"You wouldn't accept that at a grade 9 science fair…" – CBC finds a moment of clarity on Climategate

Wow, just wow. What an editorial. The CBC’s Rex Murphy on Climategate.

h/t to WUWT reader David Davidovics

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December 4, 2009 2:26 am

Superb, I’ve put this on my blog.

EdBhoy
December 4, 2009 2:30 am

The newsnight article is worth watching. The media are starting to ask the right questions.
My one concern is the repeated claim that HadCRU must be correct because it agrees with GISS and NOAA temperature records. Unless and until GISS and NOAH publish all of their raw data in full, and their algorithms, this “agreement” cannot be verified.

RC Saumarez
December 4, 2009 2:32 am

Newsnight is sticking their toes very gently in the water.
The only quote from “Harry_read_me” was “im an awful programmer” or words to that effect.
Why did they leave out some of the more damning phrases?

December 4, 2009 2:32 am

This is just fantastic stuff.
In the UK the government justified using tax payer propaganda to brain was people and most sinister of all children on the basis that “the science is settled”.
It clearly never was.

mercurius
December 4, 2009 2:45 am

We have breakout!

mikey
December 4, 2009 2:50 am

finally the BBC has provided a “have your say” on climategate.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7310&edition=1&ttl=20091204104909
People should let them know exactly what we think of their unambiguous bias on this matter.

Neil McEvoy
December 4, 2009 2:55 am

The BBC has recognised that the dam has burst.
You can comment/recommend on their ‘Have Your Say’ topic on Climategate:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7310&edition=1&ttl=20091204105320

boballab
December 4, 2009 2:56 am

The UN announcement of an Investigation is as EM Smith said a purely policital move. That “investigation” is basically going to be sitting and waiting to see how things play out. If serious or even close to serious findings are found against CRU and the great un washed masses rebel against AGW, that UN investigation will gin out a report something like this:
“We are shocked and dismayed to find that these trusted and learned men have lied to us, we relied on the peer review process to get us the best scientific conclusions to make decisions in the best interests of the people of the world……” (For those on the Team notice that others can use the “peer reviewed” club to bash you over the head with that you oh so helpfully created.)
If they feel that the Greenwash is plausible enough the UN report will gin out something like this.
“Our Independent investigation of the claims agains the UEA CRU, along with other independent reviews, has found that even though the scientists themselves conducted themselves poorly their science is sound and the debate on AGW is now and should be forever closed. We need now to work even harder to overcome this delay into implementing…”

Leon Brozyna
December 4, 2009 2:56 am

Put that in your Intro to Journalism textbook as a first rate example of even-handed editorializing. This is first-rate quality stuff.

December 4, 2009 2:57 am

Climategate fallout:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/12/03/climategate-fallout.aspx
Clive Crook, senior editor of The Atlantic Monthly and former deputy editor of The Economist:
” The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. ”
UN body wants probe of climate e-mail row:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8394483.stm
Results 1 – 10 of about 28,600,000 for climategate

December 4, 2009 3:01 am

WHY WE SHOULDN’T RELEASE ALL WE KNOW ABOUT THE COSMOS
ClimateGate – humanity endangered?
SpaceGate – “axis of evil”; universe as we know it is the next !
“In 2005, astronomers discovered a mysterious alignment of hot and cold spots in the CMB, which they dubbed the “axis of evil”. If the phenomenon is real, it has important implications for our understanding of the universe. The Planck data will be used to test it. But imagine if cosmologists find another, similar, mystery buried in the data. What will they use to test that one?”
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427375.700-why-we-shouldnt-release-all-we-know-about-the-cosmos.html
Cosmologists are in a paradoxical situation. They strive to acquire data of the highest possible quality to constrain parameters of their models as quickly as possible. But they should be open to NEW FEATURES IN THE DATA THAT ARE NOT PREDICTED BY CURRENT MODELS, and hence to the possibility of having to devise new models and test their predictions….
We therefore propose that such ultimate data sets be treated as the precious resources they are and released slowly and carefully.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.2649v2.pdf
Man (Mann) we are all doomed!

joe
December 4, 2009 3:04 am

First honest reporting by a media icon. WOW!!
A revolt by journalists to report THE NEWS?
PS It’s going to snow along the northern gulf of Mexico.

December 4, 2009 3:05 am

It’s great that the BBC have finally got around to acknowledging the CRU scandal and maybe some there are waking up to news that’s history! And it’s great that finally we, the sceptics, have something big on the warmists. However, let’s keep our feet on the ground. We really need this green line to go down if we are indeed correct in our belief that carbon dioxide is not the warmer that some believe it is. http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+002 If it doesn’t then it’s us that will be defensive this time next year. However, make hay…

MattN
December 4, 2009 3:10 am

This did air, right? No joke?
Well done, and I couldn’t agree more….

Patrick Davis
December 4, 2009 3:20 am

I wonder when we’ll see same in the Australian MSM. Monday? PAH! They’ll still be talking about Tiger Woods bonking some other woman…..
KRudd747, Mzzzz wRong and Mzzzz Gillard are on their jollie trip to a cold Copenhagen.
Chaching!

Cold Englishman
December 4, 2009 3:20 am

Meanwhile Pugh the intrepid explorer is at it again; Having fixed the arctic ice, he’s trying something new. If want a laugh try this:-
http://www.lewispugh.com/
“Well, I’ve changed gears.  Now I am off to Mount Everest.  But bear (sic) with me. I’m neither an “adventurer” nor a tree hugger. I am a new breed of hands-on, act-now activist.
As a maritime lawyer, I have decided to combine my legal skills with a deep commitment to get my message through to decision makers and the media to achieve change within our lifetime. Because I’m not sure there will be another.
Next step – Mt Everest
So in April I will undertaking a swim in a glacial lake under the summit of Mount Everest.  As a result of global warming, temperatures in the Himalayas have risen by 1 degree Celsius and glaciers in the Himalayas are receding faster than in any other part of the world.  Scientists predict they could disappear within 25 years.
 
These glaciers are not just ice. They are a lifeline – they provide water to a fifth of the world’s population. It’s essential that politicians put aside their differences and agree a bold strategy to reduce climate change to below current levels when they meet in Copenhagen at the end of the year. There is not time for delay. ”
As they say “You couldn’t make it up”.

Expat in France
December 4, 2009 3:35 am

HEADS UP
At the risk of straying off topic, those in the UK should tune into Radio 2 at 12:00 today (The Jeremy Vine show). One of the subjects for discussion will be Climategate (hate that term!!).
So, if you are of a mind to, ring in or Email the programme. Every little helps (as the Tesco ads say…).

alleagra
December 4, 2009 3:35 am

Finally the London (UK) Times has an climategate email story with extracts from the emails, annotated with comments from the ‘move along there, nothing to see’ crowd.
From Times Online
December 2, 2009
“E-mails that set climate sceptics buzzing”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6940803.ece

Perry Debell
December 4, 2009 3:39 am

Alec J (00:41:11) :
It was Prof Philip Stott who was interviewed by John Humphries. Prof Stott has an excellent site and it’s very well worth reading all his past reports.
http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times.html
Best wishes,
Perry

Bruce Martin
December 4, 2009 3:39 am

Another first. ClimateGate was the lead item on Australia’s ABC tonight. It only took 2 weeks.

alleagra
December 4, 2009 3:43 am

There is another thoughtful piece in the Spectator (a UK weekly magazine about politics and current news).
“On global warming, we seek to be the still, small voice of calm. As Maurizio Morabito says on page XIII, the truth about global warming is that our understanding of it is in its infancy. Before we tax the poor out of the sky and off the roads, before we slow the world’s economy in a way that will condemn millions to poverty, we should ask just what all this will achieve. Ask precisely where the doubts are. Because after reading the views of the scientists below, no one can argue that the debate is over.”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/5592953/part_2/global-warming-the-truth.thtml

Robert of Canada
December 4, 2009 3:44 am

Rex Murpheyis a skeptic (by nature) The CBC finally let him loose; he is a very influential columnist in Canada.

MarkT
December 4, 2009 3:44 am

Off Topic: BBC Radio 2 Conducting public phone-in discussion on Climategate at noon (Uk Time) today. I think the number is: 0500 298291 – I will correct this if it is wrong!
Anyone interested in furnishing them with an opinion?

Sam the Skeptic
December 4, 2009 3:46 am

“Sir Muir Russell to head the Independent Review into the allegations against the Climatic Research Unit (CRU)”
Good choice I would say. Enough University experience to know what his witnesses are talking about but far enough away from the problem to provide some confidence that he’ll be objective. (Though having been a Principal he may just be part of the “community”. I hope not.)
He was a very effective PS at the Scottish Executive and highly thought of.
[For the benefit of our American friends, a Permanent Secretary is the Civil Service Head of a Ministry as opposed to the political head. As PS at the Scottish Exercutive he was top top dog, so to speak. Boss-man of the whole thing.)

December 4, 2009 3:48 am

To virtualy everyone in the debate outside the science community this is back to the age old issue of left versus right.
Using climate change science methodology I present my thesis.
I smell bullshit and I suspect the Left are responsible for the Bullshit. I research the Bullshit and indeed find evidence of the manufacture of Bullshit by the worlds biggest Bullshitters.
Bullshit deniers are suppressed by Bullshit notably by the left wing organ the BBC (British Bullshit corporation).
In history the left wing bullshit has proved to be wrong on nearly every occassion.Thus.
Conclusion:
Without any scientific device,training or equipment I can safely say man made Climate change is in fact….Bullshit