From the “weather is not climate department”….whether it is cold or snow, long lived records keep falling, and recently in large numbers.
Today, new “minimum high” records fell in a traditionally warm southwest state.
Flagstaff, and Prescott, Williams, and Winslow Arizona all significantly bested the old records set on this date. Here’s the outlook map from the NWS Flagstaff:
And here is the NWS record event report:
FGZ RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FLAGSTAFF, AZ 713 PM MST WED OCT 28 2009 ...RECORD LOW HIGH TEMPERATURES FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA ON OCT 28 2009... CITY (PERIOD OF RECORD) NEW LOW HIGH PREVIOUS RECORD/YEAR FLAGSTAFF (1898 - 2009) 32 35 IN 1996 FORT VALLEY (1909 - 2009) 31 32 IN 1972 GRAND CANYON NP S RIM (1966 - 2009) 36 37 IN 1989 GREER (1905 - 2009) 27 35 IN 1991 HEBER RS (1950 - 2009) 31 36 IN 1976 PAGE (1958 - 2009) 42 48 IN 1996 PHANTOM RANCH (1966 - 2009) 48 58 IN 2000 PRESCOTT (1898 - 2009) 38 46 IN 1996 WILLIAMS (1897 - 2009) 30 39 IN 1996 WINSLOW (1893 - 2009) 43 47 IN 1991 ...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA ON OCT 28 2009... CITY (PERIOD OF RECORD) NEW LOW PREVIOUS RECORD/YEAR NAVAJO NM (1939 - 2009) 16 19 IN 1970 PHANTOM RANCH (1966 - 2009) 41 41 (TIED) IN 1970 THESE RECORDS ARE PRELIMINARY PENDING OFFICIAL REPORTS.
h/t to Gene Nemetz, now send in the trolls
California is about 2 deg F colder than average for October 2009. (Oct 1 – Oct 28). Will be interesting to see how NOAA spins this one, making it the hottest October on record.
http://tinypic.com/r/29pdxr5/4
This is from http://www.calclim.dri.edu/
Alexander Feht (18:10:19) :
Some end of October for the American Southwest!
I’m wondering how harsh this winter will be. I’m wondering if this will continue as a general trend for 30-40 years as some have forecast from learning about patterns in the sun. I am wondering if some parts of the world will have food shortages in soon coming years from shorter growing seasons.
This morning in South Colorado
You must get huge snow storms there. I think snow in trees after a storm is wonderful. I always love seeing it. Beauty everywhere you look. A bit of heaven on earth.
We are running two stoves
I hope you have a good supply of wood that has taken in to account that winter will likely be colder, with more snow, and last longer. I, myself, have always loved hot chocolate, siting by the stove, and looking out the window at the snow.
Roger Sowell (23:28:02) :
October data should be interesting indeed.
David Q. (22:01:48) :
Here is the page from the link copied from the address window at top :
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2009&ui_day=302&ui_set=2
This illustration show the snow in Mexico (as you have already pointed out: not New Mexico) :
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2009&ui_day=302&ui_set=0
David Q. (22:01:48) : David,
Thanks for the link–I found a new toy!
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Animation of the last 31 days that ends with the snow in Mexico you talked about :
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/loop/usa-1mo-loop.html
DaveE (20:15:05) :
Gene Nemetz (19:57:43) :
Really ruined a nice run of sheep jokes LOL
Never mind, ewe will get over it.
I live in Tempe, a suburb of Phoenix. Yesterday I woke up early and looked at the non-official temp site in Chandler, city next door. Temp was 37 Deg. F.
Verfied this on my own outdoor thermometer.
Went to the “official” temp site for Phoenix, Sky Harbor airport, embedded in the center of the city. “Official” low for the night was 45 deg. F. at the airport.
I guess putting the temp sensor in the middle of a sea of asphalt, running jet engines, and the the concrete and roofing of the fifth largest city in the country
keeps those mins up!
Amazing that we’re getting the lows we’re getting, given the stacking of the deck.
It’s cold here in the desert.
“Jimmy Haigh (19:12:11) :
DaveE (18:12:19) :
How long can it be before the sheeple start asking questions?
Back2Bat (18:27:48) :
It bleats me.
If it gets really ba-ad, maybe then the sheeple will ask what the flock it’s all about.
With any luck, before they’re fleeced.
SaveE.”
No elitism here.
Gene Nemetz (22:59:59) :
p.s. you’re the DaveE that used to comment a lot on YouTube with gerjanp?
I do sometimes post there, but not with this moniker.
I do know gerjanp quite well too. (Well enough to know his real name, as do you.)
I got sick of the attitude there, (both ‘sides’) so avoid it generally.
DaveE.
Hey, I need some help up here in Boston. I moved 2 tons of my wood pellets for my pellet stove that I use to warm my house. I have another ton to go. You get tired doing that. Anyway, the guy is going to deliver another 3 tons pretty soon and I have to get them moved. I can stow them someplace out of the way, but I would rather have them indoors. When wood pellets get wet, they go back to sawdust and clog your auger. I am prepared for BIG AL (getting bigger all the time). I figure with COP15, we should have a high temp of 0 F doe most of the winter.
“This is a happy occasion! Let’s not bicker and argue about ewe killed ewe.”
You poor soles. If its cold where you are its warm somewhere else and sure enough here in SW France we are having a superb spell of global-local warming. Virtually no rain since june, temps consistently above norm and this week temps varying between 26 and 28°C daytime max. Bring on the warming I love it.
Winter forecast. UK Met warm, Acc Weather cold mid and late, chinois very cold winter generally. On verra.
Stay warm in the US
Methow Ken (20:31:44) People may not realize how cold that is for Phantom Ranch. I went through there in May a few years back at 105°F, well before the summer heat.
Here in west central Colorado we recieved ~6″ of snow, .55″ moisture content. Snow this early is not unusual…what is unusual is that it snowed over 72 hours now and hasn’t been above freezing. A quick inch or two and a cool day in the 40’s would be usual. Can’t help but think a widely impacting snowstorm like this will affect albedo, will require unusual amounts of heat to melt the snow, thus making for an early loss of the retained heat from summer. This without mentioning the fact that summer began a month late, we had three nights in the 30’s the first week of August, and from the first day after the equinox, it froze 10 nights the first two weeks of fall. It can be argued any of these isn’t unusual weather. As singular events, true. The coincidence of so many that seem contrary to ‘warming’ perhaps odd, yet the extreme of each, either in temperature range or duration, plus their coincidence seems extreme.
Send the trolls to the southwest. With snowfall, the jobs are shovel ready.
If snow and ice is early and colder, it seems to me that would hurt prospects for taxing energy.
DaveE (06:30:15) :
(Well enough to know his real name, as do you.)
Her.
All weather records, tied or broken, for all dates available (starting on 1/1/2009), for ALL States (ending 10/29/2009)
(All Records): 92446
(H) High Temperature: 12290
(HM) Highest Minimum Temperature: 14261
(L) Low Temperature: 8955
(LM) Lowest Maximum Temperature: 17486
(R) Rain/Precipitation: 34170
(S) Snow: 5284
Warm (H + HM) Records: 28.9%
Cold (L + LM) Records: 28.9%
Precip. (R + S) Records: 43.2%
This data came from extremeweatherrecords.com
and hamweather.com . Neither site has a complete tally for the year, so I put the data together.
From what I could research, low records are about to exceed high records for the first time in 10 years, maybe longer. Maybe someone could link me a site that stores the data sets for extreme weather for the last 20 years. That would prove very helpful.
Now alarmists can say all they want, but with two months to go and a full winter ahead of us, 2009 is stacking up to be the coldest ever in over a hundred years or longer, in US history.
I know one year doesn’t break a trend, but it does call into question the predictions for a dry, drought-ridden, hurricane/tornado infested and ever higher temp. record year. None of those predictions proved accurate and cold anomaly weather records and the opposite of those predictions is happening.
Hurricanes..none. BBQ summer..none. Tornadoes..hmm, very little. Arctic Ice.. sorry, rebounding. Polar Bears.. are you *#?@+/* kidding me.. next. I thought we were being told that these events would be ever increasing– oh wait– this just in.. ‘or possibly in the next, oh , 2 to 50 years’.
Give me a break.
Even in IPCC’s report, they comment that their predictions could be 20% off.
Is our lives now and those of our children likened to a football game point spread and we’re makin bets to the bookie for our future well being and the payoff is GREEN Tech shoved down our throats . Only to wake up and find out that AGW was wrong and we’re battling hunger and starvation and death because we lost our bet to a new LIA.
Time to wake up America!
Oops. Got my percentages wrong.
Should read:
Warm (H + HM) Records: 28.8%
Cold (L + LM) Records: 28.6%
Precip. (R + S) Records: 42.6%
Sorry.
Ok. So I do a web crawl for monthly temperature records and the second hit I get is this:
The United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN)
Main Page Long-Term Daily and Monthly Climate Records from. Stations Across the Contiguous United States ..
cdiac.ornl.gov/../ushcn.html
No big deal right? Access to USHCN data is on the Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center web site. I just find that to be weird. Why isn’t it on the USHCN website. Is the DOE performing cutbacks? Or is this there way to say, “Hey, CO2 is temperature.” Sorry, I’m just feeling a bit sarcastic lately.
David Alan (20:00:08) What you say is even more impressive in light of the fact the temperatures are actually lower than reported, so it is much colder than the numbers say.
Steve Keohane (6:59:00):”.. the temperatures are actually lower than reported, so it is much colder than the numbers say. ”
There are several factors I believe to support what you say Steve.
Anthony Watts has been researching surface stations for some time. A small percentage of those stations are poorly regulated and many others improperly placed. How accurate those temp stations are could affect anomoly charts.
Another aspect of surface stations is the reorganizing and the replacment of surface stations. A good many surface stations have been moved, i.e. from older airports to newer airports, causing records to be slightly askew.
Another point I’d like to make is while I’m only focusing on extreme weather, possible cooling trends exsist in many places. Northeast U S had a colder than average summer. Illinois had its coldest summer ever. Many plain states and gulf states had cooler weather than expected. During the summer, the west coast states had above average higher temperatures, but is now experiencing some wicked cold weather.
But to get to your point, which is temperatures are acually colder, all one has to do is notice, even with questionable surface station readings, the variance from the norm.. For instance Denvers average snowfall for Oct. is just under 4 in. This October is over a foot of snow. Average Oct. temp in Denver is 54 °. This Oct is under 44°. Its the severity and degree of separation from the norm that is amazing and gets very little track on MSM. And its not just happening in Denver, but many places and spread over months and months. Flucuations from average, around the US, is enormous. The degree of variance is too great to overlook. Its not just temperature, its also rain and snow. Early snow has impacted every state across the northern corridor. From Washington State to Maine. In California, while the state had a above average summer temps., record snowfall and precipitation is taking place.
My conclusion is this: This is but a start to even more cooler weather. Are we prepared?
Problem is, cold makes people stay penned up in their homes. What do they do for entertainment? Read the bleating Seth Borenstein articles on the AP,
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/2546/Climate-Depot-Serving-as-the-Medias-Ombudsman-Long-sad-history-of-AP-reporter-Seth-Borensteins-woeful-global-warming-reporting
watch the climate alarmists issuing from such unbiased sources as Climate Central, as they pontificate on nightly news,
http://www.climatecentral.org/video/
And listen to Obama and other leaders pump up the base for the coming Copenhagen shoot-out.
Meanwhile, this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125656490009708113.html
NOAA via http://www.calclim.dri.edu/ gave a pretty good monthly summary graph – showing California at between 2 to 4 degrees colder than the norm.
The site also shows a barchart of California October temperature deviations from 1895. This chart shows it is getting colder, as 10 out of the last 15 years are below the norm. NOAA uses the period 1949 to 2005 as the base period.