On the Credibility of Climate Research, Part II: Towards Rebuilding Trust

Foreword – Below is  a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.

I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.

To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:

An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science

Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony


Judith  Curry

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology

I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will.  I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org.  Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting.  Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them.  I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.

Losing the Public’s Trust

Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust.  Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”  While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.

Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust.  While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust.  The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities.   Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change.  Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.

The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment.  They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.”  They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.

Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate.  The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records.   There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II):  has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process?  If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified.  Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.

In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised.   Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists.  There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it.  However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity.  And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public.  Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.  This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.

Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened.  Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved.   Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.

The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming

Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed.  In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”.  I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago.  Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.

In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change.  Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe.  This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born.  During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences.  The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness.  In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”.  Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.

In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut.  The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described:  participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review.  Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests.   As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut.  Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre.  The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.

Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere

Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there.  Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs.  The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.

So who are the climate auditors?  They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia.  Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence.  They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.

So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia?  Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard.  Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.”  Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product.  Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight.  Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.

So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry.   Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests.  And climategate was the result.

So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)?  Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.  On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,

are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.

Towards Rebuilding Trust

Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”   Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately.  Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State.  Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.

Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance.  How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard.  The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls.  Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.

The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.  Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience.   People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic.  But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged.  My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by  discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.

And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research.  “Dueling blogs”  (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed.  Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.   Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate.  The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated).  While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use.  The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.

No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.”  Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda.  There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.

And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.

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Jean Parisot
February 24, 2010 4:50 pm

Can someone scan in one of their “big oil” checks, I haven’t gotten mine and would like to show the kids.

geo
February 24, 2010 4:52 pm

@Willis–
Oh, tho re my previous, the comparison to GHCN does come to a screeching halt in your favor re transparency in the process, at least!

Henry chance
February 24, 2010 4:52 pm

Some poster on the Guardian did a little summary.
Climate scientists have to expect some reaction from the general public when:
1. They promote the Hockey Stick (revealed as a fabrication by bloggers)
2. Adjust the temperature record in an unjustified fashion (caught by bloggers)
3. Publish tree ring chronologies based on a tiny fraction of available trees to produce the desired effect (Yamal – discovered by bloggers)
4. Use Tiljander series upside-down so that the present looks warmer (caught by bloggers)
5. Make unsubstantiated claims regarding Himalayan glaciers (revealed by bloggers?)
6. Fabricate disaster loss data (caught by scientist who also blogs)
7. The CRU dog-ate-the-data affair
8. Climategate
9….
My response, Yes we have been given rational reasons to distrust the Warming apologists.
Judith does a soft sell warmist agenda. Joe Romm does a loud more threatening style of trying to scare us into becoming believers.
I can see thru both tactics.
Judith is on the IPCC review and seemingly endorsed the WWF style stories about poor indians losing a drink of water as soon as the glaciers are dried up. It is the fault of conservatives driving pick up trucks and eating beefsteaks for dinner.

PhilJourdan
February 24, 2010 5:01 pm

IsoTherm

If I’m not mistaken the next phase in this “war” is going to be endless engagement asking us to contribute to this and that and that and this and this and that consultation, hoping that eventually by the shere exhaustion of being listened to so much that we will give up.

Close – but the purpose is to say they tried, and skeptics rejected them. They will ask and ask and ask, and then reject and reject and reject. Obama is playing that game now on other issues, and I see no reason for the rest of the group to think they can win with it too.

John Van Krimpen.
February 24, 2010 5:06 pm

Hi Judith.
My previous trade, was bank manager. My degree is Maths Stats and Computing a long time back. Hardly used it, a bit of systems design but mostly I worked in SME business finance.
I am at loss to understand your explanation as to loss of integrity. Your guild highest to lowest in the least committed the sin of ommission, you stood by and watched if not actually inciting intolerance and hatred, against people asking legitmate questions about their lives.
You spoke down to equals, you silenced equals
It was all OK business as usual, they don’t matter, smear away, until the train left the rails. So now you come saying Trust and trust and trust, and blah and blah trust.
There is nothing wrong with science. The science method did not fail. The science principles did not fail. Over paid arrogant Public servants with science degrees did not do the basic job of peer review, did not apply the critical thinking skills necessary in charge of extrmely expensive science departments and most of all were not honest to the public. Did not have the courage to say to policy makers and advocates with cheque books, hang on, we are just hypothesising at this stage. Scientists said they had a proof and they didn’t so they tried to silence legitmate science debate.
We can all scream about the political and financial carpet baggers and the advocates in their zealotry and should.
But the link was broken by people like you. The way forward is to do what this blog does. Inform release data and method.
And most of all, never utilise or support intolerance. Science in it’s essence is free thinking.
With those letters behind your name on your letter head comes responsibility. Speak to the truth, try it, it might work.
The way forward is open source, science especially public service science thrives best in open source.
You could try apologising to the M&Ms and a thousand others slimed, but I dont think they care. I dont think apologies matter I think actions matter more than a mere mea culpae.
Nice first step. Still got a mile to go.

latitude
February 24, 2010 5:10 pm

Good Lord Judith, with all due respect, the “scientists” are not the victims here.

Jerry Haney
February 24, 2010 5:12 pm

If the CRU and Mann did not know that their science was either puposely wrong or just plain wrong, they would have made their data and code available to anyone who asked. They tried to cover up what they knew was a sham.

geo
February 24, 2010 5:14 pm

@PhilJourdan (17:01:42) :
Surely it is as much of a counterproductive mistake for us to think of a monolithic “they” as it for them to think of us as a monolithic “they”?

Jim
February 24, 2010 5:24 pm

“In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change. Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe”
Starting with this quote is problematic. Dr Bolin took a hand in getting
Dr Henk Tennekes dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society for not following the AGW party line.
Part of the tone of the article that was problenmatic was the implied characterisation as ALL scientists are AGW believers, while only
bloggers are skeptics. There are many scientists, who have doubts
about the technical correctness of many works on AGW warming.
There are in fact many scientists who have severe reservations about
the departure from accepted scientific norms about conduct and
data access that are all to common in clmate science.
So far there are 256 names on the petition at the APS requesting that
the APS council shift their stance of climate change to a position
other than blind acceptance of the APS.
(APS = American Physical Society).
One interesting question that would be interesting to answer,
exactly how many data requests had Jones received before he first
mentions that he will be seeking to evade any FOI requests in the
climategate emails? The climate science community, through its
organs of Science and Nature, has painted a picture of scientists
besieged by FOI requests and therefore being provoked into
unethical conduct. I suspect that a forensic examination of the
Jones emails might reveal that it was unethical conduct that provoked
a deluge of FOI requests, not the other way around.
Trust in climate science needs to begin with unimpeachable ethical
conduct by climate scientists themselves. That means expunging
the phrase “big oil denial machine” from the debate as an excuse
for what is unacceptable behaviour.

Jim
February 24, 2010 5:25 pm

Re: I meant
“blind acceptance of the IPCC” in the comment above.

Richard Sharpe
February 24, 2010 5:31 pm

If Denying for Dollars is so lucrative, how do I sign up?

rc
February 24, 2010 5:32 pm

“No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.” Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda. There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.”
No one? Really? So, are you going to have a talk with Al Gore, Obama, the Democrat Party in the US and every other person who as demagogued the world public with this line?

Memory Vault
February 24, 2010 5:49 pm

All this from someone who, only a few months ago summed up the entire “skeptic” movement as, quote:
“That political noise machine out there somewhere”.
Nuff said.

Alan F
February 24, 2010 5:56 pm

Was I supposed to laugh out loud at the “The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.” line? Truth as presented or fiction at its finest?

lcs
February 24, 2010 6:00 pm

I’d like to see an argument succeed or fail because of its validity rather than the affiliation of the person making it. The day that happens is the day I’ll start trusting scientists like Dr. Curry and Mr Mann.

Alex Heyworth
February 24, 2010 6:02 pm

Fair enough article. What I think has been missed is that the decline in trust of climate science in the public mind is in part due to the boy having cried wolf too often. Stephen Schneider was wrong. If you keep offering up scary scenarios, sure you get attention initially, but when the scary scenarios fail to materialize the public soon switch off. If you then keep on offering the scare stories, the reaction becomes negative.
IMHO, climate scientists would have been better served keeping their heads down and getting on with the real work, even refusing to talk to reporters. (Of course, some of the more sensible have indeed done this.)
The IPCC lead authors carry a lot of the blame. They have been far to sure of themselves, whether from hubris, selection bias, groupthink or whatever. They should have been much firmer in resisting political pressure. Instead they gave in and exerted their own pressure on other (more doubting) climate scientists, leading to a number of outstanding scientists withdrawing from the IPCC process (eg Landsea, Lindzen, Pierrehumbert).

Editor
February 24, 2010 6:06 pm

One person sez …

Willis Eschenbach, “Here is that digest:” … thanks.

and Leif Svalgaard says …

Willis, how about a digest of your post? 🙂

Cracked me up.
Finally, from Gary Hladik

At least one commenter has suggested this be placed as a rebuttal just behind Dr. Curry’s article. I suggest instead that Willis submit an expanded version to WUWT as a “regular” article.
REPLY: Works for me, up to you Willis. -A

Sounds good, give me a day or two. It’s an important issue.

r
February 24, 2010 6:08 pm

I didn’t get my “big oil” check either.
Nor did I get a “big government” check,
Nor a “big green energy” check,
Nor a “big university” check,
(…But what I really want is tenure.)

woodNfish
February 24, 2010 6:15 pm

I suppose this essay is somewhat of a start considering it was Dr. Curry who said not too long ago that any climate scientist or meteorologist who didn’t toe the AGW party line should be fired.
However I will not be ready to even consider trusting ANY climate science or climate scientist until the housecleaning is complete. And it has not yet begun. All the regular suspects are still in their positions except for Jones and his removal is only temporary. I want some legal prosecutions for fraud with prison time, and I won’t be satisfied with anything less.

Claude Harvey
February 24, 2010 6:16 pm

Well, Judith’s effort certainly generated lots of comments. I think I’d discount the lot if I were her (my previous contribution included) and focus on the following:
Re: latitude (17:10:19) :
“Good Lord Judith, with all due respect, the “scientists” are not the victims here.”

Allan M
February 24, 2010 6:20 pm

Dr. Curry;
“Monolithic denial machine?” In the words of an American sportsman: “You can’t be serious.”
I hope you will wade through all the comments and understand just what a ludicrous idea this is. What I see is a spontaneous upwelling of anger and frustration driving an enormous amount of study by a great number of real people.
As always, the method is to blame the opposition for exactly one’s own traits. As soon as the politicos decide that everyone on their side has to sing from the same hymn sheet then ordinary people with no more than common sense know they are being manipulated. They are not stupid enough, not nearly as much as academics and politicians, to trust them again. And they won’t forget.
———–
Jerome Ravetz (14:17:16) :
And the hidden agenda is to let people who talk rubbish, dissemble and manipulate get away with it.
————
Antonio San (12:51:52) :
Hilarious!
Joe Romm and his goons are not happy at all and the response here is also unhappiness! So many people unhappy… like hormone pumped pimpled teenagers!
If only!
Perhaps next time I could make a better job of it.
———
IsoTherm (16:42:26) :
Brown who also looked a berk.
He doesn’t have to work at it.

February 24, 2010 6:28 pm

Willis Eschenbach (18:06:56) :
Sounds good, give me a day or two. It’s an important issue./i>
don’t forget the digest.

February 24, 2010 6:31 pm

When the words global warming were replaced with the words climate change
I think that is when I started to take a interest
Of course the climate changes all the time I don’t think anyone will argue.
But man made global warming, after looking at both sides of the argument it was easy to say the alarmists were just peddling crap science for money.
You just had to put global warming on your grant application and you got money thrown at you.
Ask Al Gore really does he believe in global warming and his response will be that he believes in the money generated he is now a billionaire because of his scare campaign. He needs lawyers to look at him for scamming.
If he and the warmists truly believed in global warming they don’t need government legislation to act.
Start taking action.
1. Stop using electricity
2. Dont buy any exports
If the warmist people really believe in there convictions they would at least do these actions. ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
The RUDD population boom could be another problem as people exhale 4-5percent of Co2. So direct action would be do not allow any immigrants into Australia.
The Gorgan project could be another problem as we are going to sell gas to China. Direct action would be to stop all energy exports.
Tourism could be another problem. Direct action would be to stop of tourism.
So warmists do your little bit, you can take direct action.
STOP USING ELECTRICITY.
If warmists do not take personal action, then they really dont believe in global warming at all.

Another Brit
February 24, 2010 6:31 pm

So, we, the public, are too stupid to understand!!!
I notice that many of the scientists who are proponents of GW, or members of the Climate Science Community, are also lecturers at Universities. Yet they are unable to communicate the complexities of the science in an understandable way to the man on the Clapham Omnibus.
Just a simple question. Why are they lecturers if they cannot communicate? I am sorry Dr Curry, “communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public” does not wash with me, that is what these people are paid to do. If I am relatively uneducated in your terms, then educate me!
As part of my work I lecture on some complex subjects, often to people with no prior knowledge and without the technical background I would prefer. No problem, I find a way of putting the information across. That is what I am paid to do.
Why is the Blogosphere so influential? Well Dr Curry, it is because I am many other people can come here and get the education that we are denied by your kind.

Paul R
February 24, 2010 6:34 pm

I deny the narrative Dr. Curry has tried to construct about the evolution of denialism from illegitimate to legitimate.
There are only competent and incompetent critiques. ANY reference to the man making the argument or his funding is the logical fallacy known as ad hominem.
Furthermore, the ideological bias in those who have most eagerly seized upon the AGW theory to enact a specific policy agenda is legitimately the target of ideological critique. Stop telling your opponents to “shut up!”

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