Guest Post by Steven Goddard
Last weeks’ top Antarctic AGW story was :
due to CO2, of course.
This week the #1 story is :
but the increase in size is due to “stratospheric ozone depletion” which is of course also caused by man-made gases.
So Antarctic ice is disappearing faster than expected due to man, and it is also expanding in size due to man. Meanwhile, the early autumn temperature in Vostok, Antarctica is a toasty -95F, a nice warm up from the -104F temperatures earlier this week.
Oh, and one minor problem with the ozone hole theory “The ozone hole occurs during the Antarctic spring, from September to early December” – but the positive ice anomaly occurred during the autumn and winter (March through July) as represented by the red line below.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg
And while the ozone hole was present, ice was normal. So the ice excess probably has nothing to do with the ozone hole.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/polar/polar.shtml
The AGW standard for broad acceptance of new theories seems to be “not completely implausible – if you avoid actually looking at the body of data or what you might have said last week.“
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Oh Steve, Steve, Steve,
You said:
“Oh, and one minor problem with the ozone hole theory ”The ozone hole occurs during the Antarctic spring, from September to early December” – but the positive ice anomaly occurred during the autumn and winter (March through July) as represented by the red line below.”
Isn’t it obvious that this was due to “cooling in the pipeline”?
Try to keep up.
/sarc
Bill Illis, interesting. Those graphs say the sea ice increase is a summer phenomena, ie less melt when the ice margin is closer to Antarctica. Note, there is no sea ice around the peninsula in summer. Which says it is probably caused by a colder Antarctica.
Kim, I agree completely. It is indeed shocking that it is taking a period of natural cooling to puncture the CO2 hoax. Imagine what would have happened if we had continuing natural warming?
It’s amazing that the one story expects us to be alarmed that the Antarctic Peninsula has lost 27,000 km of ice over 50 years while the other story essentially dismisses 100,000 km per decade of ice growth (over 30 years) as inconsequential.
Well, we had better do something soon before everybody figures out that we really don’t have to do anything. If the AGW goes away, it’ll prove we were right and if it doesn’t go away, it’ll prove we haven’t done enough and we have to do more before it’s too late again.
BAS press release:
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press_releases/press_release.php?id=838
Anthony, Steve,
Thanks for this site. Your work here rests at the forefront of awareness on this issue critical to economies worldwide. As this site grows in popularity, it educates everyone. It’s one of the most important sites on the web in my opinion. I’m armed to the teeth for any discussion on AGW because of data presented here.
So Global Warming causes everything and everything causes Global Warming.
The Perfect Feedback.
Grab a Duff today. It causes Global Warming which causes more Duff beer.
You can get really drunk on AGW.
You know, the more paranoid people believe that hoaxes such as global warming pushed by government agencies such as a the UN are a pretext to controlling the thoughts and actions of the global population so that they can establish a global monetary system and global government
As far as we know the “ozone hole” has always been there and always will be. Discovered in the mid 1950s, there was a step change in the min 1980s, which sure doesn’t look like a slow increase in CFCs, and then virtually no change since then, regardless of the banning of CFCs.
http://junkscience.com/Ozone/plot9552.gif
There’s no evidence that CFCs are the cause of the “hole”. And why would CFCs concentrate on the southern pole anyway?
And…do you know how is it called the left hand in latin? Sinistra (the one sinister)
Kim
is so on target in his post about how amazing it is that science is being used by the AGW believers to impose on society a falsehood no less preposterous than phrenology and bloodletting to treat illness. Apparently at least a good section of modern mankind is not so enlightened after all. Even with an array of arguments disproving to any rational person that CO2 causes global warming presented on websites like this one and an obviously cooling climate over the past several years they still can’t get to the truth on this issue.
I wonder if the AGW crowd in government will be able to enforce their beloved carbon emission limits assuming the climate cools due to solar influences over the next several decades. It may be akin to the Prohibition era.
And the next story on the front page would be breathing causes Global Warming or yo-yo’ing a yo-yo causes Global Warming, just stating the belief that CO2 is the magic gas that can cause your pencil to sharpen by itself.
Enough of the silly talk, Arctic Ice extent remains higher than 2003, Antarctic ice is above average, and there’s the possible implications of the SOI now about at +9 after rising since April 1st and should hit +10 tomorrow at the current rate. NOAA’s SST chart hasn’t been updated today, breaking the 3-4-3-4 day pattern of updates (they were kind of late with their last update too), I wonder what’s going on?
Skeptic tank
“Well, we had better do something soon before everybody figures out that we really don’t have to do anything”
Unfortunately that won’t be the case regardless of how AGW goes.
Waiting in the wings is ocean acidification they can still blame on human CO2 emissions.
And there’s peak oil, endangered species, habitat loss, public health, reliance on foreign energy, public health and safety, land use and transportation agenda’s and about 50 other causes to cling to and to promote nearly all of the same sweeping policies.
It’s a tyranny of left wing activism run wild. All feeding off each other’s cause while emitting a disdain for human beings enjoying a modern world.
Here in Portland, Oregon we get it all. And the whole state is on the brink of being diagnosed as insane.
Other than that things are looking up. 🙂
layne Blanchard,
Thanks for the kind words.
Suffice it to say, anyone in the running for Miss America (or Vice-President of the US) would be well advised not to answer any global warming questions based on information gathered at WUWT. Real Climate would be a much better site for aspiring beauty queens and politicians to study up on this important issue.
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Q. If it was in your power, what would you do to stop Global Warming?
A. First, I feel so badly for all the Polar Bears and Penguins that are drowning. We all need to drive hybrids and use those new curly light bulbs. If I win, I will fly all over the world and bring the important message that we need to stop making so much carbon – which is killing our planet. I want to leave a carbon-free planet for my grandchildren. It is the only planet we have.
Thunderous applause from the audience
Hmmmm so why is the hole bigger now? We’ve banned CFCs for over 20 years, we should be seeing some attenuation in the ozone hole by now if that was the cause.
If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
If everything anti-correlates…Climate is man-made.
And therefore…
And therefore anthropogenic global warming…
…A witch!
…Is settled science
Jeff, its not that the CFCs are concentrating over the pole, they aren’t, it is that the south pole has the coldest high altitude temperatures. Ozone depletion is a function of temperature AND chlorine concentrations. Some folks have argued that greenhouse effects keep heat low in the troposphere and makes the stratosphere, where the ozone is, colder than normal. Increased cold in the stratosphere causes increased ozone depletion with the same CFC concentrations. So expect to see the AGW cultists claiming CO2 is making the ozone hole worse than it would otherwise be.
Oh BTW: MY personal pet theory for why CO2 is increasing: bigger ozone hole allows more UV to hit the oceans, which kills plankton, reducing the amount of CO2 being sequestered by plankton and incidentally reducing the krill food source for many ocean species, which is why various fisheries have crashed in recent years. Also, increased UV in Antarctica would explain why the penninsula is warming.
Good comments all. Would someone get to Ms. Stroeve and tell her she sounds like a junior high valley girl with all those “you know”s? Even in casual conversation it’s irritating. From someone who’s suppose to be a scientist, it’s downright disturbing. But I guess that’s par for the course.
Anthony, Sweetheart-you know I love you.
But this repetitive insistance of yours that modern scientists must have some credibility is just…. sad.
Anthony
And fellow travelers,
A bit tangential to the topic yet pertinent to subject at hand, is an insightful piece by James V. DeLong 04/21/2009 at The American; http://www.american.com/archive/2009/april-2009/the-coming-of-the-fourth-american-republic. Mr. DeLong Contemplates the under the radar conflict (war?) brewing among the special interest entities that influence the governance of our (US) society. Specifically, The Climate Changers v Financiers v Industrial Interests.
Meanwhile the natural world pays scant attention the scurrying about of emotion driven fools.
Truly, we live in interesting times. More fun ahead.
I nominate Goddard for quote of the week.
Steven Goddard (18:27:24) :
“Suffice it to say, anyone in the running for Miss America (or Vice-President of the US) would be well advised not to answer any global warming questions based on information gathered at WUWT. Real Climate would be a much better site for aspiring beauty queens and politicians to study up on this important issue.”
Steven Goddard, AGW Global Warming has become so debased that it is little more than what people say to get jobs/grants/elected and fulfill their need to conform, which in this day and age means to be PC.
I’ve conclude that 9 out of 10 AGW believers are either plain ignorant like our Miss America or paying lip service.
Which is not to say there aren’t capable scientists that believe in AGW (as a problem serious enough to require action). Although, I think there are far less than claimed.
April (17:39:06) : Wrote “It’s amazing that the one story expects us to be alarmed that the Antarctic Peninsula has lost 27,000 km of ice over 50 years while the other story essentially dismisses 100,000 km per decade of ice growth (over 30 years) as inconsequential.”
Money!
Also…Julienne Strove, by her embarrassing American colloquial English: Scientist or MTV hostess??
Like” well, she like, you know, did not say very much…..you know…..like full on..OMG….you know I don’t now…..I know, right?
Your TAX dollars at work folks.
When will this AGW heist of science end??
Will they be squashed in a darwinian whimper in the name of better science, or will Mother Nature do something more drastic?
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
“Keith Minto (17:04:26) :
Mike Bryant (16:32:19), that is a thoughtful quote but new ideas in science have to come from somewhere and I guess that distillation of ideas collected in ones scientific study could be called creativity.”
True, to look at all the data that everyone else has looked at and to come to a different conclusion is creative. The proving of the hypothesis is the hard part. The new science gets the star on the report sans proof. If it makes you feel good, it’s gotta BE good enough! 🙂