Obama's energy plan: bankrupt coal power plants, skyrocketing electricity rates

You can be as much of a Republican cheerleader in your private life as you want or even on your blog but BOOM there goes your credibility. I don’t want to listen to you telling me how you want me to vote because I don’t care about your politics and now I can’t take you seriously about anything.
To put it bluntly: who cares about what you think about any aspect of climate change because you are just another mouthy defensive republican shoe shine boy.
REPLY: My goodness. Well you must have cared some, otherwise you wouldn’t have taken the time to write. Also would you care to show exactly where I said “listen to you telling me how you want me to vote”? I don’t recall writing or saying any of that.
What I did was list an issue that I thought should be aired. Cap and trade relates to climate change and it is politicized, so I think it is germane.
Unfortunately you weren’t able to express yourself without denigrating me in the process, which isn’t really very nice, but I won’t reciprocate with anger of “defensiveness”.
Anthony

I have read some of the comments that in effect say,” Obama is just making a campaign speech, and the president really can not do anything.” With most political canadates this may be true. Not in Obama’s case. This man’s associations only matter if those associations are a reflections of his views. All indications are that he has the same political views as his long term close associations and had done all possible to hide them.
Cutting to the chase, Obama is a socialist. He is not afraid to cause millions to lose their jobs because he will create millions of government jobs. Jobs in alternative energy for the educated. Jobs in his national security force for the uneducated. (A force a large and well funded as the US military) Remember Rev Wright does not love this country. Rember Obama’s wife has never been proud of this country. Obama does not like America the way it is. In 2001 he said the founding father’s made a huge error in not setting up wealth redistribution in the constitution.
If he has congress and the senate he will set both carbon tax and his national security force in motion. Under the banner of national security he does not have to follow the normal checks and balances. Obama could no more resist carbon tax then a starving man resist food. While he is draining all the profit out of industry he can, he will use these funds and greater deficits and unemployment to set up his national security force. (Do not take a normal politician at his word, always take a radical politician at his word)
He will also give billions to ACORN to “community organize. Do you think I am having a conservative nightmare. Well please understand congress already tried to do this with the bailout. McCain and the republicans stood in their way although they did get several hundred million through anyway.

Making a politically motivated post the day before a general election? Certainly opened my eyes to the motivations behind this blog.
REPLY: Reality check for you Phil, the story broke today…if it broke last week I would have run it LAST WEEK…you are off base sir with such accusations. If you feel that coal power plants should be shut down and that electricity prices should indeed skyrocket….all without any discussion because somebody held on to the story, then I kindly suggest that you move along to another blog where these things are not discussed. Note the masthead and the description of things discussed “recent news”. – Anthony

“but I do feel that Obama is much more inclined to listen to other points of view and include them in his policy decisions,”
Obama is whatever you want him to be. He is always lying to somebody else, never to you. Therefore his words can be ignored safely.
The election is tomorrow and still nobody can provide any accomplishment that doesn’t pale compared to even Palin’s accomplishments during her limited tenure in Alaska. Yet still we all know that he will be reasonable and finally agree with us on whatever issue we don’t like about him.

Whatever your views of the two candidates in tomorrow’s election, I hope you feel that exciting sensation I experience every time I vote in a general election. Millions lost their lives to ensure that once every few years I have an equal say with everyone else on the future of my country.
General election day is the day every one is absolutely equal. No matter how rich or poor, fat or thin, clever or stupid, tall or short; we each have one vote. Every electoral system is imperfect, but so are we.
Go to the ballot box with your head held high and enjoy the right to vote – a right half the world would die to possess.

“Just a reminder, to those who want to see the basis for what is unfolding, read (or re-read) “Atlas Shrugged”.”
I read it over 40 yrs ago and this whole AGW thing has made me think of it often. The
parallels are uncanny and actually a bit scary.

Anthony, though Phil and a few others have questioned this thread, I wholeheartedly agree with it. This is a simple case where faulty science is being used to further political agendas. Whatever the outcome of the election, there is a better than evens chance that the data will expose, in time, the flawed premise on which this alarmism has been based.
As a result, the ramifications for science in general, as a “disciplined discipline”, could be enormous. We have already seen it in the UK with the MMR vaccine scare. Science was once synonymous for the neutral, logical and falsifiable. That could all get thrown out of the window over this.

Hummm,
A couple of different paths being followed in this thread. Anthony is usually pretty scientific in his posts here – but occasionally there is a post to let people “let off steam”. (Until that becomes illegal, it’s a greenhouse gas you know).
But I think those who deride this thread as being unscientific and politial only are missing the point. Global Warming, Climate Change, and whatever else you want to call it is political. The science is more than ambiguous and probably against man caused global warming by CO2. Land use and other areas are less certain. It’s the pols that are taking the ball from so called environmentalists and running to the printer with it.
I do not think there is one person who posts to this blog who would dismiss legitimate science just because it supported AGW. The problem is, there is so little of it. Most of the land temperature results in the USA are from weather stations in compromised situations. Bad data does not science make.
It is a political issue, and one that will cause people to lose jobs, income, shelter, heat, and lives.
Bankrupting the coal industry is probably not possible with a world market for good coal. It’s just that we in the US of A won’t be able to take advantage of this cheap and relatively benign form of energy (when compared to nuclear energy) I’d rather breath the fumes of a coal plant then the fumes of a factory making solar panels. (That’s an exaggerated statement to get your attention… )

Cathy:
At least Obama has read the Federalist Papers. I wonder how many on this blog have ever really read the Constitution or studied the founding fathers.
I can’t believe educated people complain that Obama is going to make this country socialist. What a crock! It is as if people here have no clue what socialism is.
Are our public schools socialist because they are funded by the government? I dare say that nearly everyone on this blog owes his education or some part of his education to public schools, of if they don’t their parents do. If you support public schools are you socialist? It amazes me how if we want the government to do something we call it public, but if we don’t we call it socialist.
This notion that the government can’t do anything and that if it does its socialist is a bunch of hooey. The founding fathers clearly had in mind that the government do much of the heavy lifting of society.
And I have said before that it is government regulation that keeps monopolies from ruining private competition.
What we have in America today is far closer to fascism than it is to socialism.
Mussolini, the Godfather of fascism, said fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is the merger of governmental and corporate power.
What America has truly been at risk as of late is the merger of corporate and governmental power.
Socialism is when government takes over business and begins to run businesses. This certainly has not been the trend. In fact, many of our governmental institutions have been turned over to the private sector. Parts of our military (Blackwater and Halliburton), our prisons, many of our public utilities, many of our public hospitals, the construction of our roads and bridges and dams, our airports, and our elections. Wall Street would love to have your social security if it could get its hands on it. The list just goes on and on. And when corporations take over traditional governmental roles, that smacks of fascism not socialism.
I really don’t see any desire on Obama’s part to have the government take over business and even if he did, it would take a long time for government to take back running many of the programs it used to run.
I guess most here are too young to know what it was like before we got the notion that we should privatize everything.

Pierre Gosselin (12:48:48) :
Pierre, you omitted 11. Government take-over and control of your 401(k).

‘national security force’ in another time and place they were called ‘brown shirts’, its only been 70 years or so in history.