Monckton on Glenn Beck video now available

In case you missed it live, Christopher Monckton spent an entire hour on the Glenn Beck program today on the topic of global warming, skepticism, and the Copenhagen Treaty.

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The video is now available.

Watch it below.

I think Lord Monckton did a splendid job.

To see the proposed Copenhagen Treaty, see this essay on the subject here.


Parts 1-7 of the hour long video are below. YouTube has time limits on clips, so it is broken up into parts 1-7.

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tarpon

Beck put’s on a great show, Lord Monckton did splendidly.

Gene Nemetz

Available now? THAT WAS FAST!

Gene Nemetz

“Al baby”

Henry chance

Nanny state. My mother said to turn off the lights. Now Obama wants a smart grid to see if I did. Obama knows better when I should save energy and run my dishwasher.

Kum Dollison

Having Bolton there was perfect. Kept it out of tinfoil hat-land. Excellent use of Lindzen’s work. Great show.
Got a kick out of the “Al-Baby.”

Ivan

But this is just 8 minutes of the show. What about the rest?
REPLY: refresh, see updates for parts 1-6 – Anthony

This clip is only 9 minutes long.
It’s on again at 2AM EST. Someone linked to this streaming site that doesn’t seem to require a plug-in:
http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.com/television/index.html?http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b5202.htm

Robinson

Well, this is Fox, so, again, preaching to the converted. Interesting though, although I sometimes think Monkton is a little pompous!

Danny V

Loved it when Lord Monckton called out Gore.

Here’s the Guardian on Monckton’s appearance:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/30/lord-monckton-glenn-beck-copenhagen
They seem worried, I can tell by the tone of their insults…

The last & the best part:

Ecotretas

Carlo

Can someone show the CO2 Math in part 4?
Thanks

Atomic Hairdryer

Ah, old school politician. Shame we don’t make them like that any more. I’d also pay good money to see Lord Monckton debate Ed Milliband, but like Gore, doubt that would happen.
Favourite part for me was about 7.30 into the first part-
Glenn Beck: How does anybody know what anything means any more?
Lord Monckton: That’s the idea.

Ron de Haan

Anthony, are you posting any other clips because it’s not complete!

I’m a lonnng time Dem (a Texas Dem, which is different from a regular Dem) and hate hate HATE that the AGW movement became so politicized. I’ve said for quite a while that if the Obama presidency ever signed that treaty or the Cap and Trade bill became law, I’d flip to the Repubs. I know it’s not a big thing in the scheme of things, but it’s a huge issue for me personally — I don’t take switching sides lightly.
This isn’t like rooting for your favorite sports franchise here.
This is the real stuff.

Fred from Canuckistan . . .

The Beck show replays later tonight.
11:00pm in the Pacific time zone.
My PVR is set

Steve S.

Doubt not that the left watches FOX and steam was was coming out of their ears in their heated hatred of Beck and the skeptics.
This was indeed an outstanding show.

Bernie

Monckton and Bolton are actually too good and too substantive for Beck. Don’t get me wrong, I think Beck did a superb job on the Commiczars and Acorn, but he simply got in the way here. Monckton is great in these two programshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2zaPCYgovg&feature=PlayList&p=BC2D71C7AB28A6C8&index=0 and http://www.vidoosh.tv/play.php?vid=5281.
Bolton is probably the smartest foreign policy expert we have: Clear thinking and tough-minded.
Alas Beck and those damn commericals created a really fractured presentation. It would have been easier if Bolton and Monckton appeared on separate shows.

Mark

Anthony, thanks for posting these videos. And you are right, Monckton did a fantastic job.

Once again, very warmest thanks to my good friend Anthony Watts for posting up the video-clips of the entire Glenn Beck show so very quickly, and to the many kind commentators who enjoyed the show.
In response to the enquirer who wanted the economic math from the Lord-Board in segment D, here it is:
Global CO2 emissions at present are 30 billion tons/year (EIA), causing atmospheric concentration to rise by 2 ppmv/year (NOAA). So 15 billion tons emitted will increase atmospheric concentration by 1 ppmv/year. The UN (IPCC, 2007; see also BERN climate model), on scenario A2, which comes closest to the pattern of actual emissions today, says its central estimate of CO2 concentration in 2100 will be 836 ppmv. So the UN thinks we’ll add (836-368) = 468 ppmv to the atmosphere during the 21st century. Multiply that by 15 billion tons/ppmv and the UN is implicitly projecting that, in the absence of any mitigation, the world will emit (468 x 15 bn) = 7 trillion tons CO2 this century. It also projects (IPCC, 2007) that this extra CO2 will raise global temperature by around 7° F. So we need to forego 1 trillion tons of CO2 emission per 1° F warming forestalled. Divide 1 trillion by 30 billion (which Beck and Bolton had more than a little difficulty with), and one concludes that we’d have to close down the entire world carbon economy for 33 years just to forestall a single Fahrenheit degree of warming. Since the UN has exaggerated the warming effect of CO2 sixfold (Lindzen & Choi, 2009), make that 200 years. Therefore, there’s no point in mitigation because the cost is extravagantly disproportionate to the benefit. – Monckton of Brenchley

EdB

An excellent presentation of Prof Lindzens paper, PROVING the global warming models wrong. There is no wiggle room here.. those darn photons of energy are escaping the clutches of that blanket of CO2.
Great work Anthony, it was
priceless!

Ed Scott

The end of the interview was truncated. Here is the completion:
Monckton Says Al Gore a COWARD and Will NOT Debate

The hour long interview, Michael Coren with Lord Christopher Monckton is also highly recommended.

Kum Dollison

Lord, Viscount, Monckton of Brenchley?
Uh, don’t you have a “first” name? Even “Al baby” Gore has a first name. The folks down in Mississippi don’t know much about Viscounts, and such.

Evan Jones

Sic ’em, melord! [*respectfully tugging forelock*]
And of course one wonders how we’re even going to get to over 800 ppmv by 2100 if we continue to add only 2 to 3 ppmv per year, unless we see a heck of an upward curve.
But one does have to consider the diminishing returns of CO2, so the amount of time will be greater at the far end, less at the near end. But still that’d be around 20+ years of shutdown — stipulating of course that the IPCC is correct about CO2 in the first place.

Ron de Haan

I am still missing the final part of the interview. Why is that?

Gene Nemetz

Robinson (16:55:09) :
Well, this is Fox,
The other ones combined don’t get as good ratings as Fox. What good would it do to go on CNN or MSNBC and have much less viewers? They have very low ratings, few watch them because they are clearly biased.
You shouldn’t think that only ‘converts’ were watching. For example, I think very, very few people knew that Lord Monckton has been challenging Al Gore to debate for years. But they know now and that gives me a feeling of sublime happiness!! The horse is out of the barn on that one now!
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Many people have gone to Fox because they know all the others are hopelessly biased.

Gene Nemetz

evanmjones (18:34:01) :
<i.unless we see a heck of an upward curve… the diminishing returns of CO2…less at the near end
You were right at the beginning, “a heck of an upward curve”. They’ll take the “less at the near end” and flip it over into a hockey stick. 😉

Manuel

Dear Lord Monckton,
I am sorry but I don’t think that these back of an envelope calculations to which you seem to be so keen are useful.
On the one hand, since the relation between CO2 concentration and increase of temperature is logarithm so 1º F does not require 1/7 of the increase that causes 7º F but a somewhat greater proportion. On the other hand, since the current yearly increase is only 2 ppmv but the total in 90 years is 468 ppmv not 180 ppmv, the rate of increase should be accelerating quite fast. Most probably exponentially. Therefore you can’t calculate the number of years to emit 1 billion by using the current rate of emission, but should consider the rate of acceleration.
Other than that, I enjoyed very much the show. Good work!

tangoactual

I absolutely love the math lesson given. I will wait patiently for the warmers to lead the way in giving up all electricity and internal combustion for the next 230 years just to return the planet to some imaginary “normal” temperature that existed before industry.
Al (you know who you are), you can start first by turning off the electricity to that big house in the Tennessee hills and riding and ass to town to pick up the groceries.

Wonderful! Thank you, Anthony, for setting this up on your blog. I enjoyed it immensely.
“Al baby”….LOL

Monckton makes two points on the science, one that is a confusing defeatist hand waving argument that states that we would have to shut down all industry for 33 years to achieve a mere 1 degree cooler result in a century, the other is that models are wrong about positive feedback.
The positive feedback is the work of Lindzen at MIT. The case was made, several months ago, that his complete debunking of climate models could be disregarded since he used an older data set. His work was based on an the ERBE (Earth Radiation Budget Experiment) satellite. He evidently showed that as ocean surface T goes up, *more* instead of less % of radiation escapes into space so there is in fact a negative instead of positive feedback at work, and ALL climate models are utterly wrong.
I followed this discussion recently and it seemed to come and go without resolution. So I wonder what the real result is, using the updated data? Is it that there can no longer be claimed that feedback is negative, but merely not positive?
Discussion began and ended last April with Lindzen admitting there was an issue but claiming that he didn’t trust the corrected data due to the simple fact that it made his result less radical (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/30/lindzen-on-negative-climate-feedback/). Not a satisfactory resolution!
As a chemist following this debate I’m afraid the skeptical side is lacking in ability to clear this sort of thing up. One big hit to my ability to trust the skeptics at face value is how the SurfaceStations.com effort, although a very cool example of folk science at work…fails to itself provide nor link to the simplest result a curious observer would require:
The graph of overall temperature vs. the graph of data only from the absolute best stations! My desire for info went on for months. Then I happened to run into an NOAA paper that provided this exact thing and showed *no* difference between the two graphs! Hello, *not* a good thing to withhold instead of owning up to it. The entire thrust of the Surface Stations project, namely the theory that heat island effects put temperature data in doubt, was negated. All I see about this is a promise of a future paper. Well, what’s the point if no heat island effect was found? The Journal of Negative Results might be a good place to submit to.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/about/response-v2.pdf
So if Lindzen’s work needs updating then where the heck is the updated “slope graph” that can be set against the group of “climate model slope assumptions” graphs? Does it still point up instead of down, or does it point sideways?
Where is the updated result? The divide here isn’t between big guns and cheerleaders, since I’m no cheerleader. The divide is between those who regularly use statistics and data visualization software and those who don’t. I am a synthetic organic chemist who went into nanofabrication. I simply do not have the ability to reproduce Lindzen’s work with the old and updated data, but if the software hacks here would provide it, I am certainly qualified to understand it and thus comment in a useful way.
Did Glenn Beck via Monckton just tell millions of people that there is a negative feedback involved in CO2 science when in fact there isn’t?
I keep looking for a simple yet forceful debunking of AGW theory…and so far every lead sort of putters out so I am merely left with being able to show that AGW itself lacks support.
I get the feeling that both sides are damnable in the same immoral way in that neither side owns up to mistaken enthusiasms. One clings to the Hockey Stick. That is enough to make me discount them, thankfully. But the skeptic’s side is starting to grate on my nerves as well. I wasted a hell of a lot of time looking into the big claims of the skeptical side. Lately it was trying to find the needle in the haystack of peer reviewed skeptic articles (http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html). That CO2 nor methane can be a greenhouse gas was interesting to learn about and then infuriating to learn more about and how a pedantic technicality was used to make this claim, merely. Ugh. “Heat cannot transfer from cold bodies to hot ones.” No, but cold bodies can act as insulating blankets towards heat loss from hot bodies! On and on it goes.
I know there’s entertaining sport in debate, but some of us just want answers. It looks like AGW is sufficiently debunked to make a good case, but it will require a half dozen points to be made instead of a single trump card being slammed down. But there are another hundred skeptical points that don’t stand up to scrutiny and so can be waved away with a soundbite. In this case the soundbite that will deflate Lindzen is that he used old data. Millions of people on the fence will be storming the web in the next week or two, looking into the background of the Lindzen paper and that single soundbite will make them hardened in their view of Beck and skeptical spokesmen as utter loons.
Given that Lindzen’s paper may indeed have used the WRONG data, maybe they are loons.

Jeff B.

Well done Lord Monckton. It is humbling to see the deep respect you have for our Constitution. If only our leaders shared that respect.

SamG

The black board formula is the most telling here. Assuming the wamist’s are right, it would take thirty three years of idle industry to reduce the global temp by 1 degree F.
Of course, if you make the AGW scenario appear a lot worse than it is, people will accept the taxation of industry with the presumed benefit of discouragement. Yet as Lord Monckton says, it is futile anyway.
If this is not a cover for socialism (i.e. revenge on the wealthy), I don’t know what it.

Ron de Haan

Gore HAS gone crazy, predicting 220 ft sea level rise within 10 years, polar icecap already 40% gone. He is ripe for a mental institution!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/gore_gone_wild_predicts_220_fo.html

Oh, this was great! Makes me want to run out and vote for some more Bush craziness, Jeb Bush! The other decendant of President Franklin Pierce (Barbara Pierce Bush) who allowed “Bloody Kansas” to kick off the civil war. See a pattern here?

Gene Nemetz

Monckton of Brenchley (18:11:18) :
the Lord-Board
Those little jokes at the chalk board were fun!! Actually you were fun at other moments too.
I know Glenn Beck has good ratings. So many people heard things about global warming they had never heard before. I think this show started the ball rolling in public on many points of this global warming issue and put ‘an inconvenient wedge’ in Al Gore’s style.
Thank you Monckton of Brenchley!
I don’t know what the internet symbol for a pat on the back is else I’d put it here. 😉

NikFromNYC (19:02:30) :
“So I wonder what the real result is, using the updated data?”
Has the updated data been homogenized? Or pastuerized?

therightscoop

You are always welcome to embed my playlist:

gtrip

Kum Dollison (18:32:51) :
Lord, Viscount, Monckton of Brenchley?
Uh, don’t you have a “first” name? Even “Al baby” Gore has a first name.
You are such a dork there Kum. His name is Christopher and everyone except you apparently knows this. Why don’t you go make fun of: Dr. Dre., jay Z, and the likes instead?

Michael D Smith

Nicely done, Lord Monckton. In your future presentations, may I suggest you also mention Spencer and Idso’s work on the subject, among many others, which also demonstrates very strong negative feedback in support of very small temperature changes for a doubling of CO2.
Please also put Lindzen’s work into perspective and explain in everyday terms that the mechanism of heat transport on earth does not rely on a theoretical homogeneous sphere of gas which might support the idea of a greenhouse, but instead relies on convection and water vapor phase change which can transport enormous amounts of energy “through the blanket”, and deliver it to within a very short distance to space, with which it can radiate through a very thin layer of gas and escape unimpeded, thus negating the supposed warming effect of a “blanket”. It also explains the dominance of H20 over CO2.
The effect makes the theoretical greenhouse more akin to one with a lot of shifting broken windows (following storms). Explain how an abundance of heat (if any) directly impacts tropical storm development and how storm intensity (every day) is directly related to daytime high temperature and humidity. This is what people see everyday and understand, and as Lindzen finally proved, is exactly what happens. Make an analogy of storm formation to boiling water in a tea kettle. If the tea kettle were somehow constrained to horizontal layers, the greenhouse effect might be more valid. Convection blows through the layers. Your chart of greenhouse effect estimates over time demonstrates that with increasing knowledge of the dynamic nature of the atmosphere, the effect is historically always over estimated. It’s a powerful chart that people will understand.
Great Job (kneeling, bowing, calling you Sir…. nice touch)…
When is your scheduled appearance with Scott Pelley?

Konrad

Ed Scott, thanks for posting the last of the video, I was searching the web for it with no success.
Thanks also to Christopher Monckton for your continuing efforts in the climate debate. Your presentation of Prof Lindzen’s important work was clear and very understandable. Even Glenn Beck got it! Given the number of people who watched your Minnesota speech, I expect a few million will soon know about Lindzen’s findings.

Kum Dollison

I, also, would like to know the story on that ERBE Data.
Didn’t I see Lindzen using it just a month, or so, ago?

therightscoop

Sorry I mean this one.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=29BFFBB28D11AAB9
Also great site here. Loved the story of the hockey stick.

tangoactual

NikFromNYC (19:02:30) :
Monckton makes two points on the science, one that is a confusing defeatist hand waving argument that states that we would have to shut down all industry for 33 years to achieve a mere 1 degree cooler result in a century…
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Maybe I misunderstand but what is confusing, defeatist or obtuse about the argument that the other side’s numbers add up to a figure that implies a solution that is at face value, quite simply, insane?
The rest of your post addresses feedback which I am not qualified to address but I am curious about your first point if you wouldn’t mind to elaborate. It seems logical to me but I am not above being corrected.

Gary

Ugh. Glen Beck and John Bolton both make my stomach churn. But I did appreciate seeing Monckton. Too bad this took place on Fox where it simply becomes part of the Left/Right waste of time. Since it was on Beck’s show it will be viewed as a “Rightwing” opinion and won’t be accepted as unbiased.
Am I merely a pessimist? No way. I’ve been deeply involved in politics for a long time. This ongoing Left/Right nonsense will destroy America. It is the Left/Right punch of the same monster: Big Government. And there’s no end in sight.

DR

@ NikFromNYC
It is quite obvious you have not done your research on surface station issues. Please do, then rethink NOAA’s graph…..
Start here:
http://tinyurl.com/yl2q3xf Note “That is blatantly untrue” 🙂
http://tinyurl.com/yhleqsp
http://tinyurl.com/yz8zkcn

J. Bob

No wonder Glen Beck’s ratings are nipping at O’Reiley’s heels. Having Bolton on, gave an excellent perspective on some of the geo-politics involved, and was the frosting on the cake.

Bruckner8

NikFromNYC (19:02:30) :
It looks like AGW is sufficiently debunked to make a good case, but it will require a half dozen points to be made instead of a single trump card being slammed down.

If you’re as science-minded as you claim, then you know this is false. If the trump card falsifies AGW, then AGW is debunked, period. If you think it will take “half-dozen” points, then you must agree with the premise that AGW’s focus is basically a propaganda war, and not science at all! And if it’s not science…then why are you–a scientist–even giving it any measure whatsoever?

Gene Nemetz

just saw the last segment again
once more “Al baby”
🙂
🙂

Roger Knights

Hi Chris. There’s a typo (a common error) in your post–change to “forgo” in:
“So we need to forego 1 trillion tons of CO2 emission …”