After being called out by WUWT on the fake biotelemtery readings presented as “live” but were actually from March 8th looping repeatedly, Team Catlin had changed the website to say:
“Biometrics – Data for March 8th 2009
Status: Operational”
This is what it originally showed:
I think it is the most honest description yet.
Of course they could just end the farce and remove it. Because, well, who needs demonstrational biotelemetry anyway?
UPDATE: they also posted this at the bottom of the main page:
An apology
We’d like to apologise to anybody who felt misled by our recent biometric data. The data was initially displayed in error in a way that gave the impression that it was live. The intended qualification and explanation that it was, in fact, delayed information, was at first missing. We have subsequently corrected this with specific information concerning the above data. We apologise for the errors and to anyone who may have found the data misleading.
The real question is: how long would they have let that “live” impression go on had WUWT not called them on it? Originally the URL for the “biotelemetry” was
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/live_from_the_ice.aspx
Now that URL if typed in your browser is automatically redirected to:
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/latestfromtheice
So with the words “telemetry” and “live_from_the_ice.aspx” it is clear what the original intent was. The apology is about saving face, nothing else.
Color me unimpressed. They should take down their farcical “biometrics” and call the team home, there’s no science being done here, only public relations, and even that is poorly done.
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I think a lot of the story of first year ice and everything is connected to the start site the Ice Team chose. If you check their Route page, http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/routemap , you can see that they chose 80 N, 140 W as their start site. This puts them in the middle of the cycle of the Beaufort Gyre ( http://nsidc.org/seaice/processes/circulation.html ). This is an area with heavy and regular ice breakup, as you can see in the animation Anthony provided here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/13/watching-the-2007-historic-low-sea-ice-flow-out-of-the-arctic-sea/#more-7019 .
“Steve (03:38:48) :
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/assets/downloads/Ice_Report_14_4_09.pdf
The results collected in the first month of the Catlin survey point to an unexpected lack of multi-year ice…
I thought the machine was bust? And what was ‘unexpected’? They went there to measure the ‘decline’ in the ice.”
Does anyone else think the picture of Pen drilling in the ice with a 20′ auger looks possibly suspicious?
I’ve used an ice auger before and I am both doubtful you could put that many extensions together, and also be able to control or even turn it at that great a depth…..
The picture also looks photoshopped?
Oh dear… thanks for the correction!
Spelling incompetence has tripped this old coot! When the spelling correction is made however, the results STILL show only the happy news from the BBC Catlin search including this uplifting trifle: “Catlin Arctic Survey song project,” from BBC Schools. http://www.nacollege.devon.sch.uk/bbc_schools_report.html
Whilst not trying to be a frozen blanket here, can we expect the team’s iPod to be working any better than the ice measuring electronics? And to our budding artist friends – ask the world’s greatest artists what is more important to art – ideology or truth.
Clearly the issue remains. BBC and other MSM weight their stories (or don’t submit them at all) so only their favored spin arrives on Google searches. In a real world this is still called censorship.
Gentry (02:24:49) :
“One has to wonder about the ‘busted’ Spite radar. Maybe is wasn’t busted at all. Perhaps the readings they were getting were of sea ice that was too thick for the AGW community to accept.”
ScottinMN:
“Does anyone else think the picture of Pen drilling in the ice with a 20′ auger looks possibly suspicious? I’ve used an ice auger before and I am both doubtful you could put that many extensions together, and also be able to control or even turn it at that great a depth….. The picture also looks photoshopped?”
If one of those shoes drops (gets confirmed), Wow!
The picture also looks photoshopped?
No, it doesn’t. It looks like it was taken in low-light and blowing snow, which would not be surprising for the Arctic.
I think I know why they think their readings are wrong. They are not in the location they are showing in the report. If you compare the image they provide here ( http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/assets/downloads/Ice_Report_14_4_09.pdf ) with the image from the route page ( http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/assets/downloads/RouteMap.pdf ), you can see the error.
The grid lines on the findings page are for every five degrees of longitude and latitude. On the Route page, the longitude line are for every ten degrees. Now, the initial start point of the Ice team was supposed to be 80 N 140W, per the webpage. If you use the grid line for 90W longitude (it runs through the Western headlands of Ellesmere Island), that start point would be ten gridlines (140-90=50/5=10) west. The listed line they are using on the Findings page is at 130W, not on the 140W line. They are in the middle of the first year ice in the their satellite image, not in the mixed ice.
Can anyone point me to a site where it is explained how to determine whether some ice is ‘first year’ and how reliable that is?
And this drilling that they are doing now, manually if I understand correctly. That must be an awful job. Do they have a protocol or can they select the pices of ice that do not look too thick?
“AKD (11:10:07) :
The picture also looks photoshopped?
No, it doesn’t. It looks like it was taken in low-light and blowing snow, which would not be surprising for the Arctic.”
I was more refering to the auger blade below his hand doesn’t quite seem to be quite on the same line as above his hand. Hard to tell.
I’m more curious in what he is actually doing. If you need that many extensions, you would drill down the length of one drill bit, take off the handle, add another length put the handle back on , continue drilling and so on. The reverse process would need to be used when extracting the auger out of the ice.
Ignoring the above procedure. In this picture, if he is just starting to drill a hole, he needs to get his 20′ extension ladder off his sledge before he can start drilling. In other words it would not be possible for him to drill a hole with this auger with out assembling it piece by piece while drilling. If he is just finishing a hole why wouldn’t he pull it all the way out and lay it on the ice to de-assemble
Also with the length of pictured auger, it would quite heavy and unwieldy to hold with one hand while bending over to pick something up.
Besides they are only drilling through 1-2 meters of ice, so why the extra length?
I have an explantion of why they are seeing first year ice. They are going around in circles over the same area. They need to mark the holes they have already drillied because of these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg
and scroll down to see the sub with polar bears…..
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73330
Lucy Skywalker (08:28:17) :
… if you Google “Catlin Arctic” you still get 37 rubbish links before WUWT.
But if you Google “Catlin Arctic Survey” WUWT is #3.
They’re in trouble.
Several posters have asked who is paying for the expedition. As I understand it, the principal sponsor is Catlin Insurance, whose home page is:
http://www.catlin.com/
The link for contacting their various worldwide offices is:
http://www.catlin.com/cgl/contact_us/
Presumably, they are aware that they are paying good money to turn their corporate name into a synonym for “farce”. . . . I suspect there are an increasing number of red faces that are not caused by -35 degree temperatures. . . .
PMM (13:16:21):
Presumably, they are aware that they are paying good money to turn their corporate name into a synonym for “farce”. . . . I suspect there are an increasing number of red faces that are not caused by -35 degree temperatures. . . .
And “Money is Stronger than Truth”… Who said that? I don’t recall who said that.
Here is another group that supposed to be out on the ice as well. I wonder if the Catlin group will run into them?
http://expeditions.iceaxe.tv/
The results of the first month of the Catlins survey point to an unexpected lack of multi-year ice ……
Truth is strong and evidencing itself by its particulars , but a lie is always weak and will not hide the true perception taking place ! Given the AGW theory the lack of first year ice was to be expected and what should be unexpected ?The thickness of the ice measured by their radar-machine ? The quantity of older ice found ? One thing is for sure they must have found something very unexpected otherwise the guys would not have used this type of expression ! Where is the proof for their handmade ice-depth surveys . Would it not be very easy to make a video to impress the whole world ? Is not that exactly what the guys are trying to accomplish ? Making a show and not showing what you are trying to do exactly ? Who is doing things like that in our society ? A magician or a medicine-man ? Anyway not a scientist !
“I have seen with my own eyes the irrevocable changes taking place in the Arctic Ocean.”
Pen Hadow
Last time he went was in 2003, It’s a whole lot colder now but notice he didn’t say which way the irrevocable changes were going. After the catlin failure we can only assume he means that it’s a lot colder and more stable.
They also complained about wet sleeping bags. At -40 nothing gets wet! You can’t even make a snowball.
G Alston (21:36:52) :
Everything those ice holes do is demonstrational.
How do we submit something for QOTW?
wow, that proves global warming isnt happening after all, thanks
Delusional is more like it. I’m laughing at the worshipers of Al Gore now and so will the world before too long.
Anthony,
Thanks for publicizing the Catlin Battle on Global Warming. As you and others in the media cast the light of truth on the Catlin action and other skirmishes in the overall War on Global Warming, the people are seeing the tremendous cost in human resources and treasure. Soon there will be protests and demonstrations in which the horrified environmentalists will be burning their World Wildlife Fund Cards. there will be antiwar chants… Hey hey, ho ho, we don,t want your snippin war. Celebrities will will disavow this war, and soon even the government will have to surrender to the will and drag us out of this quagmire. Let’s surrender and stop the killing of our dignity and common sense.
I liked this picture, although I don’t suppose this was a bit they measured..
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/gallery/Latest_Images_from_the_Ice/1311
Would you buy insurance off a company that is sponsoring an expedition that has deliberatly set out to deceive?
Catlin – A name to remember!!!!
It’s not even “demonstational”. When you demonstrate something you are still showing something real. What they are showing isn’t even simulated; it’s a mock-up (I won’t say fake).
Mock data. Hansen has been getting a lot of that lately.