UPDATE: Some readers took exception to my title, and I can see why now. I regret my choice of wording for the title. “Regulate its escape into the atmosphere” is where I was going. “Regulate” from my perspective in engineering things and making things work is different than what others might think. I wasn’t implying legislation. Recycling and recovery systems is what was in my mind. Gas regulator valves and all that. This passage from the story below was my focus: “Since we already know how to capture methane from animals, landfills, and sewage treatment plants at fairly low cost, targeting methane makes sense,”.
I’ve amended the title [in brackets] -Anthony
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According to the 2007 IPCC AR4 Methane has a “global warming potential” of 25 times that of CO2 over 100 years. Here’s a CH4 budget pie chart. Note that there are several sources where we can manage methane without affecting energy creation. Starting on Methane, rather than CO2, is an idea that I could get behind because it can be recycled and used for many things.

A new paper from Drew Shindell from NASA JPL prompted Roger Pielke Jr. to write:
For years my father has been arguing that:
. . . attempts to “control” the climate system, and to prevent a “dangerous intervention” into the climate system by humans that focuses just on CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases will necessarily be significantly incomplete, unless all of the other first order climate forcings are considered.
His views are now being robustly vindicated as a quiet revolution is occurring in climate science. Here is how PhysOrg reports on a study out today in Science by NASA’s Drew Shindell and others:
According to Shindell, the new findings underscore the importance of devising multi-pronged strategies to address climate change rather than focusing exclusively on carbon dioxide. “Our calculations suggest that all the non-carbon dioxide greenhouse gases together have a net impact that rivals the warming caused by carbon dioxide.”
In particular, the study reinforces the idea that proposals to reduce methane may be an easier place for policy makers to start climate change agreements. “Since we already know how to capture methane from animals, landfills, and sewage treatment plants at fairly low cost, targeting methane makes sense,” said Michael MacCracken, chief scientist for the Climate Institute in Washington, D.C.
This research also provides regulators insight into how certain pollution mitigation strategies might simultaneously affect climate and air quality. Reductions of carbon monoxide, for example, would have positive effects for both climate and the public’s health, while reducing nitrogen oxide could have a positive impact on health but a negative impact on the climate.
“The bottom line is that the chemistry of the atmosphere can get hideously complicated,” said Schmidt. “Sorting out what affects climate and what affects air quality isn’t simple, but we’re making progress.”
Of note, Shindell et al. cautiously suggest that the entire framework of international climate policy may be based on an overly-simplistic view of the human effect on climate, by focusing on carbon dioxide equivalencies in radiative forcing (i.e.,g “global warming potential” or GWP), from their Science paper out today (emphasis added):
There are many limitations to the GWP concept (25). It includes only physical properties, and its definition is equivalent to an unrealistic economic scenario of no discounting through the selected time horizon followed by discounting to zero value thereafter. The 100-year time horizon conventionally chosen strongly reduces the influence of species that are short-lived relative to CO2. Additionally, GWPs assume that integrated global mean RF is a useful indicator of climate change. Although this is generally reasonable at the global scale, GWP does not take into account the rate of change, and it neglects that the surface temperature response to regionally distributed forcings depends on the location of the RF (26) and that precipitation and circulation responses may be even more sensitive to RF location (27). Along with their dependence on emission timing and location, this makes GWPs particularly ill-suited to very short-lived species such as NOx, SO2, or ammonia, although they are more reasonable for longer-lived CO. Inclusion of short-lived species in agreements alongside long-lived greenhouse gases is thus problematic (28, 29).
Read his complete commentary here
Here’s the press release from NASA/JPL with comments from Drew Shindel also.

This map shows the distribution of methane at the surface. New research shows that methane has an elevated warming effect due to its interactions with other substances in the atmosphere. For decades, climate scientists have worked to identify and measure key substances — notably greenhouse gases and aerosol particles — that affect Earth’s climate. And they’ve been aided by ever more sophisticated computer models that make estimating the relative impact of each type of pollutant more reliable.
Yet the complexity of nature — and the models used to quantify it — continues to serve up surprises. The most recent? Certain gases that cause warming are so closely linked with the production of aerosols that the emissions of one type of pollutant can indirectly affect the quantity of the other. And for two key gases that cause warming, these so-called “gas-aerosol interactions” can amplify their impact.
“We’ve known for years that methane and carbon monoxide have a warming effect,” said Drew Shindell, a climate scientist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York and lead author of a study published this week in Science. “But our new findings suggest these gases have a significantly more powerful warming impact than previously thought.”
Mixing a Chemical Soup
When vehicles, factories, landfills, and livestock emit methane and carbon monoxide into the atmosphere, they are doing more than just increasing their atmospheric concentrations. The release of these gases also have indirect effects on a variety of other atmospheric constituents, including reducing the production of particles called aerosols that can influence both the climate and the air quality. These two gases, as well as others, are part of a complicated cascade of chemical reactions that features competition with aerosols for highly reactive molecules that cleanse the air of pollutants.

“Emissions-based” estimates highlight the indirect effects that emissions of certain gases can have on the climate via aerosols, methane, ozone, and other substances in the atmosphere. Credit: NASA/GISS › Larger image
Aerosols can have either a warming or cooling effect, depending on their composition, but the two aerosol types that Shindell modeled — sulfates and nitrates — scatter incoming light and affect clouds in ways that cool Earth. They are also related to the formation of acid rain and can cause respiratory distress and other health problems for those who breathe them.
Human activity is a major source of sulfate aerosols, but smokestacks don’t emit sulfate particles directly. Rather, coal power production and other industrial processes release sulfur dioxide — the same gas that billows from volcanoes — that later reacts with atmospheric molecules called hydroxyl radicals to produce sulfates as a byproduct. Hydroxyl is so reactive scientists consider it an atmospheric “detergent” or “scrubber” because it cleanses the atmosphere of many types of pollution.
In the chemical soup of the lower atmosphere, however, sulfur dioxide isn’t the only substance interacting with hydroxyl. Similar reactions influence the creation of nitrate aerosols. And hydroxyls drive long chains of reactions involving other common gases, including ozone.
Methane and carbon monoxide use up hydroxyl that would otherwise produce sulfate, thereby reducing the concentration of sulfate aerosols. It’s a seemingly minor change, but it makes a difference to the climate. “More methane means less hydroxyl, less sulfate, and more warming,” Shindell explained.
Many atmospheric pollutants compete for access to hydroxyl radicals (OH), highly reactive molecules that “scrub” the atmosphere of pollutants. This diagram illustrates hydroxyl converting methane (CH4) into carbon dioxide (CO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2) into sulfate aerosols. Credit: NASA/GISS › Larger image
His team’s modeling experiment, one of the first to rigorously quantify the impact of gas-aerosol interactions on both climate and air quality, showed that increases in global methane emissions have caused a 26 percent decrease in hydroxyl and an 11 percent decrease in the number concentration of sulfate particles. Reducing sulfate unmasks methane’s warming by 20 to 40 percent over current estimates, but also helps reduce negative health effects from sulfate aerosols.
In comparison, the model calculated that global carbon monoxide emissions have caused a 13 percent reduction in hydroxyl and 9 percent reduction in sulfate aerosols.
Nitrogen oxides — pollutants produced largely by power plants, trucks, and cars — led to overall cooling when their effects on aerosol particles are included, said Nadine Unger, another coauthor on the paper and a climate scientist at GISS. That’s noteworthy because nitrogen oxides have primarily been associated with ozone formation and warming in the past.
A New Approach
To determine the climate impact of particular greenhouse gases, scientists have traditionally relied on surface stations and satellites to measure the concentration of each gas in the air. Then, they have extrapolated such measurements to arrive at a global estimate.
The drawback to that “abundance-based approach,” explained Gavin Schmidt, another GISS climate scientist and coauthor of the study, is that it doesn’t account for the constant interactions that occur between various atmospheric constituents. Nor is it easy to parse out whether pollutants have human or natural origins.
Natural sources of methane include wetlands, termites, decomposing organic materials in ocean and fresh water, and a type of ice called methane hydrate. Man-made methane sources include livestock, rice paddies, biomass burning, landfills, coal mining, and gas production. Credit: U.S Dept. of Energy Technology Laboratory
› Larger image “You get a much more accurate picture of how human emissions are impacting the climate — and how policy makers might effectively counteract climate change — if you look at what’s emitted at the surface rather than what ends up in the atmosphere,” said Shindell, who used this “emissions-based” approach as the groundwork for this modeling project.
However, the abundance-based approach serves as the foundation of key international climate treaties, such as the Kyoto Protocol or the carbon dioxide cap-and-trade plans being discussed among policymakers. Such treaties underestimate the contributions of methane and carbon monoxide to global warming, Shindell said.
Unpacking the Implications
According to Shindell, the new findings underscore the importance of devising multi-pronged strategies to address climate change rather than focusing exclusively on carbon dioxide. “Our calculations suggest that all the non-carbon dioxide greenhouse gases together have a net impact that rivals the warming caused by carbon dioxide.”
In particular, the study reinforces the idea that proposals to reduce methane may be an easier place for policy makers to start climate change agreements. “Since we already know how to capture methane from animals, landfills, and sewage treatment plants at fairly low cost, targeting methane makes sense,” said Michael MacCracken, chief scientist for the Climate Institute in Washington, D.C.
This research also provides regulators insight into how certain pollution mitigation strategies might simultaneously affect climate and air quality. Reductions of carbon monoxide, for example, would have positive effects for both climate and the public’s health, while reducing nitrogen oxide could have a positive impact on health but a negative impact on the climate.
“The bottom line is that the chemistry of the atmosphere can get hideously complicated,” said Schmidt. “Sorting out what affects climate and what affects air quality isn’t simple, but we’re making progress.”
Is today’s column an about-face, Anthony?
My belief and support of WUWT? has always been because I understood you held firmly to the philosophy that as nothing was broken it was both foolish and unnecessary, perhaps even dangerous, to even begin to promote a “fix”.
Today your headline is : An idea I can get behind – regulate methane first.
Where do you really stand?
Burn methane and you get… ta da!… CO2 and water vapor! It’s the curse of the GHG’s.
I don’t see this as a call to action. All I think this is about is that if we “feel the need” to do something, even something relatively useless, at least let it be cheap and have some side benefits.
“[REPLY – WUWT tries to be open minded and covers both sides of the issue(s). Anthony encourages participation by all sides. ~ Evan]”
A post titled “An idea I can get behind – regulate methane first” is choosing a side.
evanmjones (20:50:21) : “I don’t see this as a call to action. …
Assuming you are answering my post two above, Evan, then I cannot accept your: we “feel the need” to do something, even something relatively useless, at least let it be cheap and have some side benefits.” as a reason to promote what is essentially just another “contain and control” scheme unless WUWT? actually believes something, any goddamn thing, must be done.
Is that what WUWT? believes? Has Anthony always believed that? Or is An idea I can get behind – regulate methane first. merely an abberation?
I prefer to believe it is just an abberation; but I do need to actually know.
REPLY: I regret my choice of wording for the title. “Regulate its escape into the atmosphere” is where I was going. I’ve amended the title. “Regulate” from my perspective in engineering things and making things work is different than what others think. I wasn’t implying legislation. Recycling and recovery systems is what was in my mind. -Anthony
Use methane – fine. Capture it – fine too.
But regulate it? That’s just as insane as CO2 regulation.
The planet’s temperature is self regulated. This is what Miskolczi derived from first principals a few years ago and what Lindzen and Choi more recently demonstrated empirically in their August 2009 GRL article.
If the temperature were not self regulated, a “tipping point” would have long ago been tripped. All the BS about “tipping points” is about how badly constructed models fall apart when they are fed bad numbers.
REPLY: I regret my choice of wording for the title. “Regulate its escape into the atmosphere” is where I was going. See amended title and explanation.
“REPLY: I regret my choice of word for the title. …
Thanks, Anthony. Quite a relief. I kept looking down and seeing a shark…
REPLY: Yeah just one of those times when words convey meanings not intended. When I think of the word “regulate” I think on voltage regulators, current regulators, pressure regulators, flow regulators…etc. Other people see the word regulate and think law and legislation, which was not my intent at all. – Anthony
Are you sure, Anthony? Are you certain that methane regulation will save the world from global warming or climate change? Isn’t there more science that should be accomplished before you decide that methane should be regulated?
Ugh.
REPLY: You have the wrong idea, and its my fault for a poor choice of words. Refresh the story and look at the update at top. – Anthony
Before I refresh, I think you are a saint. Thank you for all you do to educate us. The only reason I am able to debate global warmers is because of your blog. God bless and please continue your good work.
Crikey. A better Molotov than the damp squib I threw, Anthony. What manner of heresy was that? Good post! I agree, use it as a fuel. A chicken farmer in Winkliegh, Devon was running his car on the stuff back in the late sixties (until the government tried to tax him off it IIRC) …
So which money trail to follow now, there are several? A couple of clues in this Times article (GWP ratchet again). Guardian obviously on a group hug weekend, team insight on Monday then probably. This is getting more entertaining than the bit player 2012 apocalypse scams by the day. Sony’s new scare ’em half to death movie hits the flea pits on Nov 13th. Timing about right then with Christmas lights going on, hot chestnuts and tinsel everywhere. LOL 🙂
What are the calculations regarding how much warming Methane will create?
I suppose if you you use nuclear to power the following two CO2 strategies, they might remove enough gas from the air:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16621-sunpowered-device-converts-co2-into-fuel.html
http://www.grestech.com/
I would like to add some tech to remove CO2 to make carbon fiber as a CO2 sink. I see the above as way to solve perceived problems, and a legitimate dependency on foreign oil. Why not do the same to another greenhouse gas, methane?
I prefer active removal as opposed to a silly cap and trade strategy that China and India will not implement.
It is interesting to see how this article has triggered a knee-jerk reaction from the crowd that undermines the credibility of the non-alarmist camp.
Note to partisan deniers:
Negotiation is a fine art.
Conclusion:
There really is a serious difference between being a non-alarmist and being a denier.
The political dynamic is changing.
Reminder:
In order to rule, you need to secure power. Extremist ideology, of any variety, is not necessarily the path to security & prosperity.
Anthony is wise to spark this internal debate *now* (as opposed to later…)
Aligner (22:30:37) :
“So which money trail to follow now…?”
Here’s one.
http://tinyurl.com/yzgnz7h
Paul Vaughan (23:09:20) :
“Anthony is wise to spark this internal debate *now* (as opposed to later…)”
Quite right.
They used to harvest methane from sealed landfills and burn it to generate “green” power, a great idea. However, the big wigs in europe decided this practice made landfills economic and therefore had to go to discourage new landfills from being constructed, well done politicians, next they will no doubt decree that methane from landfills should be harvested and burnt!
Anthony – some more clarification please.
As I’ve stated above, I’m open to the recycling methane. But I think maybe one of the reasons your initial title was taken in a manner other than you figured it would be is that the article is still couched in the absolute fairy tale “pseudo-science” that is AGW. The authors want to add another raison d’être for the existence of the global, governmental, quasi science groups like IPCC. This isn’t a pollution related document. It’s another angle for the AGW crowd to their nose under the tent. This entire viewpoint is so utterly anathema to most readers of this blog including myself that whatever other valid points the article may contain just can’t be taken seriously.
If this were an article about how we can pollute less or get off foreign oil and make the US more independent then great. Let’s talk. But it is NOT about that, it’s based on the myth that is AGW and must be despised for the methane producing garbage that it is.
Just my $.02.
In summary, they lost me at “In particular, the study reinforces the idea that proposals to reduce methane may be an easier place for policy makers to start climate change agreements.”
🙂
At first glance I thought this looked like an interesting and serious paper about methane. But then I noticed “NASA/GISS” and “Gavin Schmidt” and the fact it is published in “Science” and unfortunately my BS meter went off the scale again.
Perhaps I need to come out of the closet here. The fact is, I have worked for 35 years in the British Coal Industry. (I’m proud of it. We helped keep the lights on.) But perhaps Anthony needs to flag my comments in some way to avoid being accused of being in the pocket of “Big Coal”. Except that, in the UK it is now actually “Tiny, Pathetic Little Coal” and my directors are far more interested in working out the angles on Carbon Trading than they are in examining (let alone challenging) the AGW “Science”.
Anyway. This methane paper seems to be an attempt to line up the next panic and the next avalanche of research grants for when their CO2 fox gets shot.
But the interesting thing is that the Coal Industry has made huge advances in capturing methane from coal mines and mine gas and using it to generate electricity. Other industries have done similar things. In some cases they have managed to get some kind of subsidy along the way but not always and it is often being done for sound commercial reasons. (Compare and contrast with the ludicrous schemes for “carbon sequestration”!)
Clearly, utilising methane (or any other kind of waste or byproduct) makes absolute sense if it increases efficiency and saves money. Just as recycling metallic scrap makes sense (whereas recycling cardboard and plastic bottles probably doesn’t – much more sensible to burn them and make electricity and heat energy).
If you believe that this will also save the planet? Well, that’s your hangup. I always hesitate to poke fun at anyone’s religion. (Unless they threaten to destroy the economy and plunge millions into poverty and despair whilst they are worshipping!)
Paul Vaughan (23:09:20) “… Anthony is wise to spark this internal debate *now* (as opposed to later…)”
You wrote this before or after reading Anthony’s “Reply” paragraphs, Paul? And before or after Anthony changed the head lines?
There was a strong philosophical reason for the challenges. There was a fundamental dichotomy created. I would prefer to leave the subject alone following Anthony’s responses; but I will not accept being branded as a knee jerk. My comments were considered in mind and draft before being posted. In their time they were correct.
Jeremy says
“We don’t need more hype and alarmism and another new wasteful environmental policy on Methane…”
Since methane is a fuel and therefore a valuable resource and the world is short of fuels thanks to rapid population growth it makes sense to harvest the methane which is easily available.
Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater for the sake of pursuing a spat with alarmists, say I.
How to guarantee non-ending climate research funding:
1. find a gas A that should have a strong warming effect
2. persuade political instances that emissions of A should be forcibly regulated ( = limited)
3. when Nature does not follow (warming does not increase with rising emissions) put a blind eye
4. when blind eye and denial of non-causality become impossible to defend, find another gas B
5. exchange A with B. In programming language B:=A
6. goto 1
sorry: I goofed
step 5. A:=B
step 6. goto 2
Methane sequestration technology…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/cow-gas-tank-404_686141c.jpg
…something I would prefer not to be behind, especially if it leaks. So, it’s a good thing for us that we have a brave volunteer.
But seriously, I repeat. “Regulate What?”
http://www.carboncommentary.com/wp-includes/images/methane.png
Methane has gone from about 1,785 to 1,795 parts per billion in about the last 10 years. What is so threatening about 1ppb per year? Sorry, I just don’t see the urgency. Note, that’s from the geniuses at Mauna Loa.
ASIDE – there’s a US Army Air Force base just 20 miles from Mauna Loa that’s been taking temp readings since 1940. To see it, go here…
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mauna+loa+temperature
…and under “History & forecast” place your cursor over “Current Week.” A drop-down menu will be activated, from which choose “All.” I trust you will be pleasantly amused.
And if that’s not enough to get you to stop worrying about trace gasses that have an essentially insignificant affect on temperatures, check this out…
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/2009/09/melting-greenland-you-would-be-hard-put.html
One would think that King Canute or Cnut the Great if you prefer had laid to rest
1 000 years ago the conceited notion that mortal Man can control the natural elements or should try.
You should have left your original title because irrespective of what you meant by it, it would be but a matter of time before those scorpions without a personality – I refer to the political class – would tax and regulate in that other sense. Like scorpions, they cannot help the way they are and behave.
Personally I just want clean water, adequate food supply, decent roads, cheap petrol, cheap energy, my rubbish taken away regularly, modest luxuries, time to marvel at our scientific and technological advance, a stop put to a self-serving, self-aggrandising political neo-aristocracy imposing their social engineering and trying to arrest ” the environment” in some supposed perfect state of their imagining.
In fact the way life used to be before our modern political class started improving things.
I just want to get on with the rest of my life. “The Planet” can take care of itself and if that means getting rid of Mankind so be it. By what arrogant assumption do we suppose Mankind is the final word in the evolution of Earth or that Man’s time on Earth as opposed to elsewhere in a vast Cosmos is the final chapter of his development?
One of the things about saying that Methane should be regulated, not CO2, is it fits with the trend to try to “improve” legislation that is erroneous or evil in its conception. It’s the problem with deals with the devil. You always advance his program. We need to STOP the UN/Obama cabal, not steer it.