More from the “weather is not climate department”.
Flurries hit southeast Australia as towns record their first-ever summer snowfalls
CANBERRA, Australia – Australia is following its second-hottest year on record with extraordinary snow flurries in its southeastern alpine region, where some towns have recorded their first-ever summer snowfalls.
Australia’s temperatures during the summer months of December through February can be uncomfortably hot even on its highest peak, Mount Kosciuszko, which stands a modest 7,310 feet (2,228 metres) above sea level.
Snow fell to 3,000 feet (900 metres) above sea level Monday in parts of New South Wales and Victoria states, Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Jane Golding said.
“Any time of year, it’s unusual to have snow down that far,” she said.
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The town of Bombala in New South Wales, east of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since the bureau began keeping records there in 1965, Golding said.
The town of Cooma, also in New South Wales but north of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since records were first kept in 1973.
Cooma resident Krystal Pernitsch said the wind chill factor made Monday’s high temperature of 59 degrees (15 degrees Celsius) feel like 48 degrees (9 Celsius).
According to another site there’s currently record heat on the other side of Australia and in western India, the one comment unfortunately trumpeting that as evidence for AGW.
Not to worry about the current warm weather here in the US, long range forecasters predict Winter to return as the Arctic recharges (as seen in the arctic temp. graph)
ozspeaksup (07:24:02)
Here is at least a map of the glaciated areas in Tasmania:
http://soer.justice.tas.gov.au/2009/image/162/lan/id162-m-GlaciatedAreas-l.gif
Glaciation on the mainland did not amount to much – the Kosciuszko plateau and the highest parts of Snowy Mountains.
So, extreme hot weather in Australia pulls in freezing cold clouds from Antarctica and snows for a bit. In a few days it returns back to extreme hot weather,
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap/20100118/tap-as-australia-snow-79704af.html
There is nothing to be celebrate about!
If the Australian climate turns to have such extreme weather changes, this would be terrible for our agriculture and the economy.
We should be a bit more mature, otherwise our message is lost.
Re: Olympics
Cypress mountain will host Freestyle and Snowboarding competitions. The ski resort closed early due to rain but have plans to move snow from the peaks to the competition area for the Olympics.
Olympic venue info:
http://www.vancouver2010.com/cypress-mountain/
Cypress mountain info:
http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-news/n/news/cypress-mountain-alpine-runs-closed-early-to-preserve-snow–prepare-venue-for-2010-winter-games_209836IR.html
Magnus A (07:59:02) :
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Also CO2 causes a new ice age, due to scientists:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Earth/Greenhouse_gases_may_trigger_ice_age/articleshow/3934692.cms
“Forget warming, greenhouse gases may trigger ice age”
That would be a wonderful thing!
We would want to get out out of the ice age, we would need warming. By the AGW scientists, CO2 causes warming, we’d need more CO2. But, too much CO2 caused the mess, so we would want less. But less CO2 gives cooling, of which we wouldn’t want any more. The CO2-AGW pushers would have nowhere to go!
Actually, this is a creative mis-representation of facts long-discussed here.
Researchers at the University of Birmingham found that 630 million years ago the earth had a warm atmosphere full of carbon dioxide
but was completely covered with ice, the Daily Telegraph reported.
The scientists studied limestone rocks and found evidence that large amounts of greenhouse gas coincided with a prolonged period of freezing temperatures.
Such glaciation could happen again if global warming is not curbed, the university’s school of geography, earth and environmental sciences warned.
Without seeing the original research and conclusions, it looks like the researchers accurately reported we can have ice ages with very high CO2 levels. From which the school, covering for the warmist agenda, concluded must mean that high CO2 can bring about ice ages.
Everyone shout together now, “Correlation is not causation!”
Another interesting distortion:
While pollution in the air is thought to trap the sun’s heat in the atmosphere, causing the planet to heat up, this new research suggests it could also have the opposite effect reflecting rays back into space.
The only “pollution” I know of which can cause warming is CO2 and methane, which back then could only have come from natural sources. New research suggests CFC’s can cause it, but that could use some more confirmation, and they seem likely to have been in short supply 630 million years ago. Everything else that can cause warming is not labeled as a pollutant. Otherwise, last I checked, the atmospheric pollutants of mankind universally lead to cooling.
This effect would be magnified by other forms of pollution in the earth’s atmosphere such as particles of sulphate pumped into the air through industrial pollution or volcanic activity and could create ice age conditions once more, the scientists said.
Sulfurous molecules cause cooling, no surprise. Yet my political senses tell me this is a developing gambit. Don’t even try the cheap sulfur dioxide hose method to induce global cooling to counter AGW, you’ll freeze everyone. Only the extortion-priced coming world regime of absolute CO2 control can possibly save us.
Make what you will of the last bit:
Ian Fairchild, lead investigator, told the London newspaper Daily Telegraph: “We came up with an independent test of a theory that the earth, like a baked Alaska pudding, was once hot on the outside, surrounding a cold, icy surface. It happened naturally in the past, but the wrong use of technology could make it happen again.”
It is possible to have a thin wispy and warm atmosphere, surrounding much-denser sheets of solid ice that are miles thick and show no signs of wanting to immediately thaw. Amazing. You know, that may be related to how the frozen dinners take longer to cook in the oven when placed on pieces of insulating firebrick rather than on a metal cookie sheet on the metal oven rack. Further research may be indicated.
In Melbourne yesterday it was a very cold day for summer. And the night before was 6 deg C below the average. We DID have 43 deg C last week and now are have an antarctic snap. But all up this summer in Melbourne is cooler than the last few years. Usually an el nino gives us a hot dry summer but generally this one’s been cool and damp. We just got 30mm rain over the last 2 days! I’m predicting less catastrophic bushfire stories out of us this year! For which I’m glad! That’s my unscientific prediction.
After the northern hemisphere had “2009: the summer that never was,” the southern hemisphere is having their “2010: the summer that never was.”
I’m not a climate-Scientologist, but that sure seems like climate and not just weather!
Newt Love (my real name) newtlove.com
Aerospace Technical Fellow: Modeling, Simulation & Analysis
Adam from Kansas (11:57:25) :
According to the DMI Explorer, mean temp at 80N is -33.15C / -27F
What Global Warming?
I find it hilarious to see people panicking about global warming and hotter than usual days in Australia when it’s normal to have hot days in summer (oh yeah – who would have thought of that?) Yet, when we have colder than usual days in summer, and now snow nobody appears to be concerned. The media of course focus on reporting the hotter days but not the colder days. It’s like the revelation that NASA is removing the thermometer readings from mostly the colder areas but keeping the hotter ones and the ones located at airports. We should have an alternative global mean temperature “authority”. One that discards readings at airports and other urbanized areas and keep those in more natural environments. It would be interesting to compare the two charts.
Following Christian’s link (thank you), here’s a presentation about “Climate Change and the Renewal of Civilisation” from this conference.
Impressive what can be build on such rotten fundamentals …
http://www.greattransformation.eu/images/stories/downloads/homer-dixon_presentation_opt.pdf
Watch the last page. Still with a question mark, but in the author’s view, dictatorships can handle the actions needed better than lousy democracies.
Longing for what? Fortunately not a German came up with it.
“Bridget H-S (09:49:52) :
[…]
4) POLITICAL PARTICIPATION:
Technological innovation and political regulation can only be effective if “the people” participate in their various roles as polluters, producers and consumers of goods, citizens and voters. Democratic regimes are not well prepared for the level of participation that is required: Can free democratic societies cope with the effects of grave changes in the global climate, or might authoritarian regimes possibly be better placed to enforce the necessary measures?”
You know politicians in the West just HATE to be sacked by us voters. They would LOVE to be rulers forever once they purged their own party from competitors. Nobody likes to rot away in oblivion once he/she has tasted power. That’s why they love to phantasize about this. The best we can do is sack each one of them as early as possible. They become evil pretty fast otherwise. A fascinating example is Hugo Chavez.
kadaka (12:19:02) :
They can’t tell you how an Ice Age begins or ends, but they will tell you all day long how C02 can be high in an Ice Age. It can also be low during an Ice Age. It depends on which scenario they wish to scare us with.
Global Warming researchers. Sounds mischevious to me. What is a Global Warming researcher these days, a Hollywood Doomsday Sci-Fi script writer?
Global Warming causes Global Cooling is the rage of street jokes, and for good reason. If it looks like stupid, walks like stupid and sounds like stupid, it’s because really is stupid.
Australia’s record temperature was set 121 years ago this week – Jan. 16, 1889. It was 128 degrees Fahrenheit (53C.)
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/MichaelLevin.shtml
Must have been due to global warming.
OT – but where do we post things like this now :
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/01/15/climate_ndet/
IT centric ‘newspaper’ –
What is wrong with this headline?
James Hansen and Anthony Watts Agree: Cold Weather, Warm Climate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/18/james-hansen-and-anthony-_n_426931.html
Steve K (10:48:15) :
he seems to be suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas — which is where the “warming” in “global warming” comes from: CO2 absorbs IR and — hence — warms the atmosphere.
I am not quite sure what K. Bray is saying either. However,
– CO2 is a greenhouse gas
– H2O (water vapor) is the dominate greenhouse gas with about ten times the IR trapping power of CO2.
CO2, by itself, if doubled, cannot heat the earth by more than about one degree Celsius.
For runaway global warming to occur, the extra heating from the CO2 must lead to more evaporation of water leading to in increase of the specific humidity. It is the increased water vapor that leads to global warming.
But not an increase anywhere but rather an increase above 850 hPa. Why?
850 hPa is the altitude of the end of the convection zone. It is here, at the cloud tops, where water vapor condenses to form clouds. When water evaporates it takes latent heat. When water condenses, it releases latent heat. If the air above 850 hPa is dry then there is nothing stopping the released latent heat from radiating into space. For the answer, see a paper by Garth Paltridge, Albert Arking, & Michael Pook published a peer-
reviewed paper in Theoretical and Applied Climatology 26 February 2009 titled “Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data”. http://springerlink.com/content/m2054qq6126802g8/
Global warming 101.
Mike Ramsey
HB (12:22:09) said:
You know what they say about Melbourne, don’t you? “If you don’t like the weather, just wait five minutes.” 🙂
Well, here in the San Francisco Bay Area we seem slated to get five inches (about 125mm) over the next few days.
Whereas the Sydney Morning Herald reports every unusually warm day as a global warming event, this cold spell … “was created by a combination of local thunderstorms and a rush of cold, southerly air”
Steve Goddard (13:01:34) :
Oh, no, that is politically incorrect. There wasn’t any Global Warming in 1889, there was Global Cooling the 1st scare. Global Cooling causes killer Heat Waves. Researchers have found that we actually live in a Negative Universe, we just thought it was positive.
Right now the pendulum is swinging in the direction of the skeptics in the game of “my dad can beat up your dad”.
The snows in Victoria trump a normal heat wave in Adelaide. Snow in New Orleans, Las Vegas, Houston, and Baghdad trump the more normal warming events brought out by the warmists.
These are part of our weather and should be expected. Then poor Edmunton turns into an ice cube. I’m still bothered by that one. The magnitude of the cold record is troubling.
How cold are we going to get in the next 30 years?
general
over on climaterealists.com Piers Corbyn has posted an open dare to the Harradin (sorry Mr Harabin) of the BBC to ‘put up or shut up’ re his potentially libellous article on Piers.
Makes very interesting reading.
If Harabin does not retract, I think Piers is on to a winner. My bet is that he will retract, else we could have a cute little action dragging the AGW/BBC through the High Court. Naturally the Powers that Be would not want that, so expect a retraction.
Get over to climaterealists.com and support Piers.
Quote: Christian Ermecke (07:49:39) :
“Hi everyone,
Oliver K. Manuel has mentioned the likelihood of a world government – or should we better say: “dictatorship”? Many people still can not believe it could go that far. Therefore I would like to add this link here, may be some of you do not know about this yet:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/about-the-conference
Please have a closer look at point 4) at the bottom…
Regards from darkening Germany
Christian”
Thanks Christian for the link. That is enlightening.
I am not nationalistic, I am not even opposed to the elimination of national boundaries, but I am opposed to the destruction of democracies and to the misuse of science as a propaganda instrument by those who would change our government without our consent.
For many years I blamed only NASA and the Geophysics Section of NAS for the fraud and deceit that I observed in our space science program.
I even voted for Al Gore for President in 2000 and was puzzled by his quiet withdrawal after winning the majority vote.
As in science, puzzles may be the key to the unknown.
Climategate and revised editorial policies at Nature and Science that prevent the publication of anything but mainstream consensus opinions seem to be consistent with the idea that an unholy alliance of Politicians, Scientists, and Publishers is the tip of an invisible world government that had planned:
a.) Al Gore was to become the first President, King or Savior.
b.) NAS => NAP [National Academy of Sciences became the NA Propaganda].
c.) EPA => NAP tool [“CO2 is a dangerous pollutant”].
d.) National sovereignty/boarders/governments were to disappear.
e.) Democracies would vanish.
That scenario is not a scientific fact, but it fits many puzzling observations.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo
The cool weather around the world just proves Kevin Rudd and Obama are right. It has just been revealed that GHG emissions have fallen in Australia during 2009 in the 4 eastern states and by a massive 4.2% in South Australia. See what we can do if we reduce CO2 emissions! ( tongue firmly planted in cheek)
{ Steve K (09:34:39) :
K. Bray : “That’s what they claim the co2 does.”
Are you suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? If that’s your point, then what’s your evidence? }
Steve K, co2 might influence a greenhouse temperature increase in large quantities, but not at the tiny amounts we are contributing.
Evidence? We have measured small co2 increases in the atmosphere, but yet a global temperature decline is actually being detected.
These current amounts of co2 are insignificant. The temperature is going the wrong way for the co2 argument. I suggest you buy some cotton thermal long underwear for the future… they are the only “warmers” I’ll trust in.
My modest suggestion is to allow the AGWers to “volunteer” for HHS to help save the planet. If they’re all really that concerned that is, what about it Big Al? Do you care?