The title was from a comment in the London Times on this story about Carbon Taxes on air travel to/from Britain. h/t to Leif Svalgaard.
Passengers face new tax to halt rise in air travel
Tens of billions of pounds will have to be raised through flight taxes to compensate developing countries for the damage air travel does to the environment, according to the Government’s advisory body on climate change.
Ticket prices should rise steadily over time to deter air travel and ensure that carbon dioxide emissions from aviation fall back to 2005 levels, the Committee on Climate Change says. It believes that airlines should be forced to share the burden of meeting Britain’s commitment to an 80 per cent cut in emissions by 2050.
The Times has learnt that it may challenge the Government’s decision to approve a third runway at Heathrow, suggesting that this would be inconsistent with that commitment.
The committee was established under last year’s Climate Change Act. It has a strong influence on government policy and proposed the 80 per cent target accepted by ministers.
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Industry estimates suggest that the average passenger would pay less than £10 extra per return ticket when aviation joins the EU emissions trading scheme in 2012. This would depend on the price of allowances to emit CO2, which is expected to rise over time.
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“Stephen Skinner (05:13:39) :”
You forget concrete production and use far outweighs all other systems producing CO2 in the UK. Facts don’t matter, remember, the science is settled, Al Gore says so.
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/environment-and-rural-affairs/govt-committed-to-airport-expansion-$461043.htm
Lucy Skywalker 01: 10: 32:
Where is this talk you’re going to give on October the 13th? Can anyone attend?
“H.L.Mencken wrote:The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
tonyb
Thanks Lucy,
I clicked on your name and I’m enyoying what I’m reading. You’ve put together a great bunch of data and organised it in a very friendly way.
Although I’ve never seen AIT, and have no desire to do so, my story is similar to yours. I became alarmed (yes, that word again), after reading the AR4 summary report for policy makers. Resolving to discover as much as I could I found my way to Climate Sciencec Climate Audit then WUWT and my education began. When I visited sites like RC, I realised that most of their criticisms of sceptics were little more than ad hominems (like political dirt digging), or merely focussed on some minor error. I saw that while the bloggers on sceptical sights were clever people discussing science, those on the AGW sites seemed little more than pompous fools and bullies.
Sorry if a bit OT.
http://www.politics.co.uk/briefings-guides/issue-briefs/transport/airport-expansion-$366575.htm
DennisA
That was good work. I assume you are British-where are you from?
tonyb
michel (23:38:50)
Agree with your assessment, but it is not well-meaning. It is pure politics both for personal gain (e.g. subsidizing car purchases) or for political correctness (subsidizing windmills or solar panels in Britain of all places). It would be just as useful to send rain barrels to the sahara. If you want to really be P.C. give each homeless person a solar panel to sleep under and keep the rain off.
“P Wilson (05:37:15) :
So let me get this right. The Government here in the UK are increasing taxes to the tens of billions to deter air travel at the same time as expanding airports – Heathrow isn’t the only expanding airport – in order to meet projected future increase in air travel demand.”
That is the paradox. How can a Gummint “grow” an economy (Presumably “wealth” money) and at the same time “shrink the thing that grows it” (CO2)?
Clive Graham Smale (01:04:07) :
“The mad cabals in the WhiteHouse and Westminster could threaten the future of our very species and biosphere with their insan sun-reduction ideas. It’s doubly frightening because they actually BELIEVE the garbage!
The world of the ruling class has gone mad.”
No not mad. The world of the ruling class have been fattening us sheep for the last few decades, and they are ready to start fleecing us. I can almost hear sound of the shears being sharpened…
The world of the ruling class
Alan the Brit – there’s an awful lot of those fake pressure groups/charities around. It’s yet another taxpayer funded scam to squeeze more money out of us poor taxpayers. Talk about a slap in the face! It’s a government wheeze that not everyone has caught on to. Quite a few of the scammers are listed here:
http://fakecharities.org/
The Royal Society gets a deserving mention for its stance on “carbon tax”:
http://fakecharities.org/pages/posts/royal-society-of-london-for-improving-natural-knowledge9.php
Treble vested interests all round…
jeroen (01:36:50) :
haha, In the Netherlands the minister of finance came up with a similar tax. Result: People just drove there cars over the border and fly from the nearby airport and making Schiphol airport one of the most expensive in the world. The tax is now reversed.
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That is, of course why we need one world government. To eliminate such inequities.
TonyB: Yes I am, Land of my Turbines, Wales. I forgot Lord Robert May, seeker of religion to keep the masses under control, but he’s there in the committee link.
This is yet another example of world governments continuing to be deaf and blind about the growing evidence against AGW. The express is on the rails for a historic agreement in Copenhagen.
Short of Al Gore publicly admitting that he has been wrong (or being caught on candid camera laughing about AGW cultists), it’s hard to see what can be done to stop the madness.
John A (00:09:32) :
Wouldn’t it be simpler to shut down the airports, and have done with it?
It’s no flying for the common person. Our leaders and our betters still need to be able to jet off somewhere any time they wish. They have important business to conduct, you know. You don’t expect them to work hard on the people’s business and not be able to get away to Switzerland for a ski weekend, do you? How will they get to Caanes?
Archonix (03:27:42) :
Alan the Brit (01:17:11) :
You’re right about alcohol:
Doctors want booze marketing ban
20 years, they’ll be banning alcohol from pubs. Just you watch.
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News headlines: Restaurants no longer allowed to offer food.
Well, there is a certain segment of the population which would like to dictate exactly what we can and cannot eat. A lot of Brits are already brainwashed into purchasing overpriced ‘organic’ foods because anything else is just bad for you – which destroys their own economic health.
Regardless, any tax imposed on anything simply drives a greater wedge between the haves and have-nots. The ‘rich’ will always be able to afford whatever they want (mostly because of mobility), while the underclass is taxed further into poverty. Then the finger pointing blames the ‘rich’ for the actions of the government.
“Wade (05:32:16) :
Looks like I won’t be visiting the UK any time soon. Time to cash in my extra pounds I had from my last visit.”
Go to Lanzarote. Full of Brits, better weather, but you will need Euros.
Patrick Davis (06:15:34)
Financially ambitious governments need to make extra tax sources, so by cashing in on the carbon and air transport – they stand to make a hefty amount. Increasing travel taxed at the source for an increasing commodity. If they put it like that – ie, the truth – , people would be angry. If they blame it on the climate, people will comply.
Prevent travel first, then regulate the internet… what’s in it for these European leaders to sabotage their own countries and pay billions to the “developing” ones?
“Stephen Skinner (05:13:39) :
So aviation accounts for 3% of CO2 and yet it is the No1 culprit for AGW. So with CO2 at 387ppm aviation is pumping out an enourmous 12 ppm.”
Aviation is responsible for 3% of human emissions, but the 387 ppm include all the natural CO2, too. And you cannot set off what is there at the moment with what comes additionally.
Alexej: to put in in perspective, its 3% of Anthropogenic c02. Anthropogenic c02 is 2-3% of all c02. all c02 is less than 0.04% of the atmosphere, so we’re talking of nothing here.
However what is interesting: It takes the same emissions to fly 200 passengers on the same plane as 10 passengers: This tax isn’t at all in proportion to emissions at all: Its inproportion to how many people can be taxed
80% cut? they will be equivalent to North Korea….
Archonix (03:27:42) :
Alan the Brit (01:17:11) :
You’re right about alcohol:
Doctors want booze marketing ban
20 years, they’ll be banning alcohol from pubs. Just you watch.
Are you sure it will take that long? With 1 rural ppub alone closing every week, the very essence iof village life will be lost forever, then we will all have to move into towns & cities, thus ensuring our rural businesses, or farms as I like to all them, go altogether, so that we depend netirely upon the EU for our food production.
UK Sceptic (06:32:09) :
Alan the Brit – there’s an awful lot of those fake pressure groups/charities around. It’s yet another taxpayer funded scam to squeeze more money out of us poor taxpayers. Talk about a slap in the face! It’s a government wheeze that not everyone has caught on to. Quite a few of the scammers are listed here:
http://fakecharities.org/
The Royal Society gets a deserving mention for its stance on “carbon tax”:
http://fakecharities.org/pages/posts/royal-society-of-london-for-improving-natural-knowledge9.php
Treble vested interests all round…
I totally agree with you. They used to be called “sleepers” under the old Soviet regime, now they’re callsed intellectual marxist socialists or “concerend scientists”. They infiltrate everywhere, get apponited to positions of influence, & the coup is complete. OT – Even the NSPCC has soiled its hands & sold its soul to the government & takes “grants” for research into new policies on children for home education – solving a non-problem that never existed.
I tell you guys & gals, once the brown smelly stuff starts being flung all over everyone gets a share!
The LSE have the answer! Its not aviation at all, or even shipping and forestry. Its all about contraception
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6161742/Contraception-cheapest-way-to-combat-climate-change.html
My first trip to England was by car, from Spain nonetheless. I took the ferry from Santander to Plymouth. It ‘only’ takes 30 hours and you go up and down for most of the tom, uh, sorry, the cruise.
Now you can go to Kings Cross station in London and, apart from looking for the train to Harry Potter’s school, you can also take the train to Paris, through the eurotunnel.