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From Andrew Bolt’s blog at the Herald Sun:
Professor John Quiggin complains of smears by sceptics:
In recent years, science and scientific institutions have come under increasingly vociferous attack, with accusations of fraud, incompetence and even aspirations to world domination becoming commonplace… Scientists have been constrained in fighting back by the fact that they are ethically constrained to be honest, whereas their opponents lie without any compunction.
Ethically unconstrained, Professor John Quiggin smears a sceptic:
In writing my previous post on the “Climategate” break-in to the University of East Anglia computer system, I remained unclear about who was actually responsible for the break-in theft of the emails, which were then selectively quoted to promote a bogus allegation of scientific fraud. Looking over the evidence that is now available, I think there is enough to point to Steven McIntyre as the person, along with the actual hacker or leaker, who bears primary moral responsibility for the crime…
So, to sum up, McIntyre organised the campaign which led to the creation of the file, obtained information from the CRU file system by means he declined to reveal, received the stolen emails shortly after the theft and made dishonest and defamatory use of the stolen information. Whether or not he was directly involved in the theft, or merely created the opportunity and benefited from the proceeds is impossible to determine, and essentially irrelevant.
OK professor, let’s see your evidence beyond this missive.
Somebody needs to educate Quiggin on the CRU ftp security blunder that was “the mole”. He doesn’t get it, and then proceeds to use that as “evidence” against McIntyre. It’s comical.
Here’s Professor Quiggin’s page at the University of Queensland:
http://www.uq.edu.au/economics/johnquiggin/
http://www.uq.edu.au/economics/index.html?page=15898
Just another frustrated economist forever stuck in academia making another baseless allegation on an issue he has no idea about.
The CRU files were LEAKED they weren’t hacked. This is the ‘history deniers’ way of trying to smear again. IT experts investigating the leak have confirmed that a hack into the system, especially with such selectivity was impossible.
The ‘history deniers’ cannot bear to think that one of their own would rat on them and betray their ’cause’. So in their eyes, the best defence is to attack after all. Isn’t that right Al, James, Paul, Rajendra, Stephen, Kevin, Mike and Phil?!
And isn’t that right Professor Quiggin?
This terrible harassment of the keepers of climate secrets must stop… Stop I tell you!!!!
Do you really expect these scientist saviors of our perilously fragile planet to take even ONE moment away from their important work to answer a question?
Believe them… they only have your best interests at heart…
John M @ur momisugly 16:03:23
Shhh. Wren’s much more fun naive.
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ack – not my university. I think I’ll have to find a way to complain through the alumni organisation.
Why do academics from other disciplines keep getting involved in this business?
Simple Logic…
There wouldn’t be so many requests if the information sought was publicly available in the first place…
Of course, hiding information vital to the survival of our species on this planet shouldn’t be publicly available…
Wouldn’t want the rubes questioning the Dogma… They might actually start to think for themselves… eh…
Oh well, since the cat is out of the bag anyway. Wren, those FOIA requests were merely to see if Jones’ claimed excuse for not yielding data was true. Now, go check whether those confidentiality agreements were real or not and also, while you’re at it, wonder about the data he claimed he couldn’t reveal because of those agreements.
Wondering about the data should bring you up to date. We all wonder as we wander through this maze of disinformation.
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Cassandra King Said:
“R Gates,
Your statements border on the ludicrous, to state that feb temps are the “6th warmest ever” is misleading. How many times have we heard the ‘warmest ever’ quote while the actual timeline is missing.
How many years does the record go back and what source are you using and what is the actual anomoly?
You also state that the southern hemisphere temperature for jan/feb is the fifth highest on record, but again how long does the record go back and what source are you quoting from? Does it not occur to you temperatures are actually falling when you make statements like “fifth highest on record”?
Your silliest quote however regarding arctic temperatures being “generally running well above average” and yet again you provide no actual temperatures to back up this frankly wierd assertion(I wonder why?…”
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Oh, where to begin? First of all, I didn’t just pull these figures out of a hat, or make them up, but they come right from the latest climate data available, the really, there is nothing ludicrous about it. For the latest monthly analysis of data, including how warm it has been in January and February, simply go here:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global&year=2010&month=2&submitted=Get+Report
It is a wealth of “ludicrous” information, and would serve you well to read it.
For sea ice data, go here:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/get-file.php?report=global&file=nh-seaice&year=2010&month=2&ext=gif
and here:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
For recent arctic temps go here:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=2&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=02&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg
or here:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/
and click on Make Map.
The arctic and antarctic have been running warm for many years actually, despite the tripe that you hear and read.
For tropospheric temps (which are extremely critical in the whole AGW model by the way), best just to go here:
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
and explore over many years at all different altitudes, including into the stratosphere, where temps are dropping, just as predicted by AGWT. This is actually hard for AGW skeptics to explain. How could tropospheric temps be rising, but statospheric temps be falling? No AGW skeptic has explained a model of how this would be the case, but AGWT accounts for it perfectly.
So, if you look for the real data, you can find it, as ludicrous as that sounds, and I believe that a reasonable person would have to be more convinced that AGWT is probably right, than probably wrong. I at about 75% convinced, and I’d love someone to show me some REAL data to persuade me differently–and not some graph put up on an AGW skeptics web site, that doesn’t show where the data came from, how it was gathered, who gathered it, etc. I want science…not politics.
Here’s the irony Big Bird. While Jones and his Team cry crocodile tears over the harassment of the FOIA requests, in fact his lies were being nailed onto the wall for everyone to see.
Get thee to your ophalmologist, the Eagle, for advice on how to read the writing on the wall.
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Jonathan Baxter (14:19:40) :
You will excuse me but Australia seems to be full of really dumb organizations/institutions/governments/universities run by really dumb scientists. Having done considerable successful research there I can confirm this. Did you know you cannot light a wood barbecue in your backyard anywhere in Australia? (Its illegal). It is probably the most over-regulated, over-governed, over-rated, expensive country in the world. Even the Swedes find it (the rules and regulations)! Personal freedoms have been reduced to nothing. Basically its a country run by lawyers and this is one reason they will not let go of AGW easily. I invite anybody to go there and check it out.
Veronica (England) said:
“R Gates
Surely you have been hanging out here long enough to realise that the temperature data is of dubious quality?”
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Actually, I’ve been studying climate and physics long enough to know that the majority of the data is quite good and we are fortunate enough to live in a time when we have access to such amazing resources, and if we check and double check, we’ll eventually find the truth. Yes, there have been some outrageous errors made, and yes, some of the data needs to be simply thrown out, but taken in totality, I am 75% convinced that the AGWT is correct, meaning of course , that I am a 25% skeptic, and probably will always be so.
Here’s what I am waiting for:
1) Will 2010 (or possibly 2011) turn out to be the warmest year on instrument record? So far, the trend looks very favorable based on the global warmth we’ve seen in Jan. & Feb.) If 2010 does turn out to be warmer than 1998 or 2003 (depending on which data you’re using, and they were close), then how do the AGW skeptics account for that? 1998’s El Nino was stronger than the current El Nino, plus we’ve just come through the deepest solar minimum in a century, so if the potential record heat in 2010 is not caused by GH gases, than what will the skeptics attribute it to?
2) Will the arctic sea ice fall lower in 2010 during the summer minimum in September than it did in 2008 or 2009? In other words, will it approach the 2007 low? I don’t think it will go lower this year, but should go lower than 2008 or 2009. If it does, how do the AGW skeptics account for it, despite the fact that we’ve just gone through a century record deep solar minimum? AGWT has made clear projection and clearly stated that the sun is not as big a component as GH gases in driving the climate. It’s right there, on the line prediction…the arctic sea ice should decline and continue to decline on an annual basis until at some point this century, the arctic will be ice free in the summer. Pretty clear…pretty observable and testable hypothesis. And the FACT is, (despite the completely vacuous hype you hear) is that the arctic sea ice has not been in a positive anomaly state for 6 years now…
Von Adamski (16:06:19) :
I like it!
R. Gates (16:52:53) :
If none of those things happen, how will CAGWers account for that?
Actually, as a lukewarmer, I suspect we will get a record at some point. Call me when we reach Hansen’s Scenerio B.
Quiggin is used to having his opinions fawned over by the drones who comment regularly on his site. Disagreement leads to banning.
So he probably thought he could get away with his McIntyre post.
Actually, he banned me a couple of weeks ago. Since then, his weird logic has been noted in other blogs, and now hit the global audience with his attack on Steve McIntyre.
It’s karma!
R Gates @ur momisugly 16:52:53
You yammer on about the recent Solar Minimum like you understand the sun’s link to climate. Clue us in, please; we’re all breathless.
And the heat now is from the strong El Nino. This is a Las Ninas predominant phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. What are you going to say next year when it is colder?
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In regard to the libel in Australian law losses do not have to be proven. Damages are at large. In addition to general or compensatory damages McIntyre would be awarded aggravated damages due to Quiggen’s hostility and motive. In addition to that he would have a strong argument for punitive damages to deter other chancers. McIntyre should sue the mad prof, University of Queensland and any of the warmist smart arses that have repeated the slander.
Happy hunting.
I would suggest a strongly worded letter to the University where he is employed written by a lawyer and demanding an immediate public apology and retraction.
Jimbo (16:33:44) :
Jonathan Baxter (14:19:40) :
“Quiggin has been altering his post in what looks like an attempt to make it less defamatory. Quiggin already shut down comments after it was pointed out in his thread that his post was likely defamatory.”
This won’t get to court. He is already backtracking hard and is sure to backtrack more should McIntyre shoot off a letter from his lawyer
Jimbo this wont help him to in defense to a finding of publishing a defamation. Snivelling and whining “sorry mate” will only mitigate the payout. Nor will the streaker defense – seemed like a good idea at the time. His only viable defense is insanity. No doubt caused by too much sun. Its called the warmist defense.
Quiggy is a demoralized provincial hack who probably couldn’t argue his way out of a rhetorical wet paper bag. Obviously, he’s upset. His whole life’s work has been revealed to be based on rubbish. Hope he’s got tenure and a well topped up super.
Whoever liberated the CRU emails is a great hero, a defiant revolutionary if he/she was an outside hacker or a a brave whistle blower if he/she is a Team associate. Only anti-science reactionaries and group-think collectivists oppose transparency and reform in the conduct of climatology, by whatever means necessary.
To grasp the hypocrisy of Qiggy’s position one only has to imagine if the hack/whistleblowing had occurred to an institution renown for AGW skepticism. Al Gore and James Hansen have repeatedly called for civil disobedience against anyone who doubts AGW. They have only received what they have wished many times upon others.
Climategate will become as much a part of science history as the Piltdown Mann episode. It has been a great honor to have merely hung out on Watts’ and McIntyre’s sites as witness to Anthony, Steve, Mosher, Jeff Id, Lucia, et al, deconstruction of the AGW artifice one rusted-on fallacy at a time. Together they have pioneered a whole new system for the review, testing and dissemination of scientific ideas that will no doubt lead to reforms in the peer review process as it is now practiced.
Being an Australian and a Queenslander, my observations are, 90% of people that have a rat hanging out of their mouth, consider themselves intellectually superior or own a sail boat !
But I think poor Quiggin has just has his head on up side down.
Our Little Stevie…….
I’m so proud of him….
I hope he lodges a complaint with the University, and then a Law Suit. I assume Aussi Universities have a code of Ethics? But then again, when it comes to Climate, it is clear to all that there is no ethics to be found anywhere.
R. Gates (16:52:53) :
Veronica (England) said:
“R Gates
Surely you have been hanging out here long enough to realise that the temperature data is of dubious quality?”
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Actually, I’ve been studying climate and physics long enough to know that the majority of the data is quite good and we are fortunate enough to live in a time when we have access to such amazing resources, and if we check and double check, we’ll eventually find the truth. Yes, there have been some outrageous errors made, and yes, some of the data needs to be simply thrown out, but taken in totality, I am 75% convinced that the AGWT is correct, meaning of course , that I am a 25% skeptic, and probably will always be so.
Here’s what I am waiting for:
1) Will 2010 (or possibly 2011) turn out to be the warmest year on instrument record?
Reply: I don’t think many of us who post here have the same confidence in the temperature collection methodology as you seem to have. Manipulating the location of stations, situating them adjacent to airports etc. seems to add a bit of a statistical bias in my book…
2) Will the arctic sea ice fall lower in 2010 during the summer minimum in September than it did in 2008 or 2009? In other words, will it approach the 2007 low? I don’t think it will go lower this year, but should go lower than 2008 or 2009. If it does, how do the AGW skeptics account for it, despite the fact that we’ve just gone through a century record deep solar minimum?
Reply: As of today’s reading, the Arctic ice sea extent is about 1 million square kilometers beyond the mean for 2006-2007, and appears to be in an upward direction:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
If the sea ice continues to build, how will AGW sycophants account for it to their funding agencies?
The battle is on for the hearts and minds of the public and politicians, and climatologists shot themselves in both feet with the Climategate disclosures. All of us in the sciences are paying for this, let me assure you.
Please come back, this is an excellent place for debate. p.s. Anthony, would you please remove Quiggen’s photo from the top of this post? Every time I open the site, I scare my dog!!
I am truly embarrassed to live in a country where such behaviour is tolerated from university academics. Making unsubstantiated slurs against another person’s character should immediately be reprimanded IMHO. The guy clearly hasn’t got both oars in the water.
I think a duel would be appropriate.
Give the prof a sword and give SM a machine gun.
Mirosalv Pavlíček (10:25:29) :
Have you seen Václav Klaus’ writings on ‘global warming’? He also see structural similarities to communism in it.