isn’t far behind.

  7. This story puts me at a loss for intelligent and printable words. I hope you all noticed the Google advert, just below the story. Anyway I have a short narrative to share. I think it sums up the situation.
    Two young men, climbed two fences one evening and attempted to pet a Tiger. One was seriously injured. This is not an urban myth, it took place in Calgary in 2009 and is well documented. We are talking substantial fences here. These men lived in Calgary and had visited the Zoo during operating hours. They knew just what they were doing, this was no accident. On a personal level the precautionary principle only works if it is applied by the actor.
    The Zoo came under immediate criticism for not having better fences. This criticism came from propagandists that have other agendas. I visited the zoo to make sure my recollection of the physical setting was correct. The facts clearly show the zoo applied the precautionary principle in its design and maintenance of its facilities. To take further precautionary measures in this instance serves no real purpose but the suggestion that they may be or should have been taken, brings into focus philosophical questions relating to how free will choice and the responsibility of society come into conflict and compatibility. How much precaution is enough, where is the balance? I may have some responsibility to protect my brother but at what point does my brother need to do his own thinking? Can we even establish an objective definition of reasonable?
    To finish this little narrative: The next day, in the hands of media, this story became a topic of conversation in the city. One radio station I was listening to, asked listeners to phone in and leave their comments about it. As I recall none were sympathetic to the young men. This was obviously not a situation of something going wrong. It was a situation of “what were you thinking?” I submit it was a situation of not thinking. The only comment to stick in my mind was one of the harsher ones. “Too many idiots, too few tigers.”

  8. Here’s the EPA’s wording on the topic:
    Livestock enteric fermentation.
    Among domesticated livestock, ruminant animals (cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats, and camels) produce significant amounts of methane as part of their normal digestive processes. In the rumen, or large fore-stomach, of these animals, microbial fermentation converts feed into products that can be digested and utilized by the animal.
    This microbial fermentation process, referred to as enteric fermentation, produces methane as a by-product, which can be exhaled by the animal. Methane is also produced in smaller quantities by the digestive processes of other animals, including humans, but emissions from these sources are insignificant. The U.S. inventory report provides a detailed description on methane emissions from livestock enteric fermentation and how they are estimated (see the Chapter entitled “Agriculture”).
    —-
    Sadly, the EPA completely left out the number one anthropogenic source of methane as identified by the UNFCCC, namely methane flux from rice-paddy agriculture in Asia. Good luck controlling THAT source!
    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
    http://epa.gov/methane/sources.html

  9. There was a typo in Monterey Bay Aquarium apology:

    The Monterey Bay Aquarium opened its “Hot Pink Flamingos” exhibit to share scare stories of the threats facing ocean wildlife.

    I believe this correction will help clear up their motivations for having a cow with a gas mask.

  10. The Aquarium in New Orleans has parts of a drilling rig. Offshore a lot of fish are around the underwater structures of oil rigs and the fishing is actually better that fishing from boats. The pipes and structures are very real.
    Some of the aquariums have much more political and greenie dogma written into their small story cards than others. Seward alaska has a great one and struggles because the town is small and Anchorage is far away.

  11. From the letter above:

    For some, the mask has been a distraction from the important messages that are central to the exhibit: Carbon pollution from human activities is having dramatic and harmful effects on the oceans; and people around the world are making small individual changes, and larger changes in their communities, to cut our carbon pollution and avert a climate crisis.

    Monterey should be ashamed. If they don’t know that they mean CO2 which is not pollution and say carbon instead, they have flunked the 5th grader science.
    I am getting accustomed to certain expressions that are very common that help people express their belief is dogma and not science. Oh my but the Oceans are actually the largest source of CO2 on the planet. They still think ocean CO2 comes from the air instead of the other way around. They should pump some pure CO2 into their aquarium along with air bubbles and watch their plants grow.

  12. Me thinks, they also need to worry about the other end as well ;-).

  13. Larry Fields says: (May 1, 2010 at 5:59 pm)
    ” I want each Green to feel a little guilty every time he slips away from his vegan buddies to surreptitiously wolf down in a Big Mac.”
    Big Macs have beef? I did not suspect that. 🙂

  14. Don’ t ya just love the connection…..

    Save the earth- do not emit hydro carbons traveling to the Montery(sic) Bay Aquarium in your car! Stay home!

    …… and a paragraph away….

    Monterey Bay Aquarium
    20% Discount. Print Free Coupon No Restrictions. No Registration
    promoattractions.com/MontereyBay

    More pressure, more discount?

  15. Just to reiterate what a few have said, yes, there were tens of millions of bison in North America. Today, there are about 100 million cattle, representing roughly 10% of the world cattle population. So in America, there probably hasn’t been a substantial increase methane production due to cattle.
    India has the most cattle, with 281 million or about 30% of the world population. But these cattle provide sustainable fertilizer, fuel, and building supplies (in the form of dung) in treeless landscapes. Additionally, many in India consider cows sacred.
    So back off the cows.

  16. There is a difference between cow methane and bison methane. Cow methane is “dirty” and bison methane is natural. Just like all that extra ice on the arctic is really “dirty ice” and not the real deal. What makes cow methane dirty? Because humans raise cows. We should be eating tofu and drinking soy milk instead. [end sarcasm]

  17. Double standards are rife. Those crying for a GHG reduction do not seem to be making lists of what should be closed down next (apart from the fossil fuel cycle). It is a reasonable analysis to conclude that spectators driving cars to recreational events , including Monterey, should be near the top of the list of things to ban.
    Here in Melbourne Australia we have several large sports grounds, where each weekend in the footy season, between 100,000 and 250,000 people sit on their bums and watch. Taken over a year, the closure of these grounds would result in a susbtantial reduction in GHG from their transport. Besides, you can see it better on TV.
    Likewise, we have the Great Barrier Reef in the North-East (allegedly threatened by global warming) and Kakadu National Park (allegedly threatened by sea level rise), way up at the North of the land. There are expensive, on-going promotions to encourage long aircraft or road trips (= more fuel used) to see these places that are “threatened” by the resulting effluent.
    It’s not just contradictory logic, it’s an official refusal to make cuts to GHG-producing activities that are not needed or optional. That is, it’s a failure of governments to put our money where their mouths are – which is not new, but has now become a requisite for gaining political office.

  18. Mr Watts,
    OT
    I tipped you on Tips & Notes to WUWT about VORTEX2
    Przemysław Pawełczyk says:
    May 1, 2010 at 12:39 am
    http://www.vortex2.org/home/
    I was curious your opinion about the event from professional point of view. I waited all day to have the pleasure to read something interesting on VORTEX2 written by skilled Weather Man.
    Meanwhile you have entertained us with COW as a hero in American never-ending-story of political correctness stupidity. Boring.
    Well?
    Regards

  19. The Aquarium is perched on the edge of the Pacific Ocean. Rising sea levels, if significant, would threaten to wash it away. However, the local NOAA tide station data indicates the three highest sea level years came in the late 1990s, the early 1980s, and the early 1990s. This type of data could be exhibited by the Aquarium to show the uncertainties associated with climate change and sea level trends. The local sea level data would be much more relevant to the function of a sea aquarium than a cow with a gas mask.

  20. Larry Fields says:
    May 1, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    “…. But let’s not tell the Greens. I want each Green to feel a little guilty every time he slips away from his vegan buddies to surreptitiously wolf down in a Big Mac.”
    _______________________________
    I finally figured out why the big push for pure vegan – no dairy,no eggs. Seems children raised without animal protein from some source have retarded brain development as well as behavioral problems. If codex alimentarius manages to convince nations to regulate supplements
    the Vegan raised children are going to be in a world of hurt.
    Red meat essential in the diet of young children: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Role+of+red+meat+in+the+diet+for+children+and+adolescents.%28Section+3:…-a0169311698
    Children ‘harmed’ by vegan diets: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm
    Meat-eating was essential for human evolution, says UC Berkeley anthropologist http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html
    “… A new study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry shows that children who experience malnutrition exhibit strikingly increased behavioral disorders and aggressive behavior as they grow older. The study looked at children between the ages of eight and 17 years, and found some rather shocking statistics about their behaviors.
    Children who suffered certain nutritional deficiencies demonstrated a shocking 41% increase in aggression at age eight. At age 17, they demonstrated a 51% increase in violent and antisocial behaviors. And the only difference is their diet….”

    Read more: http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/effects-of-malnutrition.html#ixzz0mjUt5IDq
    (I can no longer find the actual peer reviewed study I was looking for)

  21. Dennis Nikols says:
    I hope you all noticed the Google advert, just below the story. Anyway I have a short narrative to share. I think it sums up the situation.
    ***************
    In South America we are being discriminated! I get not a single advert in my browser. Not even a humble line promoting getting rich by clicking the link!
    Don’t you envy us?
    BTW: We are in Argentina going to save the world from burning. We used to have about 60 millions cows but thanks to our beloved government and its anti-farmers policies our cattle stock was reduced by 30% in just two years. Fear not methane, our methane footprint was reduced by 30% and our CO2 footprint is following close behind. As the price of meat skyrocketed 100% in three months, very few people are now having their traditional barbecues (asados) so there are almost no fire being lighted for barbecues. No Co2, no smoke, no pollutants. This also makes people skinnier and is transformig them into vegans… and you kow that fat people are guilty of warming the planet.

  22. A cardboard cut-out of a shrugging, long-nosed, gag-wearing Al Gore would have been just as ruinous an experience…
    … but at least more welcome, imo! 🙂
    And how many carbon traders at the Chicago Exchange would have been offended? (Hint: see recent post about the cost of a carbon credit!)
    Almost kind of gives me another idea for a wish… I wish Al Gore would be visted tonight by three Computer Models (spirits!). Especially the Computer Model of Earth-Day Future, which would show him how few people would be offended by that cardboard display of him, compared to ranchers offended by the gas-mask cow.

  23. When I saw this display during my last visit to the Aquarium recently, my heart sank.
    I now consider an organization that I once perceived as a source of research and education now TAINTED.
    I blame Julie Packard.
    I knew she leaned left and green, and appeared up until recently to promote thoughtful marine science through marine exploration and education, but after seeing the politicization and climategate grade propaganda there lately, I’ve come to the conclusion that she is an enviro nut with too much money.
    And I am certain her parents would not be happy with what she has become.
    And, you missed the obligatory picture of the polar bear precariously balanced on the melting pillar of ice.
    And the AV station where the KIDS have to PLEDGE to do their part to save the earth.
    We’ve had membership there for years…and with this stupid crap rearing its head I think it is time to end it.
    I want my kids educated…not taught the lies of political correctness and climate fraud.
    Anthony, thank you for posting this.
    I appreciate your and your followers collective efforts to call a spade a spade and send the climate fraudsters running at every opportunity.
    Keep up the good work.

  24. We are wasting our time even talking these people. Their minds are not just made up ,their minds are mixed up. All liberals are just like this. Alas.

  25. “How do you fel about climate change today?”
    If there were only two answers, good and bad, would the selection tell you anything about the responder?
    Good because the AGW argument is falling apart?
    Good because the US has AGW legislation like new CAFE standards?
    Good because a warmer planet sounds nice?
    Good because the weather was nice this spring?
    Good because the aquarium is helping to get the message out?
    etc..
    So many wasted words.

  26. North of 43 and south of 44 says:
    May 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    Me thinks, they also need to worry about the other end as well ;-).
    _______________________________________________________
    Actually it is cow burps that are the problem.
    It is really hilarious since it is actually bacteria helping the cow break down the plant matter that causes the methane and CO2 (think beer) Bacteria are eventually going to attack that plant matter whether it is in a cow, passed undigested through a horse or decays after the plant dies on the ground, in a swamp or in a compost heap. It is called a carbon CYCLE for a reason.

  27. Gail Combs says:
    May 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    North of 43 and south of 44 says:
    May 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    Me thinks, they also need to worry about the other end as well ;-).
    _______________________________________________________
    Actually it is cow burps that are the problem.
    It is really hilarious since it is actually bacteria helping the cow break down the plant matter that causes the methane and CO2 (think beer) Bacteria are eventually going to attack that plant matter whether it is in a cow, passed undigested through a horse or decays after the plant dies on the ground, in a swamp or in a compost heap. It is called a carbon CYCLE for a reason.
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Actually Gail I do believe that what comes out of both ends of a cow is trouble according to the CAGW crowd.
    You have methane, and a byproduct that continues to decompose coming out of the hind end.
    Trust me, I use a good amount of that decomposing byproduct. In fact I have free access to a rather good mix of composting manure, which I have moved many cubic yards of.
    My veggies and flowers just love it and it has certainly done a very good job of loosening up the clay and heavy topsoil that I used to make my raised planting beds.

  28. New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas
    Research Centre opened
    “Backed by Government funding of
    $5 million a year over the next 10
    years, the New Zealand Agricultural
    Greenhouse Gas Research Centre is
    a partnership between AgResearch,
    DairyNZ, Landcare Research, Lincoln
    University, Massey University, NIWA,
    Plant & Food Research, the Pastoral
    Greenhouse Gas Research Consortium
    (PGgRc) and Scion. Its office is
    based at AgResearch Grasslands.
    Centre Director Dr Harry Clark says
    the Centre brings together key New
    Zealand scientists to work on one of
    the biggest challenges of our time.
    “The Centre will lead and co-ordinate
    research to reduce methane and nitrous
    oxide emissions, and to increase the
    rates of soil carbon accumulation. This
    research will underpin the development
    of novel, credible and cost-effective
    low greenhouse gas (GHG) emitting
    production systems that provide
    farmers with practical options for
    reducing emissions,” he said.
    “While agriculture creates about half
    of New Zealand’s GHG emissions, it also
    generates around 44 per cent of New
    Zealand’s merchandise export earnings
    and so is a critical contributor to New
    Zealand’s livelihood. The challenge is to
    find ways for New Zealand to meet its
    international GHG emission obligations
    without reducing agricultural output.”
    The Centre will also play a key role
    in New Zealand’s science input into
    a world-wide initiative, the Global
    Research Alliance (GRA), announced
    in Copenhagen last year.”
    http://www.agresearch.co.nz/publications/intouch/Mar2010/files/intouchmar2010.pdf

  29. You are right to describe this stunt as junk science. I cannot believe somewhere as supposedly learned as MBA could descend to this level. Recent research is revising the amount of methane emitted by cattle anyway. But a whole of lifecycle analysis is also needed – what would be done to the land if cattle aren’t run – other uses also result in significant greenhouse gases being released. Stunts like this one do not progress the public’s knowledge or understanding of the carbon cycle.

  30. Do they not understand that we are at war with mother nature and we are winning? Smallpox, bubonic plague, yellow fever, TB, polio, malaria, she keeps trying to wipe us out and we fight right back. Most of the planet is uninhabitable 3 seasons out of four, we’ve had to build houses with internal climate control to keep the natural elements from killing us. Most of us would starve to death if we had to depend on mother earth, good thing we cut the apron strings and terraformed the planet to maximize food production. She hits us with crop failures and such here and there, but what with global food distribution, irrigation and so on, its out of her hands. Food born diseases get a few people from time to time but we pretty much caught onto that tactic and have it contained for the most part. She tries a regional stunt every once in a while, earthquackes, volcanos and such, we’ve gotten to the point where we can have relief workers on site saving peoples lives from mother nature in 48 hours or less anywhere in the world. There’s all those wild animals that are fiercer and stronger than we are and would kill us if they could, we have them contained too, we’ll let them live too as long as they don’t get out of line though once in a while one does. We raise animals to kill to eat of course which isn’t natural, and I’m OK with that since we have standards for how we put those animals to death which look pretty good compared to how mother nature does it what with all the rending and stripping of flesh from animals not actually dead yet. Or starving to death when she moves their food supply. Her last serious attempt to eradicate us was what… bird flu? Feeble.
    We’re at war with mother nature and we are kicking her butt. We should be proud of ourselves and the standards we have (for the most part) adhered to.

  31. It might be interesting to see exactly how they (MBA) were chartered. Many non-profits are set up as “educational,” “charitable,” or “fraternal” tax-exempts. Such entities are not usually allowed to make political statements without endangering their tax-free status. For example, the Boy Scouts of America or the American Numismatic Association can’t endorse candidates for office. Unless they are set up as an advocacy organization–which would have a whole different set of tax laws to play under–political speech may create a very awkward tax situation for them. I wonder who to report it to?

  32. Such as it is for trust funders. What Julie Packard fails to grasp is the future is built via hard work and an unrelenting desire to improve ones quality of life. When you already have everything you lose touch with what is real and what is important.
    Such people have no sensory input whatsoever about the change needed in the world. It is exactly this kind of aristocracy that has caused most of the suffering in the world. Intent only matters if accompanied by understanding.
    Julie slashes at her personal demons that reside solely in her imagination. In the real world when environmental action is needed it makes itself felt.

  33. Some days I think I would be better off if I just locked my door, shut off the computer and TV, pulled the shades down and refused to come out from under the covers until all the idiots have received their appropriate Darwin award.

  34. @Tesla_X
    “And I am certain her parents would not be happy with what she has become.”
    Mr Packard’s foundation, like many with significant assets, has been hijacked by left leaning board members and administration who use the assets to promote their political causes. He was a patriot, business leader, and gentleman but his daughter is a moonbat. Pity.

  35. I have taken my kids to The Monterey Aquarium dozens of times. We used to be members there. The main problem with the climate there is that it is almost always cold in the summer.
    Monterey is famous for top notch climate science. Like the Naval Postgraduate School researcher who predicted the Arctic would be ice free by 2013.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

    Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’
    By Jonathan Amos
    Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco
    Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice. Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

  36. Should be no surprise that the cow, and other food related animals are being targeted. After all the AGW scam was created by the club of rome, who also love the idea of human depopulation.

  37. Same kind of junk at the at the SD Zoo, all over the zoo in fact. They have an update to the polar bear plunge with a 30′ sign about co2, and other nonsense. All the while trying to sell you all kinds of crap made in China. They care about the planet don’t they. Maybe those freighters run on solar power.

  38. Cows eat grass. They produce methane. Methane combines with oxygen in the air to form CO2. Grass absorbs the CO2 to re-grow. Cows eat the grass…
    It’s a cycle with no net effect.

  39. Does not surprise me. The place is loaded with subtle and not so subtle greeny propaganda. Some of the information they present is highly misleading and decidedly spun to support the agenda. I was disappointed by my visit a few years ago, but not really surprised. They have always been run by lefties. One can’t get a degree in any of the biological sciences without being saturated in Marxist ideology. That is why almost all wildlife specialists are moonbats. I could not stomach it. I ended up educating myself. Of course one can’t work in the field without a certificate of brainwashing( aka university degree) thus I make my living as a software engineer specialising in instrumentation and data collection, rather then my other two loves, freshwater ecology and carnivore biology. BTW, one of their propaganda programs is Seafood Watch. Some of the information that organization provide are downright lies.

  40. Al Gore should track down the decendents of the Buffalo Hunters and pay them their Carbon Credits.

  41. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the universe.”
    ~Einstein

  42. Shouldn’t they be more worried about people eating beans? That produces a whole lot more gas.

  43. Is methane really a potent greenhouse gas?
    It absorbs radiation much in the same spectra as water vapor.

  44. Let us all vote The MBA poll on their online exhibit page about climate change. Let s see if WUWT readers can make a difference.
    also
    Gail Combs says:
    May 1, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    finally figured out why the big push for pure vegan – no dairy,no eggs. Seems children raised without animal protein from some source have retarded brain development as well as behavioral problems.
    Also read
    Dr Russell Blaylock Nutrition and Behavior
    http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=660369308462355850#docid=2963728494205235281

  45. The MBA website seems to be mathematically challenged.
    Your poll snapshot above shows 10% of 10687 responses are unconcerned about climate change. Allowing for rounding that’s at most 1122 Unconcerneds (10.499%)
    At this hour, the poll shows 13% of 10886 responses are unconcerned. Even if every one of the 199 new responses were unconcerned, the count can be no larger than 1321. Yet 1321/10886 is 12.1%
    Sloppy.

  46. On Australian TV last week there was a program showing research being done to try and find out which breed of sheep emitted the least amount of methane! Seriously, I kid you not!! The scene shown was a scientist with a couple of earnest young female assistants busily measuring the burp and fart “emissions” from a sad-looking sheep penned in a clear plastic tent hooked up by tubes to various instruments. At first it gave me the best laugh I’ve had for a long time but I was later angry and frustrated at the obvious waste of money and that the CAGW scam had spawned such a farce!
    Of course, I could always be wrong about thevalue of their research. Maybe it was the super-sized burps and farts from the dinosaurs, mammoths and other mega-fauna that resulted in their final ex-“stink”-shun!!

  47. “Gail Combs says:
    […]
    I finally figured out why the big push for pure vegan – no dairy,no eggs. Seems children raised without animal protein from some source have retarded brain development as well as behavioral problems.”
    A vegan couple in Germany tried to raise their newborn on soy milk. It starved to death. Lack of essential amino acids. Smarter vegans who actually want their kid to survive and avoid jail time in the process do buy milk powder and reluctantly allow the kid to consume animal products. But they hate doing it.
    German:
    http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,482249,00.html
    Google translated:
    http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2Fjustiz%2F0%2C1518%2C482249%2C00.html&sl=de&tl=en

  48. Whether a blade of grass lives out its life cycle undisturbed or whether it takes an excursion thru the GI tract of a ruminant makes no diffierence: its cellulose decomposes and CO2 & methane are released either way eventually.

  49. As a young boy, and a Steinbeck enthusiast, I always wanted to visit Cannery Row. Unfortunately the Monterey fishing industry fell apart in the late forties (or was it the fifties?)
    When we visited the Aquarium three or four years years ago, I was particularly impressed by some panels near the exit that told us that the main reason for the sardines having disappeared from the bay for a couple of decades was the decline in the temperature of the water rather than the other culprit – overfishing.
    As far as I recollect the same panels pointed out that the water in the bay had warmed again but was still not matching the temperatures reached in the thirties. Are the panels still there?

  50. jack morrow says:
    May 1, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    We are wasting our time even talking these people. Their minds are not just made up, their minds are mixed up. All liberals are just like this. Alas.
    _______________________________________________________________
    Jack, That is just not true. Some are caring individuals who are now realizing they have been lied to. Many are very angry.
    The liberals who are not willing to listen generally have KNOWN all along it is a lie and are backing a political agenda using the lies. I went through this with the Organic Consumers Assoc and the US Food Safety bill HR 875. Organic Consumers Assoc originally came out in full support of the bill, even through the bill would destroy organic farming. Maude Barlow the organizer of Organic Consumers Assoc. was handsomely rewarded for selling the US consumers out with an appointment as New Senior Adviser to the UN president on October 21, 2008. Jill Richardson (Orange Cloud) a member of the Organic Consumers Association policy advisory board is the founder of the blog La Vida Locavore. She says she is a “consultant” but in reality she is UC San Diego Sustainability Coordinator and would most likely work with Raymond Clemencon another faculty member, who was one of the negotiators on the Rio Declaration and Agenda 21.
    Jill Richardson is working on the practical aspects of UN Agenda 21 as far as I can tell.
    For example:
    “Currently, we are particularly interested in receiving manuscripts that deal with some of the following subjects, although other submissions will continue to receive full consideration:
    Implementing sustainable development strategies, Rio-Agenda 21 and Millennium Development” Objectives: The Journal of Environment and Development
    Graduate School of International Relations & Pacific Studies
    University of California, San Diego, MC0519
    9500 Gilman Drive
    La Jolla, CA 92037-0519, USA
    Here are Jill’s thoughts on UN and Sustainability (read Agenda 21) http://www.lavidalocavore.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=1520
    By the way once their ties to the UN were exposed they did some fast back pedaling and modified their stand on HR 875 so they would not loose the sheep they were leading.
    “…Nevertheless, we were alarmed by the misleading headlines attached to anti-HR 875 alerts. Even if this bill were passed as is today, it wouldn’t criminalize organic farming. The bill would require farms to have a food safety plan, allow their records to be inspected, and comply with food safety regulations. To say this is tantamount to criminalization doesn’t give organic farmers enough credit…” http://www.organicconsumers.org/bytes/ob168.htm
    In reality the bill bankrupts family farms leaving corporate “organic farms” to take over that market niche so I guess she is technically correct.
    Isn’t the internet amazing? Do a bit of digging and you find all sorts of ties between “grassroots” movements and the UN.

  51. I am trying to understand the logic of: “cows emit methane, which is a potent GHG, therefore cows are bad, and we need to have fewer of them, so to illustrate that we put a gas mask on a cow.” But warmlogic doesn’t follow the normal logical rules, and in fact turns them on their head. Warmists truly live in their own magical, Alice-in-wonderland world, where down is up, white is black, good is bad, right is wrong, and vice-versa.
    It’s actually a wonder they are able to function at all.

  52. North of 43 and south of 44 says:
    May 1, 2010 at 8:20 pm
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Actually Gail I do believe that what comes out of both ends of a cow is trouble according to the CAGW crowd….
    Trust me, I use a good amount of that decomposing byproduct. In fact I have free access to a rather good mix of composting manure, which I have moved many cubic yards of.
    My veggies and flowers just love it and it has certainly done a very good job of loosening up the clay and heavy topsoil that I used to make my raised planting beds.
    ________________________________________________________________
    They targwet cows because of the multiple stomach and make sure people understand it is not just the hind end. By the By better get all the composting manure you can into the ground now because “they” plan to outlaw it. Some one from England posting here mentioned something about that already being in place in England if I understood him correctly.
    It is called the scorched-earth strategies: see HR 2749: Food Safety’s Scorched Earth Policy
    Cap and Trade type bills are not the only bills threatening the USA and other countries. Our food supply has also been under attack world wide it is disguised as “food Safety” issues and seed and livestock patent law “harmonization”

  53. MBA Logic 101
    Carbon is a pollutant
    Life is carbon-based
    Ergo, life is a pollutant

  54. If you want to know the real reason for alarm about livestock and methane check out
    INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR ANIMAL RECORDING
    PATENTING IN THE ANIMAL SECTOR

    “…The Patenting Sentinel and Action Service (PSAS) is an important initiative of the International Committee for Animal Recording (ICAR) as regards patenting in the animal sector. This is an issue which is of uttermost importance for the future of all organizations involved in the sectors of animal recording and genetic evaluation. The latest developments in this field and the future prospects are causing increasing concern among industrialists and breeders, thus stressing the need for continuous updating on the progress of animal patenting issues worldwide and raising the awareness of professionals regarding their possibility to take action towards the protection of their professional interests…
    ICAR will continue to build on its strength of neutrality and integrity as related to standards and guidelines for animal recording, evaluations and equipment approvals. This will include further strategic alliances with international organizations including EAAP, FAO, IDF, OIE, ILRI, WAAP and ISO.” Animal Patents: http://www.icar.org/%5Cpages%5Cpsas.htm
    As usual FOLLOW THE MONEY. Monsanto and company have done real well with plant GMOs but owning all the ruminant livestock in the world must make them really salivate.

  55. Yeah, my kids and I went to the aquarium just 3 weeks ago. While there were a few exhibits that centered around actual information about the sea. About half were dedicated to guilt trips about the abuse man has placed on the sea rather then the sea itself. This was slightly frustrating. It is one thing to say that we need to treat the sea with respect and stop polluting/over fishing both of which are admirable things but half the exhibits being taken up by that was slightly annoying. I kept wanting to learn about the fish, not mans impact on the fish… If I wanted to know that I could have just turned on the T.V. and heard about the oil spill. oh well when advocacy and science connect you get advocacy information.

  56. We’ve regularly gone to the aquarium over the years. Think I’ll skip it this year… and maybe next, too. We don’t go there for a political harangue nor for a guilt trip.
    Maybe the S.F. Zoo… don’t remember much other than animals from my last trip up there. Hmmm… There used to be a farm around here that had tours for kids, wonder if they are still in business… it would be nice to visit a farm again…
    Or maybe well go ahead and go to Monterey, but take a fishing boat ride. Still get to see fish, but way closer up. ( Caught 3 nice Salmon last time I did that, but it was way too many years ago. ) Didn’t have to deal with any guilt trip propaganda either…

  57. I grew up around cattle- both Dairy and Beef. plus my Pop did a little Rodeo stock work,
    To make the display more authentic the cow should be equipped with a urine soaked tail, to slap anyone touching her side, then she steps on the foot of the now soaked,
    participant, then maybe more realistic parts could be added-like “attach the milking
    machine”- “get the cow into the stall”-and my personal favorite-“where’s the Bull ”
    complete with apple tree to climb up and spend most of the afternoon in….

  58. It offends me, as do all the so-called “educational” exhibits that are really political messaging, and I’m not a dairy farmer.
    I do drink milk, and eat meat, and plan to continue serving both to my family as long as we can continue to afford to do so.
    Had man not developed to the point where he could catch and eat the high quality protein found in animal products, his brain would not have developed to the point where some members of our species thought they could control the weather.
    But maybe that particular bit of evolution is a different kind of “mad cow”?

  59. DirkH says: (May 2, 2010 at 3:44 am)
    “A vegan couple in Germany tried to raise their newborn on soy milk. It starved to death. Lack of essential amino acids”
    Perhaps if they would call it for what it really is, soy juice (not “milk”), people would understand. But then, who would use ” juice” as a replacement for “milk”?
    h/t Lewis Black

  60. I consider that the practice of referring to supporters of Leftist ideologies as ‘liberals ‘ is a misnomer. Liberalism used to be about liberty. Extending voting rights and free trade were issues of liberalism in the West a century ago. Groups who want to restrict peoples’ freedoms hide behind the term ‘liberal’, just as calling the Ministry of Propoganda the Ministry of Truth in Orwell’s novel’ 1984′ was a diversionary tactic!

  61. I spent a great evening at MBA in the mid 1990’s. The technical conference I was attending had reserved the entire aquarium for the evening. No speeches, just light snacks, open bar and three hours to wander through the place. The deep ocean tank was really spectacular. Of course, I found it somewhat ironic to be gazing at various sea creatures swimming about in large tanks as I stuffed my face with shrimp, oysters, salmon and lox!
    Based on the recent displays reported here, I have no plans for a return visit.

  62. @Larry Fields
    FYI estimates of pre-industrial bison in U.S. 30-70 million head. Number of head of domestic cattle in U.S. today is very near 100 million head.
    It’s not really the methane they produce it’s the inefficiency in turning silage into cattle before taking in the calories. About one third (35 million head) of U.S. cattle are slaughtered each year. Bison in the wild live 15 or more years not 3 years. So we have now have about twice as many cattle with a five time shorter lifespan which translates to ten times as much food consumption by domestic cattle as wild pre-industrial bison. Ten times as much food being eaten by the cattle means ten times as much methane generated as it is digested.
    The problem, given I believe mankind has an insignificant effect on global average temperature, is really about efficient use of energy. Regardless of what’s happening to the climate we are indeed using up all the petroleum reserves at an alarming rate for anyone who might be alive 50 years from now. There’s no similar low-cost replacement for petroleum based energy. The shit will hit the fan in two more generations at most.
    Contrary to urban legend only a small percentage of the weight of cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. comes from grazing on land otherwise unsuitable for agriculture. The weight comes from feeding them silage made of grains and hay which is cultivated on arable land. It takes about six pounds of corn to produce a one pound steak. One pound of lean ground beef has about 800 calories. One pound of corn has about 2400 calories. So it’s almost 20 times more energy efficient to eat corn instead of beef. This doesn’t include the extra energy required to raise, process, and refrigerate the meat as it makes its way from birth to kitchen table.
    A huge reduction in fossil fuel consumption could be had by eliminating the middle man and using the agricultural output of arable land for directly producing foods for human consumption instead of for livestock feed. I personally couldn’t possibly care less what effect that has on so-called greenhouse gas production. I’m concerned about conserving fossil fuel to extend the length of time we have to find and deploy a replacement that really works.

  63. E.M.Smith,
    I just look out my windows when I want to see some wildlife.
    This morning looking out the window I saw a nice sized tom turkey trying to convince three lovely ladies that he was exactly what they wanted. He was also trying to figure out what was in the coop as the chickens were discussing something.
    Starting next Saturday morning his name might turn into Sunday dinner.
    Now are wild turkeys organic?
    Yesterday morning it was Mallards landing in the spring fed brook.
    I don’t need any zoo or aquarium to see animals.

  64. <>
    “Monterey Bay Aquarium” is fighting for their life and doing everything in their power to prostitute themselves to gain more visitors and sponsors. This is a no holds barred fight for their life, they’re pulling out all the stops. Chinese investors from Hong Kong have already proposed giving them $.03 on the dollar for their inventory. Hindsight being 20/20, the Tank Boss admits that they shouldn’t have been so enviro conscious about Bat Guano three years ago, Humming Bird subsonic noise polution two years ago, or Monarch Butterfly incidental CO2 contamination of the environment last year. He said things really started to turn sour back in 2010 when the ‘Deepwater Horizon’ blew up and sank in the Gulf of Mexico and the Federal Government banned all oil imports, off-shore drilling, wind farms, coal fired power plants, nuclear power plants, solar collectors, dry and wet cell batteries, bio-fuel plants, and wind turbines, and the economy kinda rolled over and died. He hinted that this was the reason the Aquarium wasn’t doing as well as it had in 2009.
    Update: We have since learned that the EPA arrested the Tank Boss minutes after our interview. He was tried, and immediately executed for inciting a riot via an unauthorized media web source.
    <>

  65. If they’re trying to reduce methane emissions they’ve put the gas mask on the wrong end of the cow. Just proves these greenie freaks can’t tell their a*** from their elbow.

  66. That poll is hilarious!
    How do you feel about climate change today?
    Worried
    Hopeful
    Unsure
    Discouraged
    Curious
    Unconcerned
    I guess, mostly I’m WORRIED that global taxes on a harmless trace gas will be imposed, but I don’t think that’s exactly what they mean…

  67. Isn’t the acquarium “public”? If yes, you are paying for the exhibit with your own taxes! Only not going there will make no difference whatsoever.
    REPLY: No, it is a private foundation – A

  68. Tom in Florida says:
    May 2, 2010 at 7:33 am
    DirkH says: (May 2, 2010 at 3:44 am)
    “A vegan couple in Germany tried to raise their newborn on soy milk. It starved to death. Lack of essential amino acids”
    Perhaps if they would call it for what it really is, soy juice (not “milk”), people would understand. But then, who would use ” juice” as a replacement for “milk”?
    h/t Lewis Black

    I agree, as a horticulturist, this annoys me everytime someone says it. Only mammals have milk, plants do not. Plants have juice (from the fruit usually) sap or latex.

  69. Tom in Florida says:
    May 2, 2010 at 7:33 am
    DirkH says: (May 2, 2010 at 3:44 am)
    “A vegan couple in Germany tried to raise their newborn on soy milk. It starved to death. Lack of essential amino acids”
    Perhaps if they would call it for what it really is, soy juice (not “milk”), people would understand. But then, who would use ” juice” as a replacement for “milk”?
    h/t Lewis Black
    They have “scientifically formulated milk replacers” for lambs and goat kids. We just found out the hard way that the “milk replacers” KILL lambs and kids by causing scours or Enterotoxemia . You are better off at least starting with whole cows milk instead and slowly switching if you have to bottle feed. I have a freezer full of lamb and sheep milk now for just that reason
    Ever try to milk a half tame sheep or goat?

  70. Dave Springer says:
    May 2, 2010 at 8:22 am
    “…Contrary to urban legend only a small percentage of the weight of cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. comes from grazing on land otherwise unsuitable for agriculture. The weight comes from feeding them silage made of grains and hay which is cultivated on arable land…”
    The use of grain and grain by products as animal feed is caused by USDA grain subsidisies. The farmers produce and sell the grain at below the cost of production. It is then sold to the biofuel industry or for beer making. The used dry material is then used as a cattle feed stock called distillers dried grains. Wheat middlings also used in feed is a byproduct of milling wheat into flour or as one horseman put it “Wheat middlings are the left over crap after the wheat is processed to be bread or cereal or whatever else it is going to be…” All Stock pelleted or sweet mix from these feed stocks are generally CHEAPER than whole corn. This makes grain fed cattle CHEAPER to raise than raising them on pasture.
    It is all a matter of economics and brainwashing by the USDA extension service. For a really good look at the manipulation of our food supply by the Committee for Economic Development, check out History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job
    I pay a premium price and buy pasture raised beef from a local. It is supposed to have more nutrients than feed lot raised but I have no link to the study. It certainly tests better.

  71. The following is from Earth Talk Magazine 2006 – although I surely like a steak once and a while this might be worth a read!
    Accumulation of methane in the Earth’s atmosphere has nearly doubled around the globe over the past 200 years. Scientists believe that rising concentrations of this “greenhouse gas,” which absorbs and sends infrared radiation to the Earth, are causing changes in the climate and contributing to global warming.
    Livestock animals naturally produce methane as part of their digestive process, belching it while chewing cud and excreting it in their waste. According to the Worldwatch Institute, about 15 to 20 percent of global methane emissions come from livestock. John Robbins, author of The Food Revolution and Diet for a New America, says that methane is 24 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, the culprit normally at the center of global warming discussions.
    And there are plenty of sources of it: The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) reports that animals in the U.S. meat industry produce 61 million tons of waste each year, which is 130 times the volume of human waste produced, or five tons for every U.S. citizen. In addition to its impact on climate, hog, chicken and cow waste has polluted some 35,000 miles of rivers in 22 states and contaminated groundwater in 17 states, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
    Ronnie Cummins, national director of the Organic Consumers Association, says that a food chain with meat at its top is unsustainable not only as a major contributor of greenhouse gases, but also with regard to inefficient dedication of large amounts of acreage to livestock grazing. The USDA, for example, says that growing the crops necessary to feed farmed animals requires nearly 80 percent of America’s agricultural land and half of its water supply.
    In addition, animals raised for food in the U.S. consume 90 percent of the country’s soy crop, 80 percent of its corn crop, and 70 percent of its grain. “If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million,” says Cornell ecologist David Pimentel. He adds that irresponsible livestock farming is directly or indirectly responsible for much of the soil erosion in the U.S.
    Unfortunately, environmental problems associated with livestock rearing are not limited to the United States. According to the international environmental journal, Earth Times, meat production grew more than fivefold worldwide during the latter half of the 20th century. And as intensive “factory” farming methods of raising livestock spread from the U.S. to other countries–many with regulatory monitoring and enforcement standards far worse than our own–this form of pollution is sure to play an increasingly larger role in environmental problems moving forward.

  72. Aren’t there laws against putting S&M gear on farm animals? PETA already complains about harnesses on horses, doesn’t want livestock in bondage to human whims…

  73. Ric Werme says:
    ..if the cow was grazing the kelp forest, that would be worth a visit..
    Don’t light my fuse! There is a well=advertized industry here in Oz harvesting kelp, purporting to extract a “tonic” from it and using the rest for fertilizer. In terms on NPK, kelp runs about 0.1, 0.1, 0.5 so it’s a pretty crrok fertilizer. So they catch fish and grind them up as an additive to give it at least a semblance of nutrition value, but it’s still not much differnt to that is being fertilized.
    The NZ Dept of Agriculture took one such firm to Court, where the Judge found no redeeming vale in the exercise. He could not pass a jusgement of any consequence because he said the law did not give him the power to prevent citizens from buying useless products.
    The the CSIRO in Australia did many field trials, outcome essentially zero improvement. The level of any growth promoters in the mix was so low as the be like homeopathy. So we have a sector of the workforce engaged in useless expendiure when thery could be doing something useful plus a clutch of gardeners and farmers who are spending money for no gain.What a spin!
    The ultimate insult is that our National Broadcaster, the ABC, promotes this endeavour in the interests of “organic” chemical free farming, which in several papers has been also shown to be a pickpocket exercise.
    Goodbye science, welcome trendiness.

  74. “Ronnie Cummins, national director of the Organic Consumers Association, says…”
    As I just said before Organic Consumers Association founder is senior adviser to the UN. The USDA is run by Monsanto, Cargill and the others who want to ban natural livestock and substitute patented livestock.
    FOLLOW THE MONEY. The propaganda about what is happening on the subject of food is as bad or worse than that in Global Warming and the same group is behind both sets of propaganda.
    “…With World War II, America saw its agricultural system intentionally subjected to political policies that radically transformed it. What was once a decentralized system that provided a means to self sufficiency and independence for tens of millions of farmers was purposefully centralized into a capital-intensive fossil-fuel dependent system that restructured local economies, permitting their wealth to be extracted by what are now transnational cartels dedicated to the so-called free market and globalized trade at all costs.
    This transformation was the result of organized plans developed by a group of highly powerful ” though unelected ” financial and industrial executives who wanted to drastically change agricultural practices in the US to better serve their collective corporate financial agenda. This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation’s foreign policies.[1]
    Composed of chief executive officers and chairmen from the federal reserve, the banking industry, private equity firms, insurance companies, railroads, information technology firms, publishing companies, pharmaceutical companies, the oil and automotive industries, meat packing companies, retailers and assisted by university economists ” representatives from every sector of the economy with the key exception of farmers themselves ” CED determined that the problem with American agriculture was that there were too many farmers. But the CED had a “solution”: millions of farmers would just have to be eliminated.
    In a number of reports written over a few decades, CED recommended that farming “resources” ” that is, farmers ” be reduced. In its 1945 report “Agriculture in an Expanding Economy,” CED complained that “the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the “farm problem'” and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs….
    Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself in another agricultural report called “A New US Farm Policy for Changing World Food Needs” for the efficiency of the tactics they employed to drive farmers from their land.[5]
    The human cost of CED’s plans were exacting and enormous.
    CED’s plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers’ lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out…”
    History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Jobt
    This article is very well researched and includes five pages of references. So please read it.

  75. Couple of questions for the city kid here:
    I thought gas masks kept filtrates (not gases in the physical sense) OUT, not in.
    I thought the methane “problem” was at the other end of the cow.
    What a disappointing thing to find out about that aquarium. How sad.

  76. @Dave Springer
    You’re right to expand the view of pertinent considerations concerning the energy budget of food production, but you need to expand it even further: humans can’t survive on corn kernels (or stalks) alone. At a minimum, a vegan needs to combine rice, beans and corn to obtain minimal protein requirements and would get excessive calories in doing so, increasing the risk of obesity and further enabling the expression of diabetes. Cattle, BTW, don’t need to be fed corn and we’d all be a little healthier if allowed to eat grass finished beef and thus making beef a much less oil dependent food than veggies.
    And grass decomposes whether it’s eaten or not: the carbon budget isn’t changed by how many bodies the food passes thru. Your arithmetic concerning the bison and cattle herds doesn’t make any sense: there are (and were) only so many ruminant GI tracts operating at any one time, regardless of the cull rate.
    The carrying capacity of the environment has been expanded miraculously by oil dependent ag technology. We are due for an ugly future competing for food when oil gives out. I’m going to sharpen my sword and polish my horned helmet now so I’ll be prepared. Itll be sooner than we’d like to think.

  77. Great comments from guidoLaMoto and Gail Combs re real food and Big Agribusiness.
    In the 1830s Richard Henry Dana Jr. often made port in Monterey as an AB seaman in the coastal hide trade. In “Two Years Before the Mast” he wrote of the vitalizing powers of (grass fed) beef:
    “This was the most lively part of our work. A little boating and
    beach work in the morning; then twenty or thirty men down in a
    close hold, where we were obliged to sit down and slide about,
    passing hides, and rowsing about the great steeves, tackles, and
    dogs, singing out at the falls, and seeing the ship filling up
    every day. The work was as hard as it could well be. There was not
    a moment’s cessation from Monday morning till Saturday night, when
    we were generally beaten out, and glad to have a full night’s
    rest, a wash and shift of clothes, and a quiet Sunday. During all
    this time– which would have startled Dr. Graham– we lived upon
    almost nothing but fresh beef; fried beefsteaks, three times a
    day,– morning, noon, and night. At morning and night we had a
    quart of tea to each man, and an allowance of about a pound of
    hard bread a day; but our chief article of food was beef. A mess,
    consisting of six men, had a large wooden kid piled up with
    beefsteaks, cut thick, and fried in fat, with the grease poured
    over them. Round this we sat, attacking it with our jack-knives
    and teeth, and with the appetite of young lions, and sent back an
    empty kid to the galley. This was done three times a day. How many
    pounds each man ate in a day I will not attempt to compute. A
    whole bullock (we ate liver and all) lasted us but four days. Such
    devouring of flesh, I will venture to say, is not often seen. What
    one man ate in a day, over a hearty man’s allowance, would make an
    English peasant’s heart leap into his mouth. Indeed, during all
    the time we were upon the coast, our principal food was fresh
    beef, and every man had perfect health; but this was a time of
    especial devouring, and what we should have done without meat I
    cannot tell. Once or twice, when our bullocks failed, and we were
    obliged to make a meal upon dry bread and water, it seemed like
    feeding upon shavings. Light and dry, feeling unsatisfied, and, at
    the same time, full, we were glad to see four quarters of a
    bullock, just killed, swinging from the fore-top. Whatever
    theories may be started by sedentary men, certainly no men could
    have gone through more hard work and exposure for sixteen months
    in more perfect health, and without ailings and failings, than our
    ship’s crew, let them have lived upon Hygeia’s own baking and
    dressing.”

  78. The globalists’ purpose for the promotion of a vegan diet has been previously inferred but not stated outright. The vegan diet creates a more tractable form of livestock: the Sheeple.

  79. If the EPA and other green alarmists are so worried about the that evil toxic gas CO2, perhaps they are the ones who should go around wearing gas masks?
    I visited the poll here:-
    http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/efc/flamingos.aspx
    The latest results show ‘Unconcerned’ has now grown to 15%. I wonder if this is another example of the WUWT effect 🙂
    Results:
    How do you feel about climate change today?
    Worried
    36%
    Hopeful
    14%
    Unsure
    8%
    Discouraged
    14%
    Curious
    13%
    Unconcerned
    15%

    11644 votes tallied

  80. Scarlet Pumpernickel says:
    May 1, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    Wow.. within a couple of hours of reading your post, I receive an email listing Termites as the number 1 methane producer.. followed by Camels, Zebra, Sheep, *then* Cows!
    So I’m guessing that alarmists will be extolling the virtues of fumigation, rather than chowing down on beef?

  81. @ Beth Cooper – hear hear. “Liberals” and for that matter “Socialists” have completely different meanings in the rest of the world from the meanings they have in the USA and it makes me wince that liberals are equated with communists in the States. Real liberals are tolerant, reasonable, freedom-loving people and that should not be used as a term of abuse. It worries me greatly that sites like this one which start out each day talking about the evidence for and against man-made climate change usually end up in ignorant right-wing intolerant rants about Obama and government and BURN MORE OIL!!!. I hate to think that climate change science is getting mixed up in illiberal teaparty political prejudices.

  82. First they banned the cattle and the pigs and I said nothing.
    Then they banned all cars except electric and I said nothing.
    Then they banned all the power on which the electric cars and factories depended and still I said nothing.
    Then they banned our cats and dogs – they have carbon footprints too, they said – and I looked away.
    Now they’re coming to ban you and me.

  83. Veronica says:
    May 3, 2010 at 8:30 am
    @ Beth Cooper – hear hear. “Liberals” and for that matter “Socialists” have completely different meanings in the rest of the world from the meanings they have in the USA and it makes me wince that liberals are equated with communists in the States. Real liberals are tolerant, reasonable, freedom-loving people and that should not be used as a term of abuse. …
    _________________________________________________________________________
    You are correct. There are liberals and there are pseudo-liberals. Unfortunately it is a lot easier to sell a global dictatorship if it is packaged as warm & fuzzy and good for children, small animals and the environment. These quotes are where the problem comes in.
    “What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control…” http://search.marxists.org/archive/draper/1966/twosouls/0-2souls.htm
    Therefore “socialism” is the ideal vehicle for those who crave power. Remember Paul Warburg was the main architect of the US Federal Reserve Act and his brother Max financed the Bolshevik Revolution. The bankers have taken advantage of the above definition of socialism ever since.
    “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – Pg. 405 of David Rockefeller’s Autobiography, 2002
    David Rockefeller “… the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” http://www.newswithviews.com/Cappadona/heidi5.htm
    And the work of the UN and the elite orchestrated NGOs that channel the energy and enthusiasm of the young political activists into the “correct” causes needed to advance their agendas.
    “Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations…” http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html
    And then there is The ‘Innocents’ Clubs’: http://www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html
    “…During the 1920’s and most of the 1930’s Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin’s front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg’s direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West….Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism. The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression…”
    To hide what is happening history has been rewritten.
    “… Over the last quarter-century, historians have by and large ceased writing about the role of ruling elites in the country’s evolution. Or if they have taken up the subject, they have done so to argue against its salience for grasping the essentials of American political history. Yet there is something peculiar about this recent intellectual aversion, even if we accept as true the beliefs that democracy, social mobility, and economic dynamism have long inhibited the congealing of a ruling stratum. This aversion has coincided, after all, with one of the largest and fastest-growing disparities in the division of income and wealth in American history….Neglecting the powerful had not been characteristic of historical work before World War II. ” http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/11/2005/3/#11068
    Remember there is no one who is angrier than someone who realizes they have been conned. I am an ex-Greenpeace liberal from the late sixties who woke up.

  84. davidmhoffer May 1, 2010 at 8:30 pm: “Most of us would starve to death if we had to depend on mother earth, good thing we cut the apron strings and terraformed the planet to maximize food production.”
    Terraformed terra! Very well put.

  85. @ Veronica-
    Point well taken, Veronica (and Beth Cooper). Please in turn keep in mind that many “tea partiers” are not illiberal in the classical sense either. Many are “populist” or libertarian, and distrustful of the Republican Right that is trying to co-opt the movement. The MSM tend to paint all Tea Partiers (and other Obama-agenda opponents) as religious-right white supremacist wackos, a very misleading generalization.

  86. The Science Museum in London, England, had a similar exhibition exposing the folly of human carbon pollution but after much negative comment from members of the public it was changed to explain that there was actually a conflicting story about carbon and how it actually benefits the planet, though the threat that climate change was still man made has not been reversed.

  87. Re: Yesteryear’s Bison vs. today’s Cattle
    Even more than what was roaming the midwestern prairies is what the prairies actually were, a patchwork of bog-gas spewing marshland, you know, methane. Add to that the riparian woodlands pumping GHG dihydrogen monoxide from deep subsoil (now safely fixed deep under corn’s 6 ft. roots) via their H2O-well taproots. Perhaps cattlemen and corn farmers should receive net carbon credit payouts as a thank you for their Giai-saving geoengineering feats.

  88. “Perhaps if they would call it for what it really is, soy juice (not “milk”), people would understand. But then, who would use ” juice” as a replacement for “milk”?”
    Time Wave Zero has given us the novel meme [snip ~ ctm]

  89. CHEM TRAILS and CLIMATE CHANGE: I am really surprised about very uncurious the Monterey Bay Aquarium is when it comes to Chem trails and also how silent they are about this. One can look up at the sky on almost any given day and note the parallel lines, blips, grids and giant Xs in the sky.
    I also have to note how very uncurious certain scientists are about this as well.
    After ruling everything else out including GM Terminator seeds, could Chem Trails be responsible for the massive Bat Die-offs due to a fungus from White Nose Syndrome, frog funguses, lizard funguses, etc?
    After all, what gets spewed out in four plumes by some very high-flying silent white planes must drift down and everything is exposed to this, including all exposed vegetation and even the oceans.
    [Reply: the subject of chemtrails is frowned upon here, and should be avoided. ~dbs, mod.]

  90. The Climate Change/Global Warming issue seems to be tied in to AGENDA 21 and the United Nations. Please also be aware of the Club of Rome and the Rockefellers.
    Also, it is interesting that some environmentalists and the Climate Change, Earth Day/hour people, etc don’t seem to care at all about Depleted uranium from our perpetual wars or the Pentagon and its perpetual wars. Nor do they care about GM terminator seeds or fluoridated water.
    Also, they have remained silent when they should be recognizing those who actually became ill from chemicals such as Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrome, MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensivity) and the survivors-rescue workers of 9/11. I’m surprised that Christine Todd Whitman-formerly of the EPA was left completely off the hook for lying about the quality of the 9/11 air. These “environmentalists” and Climate Change people don’t breathe a word in defense of the people ill with Agent Orange, GWS, MCS, etc. Instead, they’ve left them at the mercy of the Mainstream Media who either completely ignores them or slanders them with comments such as, “They have unmet psychiatric issues,” they have “Mass Hysteria,”, they’re chemophobes, Chicken Littles, psychosomatic lazy malingerers and want money and special attention.
    Having a moderate level of MCS myself, I’m finding myself not getting any attention at all, especially because of people like: John Stossel, Dean Edell, think tank/foundation people such as: Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch, Ronald Gotts, Elizabeth Whelan, Steven Milloy and especially Michael Fumento of the Hudson Institute (who was particularly nasty with us). As for “Mass hysteria,” it took me a few years to understand what happened and everyone I knew thought I was crazy.
    The doctors who are heavily courted by the drug/pesticide representatives didn’t help out either. The typical scenario seems to be that allergy tests are run which come out negative and then they referr us to psychiatrists.
    Before I go, I have to mention that no doctor I saw checked out the CNS (Central nervous system), checked for a damaged blood-brain barrier or looked for defective or missing enzymes such as (Paraoxenase and/or Cholinesterace).
    The MSM (Mainstream Media) also never mentions these things and they certainly do not mention MARTIN PALL’S important work on MCS either.
    So, when ALL of the above is ignored by these Climate Change/Global Warming & Earth Month/Day/Hour people and some environmentalists, there is something seriously wrong and they’re nothing but phoney baloneys.

  91. Since when is CO2 bad>? Isn’t it what plants use to breathe? Aren’t the tree huggers aware that the more CO2 we make the more trees and other green things there will be. This is all just more junk science with the intent to control the masses. The majority of the comments on this article bear out that many people realize this yet the media and so called scientists (more like social scientists) continue to promote lies such as this and global warming. Yet they have the gall to go after Mcdonalds for promoting fast food by selling toys to kids (which they have done for years, sugary cereal makers, Mattel, MTV all mass market to youth) but the junk sci guys are doing the same, targeting youth to promote their agenda!!! (mom, dad, don’t do that, it will melt the ice, we gotta save polar bears!)

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