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One thing you can say about AGW alarmists, they are passionate. But passion doesn’t usually equate to factual discourse, as demonstrated so well on Joe Romm’s Climate Progress blog this week by guest blogger Kyle Gracey:
In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
Sillier words may never have been written.
Of course, if you can’t dazzle ’em with prose, doing a rap music gig for climate delegates is always sure to beat out factual discourse any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
We rapped and rhymed about the threatened survival of nations and developed countries’ weak financing proposals.
I just wonder how well the “negotiators” take to being adopted?
http://adoptanegotiator.org/2009/06/12/rap-how-old-will-you-be-in-2050/
Of course this isn’t the first time rap music has been used to make a point about climate. It happened earlier this year when Dr. James Hansen of NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) opened for a rap trio at the capital climate action protest that (ahem) according to their own claims “closed down” the coal fired power plant in Washington D.C.
Dr. Jim Hansen gets ready to deliver his message at the protest. Dressed like that, I’m not sure what the message is.
The hemp hat trio sings for the crowd right after Hansen’s address.
I wonder if Jimbo will start his own record label to help the climate rap effort?
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Just watched “Demolition Man” last night for the umpteenth time. Then I read this thread and well …….. AGW seems to be the Simon Phoenix of our time.
Gotta love Monty Python. 🙂 There is really quite a similarity with AGW solutions. That being: Let’s punish ourselves first, so that God won’t punish us later. Let’s sacrifice and live in poverty because we’re afraid of losing our affluence.
Give it up give it up
One hell of a climate
Makes ya kinda glad
You’re a higher order primate
You can listen to the Gore
And panic ’bout the future
Or go against the law
Made by IPCC few who
Tell us that we’re doomed
‘Cos of computer modeled falacy
And realize the fact
So obvious and lucid
That it ain’t to do with CO2
It’s the sun, stupid.
Sorry. Had a few pints !
Himalayan Glaciers Study
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N23/C1.php
Here is what Obama feels.
I see windpower has great novelty. Using coal as a backup will be required.
Hansen a Scientologist!! I like that.
One thing you can say about AGW alarmists, they are passionate. But passion doesn’t usually equate to factual discourse, as demonstrated so well on Joe Romm’s Climate Progress blog this week by guest blogger Kyle Gracey:
In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.
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Way to go Joe. Appeal to authority isn't a good argument. It is even wores to appeal to future authority. We do get weary of taking Romms pie charts of the future as factual. George soros has him wound up pretty tight. But that is ok. How did he predict that Chicago in June 2009 would be running average temps 12.5 degrees below normal?
The story is interesting, first the MSM says one or two glaciers like the Mt. St. Helen’s crator glacier is defying global warming, now they’re saying some glaciers around the world may defy a warming planet.
I wonder when they’ll find out that glaciers advance and recede over 1000’s of years in response to natural climate cycles?
As for other weather we’re supposed to get some good pool weather in the 90’s pretty much all next week, Texas is supposed to have a heatwave due to high pressure sitting in the Gulf of Mexico, a warming trend in Canada which Intellicast thinks will break down somewhat before the week ends, Intellicast’s maps also have another big heat bubble over East Asia puttering out somewhat before the week ends, a heatwave for Europe is predicted, though not forecast to be as bad as in 2003 as Summer is about to start (seems like it’ll be felt the most in Southern Europe) , and there’s the obvious Winter cooling in the Southern Hemisphere (though may be more of that than usual in places). For tropics it’s remaining the same except for forecast cooling in Africa near the pacific north of the Equator under the usually hot area just south of the Sahara.
As also for SST’s in the past week the PDO is back to neutral it seems, ENSO is staying neutral, start of cooling in the South Atlantic, seems to be a slow breakdown of very warm spots between the southern sea and the south atlantic the AMO is negative, there’s a hodge-podge of warm and cold water in parts of the North Pacific, Indian Ocean seems warmer than usual, the Southern sea SST readings seem to not be warming or cooling that much outside of iced over area.
I would like to recommend all warmists to pay a visit to the following website and download the PDF File:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=3580
My son and I were driving through Iowa yesterday. In the AM, the wind turbines were trucking right along. We could only see one is the cluster near our house not running. When we came back, not a one was turning. All quite. I’d still like someone to explain where all of the natural gas is going to come from to power the country when the wind doesn’t blow.
It is very funny to see all those hysterical proponents of the Global Warming doctrine shouting about wearing their winter outfits to protect them form the cold.
I can’t help it but my conclusion is they are in need of serious psychological treatment.
Kyle Gracey: – “In 2050, I’ll be 77, and given the pace of the climate talks in Bonn these two weeks, I’ll likely spend most of my retirement either under water or on fire.”
It certainly doesn’t have to be an either/or situation. If eco-terrorists were to blow up his plane over the Atlantic while he is enroute to an AGW conference and he’s burning in the underworld, he might be right. Disclaimer: I am personally against eco-terrorism and blowing up planes.
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Sillier words may never have been written.
Well, right off the top of my head I recall that last week the Teleprompter-in-Chief had the President say that we must quit spending beyond our means.
My thoughts on a cap and trade system or carbon market is this.
Screw that.
Do it this way. The very rich should be given a quota of energy units (I don’t call them carbon credits). If they use up all their units they have to buy more units from the unemployed, disabled or poor who will be also be given units but as they consume less they will have plenty spare to sell. This will mean state welfare programs can end as the rich will be paying for the welfare of those who are sick or out of work. Everyone else (working people who are not millionaires) will be excluded from this system and carry on as normal.
That’s for individuals. Now for companies. Any company with revenues of over $10 million a year will also be given a quota of energy units. If they use them up they will purchase more units not from small companies but from the government. The sale of these energy units will raise money for research and development in the area of nuclear power. The public will have access via the internet to view this revenue stream being generated and see where the money is being spent in real time. Here we see that companies will be investing directly in future technologies that will make energy clean and cheap for all, instead of giving their money to lame duck companies or some dictator of a banana republic somewhere.
Sometimes it originates in a swindle, like the “Man of Piltdown”, which fired the evolutionism and the believe that man descended from ape.
What “descended from”? We ARE apes, my pongid brother.
Aeron, you are a true visionair and an optimist.
he’s just a realist. With luck, things could be a lot better than that. Cellular regeneration, etc. (It’s also possible we will get very unlucky, but it’s not probable.)
Run your correlation stats against WHEAT Prices and SunSpots. Im thinking the cooling is already taking a tole on our prices here in Kansas. Plus it seems others have already had a swing at this.
Booker also notes that it is more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, he tells us, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century.
Yes, I know other issues can play..such as Jimmy Carter screwing us royally with the Russia Grain deal etc….but still
“Keep it lighthearted please. – Anthony”
Easy for you to say. I just sprayed my monitor with a mouth full of liquid refreshment. Guess I’ll learn to swallow before reading these things.
OT:
AN international eco-terrorist outfit is being investigated for threats against the chief executive of a key Victorian power plant.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25635805-661,00.html
… I would be interested in mr. hansen’s opinion about these threats …
evanmjones: Then I am one of very different opinion from you and many others here because I’m a creationist and don’t believe in evolution.
But that’s not the point of this blog, most people here are on this blog because of the one common belief that we don’t believe in AGW, even our belief that the Earth is likely less than 7000 years old still has us believing in warmer periods 1000’s of years before the current one.
Fire and Water
Some say my job will end in fire,
Some say submerged.
But as a choice when I retire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if I had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of fate
To say that water’s also nice
And even great
And would suffice.
Kyle Gracey Frost
Pass around the firewater, this calls for a drink… hic.
Rap Music the only music genre to begin with a silent C.
It was even worse for Hansen et al. It snowed while they were running the protest (Gore effect w/o Gore). Most we had that season in DC. If they had any competence (or brains) they would pick sometime in July for a AGW protest. Managing to do a AGW protest while it’s snowing, now that’s talent!
Let’s see now —
Christmas Day, 2050 – I’ll be 104. Guess that about then scientists will be saying that they are much better informed then was possible fifty years prior and they completely understand the little ice age type climate that will be happening and I’ll be able to tell tales of the coming ice age of 75 years prior, followed by anthropogenic global warming – I mean climate change – no, make that climate chaos – oh foo, it’s climate catastrophe. Then I’ll tell the reporter interviewing me at the home that by 2130 the scientists will be scoffing at the scientists of 2050, who were scoffing at the sad state of scientists’ knowledge in 2000, who mocked the new ice age ideas of the 1970’s … ‘Sonny, we’re all here for the ride; enjoy what you can and let the earth take care of itself, because it’s for sure them politicians can’t.’
Aron (14:32:31) :
self snip, never mind, not worth the effort.
Most of the posters here will be alive in 2050 due to anti-aging drugs out in the next decade. Belief in this should temper statements made regarding fire and water, as the persons making the statements will most likely still be around to eat their words!
Adam from Kansas (14:06:36) :
That heat wave over Texas is as normal as can be. A big, powerful high builds, then parks over the state most of the summer, giving us the usual high 90s and into the 100s. That high is what helps bring the monsoonal flow into the Rockies. Where, a few days ago, I was snowed upon several times in SW Colorado, down to ~10000′. During the day.
As for Aron’s comment about turning deserts into pastures, just take a tour around the Four Corners area. They do it every day. Stinks for those relying on the water downstream though! Not an eco-freak here, but the flood irrigation and spraying high into the air seem really silly. If they would use center pivot or drip irrigation, a whole lot more water could be sent downstream.