Cold start to fall continues, 252 more low temperature records set in the USA this week

More new record lows, lowest max temperature, and snowfall this week. The new low records outnumber the high records. There were an impressive number of Lowest Max Temperature records set also, 1129.

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Source Hamweather climate center and NOAA/NWS

Here’s a listing of the record events by category:

Record Events for Sat Oct 17, 2009 through Fri Oct 23, 2009
Total Records: 2682
Rainfall: 812
Snowfall: 72
High Temperatures: 152
Low Temperatures: 252
Lowest Max Temperatures: 1129
Highest Min Temperatures: 265

Here’s a list of the new low temperature records:

State Location Date New Record
(°F)
Previous Record
(°F)
AL Alexander City Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 34 in 2001
AL Ashland, 3 miles ENE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 31 33 in 1978
AL Belle Mina, 2 miles N of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 32 in 1955
AL Belle Mina, 2 miles N of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 33 33 in 2001
AL Bessemer, 3 miles WSW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 34 35 in 1996
AL Camp Hill, 2 miles NW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1975
AL Centreville, 6 miles SW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1989
AL Dauphin Is #2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 46 46 in 1989
AL Dothan Faa Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1948
AL Fairhope, 2 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1948
AL Fairhope, 2 miles NE of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1989
AL Gadsden Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1955
AL Geneva #2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1977
AL Greenville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 35 in 2001
AL Guntersville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1992
AL Headland Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 38 in 1996
AL Headland Sun, 18 Oct 2009 38 39 in 1977
AL Highland Home Mon, 19 Oct 2009 31 36 in 1967
AL Huntsville Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 34 35 in 1992
AL Lafayette, 2 miles W of Wed, 21 Oct 2009 30 31 in 2006
AL Mobile Downtown Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 41 41 in 1948
AL Moulton 2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 35 in 1996
AL Opelika Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1978
AL Sand Mt Substn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 2001
AL Thorsby Exp Stn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 37 in 2001
AL Wetumpka Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 33 in 1943
AR Alicia, 2 miles NNE of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1978
AR Fayetteville Drake Field Sun, 18 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1996
AR Fayetteville Faa Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1959
AR Hot Springs Mmrl Field Sun, 18 Oct 2009 36 37 in 1978
AR Mena Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 33 in 1990
AR Murfreesboro, 1 miles W of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 34 35 in 1976
AR North Little Rock Wfo Sun, 18 Oct 2009 37 41 in 1989
AR Paragould, 1 miles S of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1982
AR Subiaco Sun, 18 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1922
CA Oakland Museum Tue, 20 Oct 2009 51 51 in 2004
CO Akron, 1 miles N of Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22 23 in 2006
CO John Martin Dam Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21 22 in 1976
CO Lake Moraine Mon, 19 Oct 2009 4 8 in 1916
CO Lake Moraine Sun, 18 Oct 2009 2 2 in 1917
CO Lake Moraine Sat, 17 Oct 2009 2 9 in 1948
CT Groton New London Ap Tue, 20 Oct 2009 30 32 in 2003
FL Apalachicola Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 43 46 in 1989
FL Apalachicola Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 43 43 in 1977
FL Brooksville Chin Hill Mon, 19 Oct 2009 41 43 in 1927
FL Clermont, 9 miles S of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 46 47 in 1977
FL Clermont, 9 miles S of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 46 48 in 1977
FL Crestview Bob Sikes Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1978
FL Cross City Airport Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 42 in 1954
FL Devils Garden Mon, 19 Oct 2009 49 56 in 1964
FL Devils Garden Tue, 20 Oct 2009 49 50 in 1997
FL Ft Lauderdale Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 57 63 in 1977
FL Ft Lauderdale Intl Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 56 60 in 1977
FL Ft Myers Page Fld Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 50 54 in 1927
FL Ft Pierce Mon, 19 Oct 2009 49 50 in 1927
FL Gainesville Rgnl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 41 43 in 1967
FL High Springs Mon, 19 Oct 2009 39 40 in 1996
FL Jacksonville Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 43 43 in 1981
FL Jasper Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 38 in 1955
FL Key West Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 65 69 in 2000
FL Key West Nas Mon, 19 Oct 2009 66 70 in 1967
FL Kissimmee 2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 48 48 in 1977
FL La Belle Tue, 20 Oct 2009 48 50 in 1955
FL La Belle Mon, 19 Oct 2009 48 48 in 1977
FL Lake City, 2 miles E of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 39 41 in 1943
FL Lisbon Sun, 18 Oct 2009 47 47 in 1977
FL Live Oak Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 38 in 1967
FL Marianna Caa Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 40 43 in 1954
FL Marianna Caa Ap Tue, 20 Oct 2009 41 41 in 1955
FL Mayo Sun, 18 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1977
FL Mayo Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 36 in 1977
FL Melbourne Wfo Mon, 19 Oct 2009 49 52 in 1977
FL Miami Intl Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 60 62 in 1977
FL Miami Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 59 62 in 1955
FL Naples Tue, 20 Oct 2009 52 54 in 1955
FL Naples Mon, 19 Oct 2009 52 52 in 1977
FL Oasis Rs Sun, 18 Oct 2009 57 61 in 1981
FL Okeechobee Mon, 19 Oct 2009 48 52 in 1977
FL Okeechobee Tue, 20 Oct 2009 49 55 in 1989
FL Orlando Sanford Airport Sun, 18 Oct 2009 47 53 in 1977
FL Orlando Sanford Airport Sat, 17 Oct 2009 52 53 in 1977
FL Orlando Sanford Airport Mon, 19 Oct 2009 50 50 in 1955
FL Orlando Wso Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 49 54 in 1954
FL Saint Leo Sun, 18 Oct 2009 46 47 in 1977
FL Sarasota Mon, 19 Oct 2009 51 55 in 1974
FL St Petersburg Clearwater Intl Mon, 19 Oct 2009 51 57 in 2001
FL St Petersburg Clearwater Intl Sun, 18 Oct 2009 53 57 in 2001
FL Stuart Mon, 19 Oct 2009 53 56 in 1955
FL Tallahassee Wso Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 39 in 1992
FL Tampa Wscmo Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 48 52 in 1977
FL Usher Twr Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 41 in 1967
FL Vero Beach, 4 miles SE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 48 49 in 1977
FL Vero Beach, 4 miles SE of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 49 51 in 1989
FL Vero Beach Intl Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 47 50 in 1977
FL Vero Beach Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 50 55 in 1955
FL West Palm Bch Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 54 58 in 1977
FL West Palm Bch Intl Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 52 57 in 1977
FL Winter Haven Sun, 18 Oct 2009 41 47 in 1977
FL Winter Haven Tue, 20 Oct 2009 43 47 in 1989
FL Winter Haven Sat, 17 Oct 2009 44 47 in 1943
GA Albany Caa Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 39 in 1948
GA Albany Sw Ga Rgnl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 39 in 1996
GA Allatoona Dam 2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 35 in 1978
GA Alma Bacon Co Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 40 40 in 1948
GA Ashburn, 3 miles ENE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 39 in 2001
GA Athens Ben Epps Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 34 in 1948
GA Atlanta Fulton County Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 2001
GA Augusta Bush Fld Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1981
GA Blakely Mon, 19 Oct 2009 38 38 in 1948
GA Brunswick Mon, 19 Oct 2009 43 45 in 1927
GA Brunswick Mckinnon Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 45 46 in 1989
GA Cairo, 3 miles NW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 40 in 1948
GA Camilla, 3 miles SE of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1989
GA Cartersville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1978
GA Cedartown Tue, 20 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1996
GA Cuthbert Sun, 18 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1907
GA Cuthbert Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1948
GA Cuthbert Wed, 21 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1989
GA Dallas, 7 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 31 32 in 2001
GA Homerville, 5 miles N of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 38 in 2008
GA Jasper, 1 miles NNW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1948
GA Louisville, 1 miles E of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 36 in 1930
GA Macon Middle Ga Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 36 in 1996
GA Moultrie, 2 miles ESE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 39 41 in 1967
GA Nahunta, 6 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1967
GA Nahunta, 6 miles NE of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 33 37 in 1989
GA Sandersville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 36 in 1976
GA Sapelo Is Mon, 19 Oct 2009 45 45 in 1992
GA Savannah Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 40 42 in 1996
GA Siloam, 3 miles N of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 2001
GA Thomasville, 3 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 39 39 in 1954
GA U Of Ga Plt Sci Mon, 19 Oct 2009 34 35 in 1996
GA Valdosta Regional Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 39 in 1948
GA Warrenton Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1948
GA Warrenton Tue, 20 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1996
GA Waycross, 4 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 36 in 1967
HI Honolulu Observ 702.2 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 66 66 in 1999
HI Waimanalo Exp F 795.1 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 66 66 in 1970
IL Cairo, 3 miles N of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1948
IL Cairo, 3 miles N of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 34 in 1972
IN Indianapolis Se Side Sun, 18 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1976
IN Muncie Ball State Univ Sun, 18 Oct 2009 26 28 in 1982
KS Mound Valley, 3 miles WSW of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 28 29 in 1952
KS Olathe Johnson Co Industrial A Sun, 18 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1999
KS Toronto Lake Sun, 18 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1976
KY Jamestown Wwtp Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 30 in 2008
KY London Faa Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1996
KY Monticello, 3 miles NE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 29 in 2001
LA Galliano Sun, 18 Oct 2009 47 47 in 1977
LA Hackberry, 8 miles SSW of Wed, 21 Oct 2009 40 40 in 1976
MA Bedford Hanscom Field Sat, 17 Oct 2009 27 27 in 1945
MA Hyannis Barnstable Muni Ap Tue, 20 Oct 2009 30 32 in 1990
MA Taunton Municipal Ap Tue, 20 Oct 2009 26 26 in 2003
MA Vineyard Haven Marthas Vineyar Tue, 20 Oct 2009 26 27 in 2003
MD Patuxent River Nas Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 37 in 1972
ME Bangor Ap Sat, 17 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1980
ME Brassua Dam Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1939
ME Brassua Dam Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1978
ME Caribou Wfo Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22 22 in 2000
ME Ft Kent Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19 19 in 2000
ME Houlton Ap Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19 19 in 2000
ME Long Falls Dam Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18 21 in 1979
ME Long Falls Dam Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18 20 in 1978
ME Millinocket Faa Ap Sat, 17 Oct 2009 24 26 in 1986
ME Millinocket Municipal Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 25 26 in 1953
ME Rumford, 1 miles SSE of Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21 22 in 1979
MI Bad Axe Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1972
MI Detroit City Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1952
MI Detroit City Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1952
MI Harbor Beach, 1 miles SSE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 26 26 in 1974
MI Hart Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1974
MI Hart Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23 26 in 1901
MI Houghton Lk Roscommon Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18 18 in 1972
MO Buffalo, 2 miles N of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1987
MO California Sun, 18 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1999
MO Cassville Rs Sun, 18 Oct 2009 29 30 in 2002
MO Columbia Rgnl Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1976
MS Holly Springs, 4 miles N of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1996
MS Independence, 1 miles W of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1996
MS Independence, 1 miles W of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 32 32 in 2001
MS Wiggins Tue, 20 Oct 2009 25 30 in 1964
MS Woodville, 4 miles ESE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 38 in 1989
NC Bent Creek Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2001
NC Black Mtn, 2 miles W of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 27 28 in 2001
NC Charlotte Douglas Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1948
NC Elizabeth City Faa Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 37 38 in 1948
NC Enka Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1948
NC Lincolnton, 4 miles W of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 29 in 2001
NC Yadkinville, 6 miles E of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2001
NE Mccook Municipal Ap Sat, 17 Oct 2009 28 28 in 2002
NH Pinkham Notch Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21 22 in 1978
NY Auburn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 26 26 in 1940
NY Massena Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21 21 in 2008
NY Westhampton Gabreski Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 28 34 in 1999
NY Westhampton Gabreski Ap Tue, 20 Oct 2009 28 31 in 2008
OH Cambridge Mon, 19 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1992
OH Lima Wwtp Mon, 19 Oct 2009 26 26 in 1972
OH Norwalk Wwtp Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21 24 in 1939
OH Sidney, 1 miles S of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 26 28 in 1982
OH Warren, 3 miles S of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 25 25 in 1972
OK Seminole Sun, 18 Oct 2009 35 35 in 1999
OK Tuskahoma Sun, 18 Oct 2009 35 36 in 1976
PA Altoona Faa Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 26 26 in 2008
PA Chalk Hill, 2 miles ENE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 25 26 in 2008
PA Clarion, 3 miles SW of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19 24 in 1974
PA Clarion, 3 miles SW of Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19 20 in 1972
PA Erie Wso Ap Sun, 18 Oct 2009 28 28 in 1974
PA Huntingdon Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18 23 in 2008
PA Johnstown Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 27 27 in 1992
PA Pittsburgh Allegheny Co Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 27 28 in 1976
SC Anderson Co Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 33 in 1978
SC Andrews Mon, 19 Oct 2009 39 40 in 2001
SC Calhoun Falls Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 34 in 1973
SC Greenville Wb Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 33 in 1896
SC Grnvl Spart Intl Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 33 in 1976
SC Little Mtn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 34 in 1948
SC Orangeburg 2 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 35 36 in 1973
SC Pageland Mon, 19 Oct 2009 34 34 in 1992
SC Pickens Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 32 in 1996
SC Saluda Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1976
SD Cedar Butte, 1 miles NE of Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17 18 in 1976
TN Ames Plantation Mon, 19 Oct 2009 32 32 in 1990
TN Athens Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 31 in 1978
TN Cleveland Fltr Plt Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 31 in 1978
TN Cookeville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 30 in 1992
TN Crossville Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 30 in 1981
TN Dayton, 2 miles SE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 31 33 in 1978
TN Erwin, 1 miles W of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 29 in 2001
TN Knoxville Exp Stn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 31 31 in 1992
TN Livingston Radio Wliv Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 29 in 2001
TN Neapolis Exp Stn Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 30 in 2001
TN Sewanee Sun, 18 Oct 2009 31 32 in 2001
TN Sewanee Mon, 19 Oct 2009 33 35 in 1925
TN Smithville, 2 miles SE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 30 in 2001
TX Dumas Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23 24 in 1989
TX Dumas Sun, 18 Oct 2009 24 26 in 1952
TX Falfurrias Mon, 19 Oct 2009 47 48 in 1948
TX Falfurrias Sun, 18 Oct 2009 47 47 in 1975
TX Hebbronville Sun, 18 Oct 2009 48 48 in 2001
TX Pampa 2 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1996
TX Warren, 2 miles S of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 36 36 in 1967
UT Mexican Hat Sat, 17 Oct 2009 26 29 in 1980
VA Abingdon, 3 miles S of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 27 28 in 2001
VA Dale Enterprise Mon, 19 Oct 2009 25 25 in 1976
VA Staffordsville, 3 miles ENE of Mon, 19 Oct 2009 25 27 in 2001
VT Montpelier Ap Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20 20 in 1978
VT Newport Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19 22 in 1978
VT Newport Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20 20 in 1972
WV Clarksburg Benedum Fld Mon, 19 Oct 2009 26 27 in 1991
WV Huntington Swg Pl Mon, 19 Oct 2009 30 31 in 2001
WV Huntington Tri Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1992
WV Wheeling Ohio County Ap Mon, 19 Oct 2009 29 29 in 1992
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78 Responses to Cold start to fall continues, 252 more low temperature records set in the USA this week

  1. DennisA says:

    I think the US needs the Science Museum map to warm things up. If you all had one on your wall you could think yourselves warm.

  2. Global Cooling says:

    Just waiting for the first warmy to get upset with Anthony for daring to publish a cold weather story. 3….2….1…

  3. John Peter says:

    President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen as per The Times UK:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece

    Maybe he has seen temperature records such as this one? Looks like Copenhagen will result in a failure to agree a comprehensive CO2 reduction treaty. It would appear to me that countries such as China and India are not convinced that CO2 is the only or even main driver of global warming when it actually takes place in amongst periods of cooling and, therefore, will not agree to mandatory CO2 reductions for their countries. President Obama seems to have got that message. Instead he is going to Oslo 10 Dec. to deliver one of his hallmark speeches.

  4. gtrip says:

    Temperature chasing is even losing its appeal here.

  5. Patrick Davis says:

    Well, my freinds who went to PA, certainly seem to be getting what they wanted, a cold, and possibly, white Christmas.

  6. gtrip says:

    Correction: I should have said that “Temperature chasing is FINALLY losing its appeal here.”

    You ought to be monitoring the cloud cover in Michigan…it is so 70ish. The Radar doesn’t show much and the satellite even less….but the surface ob’s show plenty of low cloud cover….a lot of overcast skies….like a mist in the sky.

  7. bushy says:

    Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.

  8. P Stanbrook says:

    The lack of co-operation of global temperatures is certainly being noticed more and more. Take a look at this comment piece on the bbc website:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8322513.stm

  9. Ack says:

    It has been another pleasant week in Utah, thanks global warming!

  10. rbateman says:

    I’m dreaming of a white…Haloween.
    Well, maybe. They have snow in the forecast for Oct. 30 in NW Calif. Down to 3,000.
    Won’t matter to the kids, though, they stopped Trick or Treating a decade ago.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    I think we need a new widget. One that shows the location of Al Gore on a map of record lows.. I think he was back east this week? Wonder if it was a bit southernly. Doesn’t he have a family farm somewhere like Tennessee? Or am I thinking of some other rich pol for a family of pols…

    I find myself simultaneously thrilled at the record cold, and the “more” that is headed our way; and saddened that this is what it will take to freeze the dingles off the AGW monster.

    FWIW, China and India have already announced they are ready to sign on in Copenhagen ONLY on 2 conditions: They can burn all the carbon they want while they “develop”; somebody gives them buckets of money.

    That, IMHO, makes it a moribund mallard.

    China has also “done deals” with 20 year time horizons for all the Brazilian oil and Canadian / US coal it can lock down. They have / are trying to commit merger on an Australian miner with lots of coal. China has no intention to slow down their massive growth of oil and coal use at all. China has sold 10 million cars domestically by October this year and expect that to ramp up to more than 12 million by year end. China, at least, has great clue and knows how to use it. By the time “the west” realizes that it was a stupid fad and it’s time to get back to fossil fuels, China will have 20 year contracts on the best of it. (I know of one for $200B of Brazillian oil over 20 years.)

    You don’t make 12 million cars a year to not use them and not fuel them.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chinese-car-sales-break-sound-barrier/

    So you can be absolutely certain that the only way China will sign any “deal” is if it involves them doing whatever they want and the west sending them guilt payments.

    Didn’t China have a really bad winter a year or two back? It might be interesting to have a “China Winter Watch” as well. If they are losing a million people or so to a killer ice storm winter, well, you just know they will not be talking up global warming…

  12. Jeff L says:

    Note eastern Colorado – record high temps & record snowfall – all in the same week. That’s fun weather!
    We had nearly 6″ of snow at our house in the foothills of SW Denver after being in the low 80s the day before.

    Looks like more snow tonight, Tuesday night into Wed & Sat night – the common Halloween snowstorm

  13. em butler says:

    time for a new catastrophe book about global climates by Holdren and Ehrlich

  14. Caleb says:

    If you wonder where all the cold is coming from, check out the DMI Polar Temperature graphic at the side of this site. The cold doesn’t have a chance to build over the pole, and instead comes flooding south. However I imagine the polar vortex will tighten during November, and as the cold recharges up there we’ll get a respite, and a chance to get ready for a winter we won’t forget.

    Over at Accuweather Mr. Bastardi has an interesting observation about October being a better indicator of what the forthcoming winter will be like than November is. He has no explanation for why this is true; it is just something he has noticed, going over hundreds of maps from the past. October gives a hint of the pattern that is developing, while November can be “all over the place.”

    The severity of the coming winter isn’t so much due to how much colder it is, when you average the temperatures world-wide. After all, we are talking about differences of a quarter-degree or half-degree, in terms of world averages. You can hardly notice such differences on your skin.

    Rather it is where the cold is discharged, and how much is discharged. There have been some winters where the arctic vortex remains very tight, and the cold just whirls around and around up by the poles. This may make the ice thicker up there, but it doesn’t impress the public psyche as much as winters when the cold air is discharged constantly southward over major population centers.

    If I had a nickel to bet, I’d bet the latter will be the case, this coming winter.

  15. Peter Stroud says:

    According to the UK Met Office the temperatures for winter 2009/10 here has only a one in seven chance of being colder than average. This is why I am preparing for a colder than usual season?

  16. Richard M says:

    I believe many states in the US Midwest will experience one of the coldest Octobers ever. So far we’ve had ONE day that was well above normal and a handful around normal. The rest have been way below normal with another cold air mass set to cover the area for the rest of the month.

    Should see many more records next week.

  17. Ron de Haan says:

    I’ve just finished a round international news, CNN, CNBC, BBC World, Russia Today, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, TV France, all singing the same Climate Change Tunes, illustrated by a gigantic pile of semi scientific rubbish.

    No word about the recent cold records.

    Absolutely no balanced reporting whatsoever with only one single exception from BBC World, referring to a small group of protesters against CO2 restrictions as “arrogant deniers” of Climate Change who believe the climate is influenced by natural cycles rather than…..

    The climate doctrine is safely in the hands of the UN and our Governments and our Government obviously control all our Media.
    Very dangerous, for who controls the Media, controls the people.

    The reality is that we already live in show democracies and it will take a revolution to kick out all these socialists and clean up and restore the system.

    It is incredible to find out that our political establishments believe that it is “political correct” to rail road the economy in the name of the climate, risk our energy security
    and millions of jobs only to exploit a hoax.

    One more year of this shit and we can kiss our futures good bye.
    They would not even need a signed Copenhagen treaty to achieve their objectives.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/the_debt_death_sprial.html

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/real_2009_budget_deficit_17856.html

  18. Henry chance says:

    Obama can only campaign in copenhagen. He knows of no cap and tirade legislation.

    His line at MIT “the system we have now keeps us from creating new jobs” is an ignorant line. Actually the system we have now continues jobs he want to ruin.

  19. timetochooseagain says:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but a cool southeast, is typical of El Nino winters, right?

  20. Ulric Lyons says:

    Looking at the records set for the last day or two, http://mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/yesterday/us.html?c=
    it is starting to get a little milder, as it is on most continents.
    This my solar based forecast for this period:
    http://theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/forums/p/27850/801120.aspx#801120

  21. Enduser says:

    gtrip (01:31:19) :

    Temperature chasing is even losing its appeal here.
    __________________________________

    Maybe i am just easily entertained, but I happen to enjoy the “temperature chasing.”

    Gtrip, Has it occurred to you that you are not required to click on or read topics that do not appeal to you?

  22. Carlo says:

    This is typical for a strong El Nino event.
    :)

  23. The Sun has had a long run of down time, if I’m not mistaken this will be the third winter under a quiet Sun.

    Third time’s the charm.

    Who are those voices that claim the Sunspot cycle has nothing to do will climate variation?

    They look all wet to me — or all frozen as the case may be…

  24. Basil says:

    It has been unseasonably cool in Europe, too:

    http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/climate/synop/td20091021_e.png

    We’re in a weak El Nino right now, but from what I can tell, these weather patterns are not typical of El Nino for this time of the year. What’s up with that?

  25. Basil says:

    Barely on topic question: the current sunspot — isn’t it a bit low in latitude for a new cycle sunspot? Is it any indication of how fast this cycle is moving (and how few sunspots there will be in it)?

    I’m not saying that the unusual weather is due to an unusual sunspot cycle. Or am I? ;)

  26. Basil says:

    Carlo (06:32:24) :

    This is typical for a strong El Nino event.
    :)

    Says who? Not according to this:

    http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/climate/ENSO/shade/el_SON.png

    Europe should be warmer than usual, and El Nino has no persistent effect on the US at this time of the year.

    Or was the smilely intended as sarcasm, perhaps?

  27. Icarus says:

    This is what we would expect to see – natural short term fluctuations superimposed on the current long term global warming trend of 0.2°C per decade.

  28. Don Shaw says:

    You people make me sick with facts that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence , just listen to your leader.

    “Mr. Obama contended that opponents of the legislation are making “cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change, claims whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/24/obama-dismisses-warming-skeptics/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_more_news_carousel

    Remember this is the person whos knowledge of science let him to claim as a candidate that all we needed to do was to keep our tire pressure up and tune our cars, and that would save as much energy as we could get by drilling offshore in the Gulf.

    And remember the energy secretary Chu who stated that painting all the roofs and asphalt white would be equivalent to taking all the cars off the road for 13 (?) years.

    No integrity in the whitehouse!!!

  29. Back2Bat says:

    bushy (03:28:58) :
    Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.

    Excellent point!

    “The nails that stick up, severely tempt the hammer.”

    Dear AGW folk,

    I understand. You see the world and society being destroyed and you want a solution, any solution. But don’t be hasty! Any hasty solution is likely to be a mistake. Ludvig von Mises, Murray N. Rothbard and other economists of the Austrian school pinpointed a major root of the evil today.

    It is government backed fractional reserve banking. This is the destructive enabler of fear, greed, waste and destruction. It is based on systematic fraud and theft of purchasing from the poor among others. It directly led to the Great Depression as Ben Bernanke admitted. That in turn led to World War II and 50 – 80 million men, women, children and babies killed.

    So, attack the root and the branches will wither.

    best wishes,
    B2B

  30. MattB says:

    So this week and last got me thinking about seeing what kind of a trend I could find with high and low records. I went to intelicast (I have later realized that was a mistake since the record high and low data for my city only seems to go from 1948 to 1999) and took only the number of days in a year that a record high and record low existed. Then graphed it. One thing that stood out was that from the mid 50′s to the late 70′s there seemed to be a corrolation where there would be an increase or decrease in number of days with a record moving together. But in the 80′s things diverged a bit, first there were more record cold days than hot in the early 80′s and then it reversed where there are more records in the latter 80′s then in the 90′s it settled down and there were few records set of either type. One other thing that sticks out is that there was a spike of record cold days in 75 and a spike of hot days in 1990.
    I may have to play with this some more when I have time.

  31. Philip_B says:

    As I’ve mentioned before, the clean air acts have reduced early morning smoke and particulate pollution artificially increasing minimum temperatures and average temperatures (calculated as the average of the minimum and maximum temperatures).

    Therefore, maximum temperatures are a (much) better indicator of current climate trends, and the high number of record low maximum temperatures does indicate the climate is cooling.

    I maintain record high versus record low temperature counts is a better indicator of climate trends than averages, because the many site and local effects influnces temperatures – UHI and the smoke and particulate pollution effect, etc – have less effect on records.

    I’ve been hoping someone would produce a running count of record highs versus record lows for various time periods expressed as +ve or -ve number, but maybe I’ll try and do it myself.

  32. rbateman says:

    I don’t know how more contradicting it can get when the claims made by warmists are frozen to the goalpost…..at the wrong end of the field. The warmists did this to themselves.

  33. Vincent says:

    Icarus;
    “This is what we would expect to see – natural short term fluctuations superimposed on the current long term global warming trend of 0.2°C per decade.”

    What short term fluctuation are you referring to? Global temperatures have not risen for 11 years.

    What long term warming trend are you referring to? From a millenium perspective there is no trend at all – only a cycling from the medieval warm period into the little ice age and out again. On a multi-millenium time scale the trend is one of decreasing maximums, which as any technical analyst will tell you, is the classic definition of a down trend.

  34. Jimbo says:

    The Science Museum has a “Prove It” website at which voters are asked to be counted in or counted out to the following statement:
    OT but interesting.
    “I’ve seen the evidence. And I want the government to prove they’re serious about climate change by negotiating a strong, effective, fair deal at Copenhagen.” The vote has been running for a couple of days.

    The “Count Me Outs” greatly outnumber the “Count Me Ins”.
    http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
    422 counted “IN”
    2512 counted OUT
    as at 4pm GMT, alomost 6 to 1 against.

    PR stunt gone wrong maybe? People are going to get real mad if as time goes on the AGW thing becomes increasingly discredited and abandoned the scientists as well as the public.

  35. TerryBixler says:

    The warmists congress and President have not acknowledged the reality of the map. Cap and tax, power and greed. Forget the map it is hot on Venus anybody knows that, now where is my money.

  36. Jimbo says:

    Correction the “OT but interesting” phrase should be on top of my comment, don’t know what went wrong but I’m sure I put it on top!

  37. richcar says:

    I try to encouage my friends to play with NOAA’s “Climate at a Glance” website because its interactive nature allows one to ‘see for themselves’. They can see that the the contigous US has been increasing at the rate of 1.2 degrees per century since 1895 and that temps have been declining at the rate of seven 7 degrees per century since 1998. I point out that at this rate the US will be at 1895 temps in 15 years. With 20 more years of the cool phase of the PDO likely I think this is a safe bet. I realize the US is but a small part of the globe but it is something my friends can get their minds around.
    http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

  38. Ed Scott says:

    On AGW but not on this specific topic.
    ———————————————
    Prelude to Lord Christopher Monckton of Benchley’s appearance on Glenn Beck’s TV show next week – October 25 to October 31, 2009.

    Interview with James Delingpole about living under the Obama prototype, climate change and world government.

    Seg5- England Has Been Living Under Obama Prototype For 12 Years

    Seg6- Is The Climate Change Treaty The Start of World Government?

  39. Douglas DC says:

    1969,and 71-72 were weak/moderate El Nino years and those were very nasty
    winters.Think PDO shift-colder….
    ’75 was a humdinger too-fell into the Yakima valley in a Piper Chieftain ice sculpture
    when I was a green Co-Pilot on a Commuter Airline..
    On that subject OT-I can see more Icing-related problems as the climate cools.
    It will be something to watch…

  40. Ed Scott says:

    Off topic.
    Trouble in Utopia.
    President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece

  41. Ron de Haan says:

    Henry chance (06:03:10) :

    “Obama can only campaign in Copenhagen. He knows of no cap and tirade legislation.

    His line at MIT “the system we have now keeps us from creating new jobs” is an ignorant line. Actually the system we have now continues jobs he want to ruin.

    Ed Scott (10:06:25) :

    Off topic.
    Trouble in Utopia.
    President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece

    Ed, Henry, I don’t think so.
    This is tactics.

    If Copenhagen is signed and Obama is the man who did it, he will get a lot more opposition.
    If Copenhagen is not signed despite his “leadership” he will be smoked by the UN and all the hard working participant and at home.

    If he keeps a low profile, he can state that Copenhagen has been negotiated by a BI PARTISAN expert team and state we simply have to execute what the “experts” have negotiated.

    He can push for an approach in stages and grab the microphone as soon as the home front is wrapped up in a deal and claim victory without running any risks.

    This strategy will be favorable for all scenario’s and for the future as well.

    If riots break out in the USA, Obama can say “I can’t help it, we are simply executing directives which are out of our control”.

    And if the scam crashes he still has an escape by denying any direct responsibility because he did not take the lead in Copenhagen.

    This President has stopped risking his precious image. (think Olympics)

    From now on he will operate on the safe side of the equations and others will have to do the dirty work.

    He is going to be the first World Leader you know.

    He is already running warm for the job.

    The only thing he has to do is to organize “Whole Sale America” and shut the door when he leaves.

    Mission completed.

    Do you follow?

  42. MattB (08:01:36) : “…But in the 80’s things diverged a bit, first there were more record cold days than hot in the early 80’s and then it reversed where there are more records in the latter 80’s then in the 90’s it settled down and there were few records set of either type. One other thing that sticks out is that there was a spike of record cold days in 75 and a spike of hot days in 1990.
    I may have to play with this some more when I have time.”

    Please do.

  43. Icarus says:

    Vincent (08:53:52) : Icarus; What short term fluctuation are you referring to?

    Interannual stochastic variations. Heatwaves, cold spells, cool summers, warm winters and so on will always happen regardless of long term trends, just because the climate is to some extent a chaotic system.

    Global temperatures have not risen for 11 years.

    If you look at short term fluctuations in global temperatures, they are typically around 0.2°C from year to year. The observed long term trend due to climate forcings is about 0.2°C per decade. So, it’s obvious to everyone that you’re going to need substantially more than 10 years of data to see the long term trend distinguished from the ‘noise’ of interannual variation. 11 years is barely one solar cycle, and other factors in the climate such as ocean cycles operate over longer periods than that. This is why most studies of global climate prefer 30 years of data in order to have reasonable confidence in their conclusions. However, even if we look at only 15 years of data, the long-term warming trend of 0.2°C per decade is very clear and is the same as we’ve been seeing for several decades (since about the mid-70s) -

    https://sites.google.com/site/europa62/climatechange/15ytt2008

    What long term warming trend are you referring to?

    The warming due to human activities which has become very clear during the last half century or so.

    From a millenium perspective there is no trend at all – only a cycling from the medieval warm period into the little ice age and out again.

    We have only had the capacity to substantially affect the global climate in, say, the last hundred years, so there is no point in looking for the anthropogenic global warming trend on a timescale of thousands of years.

    On a multi-millenium time scale the trend is one of decreasing maximums, which as any technical analyst will tell you, is the classic definition of a down trend.

    All the natural forcings tell us that we should be in a downward trend, albeit a slow one, which is strong evidence that the upward trend we actually observe is due to human activities.

  44. Gene Nemetz says:

    rbateman (04:52:57) :

    They have snow in the forecast for Oct. 30 in NW Calif. Down to 3,000.

    I’d like to see that on Mt. Diablo.

  45. Gene Nemetz says:

    Is Miami under water yet?

  46. Gene Nemetz says:

    bushy (03:28:58) :

    Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.

    Are you talking about the two in Virginia and the one in West Virginia?

    I would agree with you about those!

  47. Landin says:

    Lots of early season snow and cold in Breckenridge, Colorado. Breckenridge ski area will open Nov. 12 and the base should be fantastic for so early. The upper mountain has the most snow I’ve seen this early on. It’s been snowing consistently since Sept. 21 and staying cold so what we’ve received hasn’t melted. Snow is in the forecast for the next week, at least. Wolf Creek, CO ski area opens on Halloween Day and Keystone opens Nov. 6. But, but, but, I thought with global warming ski areas would be opening later and later by now with less and less snow….

    Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroproxy/

  48. Ron de Haan says:

    Icarus (12:50:38) :
    “What long term warming trend are you referring to?

    1. “The warming due to human activities which has become very clear during the last half century or so”.

    2. “All the natural forcings tell us that we should be in a downward trend, albeit a slow one, which is strong evidence that the upward trend we actually observe is due to human activities”.

    Icarus, please explain with solid evidence:
    Point 1 and Point 2

    While I am waiting for your reply I want you to know that I have filed your remarks 1 and 2 under the (H-W) = Hog Wash.

  49. Gene Nemetz says:

    oh look, Icarus the troll is back

    http://www.thelocal.de/images/gallery/341/3014.500.332.jpg

    A troll in the snow–perfect!

  50. Gene Nemetz says:

    Ron de Haan (14:47:04) :

    Icarus doesn’t reply to those who are expecting him to give the data that backs what he says.

    He’ll just say you’re rude and deserve to be ignored, or something like that.

  51. Ed Scott says:

    Ron de Haan (11:34:23)

    The Investors Business Daily has an assessment of the Copenhagen gathering. Signing the treaty would be a losing proposition and, following the Olympic defeat, would be bad for the self-esteem of the campaigner-in-chief.
    —————————————
    China, India Cancel Out Copenhagen

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=510152

    They’re basically saying no to anything that forces them to impose mandatory limits on their output of greenhouse gas emissions. Other developing nations, including Mexico, Brazil and South Africa, will likely reject any proposals as well.

    The deal was already in trouble. Three weeks ago, the Group of 77 developing nations met in Thailand to discuss what they wanted to do about global warming. Their answer: nothing.

  52. cake says:

    It’s lookin’ purdy cold next week for the entire lower 48. Haven’t seen a map colored in pure blue for a while!

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/610day/index.php

  53. RonPE says:

    It’s just about official here at 41.9N, -88.7W. As of the end of September, the 2009 Cooling Degree Days(CDD) are 421 compared to 452 during the cold 1992 Summer after Pinatubo. 30+ year average here is 840. I’m pretty sure we have not logged a single CDD during this cold October thus far. A very cool Summer = no air conditioning! There’s no body of water nearby either.

  54. Richard says:

    Apparently the coldest it has been in Copenhagen in December is – 12 C. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/results.shtml?tt=TT003490
    Would be nice if that record is broken while the conference is going on.

    Looks like the SST’s around that region will be close to 0 around that time.
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/boss4gmes/sst.php

  55. Jason says:

    Meh. It was 30 to 40 degrees above normal in the Northeast Jan 06 2007, Watts didn’t say a thing.

    Has everyone suddenly forgotten that weather changes?

  56. Basil says:

    Gene Nemetz (13:43:35) :

    rbateman (04:52:57) :

    They have snow in the forecast for Oct. 30 in NW Calif. Down to 3,000.

    I’d like to see that on Mt. Diablo.I grew up in the shadow of Mt. Diablo, in Concord. I can remember snow on Mt. Diablo. Left there in 1964.

  57. Richard says:

    Jason (19:24:57) : Meh. It was 30 to 40 degrees above normal in the Northeast Jan 06 2007, Watts didn’t say a thing.

    Has everyone suddenly forgotten that weather changes?

    Nope the only ones who seem to have forgotten that weather changes, and indeed the climate, are the warmers.

    They say it didnt change and we will just get hotter and hotter. Well the cold weather is just a reminder to them it does change.

  58. Richard says:

    From the dmi website (in Danish) “Right now we are thus 1.8 °C below the 1961-90 normal and 2.1 °C below the product for the past ten years.

    This means that in October 2009 Denmark will probably end up as one month, overall that is colder than normal. Before October can reach the warm side of average for the period 1961-1990, the rest of the entire month should average 13 °C and that is something of a meteorological impossibility.”

    Right on Copenhagen. Global warming indeed!

  59. Jason says:

    Weather is propagandra on both sides. The scientists know this. Climate is at least 30 years. Stick to climate, please.

  60. rbateman says:

    Weather does not belong to science or government, it is the common man’s to keep.
    It is we, the common man, who passed the legends and lore along, who has had to endure and adapt to it.
    I take it as a personal offence and a direct insult to humanity when the weather is used as a stick upon my livelihood and the race to which I belong.
    And that goes triple with climate.
    The weather and the climate belong to us to ooh and aah over as we see fit.
    I see no hard timeline for climate, merely that if it suits us not, we beat feet.
    Weather is what we experience ranging from pure joy to a knock-down drag-out fight for survival.
    Politicans and agendists: Better stop kickin’ our dog around.

  61. A Keplinger says:

    Has anybody compared Hansen’s temperature numbers with numbers reported by weather forecasters? Are the same readings being used, or do forecasters collect their own readings? Since there are much crossover in reporting, and accuracy is a measure of superiority, there would be fewer problems with poor scientific practices. It would seem that forecasters would have more peer review, by the public.
    There must be some way to aggregate the reported values over the last few decades and compare those with the numbers that IPCC is using. The reported numbers should not be difficult to get, but possibly hard to process into a database that is cross compatible.

  62. Richard M says:

    Jason (23:39:40) :

    “Weather is propaganda (sic) on both sides. The scientists know this. Climate is at least 30 years. Stick to climate, please.”

    I suspect climate is really much longer than 30 years. However, in terms of human experience that number is useful. It’s a period of time that one group of folks hope will be long enough to get their agenda accepted.

    Today’s climate scientists are similar to the medical researchers of the 60s that claimed eating eggs or drinking milk would cause cancer. They know just enough to be dangerous.

  63. Icarus says:

    Ron de Haan (14:47:04) :
    1. “The warming due to human activities which has become very clear during the last half century or so”.
    2. “All the natural forcings tell us that we should be in a downward trend, albeit a slow one, which is strong evidence that the upward trend we actually observe is due to human activities”.

    Icarus, please explain with solid evidence:
    Point 1 and Point 2

    Human activities contribute a net radiative forcing of around 1.6W/m² -

    http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/syr/fig2-4.jpg

    This is consistent with the observed warming of the last half century, which natural factors alone cannot account for -

    http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/syr/fig2-5.jpg

    The attribution of this warming largely to anthropogenic greenhouse gases is also supported by the observation of tropospheric warming with stratospheric cooling -

    http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/media/archive/1460.jpg

    Increasing greenhouse gases from human sources are reducing atmospheric IR transmissivity, thereby warming the surface and troposphere, and cooling the stratosphere.

  64. P Gosselin says:

    Think it’s cold now?
    Look what’s ahead in about 10 days!
    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.html

  65. beng says:

    ******
    Gene Nemetz (13:56:22) :

    bushy (03:28:58) :

    Those few high records slap bang in the middle of the cold ones need looking at.

    Are you talking about the two in Virginia and the one in West Virginia?

    I would agree with you about those!
    ******

    I’m near those spots, and I believe it. Yes, most of the past 2 wks were unusually (record) cold, but a few days were briefly very warm & pleasant, other than the swarms of ladybugs clustering on the house trying to get in — many thousands of ‘em.

  66. Jason says:

    Richard M (06:37:09):

    Re: Eggs n’ milk cause cancer. Oh come on, where did they really say that? I’d like to see that.

    Or use a different field and time period.

  67. austin says:

    Icarus,

    The IPCC has no credibility anymore with Briffa and Mann refuted.

  68. Icarus says:

    austin (17:38:23) : The IPCC has no credibility anymore with Briffa and Mann refuted.

    Neither Briffa nor Mann have been ‘refuted’.

  69. paulID says:

    Icarus (18:52:08) :

    you are correct they have been destroyed beyond any repair

  70. Gene Nemetz says:

    Basil (19:47:44) :

    There is usually snow on Mt. Diablo every year in the winter. But this is early in the year. It’s not unprecedented just early. So where is global warming? That is the point.

    I saw snow on it in the first week of April this year. I’ve been in California since 1992. This year was the first time I ever saw snow on it in April.

  71. Gene Nemetz says:

    Icarus (18:52:08) :

    Neither Briffa nor Mann have been ‘refuted’.

    Wow, what weird parallel do you live in??

  72. Richard M says:

    Jason (11:37:28) :

    “Richard M (06:37:09):

    Re: Eggs n’ milk cause cancer. Oh come on, where did they really say that? I’d like to see that.

    Or use a different field and time period’”

    Although this article does not go into all the specifics it discusses the general scientific process that led to all kinds of cancer claims for various foods and chemicals.

    http://www.ecoworld.com/government/chemophobia.html

    It is the same flawed scientific approach being applied today with climate.

  73. austin says:

    Icarus,
    http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2056988

    Mann used a very small set of tree ring samples and then did not use statistics properly. Later larger sample sizes did not reproduce his results.

    Briffa essentially did the same thing. But he went a step further and threw out most of his data and just used JUST those samples which would prove his hypothesis. This is what he published. He refused to share his raw data for ten years until a journal Editor compelled him to release his data.

    What I would like to know is:

    1. Who provided funding for this “work?”
    2. Is the funding entity able to seek a refund of their monies? Or sue for fraud?
    3. Can the funding agency sue Briffa and Mann to enjoin them from doing future work?

  74. OceanTwo says:

    John Peter (01:18:41) :

    President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen as per The Times UK:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888165.ece

    Maybe he has seen temperature records such as this one? Looks like Copenhagen will result in a failure to agree a comprehensive CO2 reduction treaty. It would appear to me that countries such as China and India are not convinced that CO2 is the only or even main driver of global warming when it actually takes place in amongst periods of cooling and, therefore, will not agree to mandatory CO2 reductions for their countries. President Obama seems to have got that message. Instead he is going to Oslo 10 Dec. to deliver one of his hallmark speeches.

    This is political. As the US president presents a capitulating and weak front, more and more sovereign nations will assert themselves. To wit, both china and India are playing the political stage, and are announcing that the US (and EU, but the EU is a complete ineffectual mass of blowhards) has no power to do anything. In essence, China and India are saying ‘eff you’.

    This is a bizarre notion: that somehow if *all* countries can get together and do something, then it will be done. Why cannot individual nations take these steps? What is preventing the UK, for example, or any other European country from reducing their ‘carbon pollution’? Why do such agreements require everyone to sign? Quite simply, this a political and economic package and has nothing to do with ‘climate’. That is, how can money be transferred from one nation to another, and – more importantly – how many entities can be placed in the flow to filter funds to personal political projects. If certain nations don’t play ball, then of course it’s ‘doomed to failure’.

  75. Gregg E. says:

    Mr. Watts, (or someone who has plenty of free time) how about a spiffy chart or graph of all the temperature and precipitation records set this October, posted sometime in the early days of November?

    I’d be a handy reference tool.

    What would be extra extra doubleplusgood is a chart showing the number of record highs, lows etc for each month from way back. A large job but there must be someone who knows where to get the info and the wherewithal to compile the data? Perhaps a Java applet so the viewer can sort by month, day, year, de-cade etc…

    Would be interesting to compare just how “record happy” October 2009 is VS previous Octobers.

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