Climate Cooking:  from Roger Pielke Jr.

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Excerpts from Roger Pielke Jr.’s Substack

How a few billionaires helped push climate science to the extremes

Pielke Jr. starts with an update on his important work in challenging flawed narratives of catastrophe.

Happy Saturday! First, a few announcements. My paper, Scientific Integrity and U.S. “Billion Dollar Disasters” has passed peer-review and will soon be published in the new Nature journal npj Natural Hazards. You can read the as-accepted-draft of the paper at OSF, which I have just posted. On Tuesday at 2PM ET, I’ll be testifying at the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Pandemic at a hearing titled, “Academic Malpractice: Examining the Relationship Between Scientific Journals, the Government, and Peer Review.” Holden Thorp, editor-in-chief of Science is also scheduled to testify. I’ll post my testimony and reflections following the hearing, which you can watch here.

https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/climate-cooking

The rest of his post is an update to a 2020 article in Forbes.

I strongly recommend reading the piece in its entirety.

Introduction: The Genesis of a Narrative

Roger Pielke Jr.’s exposition reveals the origins and impacts of the influential RCP8.5 climate scenario, which has shaped much of contemporary climate research and policy. The narrative begins with Tom Steyer’s 2012 gathering, where leading environmental and political figures discussed strategies to make climate change a more palpable issue for the public through economic narratives.

The Billionaire’s Table and the Birth of a Strategy

At the center of the corruption of climate science discussed here sits a highly technical scenario of the future called Representation Concentration Pathway 8.5 or RCP8.5. Longtime readers of THB will no doubt be familiar with RCP8.5 and its consequences, but for anyone needing a quick primer, have a look at our short paper in Issues in Science and Technology.

Today, I add further details to this incredible story by explaining the important role in promoting RCP8.5 played by billionaires Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg.

The meeting, described as a turning point, was not merely a discussion but a strategic planning session that aimed to reframe climate change as an immediate economic threat. “Steyer was focused on the question: ‘How do you make climate change feel real and immediate for people?'” The outcome was a targeted approach to influence public perception and policy through economic impact studies, leading to the creation of the “Risky Business” project.

According to the New York Times, in November 2012, one month after stepping down from the hedge fund he led, Steyer gathered environmental leaders and Democratic party leaders around the kitchen table at his ranch in Pescadero, California. Among those in attendance were Bill McKibben, the founder of 350.org, and John Podesta, who had founded the Center for American Progress (CAP) in 2003 to promote progressive causes.1 Today, John Podesta serves as President Biden’s “climate envoy,” recently replacing John Kerry.

At the 2012 kitchen table meeting, Steyer was focused on the question: “How do you make climate change feel real and immediate for people?” He was convinced by attendees that the best way to answer this question was by appealing to people’s pocketbooks, through the economics of climate impacts.

Following this meeting, Steyer invited two collaborators and co-funders to join him — One was Michael Bloomberg, then a political independent who was completing 12 years as the mayor of New York. The other was Hank Paulson, a Republican who was a former CEO of Goldman Sachs and who had also served as Secretary of the Treasury under George W. Bush.

Each of Steyer, Bloomberg and Paulson contributed $500,000 to the initial project, which had the goal of,

making the climate threat feel real, immediate and potentially devastating to the business world

Risky Business and the Misuse of RCP8.5

The core of the “Risky Business” report was to project the economic implications of the most extreme emissions scenario—RCP8.5—as the most likely outcome if no action was taken. This projection was fundamentally flawed, as it misrepresented RCP8.5 as ‘business as usual’ and suggested, erroneously, that policy changes could shift us from one RCP scenario to another. Pielke critiques this approach: “Both of these methodological choices were contrary to the appropriate use of the scenarios.”

The approach focused on characterizing the extreme RCP8.5 scenario as “the closest to a business-as-usual trajectory” and centered its economic analysis on that scenario:

we focus on RCP 8.5 as the pathway closest to a future without concerted action to reduce future warming

By focusing on the most extreme scenario as business-as-usual they guaranteed that the economic impacts of climate change that they projected into the future would be eye-poppingly large.

But in generating large economic impacts, the authors of the Risky Business report made two significant methodological mistakes. In addition to improperly characterizing the extreme RCP 8.5 scenario as “business as usual,” they improperly presented other scenarios of the IPCC as representing different policy outcomes, suggesting that we could “move” from one scenario to another: “

Moving from RCP 8.5 to RCP 2.6 (as well as RCP 4.5 and RCP 6.0) will come at a cost

Both of these methodological choices were contrary to the appropriate use of the scenarios, according the modeling experts who created them, and who explained at the time:

“RCP8.5 cannot be used as a no-climate-policy reference scenario [”business as usual”] for the other RCPs because RCP8.5’s socioeconomic, technology and biophysical assumptions differ from those of the other RCPs”

The scenarios are completely independent from each other, and policy cannot “move” us from one to another. Consider that RCP2.6 represents a world with 3 billion less people than RCP8.5. The Risky Business methodology ignored such critical details while promoting a simple narrative.

Propagation Through Scientific and Media Channels

Dodgy science published by climate advocacy groups is certainly not uncommon and it is usually not that interesting. But the genius of the Risky Business project was that it did not stop with a flashy report aimed at the daily news cycle. It undertook a far more sophisticated campaign focused on introducing its methods into the mainstream scientific literature, where they would take on a life of their own.

For instance, soon after the initial Risky Business report was released in 2014 the Steyer-Bloomberg-Paulson funded work was the basis for 11 talks at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco, which is the largest annual gathering of climate researchers.

The flawed assumptions of the “Risky Business” reports did not remain confined to a single project but spread through scientific literature and the media, influencing major assessments and policy decisions. This widespread adoption was facilitated by continued advocacy and publication in prestigious journals, despite the methodological errors. “The Risky Business analyses published in the scientific literature…influenced subsequent research and served as a basis for authoritative scientific reviews,” Pielke notes.

The next step was to get the Risky Business analyses published in the scientific literature where they could influence subsequent research and serve as a basis for authoritative scientific reviews, such as the U.S. National Climate Assessment.

For instance, a 2016 paper published in the prestigious journal Science from the Risky Business project featured the erroneous notion of moving from one RCP scenario to another via policy, comparing “business as usual” (RCP 8.5) and “strongest emissions mitigation” (RCP 2.6). That paper has subsequently been cited more than 1,100 times (as of April 2024) according to Google Scholar. Despite the obvious methodological flaw, the paper passed peer review and received little or no criticism. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of papers followed similarly in adopted the same assumption of “moving” between incommensurate scenarios.

The 2018 U.S. National Climate Assessment (NCA) offers a particularly notable example. The work initiated by the Risky Business project was cited almost 200 times in that report, including direct references to the project’s reports as well as the work of its lead consultant, the Rhodium Group. One of the lead researchers for Risky Business was also a lead author of the NCA. His research, supported by Risky Business, was cited more than 150 times in the NCA. Yet, nowhere that I have seen was it disclosed by the NCA that this lead author was under contract with the Rhodium Group from 2015 to 2022.

Pielke Jr. notes the subsequent creation of the Climate Impact Lab used to inundate the media with catastrophic alarmist stories.

All of these reports are based on the misuse of scenarios, and especially RCP8.5.

The Consequences of Misguided Methodologies

The article details how the misuse of RCP8.5 has permeated scientific literature, with over 6,700 academic papers incorrectly referencing it as ‘business as usual.’ This misuse has skewed the scientific and public understanding of climate risk, magnifying perceptions of threat and urgency in ways that may not align with the most likely scenarios.

According to my search of academic citations (using Google Scholar) more than 6,700 academic papers have used “business as usual” and RCP8.5 together since 2011. If each paper is cited 15 times, that would mean that more than 100,000 papers have cited papers that mistakenly refer to RCP8.5 as “business as usual” and many of these papers improperly compare other RCP scenarios as policy options.

Further, not only did the USNCA adopted the flawed methodology of the Risky Business projects, but so too has the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, most notably in its 2019 Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate. There is no doubt that climate science and policy have been profoundly influenced by the Risky Business campaign.

Of course, the Steyer-Bloomberg-Paulson investments were not entirely responsible for the misuse of scenarios in the scientific literature, but they are clearly an important part of the story.

Pielke Jr. notes the flawed (I would say ideologically corrupted) behavior of scientific institutions and media in the propagation of these exaggerated, to say the least, narratives of climate change threats.

The corruption of climate science occurred because some of our most important institutions have let us down. The scientific peer review process has failed to catch obvious methodological errors in research papers. Leading scientific assessments have ignored conflicts of interest and adopted flawed methods. The major media has been selectively incurious as to the impact of big money in climate advocacy on climate science, assessments, and policy.

Conclusion: The Imperative for Integrity in Climate Science

Pielke Jr. concludes with a call to restore integrity in climate science, highlighting the necessity of adhering to rigorous scientific standards irrespective of political or financial motivations. “We are going to need good science in the future—so it is best to keep it that way, no matter what cause it is enlisted to support,” he asserts.

Pielke Jr.’s article about RCP8.5 and the manufacturing of circular alarmist constructed narratives is not just about climate science; it’s about how science is used—or misused—to shape policy and perception. It serves as a cautionary tale of the power of narratives, the influence of money, and the critical need for vigilance in maintaining scientific standards.

Again, Pielke Jr.’s Substack is well worth a read.

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Rud Istvan
April 13, 2024 10:32 am

‘Restore integrity in climate science’.

That is not possible. Integrity would mean no need for more ‘climate science’ — on which thousands of academic careers have been built, for example by dire warnings about an RCP8.5 future.

Climate science integrity would mean:

  1. Sea level rise is NOT going to accelerate.
  2. Arctic summer sea ice is NOT going to disappear.
  3. Polar bears are NOT threatened.
  4. Climate models are NOT trustworthy—they produce spurious results.
  5. Renewables are NOT viable at scale.
  6. EV mandates are NOT physically achievable.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
April 13, 2024 11:47 am

I’ll see your six points with my six points:

1. More rain is not a problem.
2. Warmer weather is not a problem.
3. More arable land is not a problem.
4. Longer growing seasons is not a problem.
5. CO2 greening of the earth is not a problem.
6. There isn’t any Climate Crisis.

Reply to  Steve Case
April 13, 2024 2:57 pm

1) An unelected, self-serving Obama/Clinton cabal is using their “installed” lying-Biden as a worn-out marionette, who can’t form a sentence, can’t deal with a teleprompter, is totally addled, does not know how to climb a stair, needs handholding, to advance their disastrously expensive, leftist wind/solar/battery/EV/heat pump agenda, to turn the US in some kind of zombie “state”, with uncontrolled borders, with chaotic crime epidemics, with endangered communities, because of a flood of illegals, so the cabal can permanently wrest political command/control, and the very soul, from the long-suffering/impoverished US people.
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That cabal will stop at nothing, do whatever it takes, to keep hold of the levers of power
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2) A study revealed that the annual mean temperature of OSLO has increased by 1.5 °C in the period 1838–2012.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269274665_The_Oslo_tempera
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The most pronounced increase in annual temperature occurred during the last 50 years, and in the early 20th century that ended with a local maximum in the 1930s.
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The temperature has increased significantly in all seasons; however, the temperature increase in summer was less than a half of that in winter and spring, which were the seasons with largest increase.
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In addition the monthly mean temperature of the coldest month in each year has increased two times faster than the warmest one.
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3) That corresponds to temps in Vermont, per NOAA
GLOBAL WARMING IN VERMONT
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/global-warming-in-vermont

Summer
Each year has peak temperatures during the summer months June, July, August. The below graph shows those peak temperatures in Vermont, for about 40 years.
 
Those temperatures were measured by the weather stations in Vermont of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA
 
Vermont has four weather stations; Burlington, St Johnsbury, Castleton and Windsor.
New Hampshire also has four stations
 
The peak temperatures increased by 1.5 F over 40 years, or 0.0375 F per year.
 
Almost all people cannot sense the difference of 77 F and 78.5 F
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Winter
A similar graph shows the minimum temperatures during the months of December, January, February
 
The minimum temperatures increased by 4.2 F over 40 years, or 0.1 F per year. 
Most older Vermonters agree, winters in Vermont have been getting warmer.
Heating demand is driven by temperature difference, which was about 65 F, indoor – 9.8 F, outdoor = 55.2 F in 1980, and became 65 F, indoor – 14 F outdoor = 51 F in 2020
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At present, it takes 7.6% less Btu for space heating a house than 40 years ago. 

Reply to  wilpost
April 13, 2024 3:22 pm

“At present, it takes 7.6% less Btu for space heating a house than 40 years ago. “

That would be because of double/triple pane windows, higher insulation ratings, etc.

Reply to  g3ellis
April 14, 2024 11:34 am

Very few older houses have such windows and insulation and sealing.

I built my house in 1986. It is above average regarding energy efficiency of VT housing.

If I were to build another house, it would be highly insulated and sealed, and be off the grid, and have ground source heat pumps, solar panels, batteries, generator, and 1000-gal hot water storage tank.

No heating, hot water and electric bills, a saving of at least $6000/y; I would have to make $10,000 to have $6000 left over after fed and state taxes.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  g3ellis
April 26, 2024 1:47 pm

Which would only exist in recently constructed homes built by rich people.

Apparently you have not seen much of Vermont.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Rud Istvan
April 13, 2024 11:53 am

As Michael Crichton noted with eugenics, it is possible to discredit a “scientific” mass movement, but that took the Second World War.
Nixon’s War on Cancer mostly went away, other than a zombie raising by the advocates of California’s Proposition 65.

David Goeden
Reply to  Tom Halla
April 13, 2024 8:34 pm

The virus scam has made more people distrust all the institutions. The swamp’s high tech crucifixion of Trump should motivate him to hit back if he is elected.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
April 13, 2024 10:07 pm

After 36 years, what new physics of the climate has “climate science” discovered? I’d submit they’ve discovered nothing.

Bigger computers crunching ever larger still wrong numerical models.

But no new physics. The whole thing is a mindless charade. A subjective narrative decorated with mathematics. And the APS remained silent.

Reply to  Pat Frank
April 14, 2024 3:04 am

“The whole thing is a mindless charade.”

Yes, the climate alarmists have no evidence to back up their claims of climate change doom.

Reply to  Pat Frank
April 15, 2024 10:43 am

Well, they learned how to read a tree ring.
(Oh! Wait! You said physics, not psychics! Never mind!)

Reply to  Rud Istvan
April 14, 2024 4:02 am

Your list should be front page news but of course it won’t be.

April 13, 2024 11:34 am

At the 2012 kitchen table meeting, Steyer was focused on the question: “How do you make climate change feel real and immediate for people?”

Take a flight from Denver to Miami. You’ll feel it. Immediately.

We focus on RCP 8.5 as the pathway closest to a future without concerted action to reduce future warming”

But their projections never materialize, ever.

“It undertook a far more sophisticated campaign focused on introducing its methods into the mainstream scientific literature, where they would take on a life of their own.”

It isn’t just with the climate hype where they use this tactic. They use it in everything. The “sophisticated campaign” is used extensively by the lamestream media for any and all subjects.

“1.5 million more people may die in India by 2100 due to extreme heat by climate change”

They probably lost more than that from Covid-19 in the span of a couple of years. We lost over a million, and our population in the US is maybe a fifth of India’s. And we’re losing 100,000 per year from fentanyl.

“Rising sea levels could swamp major cities and displace almost 200 million people, scientists say”

Wake me up when that happens…

Reply to  johnesm
April 14, 2024 3:08 am

“It isn’t just with the climate hype where they use this tactic. They use it in everything. The “sophisticated campaign” is used extensively by the lamestream media for any and all subjects.”

That’s correct. The leftwing media hype anything that gives the Left political power, and climate change scaremongering fits the bill perfectly.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 15, 2024 4:09 pm

Some are “useful idiots”. Some are willing to lie for “The Cause”.
The end justifies the means.

— “We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” – Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports.

— “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” – Timothy Wirth, president of the UN Foundation.

Reply to  johnesm
April 15, 2024 4:01 pm

At the 2012 kitchen table meeting, Steyer was focused on the question: “How do you make climate change feel real and immediate for people?”

If, after 30 or more + years it doesn’t “feel real and immediate”, maybe it isn’t real and immediate?

What to do? Focus on scaring and selling it to people that are under 30 years old?

(Many of us “Layman” are quite a bit older that 30 years old. And unlike, Brandon, we can still remember weather that actually happened.)

Mr.
April 13, 2024 11:58 am

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

Let’s hope that the recovery from climate delusion and madness gains momentum and restoration of sense is accelerated.

gyan1
Reply to  Mr.
April 13, 2024 1:23 pm

“I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors.”

-Thomas Jefferson 1807

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  gyan1
April 13, 2024 2:35 pm

So Twain’s quote was a ripoff of Jefferson. Interesting.

gyan1
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
April 14, 2024 1:07 pm

Twain said that those who don’t look at newspapers are uniformed. Those who do are misinformed. A different slant but Jefferson is probably where he came up with it.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
April 15, 2024 4:22 pm

I think that there are lots of quotes that are misattributed. Some “made up” and some said by someone who was borrowing from someone who said it earlier or just remembered it as an important idea.
BUT, what was said, the idea expressed, is what matters.
(It’s nice to know who first expressed or said it. But …)

All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that’s an alibi for my ignorance.

Will Rogers

George Daddis
Reply to  Mr.
April 13, 2024 4:50 pm

Yes, the 2nd half of the admonition is often overlooked:
“.. while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

That is why this is an uphill battle; “they” have mass media and the government on their side; we have to win the “herd” over person by person.

Sites like this are a help, but are really preaching to the converted.

Reply to  George Daddis
April 14, 2024 3:13 am

“preaching to the converted”

That’s true to a certain extent, but I come here because I’m not an expert in every phase of science, so when I see a climate change doom story that talks about a subject I’m not too familiar with, I come to WUWT, and am guaranteed that one expert or another will weigh in on the subject, and then I learn something new.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 14, 2024 4:12 am

I agree about the value of this site.

strativarius
April 13, 2024 12:52 pm

Bent as a nine bob note; that’s climate science. And they ceaselessly remind us why [they believe] we need them.

We don’t.

antigtiff
April 13, 2024 12:53 pm

Climate Change is so diabolical….so fitted to pseudoscience and sleazy politicians…..like the Great Obomba and Joke Biden who say gimmee trillions so I can save you from the coming Apocalypse….the scientists know best….listen to them and follow all my instructions carefully…or you are gonna die. Both Joke and Obomba need more covid shots….now!

John Hultquist
April 13, 2024 1:14 pm

 Steyer, Bloomberg, and Podesta should go to jail for this. Instead, they are running the Country.
If there is a way to stop the madness, I fail to see it.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John Hultquist
April 13, 2024 2:37 pm

Indeed. All the “Exxon Knew” lawsuits should be “Steyer, Bloomberg, Podesta, and Paulson Lied”.

Reply to  John Hultquist
April 14, 2024 3:16 am

“If there is a way to stop the madness, I fail to see it.”

Electing Trump would be a good start.

The madness will continue if Democrats are elected.

gyan1
April 13, 2024 1:18 pm

RCP 8.5 has been invalidated by observations but that doesn’t stop media from presenting it as an unquestionable determination of future climate states. The fictional costs imputed from that phony scenario are also treated as unquestionable real world data. The benefits side of the equation isn’t even considered.

Hats off to Roger for making the effort to expose this fraud!

People are slowly waking up to the fact they are being lied to. Alarmists are being marginalized because their ridiculous delusions can’t survive critical examination. I’ve been making headway in my local newspaper who stopped censoring factual posts.

Psyops Climate denier shaming is still keeping people from supporting empirical science.

Reply to  gyan1
April 14, 2024 3:19 am

“Hats off to Roger for making the effort to expose this fraud!”

Yes!

What Roger describes is science fraud, not science.

Scientists should insist that climate science start obeying the rules. Speculation is not equivalent to evidence, and climate alarmists should stop saying it is.

gyan1
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 14, 2024 1:13 pm

Real scientists don’t make definitive conclusions when the effect they are trying to quantify is lost in the uncertainty bands. Multiple peer reviewed studies have shown that model uncertainty is 10-100x the effect they are trying to isolate.

Preposterous pseudoscience dominates establishment climate “science”. Cherry picking is standard practice.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 15, 2024 12:20 pm

Consensus is not proof. Models are not experiments.

MarkW
April 13, 2024 1:59 pm

According to this site, https://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/pop_clock.asp almost 10 million people die in India each year. With 76 years left till 2100, that means around 760 million people are going to die in India by then.
An additional 1.5 million doesn’t work out to rounding error.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
April 13, 2024 2:01 pm

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.” As long as the Marxists control the MSM (internet included) we can only hope the economics will bring down the lie.

Curious George
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
April 13, 2024 3:18 pm

That’s where AI will shine. Abandon all hope.

Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
April 14, 2024 3:29 am

“As long as the Marxists control the MSM (internet included)”

Yes, I think that is the main problem we face. The MSM puts out climate change doom stories 24-hour a day, along with a million other leftwing lies. The False Reality they create misleads a lot of people into voting for the wrong people (Democrats). Putting Democrats in power is a threat to the Republic and to our personal freedoms. That’s the problem we face, and the one we need to fix.

Fewer people listen to the leftwing MSM these days. Maybe there’s hope for the future.

Bob
April 13, 2024 2:33 pm

Well done Roger, this is really important information. It is fantastic that you made it through the peer review process and will likely be published but more importantly we need to educate the average guy about the shenanigans taking place in the science community, news community, academic community and some of the most wealthy among us. It is not a good thing and everyone needs to know it.

i would like to hear more about why you can’t move from one RCP scenario to the next. I always assumed that is what the issue was about, to move to lower and lower RCP levels.

Reply to  Bob
April 14, 2024 2:23 am

He is making a really simple logical point. Take RCP 8.5 versus RCP 2.6.

RCP 2.6 has 3 billion fewer people population. So if all you do is change the emissions forecast from the RCP 8.5 assumption to that of RCP 2.6, you will not get to the climate scenario of RCP 2.6, you will instead get to a quite different climate scenario which does not feature in the various RCPs.

That is, you’ll get to a scenario with the same global population as RCP 8.5, but with lower human emissions.

What will the effect of this on climate be? Who knows, it has not been modelled. Same for all the other differences between the scenarios.

You cannot tell policymakers that all they have to do is move emissions to RCP 2.6 levels, and they will get RCP 2.6 warming. You don’t know if they will or not. It may be that you only get RCP 2.6 temps if you ALSO hold down population, and the emission reduction is a quite small contributor to the difference between the two scenarios.

The legitimate way to compare the effects of different levels of emission is to hold everything else constant.

Its a bit like the Finnish dietary change. The Finns had very high rates of cardiovascular disease. They undertook a health drive. It involved eliminating smoking, increasing fruit and vegetables in the diet, and lowering saturated fat consumption. It was a great success, cardio disease fell.

Was it due to reducing saturated fat consumption? If another country with a different smoking and dietary profile lowers saturated fat consumption, will that lower cardio disease rates?

You have no idea without a lot more work. If you want to attribute causation you have to rule out confounding variables. In forecasting using a model, you have to hold confounding variables constant between scenarios. Otherwise you can’t measure the effect of the one you are changing.

Bob
Reply to  michel
April 14, 2024 9:01 pm

Thanks. Do you think most people understand this or are most of us misguided and thinking the way I was thinking?

April 13, 2024 2:50 pm

Story tip

Germany Electric Car Sales Plummet 30% As Country Floats Idea Of Weekend Driving Ban! (notrickszone.com)

“Germany’s federal minister of transportation, Dr. Volker Wissing, is threatening to ban driving on weekends by motorists in order othe country “to meet climate goals set forth by the Climate Protection Act.””

Weekend driving ban..????

WTF !!!!!

Try that in Australia you would get hung, dragged and quartered quick sharp !

Will the German public bow and scrape.. or will they grow a backbone and start to fight this totalitarian idiocy.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 13, 2024 6:23 pm

Try that in Australia you would get hung, dragged and quartered quick sharp !

I am in Melbourne, Australia and I along with many other Melbournians were banned from driving anywhere anytime apart from buying food for almost a year.

Australians proved to be more compliant than most would anticipate.

Reply to  RickWill
April 13, 2024 9:15 pm

They were CONNED by virus alarmism…

Hopefully they are more awake now.

I know everyone around would just laugh at them, and tell them where to stick it !!

George Daddis
April 13, 2024 4:42 pm

The corruption of climate science occurred because some of our most important institutions have let us down.”

One could plausibly point to Stephen Schneider‘s “wink-wink-nudge-nudge” admonition that scientists had to choose between being entirely honest about uncertainties vs getting the public support for their “cause” as a critical turning point.

Reply to  George Daddis
April 14, 2024 3:51 am

Stephen Schneider was promoting the Human-caused Global Cooling scare back in the 1970’s, and then when the temperatures stopped cooling and started warming in the 1980’s, well then, Stephen went to promoting Human-caused Global Warming, like a butterfly flittering from one flower to another.

https://www.masterresource.org/global-cooling-climate-change/stephen-schneider-and-global-cooling-an-exchange/

“Stephen Schneider in 1976 was Deputy Head, Climate Project at NCAR. He endorsed Lowell Ponte’s ‘The Cooling‘ (1976) on the back cover, where I get Schneider’s title from. He was far from “fresh out of school,” having spend years as a postdoctoral fellow at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies on climate change issues.

Second, add Reid Bryson to the cooling scare–another very top scientist. These scientists were responding to the global cooling of 1945-75, approximately.”

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I was around in the 1970’s. I started my subscription to Scientific American maganzine in 1971. I read all about Human-caused Global Cooling there. Those who claim that scientists were not worrying about global cooling should get themselves a copy of the indexes of Scientific American for the 1970’s and early 1980’s.

When climate scientists first started writing about Human-caused Global Cooling, I was not automaticallly skeptical, I thought maybe they were on to something and I looked forward to them laying out the mechanism and how humans were causing the Earth’s climate to cool. And I waited and I waited and I waited and I waited. And the climate scientists *never* laid out the mechanism for how humans were causing the climate to cool.

This caused me great frustration. Here were real scientists making claims they never backed up with facts. How could this be?

So, natuarlly, when the Human-caused Global Warming crowd started making noises in the 1980’s, I was highly skeptical of their claims, and to this very day, they have not proven even one of their claims about CO2 and the Earth’s atmosphere and weather. They have not made even one connection, so are now reduced to “confidence levels”, which is nothing more than guessing.

Climate Science is in a pathetic state, all because of money and greed and the effort to gain political power.

April 14, 2024 3:56 am

“‘How do you make climate change feel real and immediate for people?’””

Absurd. If it doesn’t feel real then it isn’t real.

April 14, 2024 3:57 am

“Representation Concentration Pathway”

What the heck does that mean?

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 14, 2024 5:56 am

It is a made-up term, like the “forcing” that the “8.5” refers to. They don’t have any real problems they can point to, so they simply make things up to pretend that they know what they are talking about, and try to scare people with it.

Reply to  stevekj
April 14, 2024 6:34 am

And they use a word like “forcing” which sounds like rape.

Sparta Nova 4
April 15, 2024 9:45 am

The net result is equivalent to brainwashing the masses.