MOSCOW, April 23 (UPI) — A Russian scientist says the Arctic may be getting colder, not warmer, which would hamper the international race to discover new mineral fields.
An Arctic cold snap that began in 1998 could last for years, freezing the northern marine passage and making it impassable without icebreaking ships, said Oleg Pokrovsky of the Voeikov Main Geophysical Observatory.
“I think the development of the shelf will face large problems,” Pokrovsky said Thursday at a seminar on research in the Polar regions.
Scientists who believe the climate is warming may have been misled by data from U.S. meteorological stations located in urban areas, where dense microclimates creates higher temperatures, RIA Novosti quoted Pokrovsky as saying. “Politicians who placed their bets on global warming may lose the pot,” Pokrovsky said.
h/t to CTM
Jeff (14:43:25) :
roughly, “Naturally there won’t be an Ice Age, but (nevertheless) the temperatures will fall to the levels of the cold decade(s) from 1950 to 1960
It’s not that part that caught my eye. The German source has:-
Seit etwa 1998 kühle das Klima ab
Google translates as:- Since about 1998 the climate cool off.
The http://www.upi.com article has:- An Arctic cold snap that began in 1998
As you can see they are not the same thing. I’m not sure what the original source is but the German version is accurate using UAH data and the English version is very wrong.
blackswhitewash.com (14:51:07) :
The alternative translation would suggest someone has their wires crossed. Only a nut or a mistranslation would claim the arctic has been in a ten year cold snap.
Why so? It is the winds that determine how much ice does or does not get pushed out of the Arctic to melt, not the temperature. The Sea Ice is not fixed like the land in Siberia or Canada is. Why would it be nuts to have a cold snap in the Arctic??
‘Politicians who placed their bets on global warming may lose their pot’
They already lost the plot.
The AMO is linked to Arctic temps and ice amount possibly via changes in the North Atlantic Drift. With the AMO heading south Arctic temps are likely to follow.
The strongly negative AO this winter was probably not a freak event, but a change in trend, expect more of the same.
wws (12:51:03) :
What irony! The Russians have embraced empirical scientific standards, while our elites have embraced the scientific standards of Lysenko
It’s probably their experience of Lysenkoism that makes them now truly skeptical.
Lon Hocker (14:52:28) :
enough intelligent folks will recognize that we cannot spend our way to prosperity, and our government will stop throwing money away.
only after the money runs out; until then, it’s gravy train time babe!
Henry chance (15:04:22) :
8 inches of snow in Denver today. Must be some sneaky kids had a school prayer answered.
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No Henry, there was not 8 inches of snow in Denver today, but we did get some in the higher terrain south and west of town. We might get some tonight, and that would be appropriate as April is one of Denver’s snowiest months…
The arctic has actually been warming while the globe as a whole has stood still. The reason is that at the turn of the twentieth century a rearrangement of the North Atlantic current system began to direct warm tropical waters towards the Arctic Ocean. It is quite likely that the Gulf Stream northern extension between Iceland and Scandinavia is responsible for that. It keeps the Russian arctic ports ice free by having melted approximately a third of the arctic sea ice that would exist in its absence. But the warming was not uniform, paused in mid-century, and then started up again in the seventies. Kaufman et al. last November showed that this warming interrupted a two thousand year old cooling period which they attributed to orbital variations. If you look at their temperature curve it looks like another hockey stick only this one is real, for other sources have reported the same twentieth century warming. While Kaufman himself wants to attribute it to carbon dioxide greenhouse effect this is completely impossible for two reasons. First, the warming itself is confined to the arctic, and second, we know that the partial pressure of carbon dioxide did not take a jump at the turn of the century as required by the laws of physics if it is the cause of warming. The mid-century pause in warming was very likely caused by a rearrangement of currents and if there is another pause coming that will also be its likely cause. I don’t know where the Russians get their info but if they have been tracking ocean currents they may be on the right track. See “What Warming?” available on Amazon.com for more info on the Arctic.
Has anyone run a simulation of previous, extended cold periods against current food production to determine just how bad things might get?
Ironic: Google popped a Scientology.org ad on this article. And here I’ve labeled the “Hockey Team” as climate scientologists…
Even the Russians have figured it out … ‘misled’ as in Soviet Union?
“Scientists who believe the climate is warming may have been misled by data from U.S. meteorological stations located in urban areas, where dense microclimates creates higher temperatures, RIA Novosti quoted Pokrovsky as saying.”
Well that and a little secret late night computer elixir.
Well while the Russians were thinking about this; it turns out that a group of “200 experts in geosciences and other scientific and policy disciplines met at Asilomar near Pacific Grove on the Monterey Peninsula (CA) to confront a new kind of risky research: large scale geoengineering projects aimed at countering the buildup of greenhouse gases in the attmosphere.”
Now Asilomar is one of those “retreat” places, that is often frequented by people with some kind of mental disorder or another. The pristine sea air of the California Coast, and Monterey in particular is just what is needed to calm these nut jobs into some semblence of normalcy.
So a perfect place for these geo-engineers and “policy makers.”
One of their inventions is a monster CO2 sucker (their term for it) to extract CO2 from the atmosphere.
It is very simple in concept; you simply pass the entire atmosphere through a battery of sucking fans; and a horde of government paid Maxwell’s Demons, grab each CO2 molecule as it comes through and exterminates it.
Well some of them get “Sequestered; because we already have too much Oxygen; while others get recycled, to extract some Oxygen and leave behind some carbon.
Presumably the carbon gets turned into high modulus carbon fibres to make the near zero weight carbon fiber automobiles of tomorrow; while the rest gets used to make carbon fiber fly rods, so we can all relax on a trout stream after our Asilomar deprogramming.
The CO2 sucker fans are about the size od an average, house and the have a four high stack of them that forms a fence that disappears in the distance; Tehy may be contemplating the use of this fencing material for the US/Mexico border fence; well that is if they can agree on whether to suck north or south.
Well some of the early part of this “Asilomar-2 International Conference On Climate Intervention Technology” is described in detail in SCIENCE vol 328 for April 2 2010.
It seems the issue is just one day off the silly day, that should have been reserved for this “retreat ” for crazy people.
Apaprently most of the usual suspects were there; such as the Sierra Club; and also the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; who if Dr Chu’s absence, probably need another gravy train or two to request funding for.
Yes your tax dollars at work; and remember this was an International gravy train.
Now I have always been a fan of extracting hydrogen from water so we can burn it to get free clean green renewable energy; but now they have this even more ingenious idea; to do the same thing with CO2, and extract the carbonto burn for fuel; which will enable the world to shut down all the coal mining forever.
Isn’t that wonderful ?
R. Gates (16:00:34) :
We are now into the fourth weekend of the kid soccer season, and so far have managed to have every Saturday either snowed out, rained out, or just miserably cold. Same pattern as four the last seven or eight soccer seasons.
I’ve taken to playing indoors because the spring/fall weather has become so cold in Colorado.
Steve Goddard and A Arrak. A cursory look at all years of 80o North temp data from DMI Link here WUWT) shows no trend, although this year 2010 so far, looks pretty “normal” (to me anyway). Still trying to determine if AMSU temp data is due to ONE big hot spot somewhere because COLA shows land temps cooling/below anomaly nearly everywhere on the globe (idem last month BTW), Maybe sea temps are rising dramatically?
It’s a classic KGB-type double misdirection aimed at confusing the world into inaction on CO2 thereby continuing global warming and resulting in achiveing their 5 year plan of greater agriculture and warm beaches in Siberia. “Nyet?”
I don’t believe there are any issues with agricultural food production right now because of the increase in global CO2 levels. I have seen estimates that indicate the production of food could increase by an average of 20% per acre over the next 50 years. If the earth cools down we may need that extra capacity just to feed the citizens of this planet. If the earth warms up,we should be looking at very reasonable for prices into the foreseeable future. Our biggest problem is the globalists that want to control the agenda both politically and economically of this planet. Fortunately the Internet is here to help keep them honest. Monsters like Hitler Stalin and Mao can no longer control the information agenda the way they did 50 or 60 years ago.
I saw that story yesterday. Am I wrong in thinking that fungi do better in cooler wetter conditions, not warmer?
MartinGAtkins (15:24:58)
The http://www.upi.com article has:- An Arctic cold snap that began in 1998
As you can see they are not the same thing. I’m not sure what the original source is but the German version is accurate using UAH data and the English version is very wrong.
Yes, you’re right, there’s nothing at all about a cold snap in the German
version (12 years from 1998 to now would constitute a rather slow snap…).
Odder still is navigating to the English version of the Russian site and picking up the article there, which is similar (but not completely like) the UPI article, including the snap. I wonder what was actually said by
Pokrovsky…maybe I missed that (like I did the original UPI article, sorry about that Anthony…kind of late here)….over at scienceblogs.com there are reports of the Google translator providing NSFW translations of Icelandic volcano names, locations, etc. (at least these translations weren’t *that* bad…).
-Jeff (back to lurk mode before I goof up again….)
The Russians have been saying for years that their ground stations in Siberia are getting progressively colder, particularly since 1998. AGW have dealt with this by ignoring the data the Russians provide. But the Russians have huge ground data sources, but very limited sea resources.
I’ve been wondering about the trolls too. Its not nearly as much fun to post sarcastic remarks without them providing all the material to be sarcastic about. I am frankly, concerned, they are my source of inspiration after all. Did they volunteer to help feed the starving polar bears and were consumed by their task? Did they become so angered by the last few reports of fraud that they flew into a rage and spontaneously combusted? Have they disengaged from the battle of wits because they have run out of ammunition? Meaning they are witless?
I do note there was a nasty broadside launched in regard to the proper use of it’s or its. I solemnly resolve, having no idea at all which to use when, though I write it down several times and lost the note every time, that going forward I shall replace both with itz.
The Russians are fooling us. They want to convince us global cooling is happening so we start moving south and they can grab the arctic for themselves. They, at least have their wits about them.
Who said if the Arctic ice melts that polar bears can’t adapt? Here are some rock climbing polar bears!!! Maybe this is how they survived previous warm periods.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8622000/8622244.stm
As long as Hansen et al are in charge of the temp. record, we will never see temps going down. just look at what he did to the ‘cooling’ trend in the 50-70’s!!
Steven Goddard said:
I’ve taken to playing indoors because the spring/fall weather has become so cold in Colorado.
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Yep, been there and done that in Colorado. My kids are a bit older now and off to College, but springtimes are always quite unpredictable here. April is the 3rd snowiest month for Denver, and I always wondered why they made the soccer season start in March (the snowiest month for Denver). What are they thinking?
After all the cancelled games, we always ended up playing 2 make-up games the same day, and by the second half of the second game, the kids were barely walking up and down the field!
How many of you are aware the Russians maintain a base at the North Pole?
Weather now?
“April 18, 2010
Coordinates: N 89° 11′ and E 83° 06′.
Temperature -17°С. A wind northeast, 5 m/s. Atmospheric pressure of 760 mm hg”
Won’t find it headlined on the western ‘web.
“The construction of the sauna was completed to everyone’s joy and a celebratory “bath” took place in the evening.”
So much for silly people dragging sleds to the pole… and missing. Now there is a reason, frozen bedraggled fool crawls up to the warm Russian base, with helicopter, jet transports and so on. Can’t do that, pains the ego, call in western support, angst, in great peril plucked from the jaws of certain death.
Lets rub in the stupidity…
“Today, early in the morning, at 5 am to be precise, a group of Russian tourists arrived at Barneo camp.” dated a few days ago.
First, what they fly in using
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-74
Kind of says little.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barneo
http://www.barneo.ru
Anthony: I read the Russian article in its German form before I read pgosselin’s translation. In my opinion, he did a very accurate translation.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/another-polar-rescue-must-send/story-e6frfhqf-1225856131380
Maybe those Ruskies know a thing or two about the Arctic after all. Maybe Big Al was just spouting shyte …