Summer snow in Australia

More from the “weather is not climate department”.

Flurries hit southeast Australia as towns record their first-ever summer snowfalls

excerpts from the story by: Rod Mcguirk, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

CANBERRA, Australia – Australia is following its second-hottest year on record with extraordinary snow flurries in its southeastern alpine region, where some towns have recorded their first-ever summer snowfalls.

Australia’s temperatures during the summer months of December through February can be uncomfortably hot even on its highest peak, Mount Kosciuszko, which stands a modest 7,310 feet (2,228 metres) above sea level.

Snow fell to 3,000 feet (900 metres) above sea level Monday in parts of New South Wales and Victoria states, Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Jane Golding said.

“Any time of year, it’s unusual to have snow down that far,” she said.

The town of Bombala in New South Wales, east of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since the bureau began keeping records there in 1965, Golding said.

The town of Cooma, also in New South Wales but north of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since records were first kept in 1973.

Cooma resident Krystal Pernitsch said the wind chill factor made Monday’s high temperature of 59 degrees (15 degrees Celsius) feel like 48 degrees (9 Celsius).

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Wow! That is bizarre!

I thought that the Arctic’s “frigid parade” is just moving down from the north pole to the equator. It seems it has already surpassed the equator and jumped to the southern hemisphere?

Jose A Veragio

Has the BBC found the Answer ?
Weather with a Kiwi accent will sound so much brighter than it really is .
Met Office under a cloud as BBC considers breaking 90-year partnership

ozspeaksup

well I knew it was cold in Vic today…but what? well there goes the melon seedlings:-)
Anyone? know where records of Australias Glaciated areas were in times past, just curious, I know Victor harbour was one spot..or was it Willunga? or both:-)
there seem to be no maps? whereas the Nth hem is available on iceage now nothing shows the Sth.

Beneath the tip of the Climategate iceberg is this emerging shadow of an unholy alliance of Politicians, Scientists, and Publishers – directed by a still invisible world government.
The PSP plan that WUWT and other internet blogs have frustrated:
a.) Al Gore was to become the first President, King or Savior.
b.) NAS => NAP [National Academy of Sciences became the NA Propaganda].
c.) EPA => NAP tool [“CO2 is a dangerous pollutant”].
d.) National sovereignty/boarders/governments were to disappear.
e.) Democracies would vanish.
That’s how it looks from here,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo
Emeritus Professor
Nuclear & Space Studies

Ray

Like the iguanas in Florida, do they have koala falling down trees when it’s cold?

Douglas DC

RE the BBC-they should contact Joe Bastardi or Piers Corbyn….
This snow’s going play havoc with the warmists favorite toy-
Fire Season!!! Always used in both hemispheres for fun and
amusement by the warmists.-I speak from personal experience…

James Chamberlain

I believe that we have to keep on this “Weather is not climate” train. IF the data keep going up, and up, and up, AND it keeps feeling colder, and colder, and colder we will have to constantly continue to mention this to people. Or, I fear that the masses may actually think that colder is warmer, believing the mantra.
I actually think this could already be happening.

Steve K

Oliver K. Manuel writes: “Beneath the tip of the Climategate iceberg is this emerging shadow of an unholy alliance of Politicians, Scientists, and Publishers – directed by a still invisible world government.”
What does this have to do with the weather in Australia?

Henry chance

Pachauri has been caught taking funds and having nothing for records on how they are spent. He is close to Meltdown.
The IPCC is taking entrails readings as peer/pal reviewed science.
We are facing a tsunami and it isn’t pretty.
Australia is learning rtapidly. Keep it up. climate Depot is busier than ever with stories now finally arriving. CO2 is the opiate of the ecoterrorists. They get a little sniff and get very aggitated.

Pascvaks

Ahh Haa!! Ice Ages DO come from both directions at the same time. Ain’t the weather a beach? I mean climate. Ain’t climate a beach?

Robuk

Australia is following its second-hottest year on record,
Is that the second hottest record at the airport.

yonason

Here’s a link with a great graphic
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
If it’s accurate, it tells us that while warming seems to have an upper limit, cooling does not have a lower limit. Also, and this is the disturbing part, there appears to be a trend for every new cold portion of the cycle to be colder than the previous one, as well as their occurrence increasing in frequency.

Christian Ermecke

Hi everyone,
Oliver K. Manuel has mentioned the likelihood of a world government – or should we better say: “dictatorship”? Many people still can not believe it could go that far. Therefore I would like to add this link here, may be some of you do not know about this yet:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/about-the-conference
Please have a closer look at point 4) at the bottom…
Regards from darkening Germany
Christian

Mike Ramsey

Were there any global scale trends that caused this?
Mike Ramsey

lmg

“Wow! That is bizarre!”
Almost as bizarre as naming an Australian mountain after a Polish general.

I blame Mel Gibson

GK

This is nothing special. A day or two of snow falls on Vic & NSW mountains happens once in every 4 or 5 summers.
Lets not overreact and become Coldeners !

K. Bray

Keep Calling it “Global Warming”.
Warmists will be humiliated every time “Global Warming” is mentioned.
That’s what they claim the co2 does. Forget “Climate Change”.
Their term “Global Warming” will remind them it is folly every time it is used.
Maybe it will sink in someday……

Sou

Isn’t weather interesting (or is it bizarre?). We get weather here too, just like those in the northern hemisphere.
Hot last week (40C (104F) last Tuesday), a cool south-westerly brought a chilly 20C (68F) yesterday, but back to an expected 38C this Thursday and 40C this Friday. I looked out the window yesterday afternoon and couldn’t see snow on the mountain (Victoria’s highest and Australia’s second highest), but it happens, even in summer – probably didn’t stay on the ground which, after all, would be quite warm.
Must be a slow news day.

Boudu

I am so confused right now. Warming, summer, snow, barbeques, cold snap, glacial melt, BOOM ! I’ve reached a tipping point.
Cue the naked man at the piano. And now for something completely different.

Magnus A

So Australia have record hot …and snow. So, they were right all the time. The weather has become extreme. We didn’t listen!
Also CO2 causes a new ice age, due to scientists:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Earth/Greenhouse_gases_may_trigger_ice_age/articleshow/3934692.cms
“Forget warming, greenhouse gases may trigger ice age”
Aaaaaah!

Steve Goddard

This article should be titled “Glaciers in (New South) Wales?”

John F. Hultquist

A bit OT but the question is still snow:
One of the issues of warming has been that glaciers will disappear and because they now provide storage for summer irrigation, that too would be gone. However, if glaciers grow more from melting less would that not reduce summer flow in the drainage? However, a growing valley glacier will soon extend farther down-valley to a lower elevation where melting will be faster. However, if the growth of glaciers is brought on by colder temperatures and this is region-wide then the nearby lower valley crops might have shorter growing seasons and fewer degree days.
I bring this up because in the State of Washington east of the Cascades the snow and glacial ice is the source of much late-season irrigation water. In this current water-year we are already hearing about the low snow amounts. This seems to fit the El Nino pattern very well so it is not a surprise, nor are the currently warm temps a surprise. The pattern seems well known.
I haven’t seen much of this potential of growing glaciers to cause a problem of the same type as disappearing glaciers. Just wondering.

John from MN

Anthony,
Why is this not the headline on your Site this AM? To me it his just about as big as Climatgate itself…..TIA John.
From thread on The Himalayan fiasco Below
nofreewind (18:15:27) :
Down goes the Himalayan Glacier “pillar”. This is OT and a few years old, but shouldn’t be missed, proves They did the same shenanigans with hurricane as has now been exposed with Himalayan Glaciers.
Chris Landsea former NOAA and now National Hurricane Center hurricane expert and contributing IPCC author, resigning from IPCC.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html
Note: The first comments is from William Connolley.
Most interesting is the resignation follow-up email correspondence between Landsea and IPCC notables(aka The Liars Club), including Trenberth and Pauchari. Even includes all the email addy’s for those of you who are looking for pen pals.
Landsea is a Man of Great Character in my book, although I know there are many who resigned rather than go with the gravy train of consensus.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/ipcc-correspondence.pdf

Myron Mesecke

New milestone Anthony. When I type watts in google your site is now the first suggestion. Congratulations.

Steve K

yonason: At the link you posted, the authors write: “We, Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, believe that the warming and even the cooling of global temperatures are the result of long-term climatic cycles, solar activity, sea-surface temperature patterns and more. ”
Very interesting, but these authors write that they “believe.” That suggests that this is not based on peer-reviewed science. In their bios, neither author reports any scientific training or other interaction with the large body of climate scientists. That suggests their work is not ready for prime time.

Steve K

Henry chance: “CO2 is the opiate of the ecoterrorists. ” This is the only thing in your post that seems to deal with science. What are you saying about CO2 here?

The South Western Cape in South Africa, boasts a number of glacier plains and valleys in the Hex River region and further northwards. I believe the last Ice Age in that area was 65o million to 450 million years ago. Driving down from Kimberley one can see a number of the distinctive U shaped valleys cut through the mountain chains.

jryan

Sure cooling has a limit.. Zero Degrees Kelvin! 🙂

Kevin Kilty

Well, that’s meridional flow f’r ya.

Alexej Buergin

” jryan (09:03:03) :
Sure cooling has a limit.. Zero Degrees Kelvin! 🙂 ”
Right. But you wanted to say: Zero Kelvin (corrected in 1967).

Steve K

K. Bray : “That’s what they claim the co2 does.”
Are you suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? If that’s your point, then what’s your evidence?

Craig

Good thing they moved the monitoring station to sea level! We can’t have something like this getting into the official record; it’d mess up climate change research! 🙂

SandyInDerby
Bridget H-S

“Christian Ermecke (07:49:39) :
Hi everyone,
Oliver K. Manuel has mentioned the likelihood of a world government – or should we better say: “dictatorship”? Many people still can not believe it could go that far. Therefore I would like to add this link here, may be some of you do not know about this yet:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/about-the-conference
Please have a closer look at point 4) at the bottom…”
4) POLITICAL PARTICIPATION:
Technological innovation and political regulation can only be effective if “the people” participate in their various roles as polluters, producers and consumers of goods, citizens and voters. Democratic regimes are not well prepared for the level of participation that is required: Can free democratic societies cope with the effects of grave changes in the global climate, or might authoritarian regimes possibly be better placed to enforce the necessary measures?
Dear Christian – hmm, check out Russian and Chinese responses to Copenhagen – maybe it will be a good thing. Perhaps the EU will want to become, if it is not already, more authoritarian, but see how well the EU has responded to the Haitian earthquake, so speedily and so actively (cough), that I don’t think there is too much to worry about. The EU numpties couldn’t organise a p*** up in a brewery – it staggers me, their incompetence in this respect. I don’t understand how they can be so adept in taking away our sovereignity (I’m english, by the way). Must be the idiots we have in our parliament handing it to them on a plate.

Andrew30

Steve K (09:34:39) :
“Are you suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? If that’s your point, then what’s your evidence?”
It was printed in New Scientist that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
That is evidence.

stumpy

The summers been pretty cool in NZ as well, we have had summer snow in the southern alps a few times over the last few weeks

bill sticker

Less snow than usual here on Vancouver Island, although we have been hit by the ‘Pineapple express’ a bit more than usual.
Pineapple Express link: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Pineapple_Express
Won’t do the 2010 Winter Olympics much good unless we get some decent snowfall soon. Maybe we should ask the Aussies for theirs?

James F. Evans

Hypothesis:
Low solar output tends to lower the freezing level.
As in the icy cold of space impinges on the Earth’s atmosphere.
My recollection from reports is that in Revolutionary America, late 18th century, it snowed in August in New England.
The Little Ice Age

Richard Sharpe

Christian Ermecke (07:49:39) said:

Hi everyone,
Oliver K. Manuel has mentioned the likelihood of a world government – or should we better say: “dictatorship”? Many people still can not believe it could go that far.

The only world government the Chinese would accept is one where they are in charge.
I think claims of a world government conspiracy, while possibly accurate, are little to worry about at the moment.

Steve K

Andrew30: I’m trying to get at the meaning of the phrase “That’s what they claim the co2 does,” which K. Bray wrote.
I don’t know who they “they” he refers to is, nor what “does” refers to. However, based on K. Bray’s full post (“Warmists will be humiliated every time “Global Warming” is mentioned. That’s what they claim the co2 does. Forget “Climate Change”. Their term “Global Warming” will remind them it is folly every time it is used. “) he seems to be suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas — which is where the “warming” in “global warming” comes from: CO2 absorbs IR and — hence — warms the atmosphere. (Tyndall first recognized this 150 years ago — although I doubt he knew it was IR that was the reason.) So all I’m am tying to do is understand what he meant by what he wrote.

Richard Heg

“Cooma resident Krystal Pernitsch said the wind chill factor made Monday’s high temperature of 59 degrees (15 degrees Celsius) feel like 48 degrees (9 Celsius).”
Is it just me or does that not sound a little warm for snow?

Honest ABE

I’m trying to think of a way of blaming Australian snow on the gulf stream.

Jack in Oregon

Magnus A (07:59:02) :
Magnus, thank you for that link. So CO2 is now responsible for Ice Ages, Runway Global Warming, and Plants being able to grow quicker. Australia might be the best location to ride out an Ice Age. The outback might become a very lush rain forest. or not.
Hmmm, if we *are* starting a new Ice Age Era, we will want the CO2 level as high as possible to make what land is available for farming as productive as possible. Maybe we will have green houses to hold our Green House Gas at higher levels then outside to try and meet the worlds food needs. oh the Irony if that happens.
Meanwhile, its all CO2 fault… its like a broken record. Everything is man’s fault. I specifically loved this quote about the use of WRONG Technology making it happen again.
…”Ian Fairchild, lead investigator, told the London newspaper Daily Telegraph: “We came up with an independent test of a theory that the earth, like a baked Alaska pudding, was once hot on the outside, surrounding a cold, icy surface. It happened naturally in the past, but the wrong use of technology could make it happen again.””
Jack Barnes
Gold Beach Oregon

Michael

Just because there is a lull in cold and snow weather in the US, doesn’t mean it is not still going on in the rest of the world this winter. It is still winter folks. The cold and warm circulates around the globe in waves.
“Parts of northern China are seeing their harshest winter in decades, with Beijing this month receiving its heaviest one-day snowfall in 59 years. Temperatures in the capital were due to rise above freezing this week.
Herders moved thousands of others to safer pastures at lower altitudes ahead of the latest storm front, which is expected to last through Wednesday.
Temperatures in parts of Xinjiang are set to plunge to minus 45 degrees (minus 43 Celsius) by midweek, according to Xinjiang Meteorological Station forecaster Wei Rongqing.
Wei said snow was falling in the region’s Altay district, where accumulations had already risen to 3 feet (94 centimeters). Altay lies in China’s extreme northwestern corner, 1,600 miles (2,600 kilometers) northwest of Beijing, the capital.
“Livestock raising has been hit hard. Both wild animals and livestock haven’t been able to find food, but now forage has been allocated by the central government,” Wei said. Some 500,000 people in total were affected by the harsh weather, he said. The figure includes those who suffered property damage and supply shortages or were isolated by snow drifts and icy roads.
Direct economic losses were being estimated at 300 million yuan ($44 million) as of Thursday and were expected to continue rising, Wei said.
“We’re taking emergency measures, including evacuating remote areas,” Wei said. Calls to Xinjiang government spokesmen rang unanswered.
Parts of northern China are seeing their harshest winter in decades, with Beijing this month receiving its heaviest one-day snowfall in 59 years. Temperatures in the capital were due to rise above freezing this week.”
Extreme Cold, Snow Kills 4 In Northwest China
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/18/extreme-cold-snow-kills-4_n_426698.html

Clive

bill sticker “Won’t do the 2010 Winter Olympics much good unless we get some decent snowfall soon. ” ???
It has snowed 136 cm at Whistler in the past seven days. Looks like lots of snow up there:
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/photos/index.htm
… and after the record snows of November. Surely there is enough snow on the ski slopes for the Lympix.
Are the reports wrong? Just wondering. Thanks.

Bill Sticker – Re Olympics
They are not holding the Luge on Granville Street. I for one am very glad there is no snow on the sreets, I could not imagine the problems if there was.
Whistler ( Where the Games except for the Inside Tracks like Speed Skating is actually being hosted) is in great shape so far. Perhaps not making the same 1200Km smoothing error of GISS and extrapolating the weather on Vancouver Island to the Coastal Mountains would be a better course of action.
http://www.onthesnow.ca/british-columbia/whistler-blackcomb/skireport.html

Rod

Another interesting comprehensive blog post reviewing the Climategate emails:
http://poneke.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/gate/
The Downunder author is a reputable journalist and says he read all of the emails before coming to his conclusions.

Raymond

Sacrifice to the weather gods:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/6/the-aztec-solution
the more things change, the more they remains the same.