The "long whimper" of failing climate alarmism

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Guest essay by Gary Pearse (elevated from a comment)

On the thread Yale University Closes Climate Change Institute longtime WUWT commenter Gary Pearse gave a synopsis of the anemic state of climate activism these days. As I published that article, I had thought to myself that the closing of this Yale Climate Institute signals a sea-change, one that has been long in coming. Gary cemented those thoughts, and I have reproduced his comments here with added links to his references in order to provide the perspective.


Gary Pearse

This is part of the long whimper. Climategate in 2009 and the “ridiculously resilient” Pause were pretty much the straws that cracked the climate’s back. The timing of both marked the beginning of the pandemic of chronic clinical depression that struck an unknown number of prominent climate scientists more than halfway through their careers that we don’t hear of anymore.

Many were Ozzies- for some odd reason more than half the climate industry is Australian -(CSIRO canned…wait for it…350 of them – more than three worlds’ worth for a science with one linear equation and a one chemical element to deal with). And they have an evermore increasingly ridiculous Climate Science Centre of Excellence that sticks out like the statue of Saddam’s thumb that you will recall got pushed over ignominiously.The commodore of the Ship of Fools who got stuck in the ice and pummeled by blizzards while studying the disastrous effects of global warming on Antarctica and had to be rescued by a Chinese helicopter (you can’t make this stuff up) got an award from the Centre of Excellence for this debacle. He ventured back into the limelight to do an encore without risking making a voyage, of course, to report the sad news of a large flock of Adelie Penguins having died leaving their sad remains all over the ice – these turned out to be the remains of birds mummified decades ago. A knowledgeable commentator advised us that it is normal to find dead chicks broken eggs and the mummified remains because there are no clean-up predators in Antarctica and they are quick frozen. McIntyre, who is a one man climate science paper killer will need help to finish off the job of cleaning out the thousands of worthless climate papers in the literature.

Joe Romm – gone. Real Climate hanging on like a foundering ship, Bill McKibben- gone in tears, Al Gore – sold his TV station to oil sheiks and makes only half-hearted appearances with his tattered “reality elixir show” on life support like the end days of Buffalo Bill. New York times shuts down its embarrassing global warming section and several other dying newspapers have done the same. James Lovelock, inventor of Gaia gracefully recanted his position, saying it was a way too overblown.

And those remaining? These are the ones with the most skin in the game and also those captive to their governments urging them on in this dead issue. They also have psychological issues I’m sure, evidenced by the reckless, ‘sauve qui peut’ (save what you can is a losing sides last order in a war) behavior of simply trashing the pause. They are giving their bosses their all and will be taking a comfortable retirement before Trump is inaugurated although their legacy won’t be something to dwell on.

A tide of change is coming from other university researchers that are emboldened to give ocean acidifcation a decent burial, resurrection of the Pause, good things about CO2 and some warmth etc. This is the long, slow death spiral of CAGW. Lamar’s Senate House investigation of the killing of the pause, the Shukla affair, etc. may wind it up.


I would like to add a few other little known factoids to the excellent list Gary created. Remember when Real Climate went dark? It’s because the parent environmental organization, Fenton Communications/EMS, that bankrolled RC went dark themselves in 2005, and eventually, RC got the hosting rug pulled out from under them as people and domain registered email addresses disappeared.

Oh but it doesn’t stop there, Fitzgibbon Media is no more, thanks to the founder who couldn’t keep it in his pants

Forecast the Facts & a bunch of other global warming campaigns … kaput. (h/t to Ryan Maue)

Speaking of not being able to “keep it in your pants” we end on this note with purveyor of “voodoo science”,  former railroad engineer, slutty potboiler novelist, and disgraced IPCC chairman Rajenda Pachauri, who got caught with sexual harrasment issues, and who has now been formally charged. Ironically, the list of charges span 1400 pages, which is about 1000 more than his autobiographical sex novel, but far more factual.

Good riddance.

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evcricket
March 4, 2016 11:57 am

One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you.
[Obviously, Gary misspoke and used the word “element” instead of “compound”. So Doug, do you have a point while glossing over all the other things while sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting la la la la la? – mod]

Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 12:37 pm

It’s policy based “science” and we have to find a much better Word for that? Hmmm… Marxscience?

Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 1:07 pm

But just saying that its ideology also gives meaning to this topic?

Stonyground
Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 1:09 pm

Lysencoism?

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 1:13 pm

“Lysenkoism” describes it to a T, as in Trotsky.

Odin2
Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 1:54 pm

Lysenko science

RWTurner
Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 2:14 pm

Are you figuratively clueless, literally clueless, or just plain clueless?

Hivemind
Reply to  Santa Baby
March 4, 2016 9:49 pm

“Marxscience” … try propaganda

Reply to  Santa Baby
March 5, 2016 6:28 am

“Carbon Pollution”
Who coined that term?
The alarmest mob.
So Who is it that has no idea what they’re talking about?
Perhaps the author here is using the alarmist misnomer to make a point.
Carbon IS an element, a single element.
CO2 of course is a compound but the term CO2 pollution is rarely seen.
evcricket seems cynical. I wonder if he’s recently been declared redundant.

Reply to  Santa Baby
March 7, 2016 12:26 am

It has got a name: praxis

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 12:38 pm

It is one element CARBON, the whole thing is about carbon credits, carbon compounds, carbon footprint, everything CARBON … CO2 is just the most prominent poster child

Pa Greer
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
March 4, 2016 12:46 pm

Mark, you are a genius. Great minds think alike.

J
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
March 4, 2016 12:48 pm

And the best….carbon “pollution”.

Reply to  J
March 4, 2016 6:03 pm

Carbon Pollution Immune Deficiency (CPID).
A creative class action attorney will use disparate impact to link high carbon pollution and unhealthiness.
Will happen is they get another 8 years at the helm.

RWTurner
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
March 4, 2016 2:25 pm

Furthermore, one chemical element could refer to CO2.
el·e·ment
ˈeləmənt
noun
1.
a part or aspect of something abstract
Solar variability is one element of the climate system.

nigelf
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
March 5, 2016 5:56 am

Carbon Dioxide Derangement Syndrome.

bobl
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
March 5, 2016 5:49 pm

I keep telling ’em that I’ll take as much of the nasty stuff (Carbon) as they can deliver – (truckloads even). The one small stipulation I have is that for purposes of compact storage (of course) that it must be in the most compact form possible the cubic Bravais lattice form of carbon.
Thank you, I’ll just wait for the delivery trucks to arrive.

Pa Greer
Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 12:45 pm

“Carbon” is how the CAGW crowd shortens their reference to CO2. So, yes, a single element. I don’t think Gary misspoke. They don’t call it carbon dioxide trading; they call it carbon trading. They say they want us to be “carbon-free”, not “carbon dioxide-free”. It’s a little thing but speaks to how easily, if they win the “debate” in the minds of all, they could expand that into control of other compounds with carbon in them.

Reply to  Pa Greer
March 4, 2016 1:29 pm

Pa Greer: I agree. Their intent has been to equate ‘Carbon’ with fossil fuels, so it is not semantically incorrect to refer to this as a ‘one element pony’

Trebla
Reply to  Pa Greer
March 4, 2016 1:39 pm

Carbon trading, carbon footprint, carbon pollution, carbon budget, when do you want me to stop? I majored in Chemistry. Carbon is an element.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Pa Greer
March 4, 2016 3:51 pm

Most excellently represented by the recent packaging of refined sugar as “carbon free.”
You cannot make this stuff up.

emsnews
Reply to  Pa Greer
March 5, 2016 3:51 am

Is that sugar replacing carbon with silicone? Good lord. HAHAHA.

Ens Josh
Reply to  Pa Greer
March 5, 2016 9:18 am

@emsnews
Did you mean silicon? Silicone is something completely different.

oeman50
Reply to  Pa Greer
March 5, 2016 1:40 pm

I think they use the term “carbon” because everyone knows that black soot is mostly carbon and they want to promote the idea that CO2 is “dirty.” Whey else would they publish pictures with steam coming from a power plant stack at an angle that makes it appear ominously black?

Reply to  oeman50
March 5, 2016 4:00 pm

Cleanliness is next to godliness.
Dirty is bad.
Carbon is dirty.
Only someone with low moral character would chose a dirty option over a clean one.

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 12:47 pm

It was my impression that The Movement (tissues on the wall…) had moved on from CO2 to deamonizing “Carbon Pollution” and “Carbon fuels” with “Carbon Credits” a “Carbon tax” and “Carbon Capture and sequestration”. That looks like one element to me.
After all, they say nothing about dihydrogen oxide, so it can’t be the oxygen…

Reply to  E.M.Smith
March 4, 2016 2:44 pm

We need to ban DHMO!

billw1984
Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 3:56 pm

Hmmm. Well there are the MILLIONS of environmental activists and politicians that throw around the term Carbon instead of saying CO2. Carbon is an element, last time I looked. Last time I taught General Chemistry too, which was this week. Same idiots that wanted to ban the element Chlorine a few years ago.

Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 5:32 pm

Well they did change the compound to ‘Carbon’, probably because it is such a messy, obvious thing, better optics than invisible carbon dioxide that is greening the planet.

Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 6:16 pm

Actually, carbon has become the demonized element. Initially this was a simplified way to refer to both carbon dioxide and methane, but given the need to dumb-down the discussion, the alarmists themselves promoted carbon as evil.
The reference to “one chemical element” is an ironic reference to the complaint by skeptics that alarmists avoid discussing the science.
I assume that you did not understand this point because you do not follow the skeptical side of the discussion and I invite you to do so.
My own perspective is from Quaternary studies especially climate change during the Holocene. My adviser, who was and may still be a member of INQUA, claimed that the null hypothesis for the modern warm period is that the warming represents recovery from the Little Ice Age.
in my opinion, climate does fluctuate over decades and centuries, and greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide and methane do have some impact. However, water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas and the most plausible factor in climate variability, both for cooling and warming.
The role of cloud formation and variability in albedo is not nearly well enough defined to enable climatologists to assert that natural factors do not explain both warming and cooling episodes during the mid to late Holocene, including our own warming period. Yet this denial on the part of alarmists of the role of natural factors in climate change is a pillar of belief in catastrophic AGW. Basically, it is argumentum ad ignorantiam, an argument based on ignorance about how the climate system works.
in science, admitting ignorance is the first essential step to knowledge. In developing public policy, ignorance should lead us to proceed with caution. in the spirit of Hippocrates, our precautionary principle should be, “Do no harm”. I interpret that to mean, “Don’t wreck our civilization by attacking its principle foundation: cheap energy”.

emsnews
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
March 5, 2016 3:54 am

What is particularly horrible is, the 02 part of C02 us what we breath thanks to plant life on this planet!! Even more horrible is, the sequestered C atoms is what makes us physical entities, that is, all plants and animals use this Carbon element to exist. This is why many creatures eat these plants that use the C to grow and give us oxygen in return since they don’t need oxygen.

Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
March 5, 2016 11:54 am

You really just said that plants don’t need oxygen? Of course they do! They must have it to live, to photosynthesise, to grow. They also produce it, and respire it, along with CO2.

Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
March 6, 2016 2:02 pm

+1

Reply to  evcricket
March 4, 2016 10:57 pm

So funny when someone posts a rant about something being wrong, and it turns out it wasn’t.
Embarrassing.

Reply to  Mark
March 5, 2016 4:20 am

Enjoying your comments Mark lol

vram
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 12:56 am

[Obviously, Gary misspoke and used the word “element” instead of “compound”. So Doug, do you have a point while glossing over all the other things while sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting la la la la la? – mod]
So what – every compound of molecules built around bad “C” atoms for the green belivers is just – an Element of Crime.

Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 1:09 am

I myself find myself wanting to say “carbon” when I actually mean carbon dioxide. I cannot imagine where I could have picked that habit up if not from a million press releases, speeches , articles etc telling us we were all going to die.

Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 2:16 am

Huh? They endlessly babble on about “Carbon”

co2islife
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 4:19 am

One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you.

I love how Progressives/Liberals form their arguments. They always attack spelling, grammar and sentence structure, and avoid the topic at hand. It is clear that most of their backgrounds are in literature, journalism or some other liberal arts, because they always seem to avoid the math and science issues.

Reply to  co2islife
March 5, 2016 8:37 am

Petty attacks are common to both sides of the fence. Wear an inappropriate shirt to the conservative club or have an accent that is not upper crust and watch the pettiness take form. It’s a common schoolyard technique.

Alx
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 7:17 am

“You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about…”
And you have nothing to contribute.
Carbon forms the key component for life on Earth, so as a carbon based life form pat yourself on the back and go eat a cookie while other carbon based life forms continue to address the myriad of issues with the science and politics of climate science.

observa
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 9:15 am

Yes they never called their colourless, odourless plant fertilizer ‘oxygen pollution’ and always depicted their preferred ‘carbon pollution’ as steam coming out of power station chimneys, so the pedantry now is all the more laughable.

Tim
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 10:45 am

Mod, actually it is Doug who misspoke and Gary is right. Nobody talks about “carbon dioxide pollution”. They only talk about “carbon pollution”. That is 1 element.

Mike Macray
Reply to  evcricket
March 5, 2016 12:43 pm

evecricket
One chemical element? You guys have literally no idea what you are talking about do you….
Au contraire! That one chemical element is Carbon. The study of that one element and its compounds is called ‘Organic Chemistry’. The study of all the other 91 elements plus the trans Uranics and their compounds is Inorganic Chemistry. Despite its current vilification, Carbon is the sine qua non of all known life forms, hence the word Organic, or living. No life form has yet been observed in any of the Inorganic elements or their compounds.
Pause for thought eh?

Reply to  Mike Macray
March 6, 2016 2:47 pm

Well said Mike Macray: I am waiting for the day that the climateers say they want to ban CARBON. Then we ask them what the chemical formula is for cotton, wool, acrylics, polycarbonates, plastics, modern synthetic fibres (wood and fossil fuels); and then ask what asphalt is made of, bicycle tires, car tires, ad infinitum; and then ask how cement and steel are made; and how do you cut and manufacture carbon based products like trees say, without using a carbon based material or source of energy, including bio-fuels? We have a carbon cycle not unlike the “water cycle”. Dust to dust.
Carbon is the fourth most abundant element in the Universe according to NASA.
Maybe there is a silicon based life form out there, but it seems that there is a lot of Carbon, RNA, water, ice, and other interesting elements out in the Universe.
The NASA article on the Carbon Cycle isn’t too bad other than the “alarmist” message. However, they clearly show we are near the top of a warming cycle.
They also say we are 30,000 years from the onset of the next ice age.
When will the cooling start? 10 years or 10,000 years? Not really an issue as looking at a geological time frame most of us won’t be around when it gets nasty cold and those that are will adapt. The “Climate Refugees” may all be going south as it happens.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/
(The bias in this 2011 article is interesting – nicely nuanced propaganda.)

Ramspace
Reply to  evcricket
March 7, 2016 7:59 am

Actually, “element” fits rather well these days. Here in Canada we are facing a national tax on “carbon.” Of course Trudeau means “carbon dioxide,” just as Obama does, but they prefer the elemental term–it sounds so much more . . . dirty.

Rick
March 4, 2016 11:59 am

And yet the world pursues madness.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Rick
March 4, 2016 1:21 pm

Liberalism, as the term is currently used, IS madness. It involves the abandonment of science, norms, morals, laws, rules, reason, logic, and standards, in favor of the self-will of the putative “liberal” and his fellow spittle-spewing “free-thinkers.”

brians356
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 4, 2016 2:52 pm

“Liberalism is a mental disorder.” Michael Savage

benofhouston
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 4, 2016 3:27 pm

No, a few extremists use liberalism to madness. Let’s not confuse the actions of a few extremists with the philosophy as a whole.

BrianBL
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 4, 2016 3:40 pm

Classical liberals have been replaced by Progressives which are Socialists/Communists in all but name. Classical liberals were all about personal freedom. Now they’re all about statism.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 4, 2016 5:36 pm

“Liberal” originally meant “generous”. It is fine, as long as you are generous with your own money. It is when one start being generous with MY money that I start to steam. And it is when one is generous with my money to people I think could use, and be better served by, a swift kick in the pants, that the steam starts to whistle.
I don’t recommend this, but the best test (of how Liberal a person is) is to yourself be down and out. All the fair-weather-friends flee. Funny thing is: they were so, so LIBERAL, when you were buying the beers.
I thank God for the real Liberals, who are scarce as hen’s teeth, and almost never advertise how truly Liberal they are, (and who, at times, are Liberal not with money, but with tough love.)

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 4, 2016 6:24 pm

“Liberalism” as used in the USA to mean something entirely different from its use elsewhere in the English-speaking world. “Conservatism” also seems to mean something different.
Neither of these terms means the same in European languages as in English of any dialect.

Bryan
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 5, 2016 2:39 am

BrianBL says
“Socialists/Communists in all but name. ”
Yes I never did trust Margaret Thatcher or G W Bush….
or perhaps BrianBL is a ‘pinko’ himself

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 5, 2016 5:07 am

‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

This is how the terms “liberal,” “socialist,” and “communist” have come to be used. It has become totally pointless to argue about their meaning. That’s a sad state of affairs, of course.

Goldrider
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 5, 2016 6:25 am

Kind of like kindergarteners who’ve never been housebroken, seems to me.

observa
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 5, 2016 9:47 am

BrianBL says- Classical liberals have been replaced by Progressives..
Wash your mouth out. Progressive is a euphemism for the Eternally Restless and its associated Attention Deficit Disorder malaise. These sufferers are never happy with themselves and their situation which is understandable under the circumstances. If we’re not all to suffer externalities from their affliction then strong medication to allay their symptoms is the only answer until we discover a cure.

Roy
March 4, 2016 12:10 pm

Awesome post: bookmarked for future reference. Thanks!

March 4, 2016 12:10 pm

we end on this note with …, slutty potboiler novelist, … Rajenda Pachauri, …

IMHO, you’re not going to generate much outrage over Pachauri’s novel among a population which believe Miley Cyrus is an artist.

Steve Thatcher
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
March 4, 2016 2:28 pm

IMHO, you’re not going to generate much outrage over Pachauri’s novel among a population which believe Miley Cyrus is an artist.
*********************************************************************************************************
Never heard of him, what’s he painted?
SteveT 🙂

Janice Moore
Reply to  Steve Thatcher
March 4, 2016 2:37 pm

LOL.

commieBob
March 4, 2016 12:12 pm

Even Michael Mann endorses the pause.

Don B
March 4, 2016 12:15 pm

Out west, Oregon has not gotten the message.
“The US state of Oregon has become the first to vote for a complete ban on coal-generated power. By 2035, at the latest, the state’s utility companies must ensure none of the electricity they provide comes from coal.
“And, by 2040, at least half of the state’s energy must come from renewable resources, under the Clean Energy and Coal Transition Act, voted into law by the country’s legislature yesterday.”
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2079541-oregon-becomes-the-first-us-state-to-vote-to-go-coal-free/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2016-GLOBAL-hoot

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 12:40 pm

And by 2042 my youngest daughter, who is brutally ruthless when it comes to money, will be buying up large tracts of Oregon at pennies on the dollar, and evicting the hippies, ex-hippies, and next generation of wannabe hippies

Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 12:42 pm

Thats what happens when you legalize pot and the legislature gets stoned. Bet they change their minds after the lights go out.

emsnews
Reply to  ristvan
March 5, 2016 3:57 am

They won’t notice. 🙂

Bryan A
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 12:44 pm

Easy enough…Just sever ALL transmission lines entering the State that are connected to the Grid which IS tied into Coal

mrmethane
Reply to  Bryan A
March 4, 2016 1:48 pm

BPA, as in Bonneville Power Authority – hydro, huge, non fossil….

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Bryan A
March 4, 2016 7:20 pm

Activists don’t like hydro either. It hurts the fishies.

yarpos
Reply to  Bryan A
March 4, 2016 8:49 pm

Tasmania, Australia mainly hydro powered, currently running out of water a) because they exported to much power to maximise profit and used too much water b) environmental activists stopped them building required dam capacity decades ago. So up until recently they had slowed hydro usage and imported power from brown coal burning Victoria. Now the undersea cable is kaput and will take months to localise and repair, with flow on resurrection of a mothballed gas turbine generator and importation of mega diesel generators to supplement the grid. You cant make this stuff up. The environmentalists would still fluff themselves up and say what a great job done.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Bryan A
March 5, 2016 4:45 am

response to YARPOS
you forgot to mention they forced the draining of Lake pedder..woulda been a backup for times like now
gee thank bob brown n buddies.
idiots.

Resourceguy
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 12:59 pm

Before people get the wrong impression of Oregon, we need to remind that they enjoy an overabundance of hydro power that was paid for by Federal development funding. They are also emboldened in other policy formation by a tailwind of in-migration that other states don’t have. The no-growth population of VT for example is not in a position for many experiments, especially like the failed single payer health plan that blew up in their collective faces.

Reply to  Resourceguy
March 4, 2016 6:43 pm

Northeastern states need not worry. Québec is promoting increased export of electricity above the approximately 32,000 GWh the province exports to the northeastern US.
http://www.hydroquebec.com/sustainable-development/energy-environment/export-markets.html

brians356
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 3:00 pm

It’s even more ironic than you think. The Pacific NW has been awash (no pun) with cheap electricity for nearly 100 years from hydroelectric dams on a river which flows right through Oregon’s largest metro area. Yet abundant, cheap, clean, “carbon free” [sic] hydroelectric power ain’t considered “renewable” and won’t count as such under the CECTA!

Reply to  brians356
March 4, 2016 5:40 pm

And some environmentalists don’t like the dams. They want to “free” the rivers.

Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 3:50 pm

They will just increase the amount of wood they burn. Move on from wood scrap, bark, chips and over to wood pellets etc.

NW sage
Reply to  usurbrain
March 4, 2016 4:46 pm

Can’t burn because of temp inversions and resulting air pollution (not CO2). Wood stoves must be licensed, tested and certified – and as a result are $4-5,000 each.

Reply to  usurbrain
March 5, 2016 8:36 am

and NW sage…homeowners insurance for HUD loans actively discourage use of wood for heat. They don’t even like it if you have a fireplace in your home at all unless it operates with Natural gas or LPG.

Reply to  usurbrain
March 5, 2016 4:54 pm

NW Sage fossilsage, Then how does Kettle Falls WA get away with burning wood for their electric power plant? Visited a friend their several time in the last few years and you could clearly smell; the wood burning. When I asked my friend about the obvious fact they were burning wood as we drove by the plant (as I too had the impression burning wood was a no-no) he claimed that it was just one of many around WA – “It is CO2 neutral, thus the love it.”

Reply to  usurbrain
March 6, 2016 4:07 pm

usurbrain: remember all those old bee hive wood waste burning facilities you used to see around sawmills and log processing operations? The forestry companies figured out co-generatiion and power generation from wood waste decade ago. Kettle Falls used to have some of the biggest bee hive waste burners I ever remember seeing. Now they generate power and scrub the flue gas. Much improved from what it used to be like. You could see the flames from the burners for miles back in the 50’s and 60’s. Now you see steam.
If I recall, there were some interesting weather stations at Kettle Falls. There is one about 2 km south of the power plant on Lion Island next to the Columbia River. It is an Agri-Met site. There used to be a station closer to the plant if I recall but I can’t seem to find it now (not on NOAA list). It gets very hot there in summer – over 100 F – but lots of forestry in the surrounding mountains.
The power plant is at the Boise Cascade mill and has been operating since 1983.
https://www.avistautilities.com/inside/resources/kettlefalls/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.usbr.gov/pn/agrimet/agrimetmap/kflwda.html
This is the station that appears to be used in local forecasts presumably verified by NOAA stations nearby such as at Colville.
Interesting aside, but I believe a couple of the old discontinued stations are at the bottom of the Columbia River as a result of the building of the Grand Coulee Dam (Ferry and Marcus). I think GC is the largest hydro-electric power producer in the US.

dp
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 10:20 pm

There won’t be a data center left in the state if they take the more studly position of removing all fossil fuel generation. As crazy as Oregon is even they know this is not on the radar. It isn’t a major decision to stop using coal – it is suicide to stop using fossil fuel and they know it.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Don B
March 4, 2016 10:41 pm

I live in Portland, Oregon. We don’t have just one set of loonies here we have several. They compete for office. Out with the old loony in with the new loony.
Once there was a huge campaign to save the trees so paper bags in supermarkets were banned. They went to plastic. We had that for a while till a new set of loonies took office. PLASTIC BAGS ARE CARBON BASED AND DON’T DISINTEGRATE! They banned plastic and we went back to paper bags. There is a group that wants to ban both and only allow customer owned reusable bags. The supermarkets would no longer provide bags.
Portland now has an “art tax” — the people taxed to support government approved art. The most famous (infamous?) piece of art in Portland is called “Portlandia”, the second largest copper hammered statue in the US. Its of a woman in classical dress kneeling, trident in one hand and the other hand reaching down towards the street below. It is a couple stories up on a building on a street lined on both sides with other tall buildings. Below the statue are some tall street trees. So you walk across to the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street (forty five feet?) and look up and all you see are treetops. The statue is totally invisible from street level. Even if the trees were cut down (Heaven forbid! This is Portland!) the upward slant of viewing would make the statue unappreciable. Several offices in buildings across from it must have a nice view of it, I admit. That statue is 30 years old and Portland has left classical behind. Our brave new art world is gearing up. I have no doubt windmill art is in our future.
Portland is the place where the city built a huge wall of solar panels — fixed in direction — that happen to face almost angled away from the sun’s path. It was best use of the land space to cram the most solar panels in. That they don’t face the sun was, obviously, not important.
Portland is the place of light rail (the crown jewel of the environmentalists) and a bus system run by the same agency. The buses make money. The light rail loses it in great gobs. Every year there is a budget shortfall and they cut more money making bus lines. That’s called liberal finance.
Portland has a great public library system. It use to be financed by the city. City runs short of money so what do they do? Cut any of their wingding programs? No, this is Portland. They look at Portland’s beloved library and realize that if they drop the library system from the budget they can keep all their wingding programs. So they declare that the library system will no longer be funded by the city but every three years a special levy will be placed on the ballot to fund the library system. Vote Yes and keep your library. Vote No and the libraries close. In a strange way you have to admire such underhandedness. They kept all their wingding programs and found a way to raise everybody’s taxes without seeming to do it themselves — after all, none of the levy goes into the city budget, all directly to the library.
Eugene WR Gallun

James Francisco
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
March 5, 2016 9:33 am

Eugene. You should get out of there before your property is worthless.

Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
March 6, 2016 4:23 pm

Thanks for the Eugene. Very good note.
On the paper versus paper versus reusable cloth bags – there has just been health warning out on the use of reusable cloth bags as if you don’t wash them every time you use them, they are wonderful breeding facilities for bacteria:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Reusable-Grocery-Bags-May-Present-Health-Risk-Study-Says-208978051.html
We are doomed I tell you, doomed! 😉
I used to line my garbage pails with paper bags from the supermarket. With plastic bags, they become the small garbage pail liners and I only buy the large bags. Banning of plastic bags from grocery stores just means the grocery stores will sell more plastic bags of that size for lining garbage pails. No change to the land fill issue.
The real issue is people who litter, whether it is plastic, paper or cloth.
(Oh yeah – you aren’t alone – Calgary Alberta has an art tax also – 1% of capital construction costs to go to “art”.)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/mayor-calls-470k-blue-ring-billed-as-public-art-awful-1.1930104
Copied your note. It has some good points.

Mike
March 4, 2016 12:19 pm

…But we still have a President and Secretary of State in the U.S. who doggedly pursue the idea that AGW is going to destroy our world in less than another generation. And Google has their unrelenting climate change headlines and stories in their Google News section. Then we have presidential hopefuls, one of whom might indeed be elected, and they mention time and time again that human-caused global warming will be on the top of their agenda if the voters put them in charge.

Reply to  Mike
March 4, 2016 2:50 pm

True. But, Obama and Kerry will be gone in January, and Hillary is like to be indicted before the convention. Evidence: 1. Her server had emails that are born classified by executive order. No secret stamp necessary. Clear criminal violations on knew or should have known grounds. 2. 3 Justice insiders told Fox News Comey has expanded the FBI investigation from national security law violations to political corruption (State under Hillary, foreign entities, and Clinton Foundation transactions). That only makes sense if the FBI has accessed private emails because the server was not wiped. 3. Bloomberg reported that another Justice insider confirmed the FBI has accessed at least some of the private emails. 4. WaPo reported yesterday that the guy who set up and ran her system, who previously pled the 5th, has been granted immunity. That only happens if there are probable crimes, and the ‘immunized’ little fish lead to catching the criminal big fish. 5. A former federal prosecutor who knows Comey well has said on national TV that Comey is a straight arrow. If his FBI finds wrongdoing, and there is political influence to suppress it, he will resign and go public with the reasons. Shades of the Watergate Saturday Night Massacre.
I laid in an extra supply of popcorn already.

brians356
Reply to  ristvan
March 4, 2016 3:02 pm

I’ll wager you $1000 the Attorney General will not indict Billary.

NW sage
Reply to  ristvan
March 4, 2016 5:05 pm

“… extra supply of popcorn already.” I’ve got the butter – someone bring salt.!

Mike
Reply to  ristvan
March 4, 2016 5:20 pm

Having worked for the government with a TS Clearance and knowing the rules in and out, as everyone is briefed again and again, every single year, about handling “sensitive”, “secret” and “top secret” communication…thiis one is just stupid. You can classify things after the fact…because they can be a bread crumb trail from something newly discovered with new intelligence or fill in something that was missing.
But that is NOT what my post was about. It was on-topic about the possibility of having another AGW president who drank the Climate change Koolaid.based upon bad science. I am not into the politics of Cllinton emails and the very, very incompetent FBI, who I worked with for years.

Mike
Reply to  ristvan
March 4, 2016 5:46 pm

…,and for anyone who wants to know how to classify something that was previously unclassified….when I worked at Loral in the 1980s, we were creating downlink telemetry data computers and monitoring sensors, and other data from aircraft and satellites. Boeing sent us these big binders with specifications in them for all the things we were monitoring. I worked with about 50 engineers that all had the same binder with the same specifications and parameters we were supposed to monitor.
One day, guys in black suits showed up and made us take all the binders to the central conference room.
We had possession of that information for almost a year.
The men were in the conference room with razor knives and rulers and literally cut-out words on MANY pages and were doing it for hours and hours until the end of the day. Then they gave us the binders back…with some pages that looked like swiss cheese.
What they cut out (rather than just black-out or exchange the binders, where we already had scribbled technical notes on many pages) the emn cut out words which could identify a certain black box and data coming from the B1 bomber. Most of us didn’t have any security clearances because our job was to collect data from fast flying objects…we didn’t care what the data was.
So, since we all knew what the words were that they removed. Does that mean I could get indicted for knowing classified information about a system that they now deemed secret. Duh. Same for Clinton.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  ristvan
March 4, 2016 11:07 pm

Mike,
A lot of the documents sent were already classified secret. And Hillary is on record telling people to remove the classified heading and then send them. And the content of a lot of the emails was classified info lifted from classified documents.
So if a spy just copies out classified information from a classified document and sends it to China he is not guilty of anything because he didn’t send the original classified document but just its important classified content? Duh!
Eugene WR Gallun

Reply to  ristvan
March 6, 2016 4:36 pm

ristivan: I hope you are right but to me it looks more and more likely Putin will be telling a woman President of the US which places she should or should not travel to or interfere with. Obama will pardon Hillary or Hillary will pardon Hillary. I don’t think the DOJ and FBI will stand up to the Dem Oligarchy and the Repubs are too busy self destructing to matter.
Mike below has it right.
Almost depressing. Time to put a log on the fire and go get some fresh air.

nc
Reply to  Mike
March 4, 2016 5:57 pm

Google has always amazed me with their climate change headlines also. Does Google know how to google?

Mike
Reply to  Mike
March 5, 2016 11:08 pm

Wow. Like I said. I know the procedures and worked as a TS clearnace person. I doubt that people who went off-topic on my post have any understanding of how classified docs work.
Geez and double “Duh”

March 4, 2016 12:22 pm

The Guardian And SkS still peddle their wares to the gullible and fearful.
It’s not over yet.

A C Osborn
Reply to  M Courtney
March 4, 2016 12:34 pm

But some of the MSM are starting to ask awkward questions.
There is The Times that was posted earlier and this really condemning one by the Washington Times
http://www.thegwpf.com/editorial-the-doctored-science-of-global-warming/
As well as the UK Mail & the Telegraph etc.

Reply to  A C Osborn
March 4, 2016 1:56 pm

Reading the Washington Times article:
It says that engine room cooling water intake temperatures as recorded can be warmer than the real temperature due to the ship warming the water.
I can say that this is BS.
If the vessel is moving at 10 kts; and if the temperature is taken at the engine cooling water intake just a foot or so inside the shell plating, the temperature recorded is that of the sea outside.
However how that thermometer is calibrated and whether the depth under the sea surface of the intake is taken into account when these readings are used scientifically is a totally different question.
FYI I served as a deck officer on several Weather Recording Ships during the 1960s and know how the system worked, including where the warts were.

rokshox
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 4, 2016 2:10 pm

Oldseadog: Are the temperature sensors actually placed close to the shell plating as opposed to, say, near the actual engine? I just can’t see an engineer saying “Let’s run this critical engine monitoring sensor away from the engine and put it over there, 20 feet away, through a special one-off conduit.”

RWTurner
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 4, 2016 2:20 pm

Oldseadog, the warm bias from water intake is real and well documented.

Janice Moore
Reply to  A C Osborn
March 4, 2016 2:43 pm

Go, get ’em, Ol’ Seadog with your real world observations.
Rox — You don’t know many engineers, do you. MOST of them are sticklers for accurate data and excellence. They are not known for their slovenly, lackadaisal, approach to ANYTHING.
RWTurner, really. Then provide some (documentation). And Karl, et. al. or any of that ilk’s conclusions will NOT fly, here.

Reply to  A C Osborn
March 6, 2016 8:04 pm

Janice: As an engineer that has put lots of temperature and pressure gauges into systems, I would have thought the location of the temperature gauges would depend on their purpose. OSD can comment, but in my line of work, I put through wall sensors in a number of places where I was wanting to measure what was on the other side whether it be pipes or reservoirs. Through hull sensors are unnecessary but it makes me curious.
I do have a question for OSD – are the temperature sensors on the sea water intakes designed to measure the sea temperature or to measure pre cooling and post cooling circulation to determine the effectiveness of the heat exchangers? Are they purpose built for one or the other and does it affect where the sensors are placed?
I have a water to water heat exchanger in my mechanical room fed by two wells. In the winter it produces both in floor heating for my house and shop as well as domestic hot water. I have 18 thermometers and 5 pressure gauges as I monitor different loops, production and waste water to my fish pond and different parts of the systems run at different pressures. (and I have some remote temperature monitoring as well so 25 + temperature measurements that let me optimize where I want heat and to make sure everything is working even when I am away from the farm (Internet). It seems like a lot, but it isn’t if you want to have preventative maintenance and optimization of the systems (inexpensive and interesting).
OSD can comment, but having also done water temperature monitoring in my work, I would have thought if there were two purposes (measuring sea water temperature and engine intake temperature) there would have been two gauges (well lots more than that depending on the ship size and design as there are other things to measure) and thermowells are relatively inexpensive. Maybe not required, but when not using purpose built monitoring, then there must be some kind of calibration adjustment.
Or there is always the tried and true method of putting one’s hand on the intake and outlet to determine it anything is happening. 😉
OSD or others can clear things up for me I am sure.
http://www.brighthubengineering.com/marine-engines-machinery/41043-procedure-of-sw-pump-sea-chest-cleaning/
http://marinediesels.info/Basics/cooling_the_engine.htm

Phil Brisley.
Reply to  M Courtney
March 4, 2016 2:38 pm

It will never be over, the hominid imagination is too influential.
The alarmists have a good narrative, it’s not about reality, it’s about saving the world, comparable to the Christian narrative, where the characters, as they are presented in the Bible, are fictions, and represent the divine on earth. Metaphor is significant in a symbolic relationship.
This debate has legs.

Dave in Canmore
Reply to  M Courtney
March 5, 2016 9:04 am

And the CBC is doing a fine propaganda job as evidenced by the folly that is our current Canadian government.

Ack
March 4, 2016 12:26 pm

“Middle east drought worst in 900 years”, they have a lot of (hot) air yet.

Bob Burban
Reply to  Ack
March 4, 2016 2:02 pm

Oh no, they’ve been deserted by Mother Nature …

March 4, 2016 12:35 pm

http://www.coolsiteoftheday.com/bill-gates-talks-climate-change-via-rap-video/
I’ll know the end is near when the Ponzi style big money moves onto the next thing.

Follow the Money
Reply to  knutesea
March 4, 2016 12:59 pm

Most peeps here think it is the loud “greenies” that are controlling this game. Tell them it’s good ol’ capitalism actually, they go nuts–or just cannot see it.
Al Gore is still at Kleiner Perkins so that means there is enough money to be made on the state/province offset trading scams. Then there is the possibility the EPA rams through trading as a “regulation” for the outgoing administration to reap back end payoffs in 2017.
So, they haven’t moved. And no new “Q” dollar inflation scam is in sight either.

Reply to  Follow the Money
March 4, 2016 6:24 pm

Green capitalist is NOT a conflicting phrase.
And yes, I don’t see the juice being squeezed out of CAGW fruit just yet. I do however see a separation of paths. A splintering if you will.
It will become sexy to be cagw skeptical pretty soon … esp if the GOP gets elected. Defectors making sure those pictures of them in Paris are wiped off the internet.
Alt energy will stay sexy for much longer because it’s got a cooler vibe attached. They’ll be alot of “yeah, CAGW was BS and we kind of knew it but clean air, water and independence from the man is where it’s at … we went along with the alarmists because they had their hearts in the right place. Now that they have been shown to be fraudulent shouldn’t distract from this really cool solar roof that you can have installed with your NEW microhome. If you buy now well throw in a new model electric car”.
The splintering will create money making opportunities and the people will be occupied fighting over whatever new direction the money goes.
It just seems natural. CAGW was the wedge issue that shifted the stasis on fossil fuels.

March 4, 2016 12:39 pm

Thanks. Book marked. Many of the observations also make good political sound bites.
The famous Munch painting The Scream captures warmunist angst, but it is still an open question whether this all ends with a bang or a whimper. UK’s failing electricity situation might provide Oregon a ‘bangish’ object lesson. Resumption of pause next year definitely would be bangish. Congress finding the Karl whistleblowers were right, very bangish. Cooling starts and MSM goes back to 70’s ice age worries, big bangish. Tulip bulb mania bangish.
But it is more likely it all just whimpers away. Too many global warming careers and other vested interests.

Bubba Cow
Reply to  ristvan
March 5, 2016 12:25 pm
March 4, 2016 12:39 pm

Is dude in the mock banner Gavin uttering, “A miracle just happened!”? lol
Andrew

Janice Moore
Reply to  Bad Andrew
March 4, 2016 1:23 pm

lol — maybe…. and maybe just wailing, “Ooohhh, noooooooooooo!”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 1:26 pm

Portrait of Climate “Scientist” taken from photo taken upon his reading Anthony Watts’ analysis of USHCN surface temperature stations (and put into a time machine and taken back to Edvard Munch). lolololol

March 4, 2016 12:45 pm

Reblogged this on The Arts Mechanical and commented:
It looks like reality is catching up with climate activism. Or the powers that be no longer need the shills. In any case the noisemakers are dying away, one by one.

Editor
March 4, 2016 12:47 pm

Joe Romm isn’t gone. ThinkProgress simply consolidated the ClimateProgress blog. Romm still publishes blog posts at ThinkProgress-Climate.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
March 4, 2016 12:50 pm

Yes but I think he was referring the the “Climate Progress identity” which is in fact gone from its former setup.

RWTurner
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
March 4, 2016 2:22 pm

ThinkProgress, isn’t that like a tree falling in the woods with no one around?

Tom Halla
March 4, 2016 12:50 pm

NB–Lamar Smith is in the House, not Senate.

Reply to  Tom Halla
March 4, 2016 1:01 pm

Fixed, thanks

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Anthony Watts
March 4, 2016 4:47 pm

Anthony,
In the second line you have “Gray” instead of Gary.

Climate Heretic
March 4, 2016 12:56 pm

Inch by inch, row by row, I’m gonna kill this climate change. All it takes is a WUWT et al and exemplary science. Inch by inch, row by row, someone bless these people now.
Regards
Climate Heretic
PS Apologies to Peter, Paul and Mary

RD
March 4, 2016 12:58 pm

I swear that guy looks like Wolfman Jack.

Resourceguy
March 4, 2016 1:14 pm

Long whimper is exactly how I see it. Also, the part about the “last orders in a losing war” is also most relevant for students of history and its details. It was the sad east European conscripts that were left to do the dirty work in the long retreat toward Berlin on the eastern front of WW2. Their hearts were not into it at any point. And the German youth squads were unleashed on other fronts but with limited skills and experience, other than indoctrination and fervor. History also tends to brush over the details of who profited from the losing wars, like the Swiss bankers and the neutral countries that had the least damage and least resolve.
.

commieBob
Reply to  Resourceguy
March 5, 2016 6:34 am

who profited from the losing wars, like … countries that had the least damage

I once heard the theory that the Brits would have been better off if Germany had done a better job of bombing them. The idea was that the Germans had to rebuild all their factories using the latest technology whereas the British were able to continue with their outdated factories.

Stonyground
Reply to  commieBob
March 5, 2016 9:38 am

When Triumph Motorcycles was taken over by John Bloor in the 1980s, they were still using some pre-WW2 machinery. This included a machine that had a casting that had been welded back together after being broken in half during the Coventry bombing. Of course the British motorcycle industry was a bit of a special case in that, after a short burst of innovation after the war, it very much stagnated.

Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 1:17 pm

Gary Pearse did not say that AGW forces had been completely eliminated, only that they are, and they are, in retreat, launching junk science duds from the extreme fringes of the battlefield, shrieking to be heard. Those who are posting examples here of AGWers feebly fighting on do not disprove Mr. Pearse’s nicely-expressed conclusion.
And, knute, take heart! Big money is leaving the wind turbine market…. Big Wind doesn’t get any bigger than it is in the Nordic lands:

Investors are pulling back from wind farms in Nordic nations as the lowest electricity prices in 12 years cut the profitability of new projects.
No wind farms were commissioned in Sweden in the second quarter, compared to 50 megawatts in the same period a year earlier, according to the nation’s wind association. Investment in utility-scale Nordic wind assets fell 76 percent to $1.2 billion in the three years through 2014, according to data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance. ..

(Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-04/wind-farm-investment-plunges-with-power-prices-in-nordic-region )
And in other lands, such as the U.K., Germany, and the U.S., tax subsidies are likely to disappear before long. For example,

The Government has confirmed it will end subsidies for onshore wind energy in April 2016, a year earlier than planned.

(Source: http://www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/onshore-wind-subsidies-to-end-from-april-2016-4623.aspx#.Vtn4wv32aM8 )
Follow –> the –> money. Money is looking down Windmill Lane and it does NOT like what it sees… so, it will go somewhere else. Money may not be pretty, but it is very careful:

… Thomas Wrangdahl, first vice-president and head of lending at the Nordic Investment Bank, said in a telephone interview. “We are seeing less investments in new power production in the market, particularly in the wind industry, … .”

D1e, windmills, d1e.
Back to AGW: it was always, ultimately, about money (and power, but that was dependent on money). Money is telling us, the game’s up. AGW is OVER.
#(:))
Certainly, the war is not yet over. WUWT must fight on until the Twisted Science Circus, featuring the Climate Clowns, is permanently marginalized. But, it is now a war of attrition, as Mr. Pearse eloquently described with his apt French phrase. And one of the MAJOR BLOWS to the AGW fortress-that-was: Anthony W@tts’ Surfacestations project. Way-to-go, men and women!!

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 3:06 pm

It’s also leaving Big Sun.

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 3:22 pm

The money, that is. Funny how people who are risking their own cash actually care if it’s recoupable.

Pierre DM
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 3:22 pm

The writing is on the wall, they are shameless and about to switch gears as if nothing happened. To What? They had it right the first time, climate change to global cooling with a blip caused by decreasing air pollution and an active sun. CO2 probably has more coincidence as a cooling gas than a warming gas in the data. They will switch back as if they had it right all along. The next generation through their public schools will buy it for a generation or so. Meanwhile they have no incentive to keep the older folks whom have seen this before, alive.

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 4, 2016 6:30 pm

Thanks Janice.
Your positivity should be bottled and sold. It’s very becoming.
Question … do you think the 5 year extension for alt energy boondoggles is an easily ended program ?
Do you think the American GOP authorized it because it’s a fight they didn’t want to pick in an election year ?
The move threw me for a loop. Since your a smart eye on the prize cookie it figure I’d ask your opinion.

Janice Moore
Reply to  knutesea
March 4, 2016 6:48 pm

Oh, Knute, aw… thank you! Your kindness should be bottled.
Answers (and my answers are not especially well-informed, btw):
1. Yes. It could end just as fast as a House bill can be passed and approved by the Senate that has a little line in it (i.e., an addendum on another, likely-to-pass, popular bill that both parties want, like a budget…): saying something like: “… and the aforedescribed “investments” by the Federal Gov’t. in X project and Y project shall end at midnight on December 31, 2016.”
2. Maybe. There may have been another, controlling issue that they wanted and compromised to get. I have no idea, for I have not been reading about this at all. Sorry. Sometimes, I just give myself a news-vacation for awhile — great for the soul! I doubt it, though, now that I’m thinking… Americans just do not care about junk like wind and solar or what-EVERrrrr enough for it to drive political choices based on electioneering. The GOP may have THOUGHT it would matter, though… so, (shrug). So, there’s your almost-not-there answer, lol.
YOU are an awfully cool man to do me the honor of asking my opinion. Thank you! I needed that this evening.
Janice

1oldnwise4me@reagan.com
March 4, 2016 1:17 pm

[snip – off topic comment from known K-troll -mod]

François Riverin
March 4, 2016 1:19 pm

Staying in science, could anyone tell me the most valuable study on IR co2 saturation band and its effect on climat, if any?

siamiam
Reply to  François Riverin
March 4, 2016 3:12 pm

Saturation.
Google Heinz Huig.

Reply to  siamiam
March 4, 2016 3:35 pm

The issue is rather more complicated than Heinz Hug’s experiment, which you can find here:
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm
However, at the top of the page, you’ll also see a link to a zip file which contains frank criticisms of Hug’s experiment that you can learn a lot from. There is no one definitive study upon which to rely.

Reply to  François Riverin
March 5, 2016 7:19 am

Yes there are many, IR and CO2 do not interact with earths planetary climate enough to have any noticable influence over other frequencies and gases or even ‘elements’ to have any influence.
Why else do you adjust data so much to fit a theory?

Rosarugosa
March 4, 2016 1:34 pm

Could Anthony please change the system so that the “comments” box is IMMEDIATELY BELOW the article in question, so that it appears, always at the top of the comments?
[Reply: This would be better posted in Tips & Notes. ~mod]

Editor
Reply to  Rosarugosa
March 4, 2016 9:28 pm

Tips & Notes discourages discussion.
I think the answer is that WordPress doesn’t do it that way.
Besides, doesn’t everyone read the comments before commenting to make sure someone hasn’t already made that comment? I hate duplicates.

Resourceguy
March 4, 2016 1:39 pm

Speaking of whimper, Peak Oil is also in run silent run deep mode with the armchair experts AWOL.

Tom Moran
March 4, 2016 1:40 pm

Rajendra Pachauri was also the former head of Yale Climate Change Boondoggle funded by Steyer? No?

Neo
March 4, 2016 1:45 pm

Unfortunately, the Climate Change meme goes a lot deeper than the handful of climate scientists named here.
All those consultants, who have been working at Freddie Mac, the CFPB, and the White House for the last 8 years, still need jobs in the “private sector”. And not just any jobs .. we are talking about mid to high 6 figure jobs where you only have to work a day or two a week, so you can help with the party apparatus.
And that doesn’t include all those other ISO9000, ISO14000, and other political consultants who were banking on cashing in on some of the $500 billion a year laid out in the Paris agreement.
You know … the folks who make up the “waste, fraud and abuse” that we hear about every so often.
Why would a lame duck President like Obama work so hard to get something .. anything out of Paris.
He wants his part of the “gravy train”.

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