And the purge begins.
Here’s the NASA Climate Change “evidence” page where they list a series of visual earth topics that support AGW as factual. In the sidebar they have heavy reference on IPCC AR4.
Scrolling down through the page you come across the section that talks about glacier melt. Here is the screencap of that section BEFORE (courtesy of Google Cache) and AFTER as it appears now:
Yellow highlight mine. Note not only did they cite the now famous false glacier melting alarm from IPCC AR4, they moved it up five years to 2030!
Feel free to check it yourself with Google cache here. I also saved the entire cached web page as a PDF file here: climate.nasa
Here is the NASA climate page after the recent change:
A big hat tip to WUWT reader “Jaymam” for spotting this. I wonder how many other pages are now going to start seeing IPCC references disappearing?
UPDATE: While the discovery by “Jaymam” was independent, it appears that the UK Register first posted on this on Jan 20th, from a tip from their reader, Charles W., who was the first to notice NASA rewriting history with the glaciers:
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Nay; this is how PR is done.
Science, verily, research conducted in the method that resulted in this ‘falsehood’ being reported, promulgated by so many “Big Climate” climate scientists and ‘heathen’ pro-AGW websites?
Pls; don’t make me laugh any harder than I already am!!!
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Jimbo (00:49:07)
“In fact this was pointed out to Gavin at Real Climate and all he could say was that it was a mistake which was rectified.
See comment #35 at http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=2773 and his response:
[Response: That’s a joke right? They fix an error, and now you want them to track down and apologise to everyone who may have read it? If something is wrong, it gets fixed. You should be happy. – gavin]”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7062667/Pachauri-the-real-story-behind-the-Glaciergate-scandal.html
“…. the vast Himalayan ice sheet feeds seven of the world’s major river systems, thus helping to provide water to 40 per cent of the world’s population.”
This most important issue of having access or not having access to water for 40% of the world’s population for Gavin is just worth these 3 lines of cynism. Just “an error”! What sort of attitude drove Gavin Schmidt to make this extreme inhumane remark? What sort of attitude drove the IPCC to deal with this issue of life or death of billions of human beings with this extreme negligence?
Jimi, I find the skepticalscience website to be a big load of turd. He has some of the poorest arguments for global warming I’ve ever seen.
pyromancer76 (05:54:10) : says ” . I am heartened by the increasing number of ideas of citizen protests through laws already on the books,……”
My suggestion is that if someone sees and error in a government website or publication that you concisely document why you consider it to be an error and then submit a polite request for correction. If the informal request for correction is not acted upon appropriately, then submit a formal Request For Correction per the Quality of Information Act.
I am not a climate scientist. I am a retired electrical engineer and a grandfather. But I have sufficient understanding of the facts and issues to spot what appear to be erroneous or alarmist statement.
I you have enough facts to post a comment on a blog site about an error on a government publication or website, then you should be submitting your request for correction directly to the government agency that is disseminating bogus information.
The end result of Mao Stlong’s AGW Fraud.
AGW is a cover/proxy for Mao’s shakedown/extortion racket.
in Canada, Ontario Liberal Premier McGuinty pay$$$$*$$$ ….
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“China to rich nations: Hand out climate money now
AP ^ | January 24, 2010 | ASHOK SHARMA
NEW DELHI — Brazil, China, India and South Africa called Sunday for developed countries to quickly begin handing over the $10 billion pledged in Copenhagen to poor countries to help them deal with the effects of climate change.
The first funds should go to the least developed countries, including small island states and African countries, said Xie Zhenhua, China’s top climate change negotiator after a meeting of the representatives of the four nations in New Delhi.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436084/posts
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Red-Green Liberal McGuinty:
“*McGuinty Liberals fear green-deal backlash
MPPs worry they’ll face voter wrath over higher power costs from Samsung accord
There is mounting anger within the Liberal caucus over Premier Dalton McGuinty’s decision to award a $7 billion green-energy deal to a South Korean consortium, sources told the Star.
MPPs, who were advised on a conference call that the controversial accord with Samsung C&T and Korea Electric Power Corp. (KEPCO) would be proceeding, complain they had no input on an arrangement.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/754785–mcguinty-liberals-fear-green-deal-backlash?bn=1
E.M.Smith (02:09:51) :
Why I love Linux / Unix, reason 5,482,297 :
The built in tools let you do so many thing with just a few keystrokes even if you never thought you would need to do it. So, to compare two things for a change, you do a “diff” for difference or “cmp” for binary comparison. To make this happen every day at a particular time you can use the “at” command to pick a time of day “at” which you wish the action to be taken.
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I love what Linux / Unix lets me do… and I hate how they make me do it… but I’ve yet to find anything else 1/2 as useful. (And after a year or two you get used to it 😉
Now now, Unix is user-friendly, it’s just abnormally picky about who to befriend.
kwik (02:47:13) :
I’ve never looked closely at C#, but several years ago I was looking for an adjunct to C for stuff commonly done in Java or Perl and settled on Python. I use it now for everything from talking to a Davis Vantage Pro weather station to creating http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/
My first significant program in it used a graphics package and a timer event handler to drive everything. I wrote it on Linux and was astounded that it worked first time on Windows after installing Python and the graphics package.
I think HP Windows boxes come with Python for some of HP’s administrative tools, so Python may be available out of the box.
Even NASA GISS recognizes Python is useful, a learning experience for E.M. Smith….
Pls; it pays to have RTFM (and retained the contents thereof) from early-on in ALL these OS’s (incl VAX/VMS TI/DX-10/DNOS/SCI MS/DOS etc)
File compare directly under windows (via a console window) thusly:
FC [/A] [/C] [/L] [/LBn] [/N] [/OFF[LINE]] [/T] [/U] [/W] [/nnnn]
[drive1:][path1]filename1 [drive2:][path2]filename2
FC /B [drive1:][path1]filename1 [drive2:][path2]filename2
/A Displays only first and last lines for each set of differences.
/B Performs a binary comparison.
/C Disregards the case of letters.
/L Compares files as ASCII text.
/LBn Sets the maximum consecutive mismatches to the specified
number of lines.
/N Displays the line numbers on an ASCII comparison.
/OFF[LINE] Do not skip files with offline attribute set.
/T Does not expand tabs to spaces.
/U Compare files as UNICODE text files.
/W Compresses white space (tabs and spaces) for comparison.
/nnnn Specifies the number of consecutive lines that must match
after a mismatch.
[drive1:][path1]filename1
Specifies the first file or set of files to compare.
[drive2:][path2]filename2
Specifies the second file or set of files to compare.
Redirects of output using pipes are of course supported too.
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Neil Craig (06:29:43) : says “Note that the original GISS page showed them all melting by 2030.”
The page is NOT maintained or generated by GISS. NASA is a large organization and it appears that different sections have their own cultures.
The climate.nasa.gov pages are part of the Earth Sciences Communications Team at JPL NASA or or perhaps contractors to JPL. GISS is not involved, and indeed the JPL team has chosen to use the CRU global average temperature time series rather than the GISS time series.
The climate.nasa.gov website appears to be generated and maintained by non-scientists with a pro-AGW bias.
On the other hand, the JPL group erroneously used a graphic from the NASA SVS (Scientific Visualization Studio). The graphic was of Arctic Sea Ice AREA, but was labeled by JPL climate.nasa as representing Arctic Sea Ice EXTENT. I inquired to SVS as to what exactly the graphic portrayed and they quickly contacted the appropriate scientist for clarification. Since they inadvertently left me on the distribution list (“reply all” can be embarassing) of their internal back and forth, I could clearly see that both SVS and the NASA snow and ice scientists were focused on science, and on getting good, correct, unbiased info out to the public.
GISS may have their problems, but it is incorrect to blame them for the mess at climate.nasa.gov.
Here is a refresher on what science is, that I believe our friends at NASA would be well advised to review. And to review with humble attitudes about where the AGW social movement has taken them:
http://www.haystack.mit.edu/hay/staff/jball/SerScience.pdf
It is interesting that the POLITICAL webswite, http://www.realclearpolitics.com, has two articles (WSJ editorial and Booker, Sunday Telegraph) listed on it about glaciergate. And we still hear that CAGW is about the science, stupid.
Well, so much for the “warmings of mass destruction”…
GBreton (04:41:40) : says “… the next page of the NASA website on “causes” :
‘A layer of greenhouse gases – primarily carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide – ………;
Perhaps NASA has no idea that it is water vapor that is the predominant greenhouse gas? what a bunch of hosers! (or liars)”
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Gbreton —- now that you have made your comment here, go click on the feedback link to the Site Manager at the bottom of climate.nasa.gov/causes/ and submit your feedback.
If they fail to correct the error, then submit a formal Request for Correction.
Don’t make Anthony Watts, Steve McIntyre and others do all the work. We should each take the couple of minutes it takes to request corrections of errors whenever we see them.
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Thank you for noting the omission of water vapor as a GHG, as I am in discussion now with NASA HQ, trying to convince them that they have a systemic problem with the content generation and review at that website. So far, they have declined to do anything other than fix most, but not all, of the specific errors I have pointed out.
More bad news for the EPA.
Richard Tyndall (01:04:43) :
By the way, I just noticed that next to the changed glacial comment on the NASA website they have a satellite image of Kilimanjaro with the annotation “The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.”
It will be interesting to watch when NASA discovers this and disappears the disappearing, too.
“Note not only did they cite the now famous false glacier melting alarm from IPCC AR4, they moved it up five years to 2030!”
Must have been due to homogenization and from using Mumbai’s temperature ground-stations to get the temps up in the glaciers.
P Gosselin (07:18:21) :
“WHERE IS THE NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON?!”
I’d say it’s in the serious part of NASA, and not in the Fraud Division.
Don’t let one rotten part soil your opinion.
My thought is only the Mars rovers program is led by science at NASA. Look at the shuttle program, wasn’t it politics overruling science that led to both the Challenger and Columbia tragedies?
Why is NASA dealing with ground-stations anyway?
Shouldnt NASA be out there in space?
I think that division should be separated from NASA all toghether, so that NASA avoids being embarrassed by these people again and again.
They seem unable to use logic to separate cause and effect, and will therefore forever be an embarrassment.
What is this thing about Al Gore inventing the Internet? Sir Tim Berners-Lee and the CERN ENQUIRE network pioneers cannot be impressed.
It seems like one of the corollaries of the internet is the propagation of non-authorised memes and unofficial views. Without the web, we would have no knowledge that the AGW arguments are in such a piss-poor state.
Hey what do you want, it fuzzes the lie a little so it looks like independent research being done. Can’t possibly be ‘not true’, NASA’s number is almost the same.
Old LIARs trick.
P Gosselin (07:18:21) :
“WHERE IS THE NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON?!”
“I’d say it’s in the serious part of NASA, and not in the Fraud Division.
Don’t let one rotten part soil your opinion.”
Amen, P Gosselin.
Light this Candle-Ad Astra! No navel gazing!..
Oh, I forgot. I have a name for the new ex-NASA organisation;
“The James Hansen Institute for the Anihillation of the Democracies”
JHIAD
{ P Gosselin (07:18:21) :
“WHERE IS THE NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON?!” }
The “NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON?!” …
were the World War 2 Scientists from Germany who are either:
retired, or in prison for war crimes, or dead.
Those smart scientists, also got sucked up in evil politics… in WW2 Germany.
This “Warming Issue” is just the latest display of human mis-guidedness. Keep digging to reveal the truth, it is the only thing that can save us from the “hollow-cost” of this current lie. (no disrespect intended here)
NASA has also completely removed the IPCC report as their reference and replaced it with the World Glacier Monitoring Service web page.
Cement a friend (02:53:40) : says “Charlie A –
Could you ask the US EPA about the statement that methane is 21 times a more powerful greenhouse than CO2 which is cited to come from the IPCC 2nd assessment report?”
No, I will not. As DirkH’s comments above show, the 21 time more powerful appears to be within the range commonly used as the multiplication factor. I suggest that you investigate a bit more to see if the EPA statement really is erroneous.
But if you have investigated enough to be sure that it is an erroneous statement, then YOU should inquire.
You don’t have to be a US citizen to make either informal requests for correction or requests for clarification. Nor do you need to be a US citizen to make a formal Request For Correction per the Quality of Information Guidelines.
I’m also pretty sure that citizenship or place of residence has no bearing on the requirement of US government to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.
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The procedures are simple.
There are no special qualifications or restrictions on who can make requests under the FOIA and Quality of Info acts.
Common courtesy simply requires that we not waste peoples’ time with frivolous or bogus requests, or requests whose purpose is solely for harassment.
These procedures are available for use by all of us. I highly recommend that we more fully utilize them.
O/T but wanted to share in case anyone wasn’t aware of it. Mosher and Fuller’s book on Climategate now available in electronic format at:
http://www.lulu.com/product/e-book/climategate-the-crutape-letters/6282107?productTrackingContext=center_search_results
I paid in pounds but one can pay in dollars or euros.
You have to download adobe digital editions and should register/activate that to give access from more than one computer. Recommend doing that first, then downloading from Lulu, which gives you the file: URLLink.acsm. Once you have that, double click it and digital editions will fire up and dowload the actual .pdf, which is stored in My documents in the My Digital Editions subfolder.