Guest Post by Steven Goddard
Last weeks’ top Antarctic AGW story was :
due to CO2, of course.
This week the #1 story is :
but the increase in size is due to “stratospheric ozone depletion” which is of course also caused by man-made gases.
So Antarctic ice is disappearing faster than expected due to man, and it is also expanding in size due to man. Meanwhile, the early autumn temperature in Vostok, Antarctica is a toasty -95F, a nice warm up from the -104F temperatures earlier this week.
Oh, and one minor problem with the ozone hole theory “The ozone hole occurs during the Antarctic spring, from September to early December” – but the positive ice anomaly occurred during the autumn and winter (March through July) as represented by the red line below.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg
And while the ozone hole was present, ice was normal. So the ice excess probably has nothing to do with the ozone hole.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/polar/polar.shtml
The AGW standard for broad acceptance of new theories seems to be “not completely implausible – if you avoid actually looking at the body of data or what you might have said last week.“
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Apparently the weather does not know either. Two days ago record highs were being reported all throughout the northwest part of the US. Yesterday record lows were recorded. Wind differences and alternating weather fronts are to blame in both cases. I just love weather.
Just checked the water vapor levels and jet stream out over the northern Pacific. With this same Arctic loop reaching WAY down and the jet stream rotation we have off shore, mixed with a higher water vapor picking up moisture from a warmer ocean temp, we would be in an April blizzard. But, the ocean is cold just off shore, the cold air rotating over it is dry, and thus we are cold and dry when it gets to us. However, this is a fairly good scenario for occasional precip. That would mean local showers, hail and snow, depending on elevation, and with partly sunny weather to boot. So I went to my local NWS forecast and bingo. That’s what it said.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?map.x=295&map.y=198&minlon=-122.11&maxlon=-116.45&minlat=43.57&maxlat=47.67&mapwidth=354&site=pdt
If this were published research, it would be one, very damned short paper. And with very few calculations.
By the way, the dust that was kicked up around here in the wind storm is heading out to the Pacific and is full of Iron. Fish food. Well, actually plankton food. The salmon will be very happy.
In our city AGW is being used by a coterie of out of control city officials, a government minister enthralled by Gore and a small group of landowners out for themselves, to build a wind farm, which will ruin the environment, leave our water catchment exposed to a catastrophic fire and destroy property and amemity values. Check out
http://palmerston-north.info
More craziness…
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/security/stop-the-spam-and-save-the-planet/2009/04/25/1240684317710.html
I can’t believe all you idiots!!!! Who cares if global warming is a farce? Does it really matter that we change our way of life to lessen our impact. Have any of you ever thought for a second that all the other life on earth is just as import as humans and has a right to be here? How about some critical thinking? Have any of you been to either of the poles lately? Perhaps you could compare it with your last visit? No wonder the planet is completley screwed. Don’t worry though, as long as you keep your collective heads in the sand you won’t have to do anything about it. Just keep plugging away at business as usual. As long as you have your suburbia you’ll be ok.
REPLY: Ah yes, another anonymous angry person who gives a false name and false email address, (afraid@gmaicl.com) telling us how our views are so wrong, but not having the courage to stand behind his/her own posted opinion. Drive by cowardice at its finest. BTW we haven’t been to the poles lately, but the US NAVY visits the north pole pretty regularly, have a look. – Anthony
I just read some more of your posts!!! OMG, why did I even bother – first your Americans and secondly your all nuts!! The good old nutty yank never fails to surpirse me – hows your redneck agenda going? Actually now that I think of it – America would be the first country to be affected by climate change due to its huge population, so bring on the burn baby. The rest of the world can actually do without you lot and once you’re all gone there’ll probably be a climate reversal anyway. So I guess in retrospect you are all right – theres not a thing to worry about!
REPLY: How’s the weather down there in Brisbane, getting colder is it?
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25388810-29277,00.html
A little early don’t you think? Ok I’ve had my fun but if you want to continue to post here you have to provide a valid email address, otherwise snip snip – Anthony
You moron – is it any wonder I don’t give my name!!! You guys all have guns.
REPLY: And computers too, and English skills, and the ability to post coherent thought. Again, last chance, valid email address required. Please see the blog policy tab above. – Anthony
[snip – blog policy violation, no valid email address]
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In relations to the BAS article I presume there is some lag between the ozone hole and the effect on the ice extent.
In the Antarctic summer the ice would be melting so the main effect of the winds blowing from the cold south and making more ice would be negated by the ice melting at that point. When the ice stops melting the cold winds would help increase the area ( positive anomaly as we see) of ice.
Regards
Andy
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Steven Goddard
Would it be accurate to say that Antarctic Sea Ice Extent is currently on the verge of record territory?
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
Makes sense that the MSM is pushing a new Antarctic ice melt story, i.e. sea level rise will be 3 meters instead of 5 or 6:
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLE883983
http://news.google.com/news?ned=us&hl=en&ncl=dKOGTQFC-UIC7HMtrklq4saa1Fz2M&cf=all
If the Antarctic Sea Ice trend continues, a similar article/press release to yours above, titled something like, Antarctic Sea Ice Hits A Record High and including:
– The charts from NSIDC and UIUC
– Links so that people can verify NSIDC’s and UIUC’s credibility http://nsidc.org/about/sponsors.html and http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ view the charts on their websites
– Several easily readable paragraphs on the science, 30 year up trend and a layman’s refutation of the ozone hole cause claim,
– A concluding paragraph highlighting the recent misleading Wilkins Shelf and West Antarctic ice sheet scare studies and articles, and questioning the motivations of their authors,
might just be one of the daggers that will help us put a fork in all of this…