We’ve all pretty much had it up to our keesters with the brusque and dismissive treatment that commenters who don’t agree with the RC world view get over there. This is why many of us have simply given up trying, there’s no point in attempting to have a relevant and open discussion there anymore.
It should be foremost on the minds of many that the RealClimate.org webserver domain is funded by Fenton Communications, an eco media group. Further, our tax dollars pay the salaries of people like Dr. Gavin Schmidt of NASA GISS who has been (according to several post and comment times noted) using his taxpayer paid time at work to participate in that blog.
One of the missions of RC (Actually most of the mission, as it was setup as a response to the McIntyre and McKitrick paper in E&E, ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 14 NUMBER 6, November 1st 2003) is to counter skeptical arguments. One of the ways they do this in to provide a list of people they disagree with, with links to rebuttals.
Long before RC went online, we have this 10/31/2003 email from Michael Mann, excerpt:
Lets let our supporters in higher places use our scientific response to push the broader case against MM. So I look forward to peoples attempts to revise the first part in particular.
Steve McIntyre started ClimateAudit on 10/26/2004. Here is his very first blog post.
RealClimate.org was registered November 19th, 2004 – see the WHOIS screencap.
Today, while searching for something else, I found myself looking at this list. It reads like a who’s who of climate skeptics, but for one telling and glaring omission…
Here’s the list at RCWiki done as a screencap below and to a PDF file , so that Gavin or Mike or some other team member can’t fix it fast and then claim I “simply didn’t see it”.
Steve McIntyre is missing. Ross McKitrick is missing.
Why?
Because Gavin and Mike and the other Team members know that M&M is right, and they don’t want to draw any attention to it themselves, particularly now. They don’t want RC to have a discussion on the faulty dendro and dubious statistical issues that are fairly presented in peer review by M&M, even though there has been a concerted effort by Team members and associates to stifle publication of dissenting views.
RC and in particular Mann, don’t want to focus on the data, statistical failures, or process, but instead on the “stolen emails” and how they “don’t change the conclusion”. It’s spin cycle science.
A way RC might try to spin this omission would be to say that they don’t consider the argument of M&M valid or prominent, but that won’t fly because they have dismissals listed there of arguments many lesser known skeptics, who have not published a peer reviewed paper, such as Lucy Skywalker. That’s nothing against you Lucy, just an example.
Inarguably, McIntyre and McKitrick are now the two most well known skeptics on the planet, and they are about to become even more well known with a Fox News special tonight.
Yet RC’s world view of Climategate and M&M’s vindication in the emails revealed is to say “it doesn’t matter”, it doesn’t change the conclusions of climate science.” Yeah right, just keep singing that tune.
What Climategate shows more than anything is that the climate science process has been corrupted by a few people with influence, and RC is the centerpiece for showcasing the Team consensus of that corruption.
UPDATE: I made chronology typo in the original posting, fixed within minutes thanks to many commenters who pointed it out. – Anthony
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Wow. This biography about David Fenton, the founder of Fenton Communications, is scary. The stuff he’s done verges on eco-terrorism.
http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/2807
Jimmy Haigh (11:42:27) :
I still like the raging sun at full blown solar maximum on the Real Climate website banner…
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Yes, absolutely, if it’s ‘Real Climate’, why don’t they have a real-time image of the sun as their banner. As the this post is further exposing – pure propaganda.
I bet todays Matt cartoon doesn’t get a mention
December 20 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
I should add that David Fenton’s past gives every indication that the end justifies the means. The scam of AGW is well within his past core ideals.
What should we do with the IPCC establishment?
To quote Voltaire, Ecrassez l’infame!
Nothing surprises me these days. That’s in sharp contrast to when I first started Reading WUWT. I think I’ve become numb to the Team’s lies and deception.
I feel the end is in sight now. The house of cards is falling and not a moment too soon.
Kitefreak (11:45:59),
I watched that video of the Uncle Al interview. I laughed. I am not angry about it at all. I think Al should speak more often as he helps to enlighten people to the real problem about AGW, it doesn’t exist! I love trying to anticipate where the next ridiculous statement is going to come from. I am starting an office pool and taking bets for his next gaffe.
More on Fenton Comm. and RC.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/the_warmist_pr_con_job.html
Jimmy Haigh (11:42:27) :
I still like the raging sun at full blown solar maximum on the Real Climate website banner…
I like this of the sun at both stages….
Some Constant eh?
You are so right Mr. Watts; the perpetrators do not want to call attention to the people who can call them on the carpet with the authority of correct information and analysis. A perhaps even more glaring example of this is Michael Mann’s recent editorial in the Washington Post in which he takes on Sarah Palin (!) rather than Steve McIntyre or Ross McKittrick or anyone else with the knowledge fight back.
Regarding comment from George Turner (11:41:36) — you are aware of course we are periously close to that totalitarian state, what with Obummer making “enemies lists” and the Senate passing legislation it has not read, nor allowed to be read by Members and the public. Face it: This bunch in Washington, led by MAObama, are making actual banana republics look advanced. (Sen. Reid’s 1am vote on health insurance reform is a nice touch…yes?)
Happily, however, we appear to have escaped any impact of consequence from Nopenhagen…and Cap & Tax appears to be dead. That’s good. Hope we can get it to stick.
This article from the same source as tucker’s is a good overview of Environmental Media Services, the communications arm of Fenton Communications, as well as the registering entity of RealClimate. Another interesting factoid — Betsy Ensley, the individual who registered the RealClimate domain on behalf of EMS was also the founder of Bush Green Watch.org and Women against Bush. Not sticking up for Bush, but clearly Ms. Ensley isn’t an objective individual.
Going through their list and clicking on names more or less at random, it’s almost like entering an echo chamber. Their “refutation” of these horrible people are virtually all opinion pieces on RC, DeSmog, Tomino, Joe Romm and the usual cast of “we are all about the science” AGW types.
There may be some actual, you know, “Scientific” rebutals but I didn’t happen to pick one that had any.
This is fascinating. And what a day to discover this on RC’s Wiki… when we can surely use it to turn tables… now we know whose bios need repatriating. And now we know to make special mention of the two who are still evidently NAMELESS here.
“Jimmy Haigh (11:42:27),
I still like the raging sun at full blown solar maximum on the Real Climate website banner…”
That’s not the sun… It’s the RC view of earth with a fever…
working climate scientists
I can almost see the crux of the biscuit.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
I guess everybody’s seen this by now: Wikipedia’s Climate Doctor in the National Post.
stan (11:43:26) :
That’s not true at all. I regularly write my own code since standard package algorithms may not always be implemented in the manner in which I use the algorithms.
And instead of using standard measures of statistical significance, he made up his own.
This, on the other hand… hehe.
Mann ain’t a very good coder, for sure. Ask about Jean S’ opinion on this. 🙂 However, simply writing bad/amateurish code does not debunk his work. The details on which M&M focus are the only thing that can do that.
Mark
Uh, “And instead of … his own.” should have been blockquoted.
Mark
I’ve just connected with a new computer via BING and that initial headline graphic shocked me. Oh no! They’ve taken over! Now, I’ll settle down and read the article.
Until I logged on to the RC wiki site today, I was unaware that John Cook, a serial commenter on my website, was part of the current RC hit squad. I feel honored that he feels I am a threat.
tucker (11:55:53),
I have been trying to enlighten people to this for a while now. The thread goes much much deeper than Fenton and ultimately ends with Soros. I would encourage people interested in this subject to follow the chain, it is truly amazing stuff. You will be astonished to learn who really is driving RealClimate.org. You will further be left with no wonder why they are what they are.
This LINK can get you started. From here, start Google searching various terms and players mentioned. You will discover a ton of information regarding the real roots of RC.
And the alarmists talk about crap like “big oil” … give me a break.
Does thie presence of this list make it into the “investigation” being undertaken by Penn State? I hope they do a thorough job although I know how these investigations of self tend to end up: “…there were some unseemly statements made but there is nothing to indicate any fraud in the science…. we would recommend a code of conduct in communications…” or some other whitewash.
Nopenhagen
In terms of one letter substitution I think that’s great. Really funny.
Hopenhagen, Nopenhagen. Hopenhagen, Nopenhagen.
Hope they’re crying themselves to sleep. And have time to reflect on it over the xmas break. POLITICIANS INCLUDED!