From WUWT on March 16, 2008, we found this article and it is now just getting national news exposure. I’m bringing it forward again since there has been a lot of activity in search engine traffic that has found its way here tonight.
Sean Hannity read from it during his Fox News show.
Read the original article here:
November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.
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Barry Foster (03:47:47) :
Andrew Neil is doing a brilliant job. I’m sure the BBC would love to get rid of him, but he’s too well known. I was amazed by John Hirst’s claim. Maybe he’s simply ignorant, but I somehow doubt it.
I just shot off an email to enquiries@metoffice.gov.uk
Here’s the text:
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Dear sir/madam,
In his interview with Andrew Neil, John Hirst made a specific claim
that the climate models had predicted that the global temperatures
would level off after 1999. Being a prediction, it must have been
made no later than 1999.
I find this surprising. As far as I’m aware only recent climate models
have predicted a levelling off, when the trend was already obvious. I
find it difficult to believe that any official climate models prior to
2000 made this prediction. If the Met Office models did indeed
predict a pause in global warming then most of its recent statements
contradict their own models.
Could you please provide me with evidence of Met Office models –
or any others for that matter – prior to 2000 that predicted the current
pause in global warming.
If you cannot provide the proof then I can only assume that the head
of the Met Office was lying. If this seems to be the case then I will
consider making an official complaint.
You can see the interview here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/
8443687.stm
John Hirst repeatedly makes the claim right at the end of the
interview.
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Another good resource is “Arctic” magazine from the Arctic Institute of North America available online. Read the articles on arctic ice islands discovered in the late 1940’s by aerial surveyors. The big ones were called T1, T2, and T3. They were as big as 300 square miles and were believed to be large chunks of ice shelves broken off and imbedded in the pack. A sign of a previous warming?
If you live in the UK, and you’re fed up with the BBC bias toward global warming, then you have to read this http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
RyanC,
The Met Office was on the BBC last night claiming that because of global warming the current cold snap isnt as bad as it could have been.
Mailman
OT just seen an ad for helpapolarbear.com. Adopt a pb no less. What crap is this.
And yet the charts at Cryosphere Today for Northern Hemisphere Ice Extent back to 1900 are flat until 1970 or so (depending on the season), followed by a distinct decline in recent years. How did they (mis?) estimate the extent for the earlier years?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
I’m still reminded of the actuarialist that studied the relationship of weather to sunspot activity and found a 2-3 year lag, which would predict that temperatures will continue to drop for a while after this deep solar minimum. Provided, of course, we’re now IN the minimum, which hasn’t been established yet, although I can’t see how it could get much more “minimum” than it currently is.
So we’ll see if next year is colder than this one, and the year after that is colder yet. Perhaps in three or four years we’ll start to see some moderation in this cooling pattern. If so, it will be one more general example of weather following sun activity, which shouldn’t be surprising considering the impact the sun and cosmic rays have on our weather (view The Cloud Mystery on YouTube for a very interesting hypothesis).
We’ll see how the Met Office handles it by then, if there’s even a Met Office around. They seem like a very expensive waste of time.
I saw it on Hannity. Anything related to “Al Baby”, there in the NH in these days , when everybody is enjoying “Global Warming” must be either utterly funny or exactly the contrary, that is why Hannity took it from WUWT. And it is a good thing they are reading WUWT.
I like the ending sentence, “it makes it probable that the favorable ice conditions will continue”
Today less ice and snow is a disaster, and more ice is favorable. The only thing that changes is climate, with or without humanity, humans stupidity will remain unchanged.
Well this winter we learned (again) that alot of ice and snow may not be the best option for life on this planet anyway. Not refering to arctic sea ice but the cold spell striking nothern hemisphere this winter.
The BBC has announced a review of the impartiality of science reporting, including BBC editorial control of comments regarding GM crops and climate change. Perhaps the science is not settled? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/january/science_impartiality.shtml
What’s interesting regarding the comments about sunspots is that 1922 was during the minimum, but there had been a spike in solar activity in March of 1922. Wonder what effects that had on temperature. All very interesting stuff. See for yourself:
http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/sunspotplotter.htm
The current cold snap ain’t over yet, there’s plenty more of it forecast right now.
So the real question here is not where we currently are, which is very obviously in a bad cold state, but where things go from here.
All the MET is doing is stalling, hoping for a warming miracle, not man enough to admit they got carried away by thier own mirage.
At this rate of Climate Change Cold, a year from now will see hordes of people jamming Churches. They surely won’t be flocking to Gore’s place.
The AP index won’t rise, the Solar Wind is limp, and the winters hopscotch from North to South in a ‘top this’ contest.
Stephen Wilde, excuse me for my misunderstanding.
You wrote, “It is the air circulation systems that move poleward under a warming pressure from the tropical oceans and then move equatorward again as the warming pressure from the tropical oceans declines.”
Please link the dataset that illustrates this latitudinal variability. Thanks. You know me, always interested in data.
Mailman @ur momisugly 06:10:11
You mean without AGW, my family jewels would be even smaller than they are now?
Here is an article from March, 2000, that was featured in UK’s “The Independent”
“Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past”
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
The Independent article from 2000 posted by toyotawhizguy (07:18:51) :
is currently in their top 10 read articles, they must be kicking themselves
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Chris Wright (05:50:39)
“If you cannot provide the proof then I can only assume that the head
of the Met Office was lying.”
Its not the fact that he lied, but like the other proponents, Mann, jones et al, its the shameless of the fraud, and the gallingness of it that ought to be equally brought into question. Unlike scientists in other fields, they are not accountable, and this has put cheek and mischief at the centre of climatology. Cheek and mischief, because they can’t develop any scientific arguments so make up for this lack with sheer cheekiness.
http://acsys.npolar.no/ahica/intro.htm
toyotawhizguy (07:18:51) :
Back in ’94 I happend to be setting at the Airtanker Base in Redding Ca.The San Francisco Comicle,er, Cronicle had a article by a Sierra Club drone who said this:
“Due to Global Warming California from Sacramento North will become a branch
of the Sonoran Desert. Rain will be a rare thing.” “This year is the start.”
Virtually as I read the article a Tropical storm remnant headed up the Central
Valley and the skies opened….
Fire Season was done…
Oh…What a disgusting future!!: frozen kool-aids!
Every time I wash my car, it is certain to rain soon after.
Conclusion: Washing my car causes rain.
I bought winter tires this year, and the usual annual snow fall didn’t happen.
Conclusion: Installing winter tires prevented snow.
CO2 is rising and the temperature records are showing a rise.
Conclusion: A rise in CO2 causes the Earth’s temperature to rise.
When Al Gore visits a city, extreme weather events seem to occur.
Conclusion: Al Gore is really is weather spirit. Worship him.
Humans can readily make associations and, unfortunately, come to wrong conclusions.
Now you know what the americans indian legend of the white buffalo. means…
The four ages of creation are in me; I am the four ages. I will come to see you in every generation cycle. I shall come back to you
http://www.merceronline.com/Native/native05.htm
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=61
Bob Tisdale (07:10:26)
I don’t think the data exists in the form I would like to see it.
The mainstream only recently asserted in a Discovery Channel documentary that it was the human effect on the atmosphere that had sent the mid latitude jets poleward. That has been demonstrated to be wrong by the shift equatorward again.
Only after the demonisation of CO2 around 1988 was it more fully appreciated that the PDO was significant on a global rather than regional scale and only since then has it slowly become appreciated that each ocean has similar oscillatory behaviour.
I don’t think anyone else has extrapolated from the observations in the way that I have so I can’t produce any evidence from a superior authority (other than the planet itself, that is).
It ties in quite nicely with some of your work though, and that of Vincent Gray and a few others.
My articles at climaterealists.com go into a lot more detail but can be heavy going unless one is on the same track already. However I think time will vindicate my various hypotheses.
@ur momisugly el gordo (01:02:02) : Captain Martin Ingebrigteen ’says that he first noted warmer conditions in 1918, that since that time it has steadily gotten warmer, and that today the Arctic of that region is not recognizable as the same region of 1868 to 1917.’ The warm PDO kicked off in 1916 and 1976 – the great climate shift is under our nose and has nothing to do with AGW.
And we also know in 1913 (SC 15) there were 311 sun-spotless days, just as the sun is quiet now.
Coincidence?
Roger Knights said in reply to my (00:44:26) :
“And yet the charts at Cryosphere Today for Northern Hemisphere Ice Extent back to 1900 are flat until 1970 or so (depending on the season), followed by a distinct decline in recent years. How did they (mis?) estimate the extent for the earlier years?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg
It would be interesting to know when they did the estimate and their methodology-they don’t seem very good at examining historic records. Following my orginal article on the 1820-1860 arctic ice melt I had private correspondance with one of the major snow and ice data establishments who admitted they knew nothing of the melting during the period of which I wrote. If you’re not looking for something you won’t find it I guess.
Tonyb