Memo to our cousins at the American Physical Society: time to embrace reality

 

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

» Several members of the American Physical Society have contacted me to ask how they should respond to a tokenistic “consultation” by the Society’s “Panel on Public Affairs” about its proposed amendment to its existing daft “Statement on Climate Change”. They invited me to submit this to WattsUpWithThat for publication as a message to our American cousins. APS members, please send comments on the draft statement to APS before the May 6 deadline. Please copy them to Judith Curry’s website, Climate Etc., which has a thread devoted to the draft statement: http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/20/aps-discussion-thread/.

Climate change is now a political issue. It is not the business of the American Physical Society to take sides and make what amount to partisan political statements, particularly when the activists promoting the APS’ revised “statement on climate change” have taken care to restrict members to one comment each on the draft. That restriction, for which your rules do not provide, prevents the development of a proper debate between the nest of activists behind the statement and the membership as a whole.

Onlookers have begun to notice how willing climate skeptics are to debate, and how unwilling the profiteers of doom. Shutting off debate by limiting comments confirms the growing impression among impartial observers that those who profit from the climate story are now nakedly fearful and intellectually incapable of defending a scientific position that becomes less tenable month by month:

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Your note to APS members (which, incidentally, has not been sent to every member, as your rules require) does not even indicate that members who comment will get a reply. Again, the intention seems to be to stifle debate and keep control in the hands of a politically-correct gaggle of militants.

Worst of all, there will be no ballot of the membership on whether the statement in its final form should be promulgated as an APS statement. Your rules do not require a ballot but they do not forbid one either. It would be sensible if you were to give all members a free vote on the statement so that, for once, it will be reflect the scientific opinion not of a clique miscalling itself a consensus but of many.

Otherwise, the draft will not be a statement of or by or on behalf of the Society as a whole, and must not be presented as though it were. Instead, the document, if there is one, must state explicitly that your “APS statement” is the view of a single group of activists at the Society, and not a statement by the APS as a whole.

So to science. There is now a statable case that undue concern about our effect on the climate is misplaced. The original wild predictions on which that concern was built have proven much exaggerated. Even the IPCC has implicitly accepted this fact by substituting what it ambitiously describes as its “expert judgment” for the meaningless output of the computer models on which the excessive predictions of doom that originally fueled the climate scare were based. It has slashed its near-term projections of global warming by getting on for half, though your statement somehow fails to take note of this significant retreat:

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Furthermore, the economic literature is near-unanimous in concluding that the cost of attempted mitigation today outweighs that of focused adaptation the day after tomorrow, though, again, your statement is culpably silent on this fact:

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Accordingly, the American Physical Society runs the real risk of jeopardizing not only its own reputation but also the standing of science itself in the public mind if your activists’ superfluous, “me-too” climate statement eventually turns out to have been predicated far more on politics and peculation than on sound science and effective economics.

It would be preferable if the American Physical Society were either quietly to withdraw its current embarrassing statement without replacing it at all, or to scrap the present unacceptable redraft and replace it with the more sensible, more scientific and less politically prejudiced draft that now follows.

The new version corrects the many scientific errors in your draft, and takes a balanced position on the climate question, based not on politics nor on prejudice nor on profit but on evidence.

Climate change: risks and rewards, benefits and costs

Either: The following statement has not been voted on by the members of the American Physical Society. Accordingly, it may not represent their opinions.

Or: The following statement was approved by a two-thirds majority in a ballot of the members of the American Physical Society on [date of ballot].

Climate change is not new. The climate has been changing for millenia:

Line plots of global temperature during the last 5.3 million years

Above: Global temperature relative to peak Holocene temperature, based on ocean cores Source: Hansen, NASA GISS

Disruption has often resulted. It can be expected to continue to occur in future. Therefore, as even the IPCC concedes, it is not appropriate to attribute each individual extreme-weather event to manmade global warming. We call upon the scientific community and the news media to take a more balanced and responsible and less exploitative attitude to the aetiology of extreme-weather events in future.

It is not clear whether natural or anthropogenic forcings currently dominate. Of the abstracts of 11,944 climate-related papers published in the reviewed journals over the 21 years 1991-2011, only 41 (0.3%) were found to have stated explicitly that most warming since 1950 was manmade (Legates et al., 2013). This is not a “97% consensus” and we express our dismay at the attempts in some scientific journals and in much of the news media to suggest near-unanimity on a scientific question that very much remains open.

No survey of scientists in climate and related fields has ever asked more than a statistically-inadequate handful of climatologists whether they consider our influence on the weather potentially dangerous. What is clear is that, though the concentration of CO2 is growing at a rate consistent with the IPCC’s 1990 “business-as-usual” scenario A (Le Quéré et al., 2014), the IPCC’s then-predicted consequential short-run central rate of global warming in the quarter-century since 1990 has proven to be double the observed trend on the mean of the monthly anomalies in the three longest-standing terrestrial datasets with the two satellite lower-troposphere datasets. The models have failed.

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Near-term projections of global warming at a rate equivalent to 2.8 [1.9, 4.2] K/century, made with “substantial confidence” in IPCC (1990), for the 303 months January 1990 to March 2015 (orange region and red trend line), are all well above the observed anomalies (dark blue) and trend (bright blue) at less than 1.4 K/century equivalent, taken as the mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies.

One satellite dataset (RSS, 2015) shows no global warming for 18 years 4 months:

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The influence of each additional CO2 molecule is less than that of each of its predecessors (Myhre et al., 1998). Affordably-recoverable fossil-fuel reserves are finite and may be largely exhausted by the end of the century in any event.

Until then, no significant reductions in CO2 emissions are foreseeable because China, which now burns half the world’s coal and is its largest CO2 emitter, has been effectively exempted from any requirement to curb emissions:

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Furthermore, the mean atmospheric residence time of an individual CO2 molecule is 5-10 years. After allowing for biosphere exchanges, the mean persistence time of our added CO2 is 30-50 years, not the “thousands of years” your draft ludicrously suggests. The influence of our emissions will be short-lived once they cease, whether through regulation or through exhaustion.

Intergovernmental climate science has injected politics into the climate question in a manner often incompatible with independent scientific enquiry. The IPCC’s documents are not peer-reviewed: instead, the authors have – and use – the power to override the reviewers.

Worse, the IPCC has not always been honest. For instance, its persistence in insisting that the Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 20 years hence in the face of objections from its own reviewers is a case in point.

Also, the IPCC’s statistical manipulation of the global temperature data by a technique that enabled it falsely to maintain that the rate of global warming is accelerating (a technique that would just as falsely show a sine-wave as having a rising trend when the trend on a sine-wave is by definition zero) and its refusal to correct the resulting error in its Fourth Assessment Report upon a request from an expert reviewer that it should remove that now-discredited artifice demonstrate its self-serving and partisan intent and its panicky and now-flagrant disregard of the scientific method:

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We call upon the IPCC and all others who profit from magnifying global warming to cease and desist from the corruption of science.

The IPCC’s predictions have not been skillful. The underlying warming rate is small: the models did not predict the current near-stasis in global temperatures, and the oceans – ignoring the very poor resolution of the measurements – appear to be warming at a rate equivalent to only 0.2 Cº/century.

The ARGO network of bathythermograph buoys does not provide much comfort for those who have tried to maintain that the “missing heat” predicted by the failed models has gone into hiding in the oceans:

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An increasing body of reviewed research indicates that climate sensitivity is one-half to one-fifth of the IPCC’s estimates. On the evidence, there should be less climate research: other research fields in the physical sciences are suffering from the undue concentration of public funds on what now seems a non-problem:

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At present, therefore, there is no scientific and still less economic case for any policy that would in any way regulate or control emissions of greenhouse gases. Indeed, there are benefits as well as risks in rising CO2 concentration: CO2 fertilization, for instance. The climate is currently undergoing no change that would – whether or not the change is anthropogenic – take the world beyond natural variability:

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It is, in any event, not the role of scientific societies to make political recommendations. It is the APS’ role to be honest about science, not partisan about politics. To be honest, on the evidence now before us the certainty about the rightness of the IPCC’s profitably alarmist stance that the APS’ activists expressed in their previous statement on climate change was inappropriate.

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Timo Soren
April 20, 2015 9:59 am

“Gather your weapons, your men, your armor. It is time for war.”
Go to it.

Tucci78
April 20, 2015 10:01 am

Again, the intention seems to be to stifle debate and keep control in the hands of a politically-correct gaggle of militants.

One of the apocrypha circulating among my e-mail correspondents is the notion that “political correctness” is predicated on the notion that it’s possible to pick up a lump of dung by the clean end.

Reply to  Tucci78
April 20, 2015 12:42 pm

You should add at the end of that “without being soiled”.

p@ dolan
Reply to  Tucci78
April 20, 2015 6:34 pm

I have it on good authority that, polish as much as you like, a turd will not shine.
However, it IS possible to roll it in glitter….

Reply to  p@ dolan
April 21, 2015 10:05 am

Actually you *can* polish a turd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

April 20, 2015 10:04 am

I commented on one sentence from the APS: “In particular, the connection between rising concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases and the increased warming of the global climate system is more certain than ever.” I was surprised by this statement since global temperatures have been flat for the last 18 years, which is diverging more and more over time from the standard global warming predictions. How is it possible for the APS to say “more certain than ever”?

Editor
Reply to  johnaps
April 20, 2015 10:12 am

I assume they ignore the satellite and balloon records
.

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 20, 2015 11:05 am

Or “massage” the raw data till it looks like they have the outcome they want. There have been people systematically change old data set’s. I’m not surprised. It’s like the Pathagoreans when they suppressed the idea that the square root of 2 was irrational. Their whole world view would collapse if the average person learned of it. It lasted for 20 centuries through Plato & Aristotle’s philosophies. Not till Kepler threw off the mysticism did scientific research start up again. Those are Dr. Carl Sagans views from episode 7 of Cosmos’s Backbone of the Night” I see the same thing’s happening today. That’s why the alarmist are almost like a religion. Highly recommend that episode, if you can find it. Funny it doesn’t stay up very long on a site. That’s why I bought my own set.

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 20, 2015 12:26 pm

cosmos episode 7

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 20, 2015 12:53 pm

I have spent a good bit of time over the last 5 months watching the daily temps around the globe, plus past observations {avg high/low} using Intellicast. There has been no outstanding record high temps being set anywhere around the globe, but what I have noticed is that minimum temps in many places have been above average. This appears to be the reason why January through March has been the hottest ever on GISS and associated productions. Almost everywhere I look the upper temps are around the average trend, some slightly less and some slightly higher.

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 20, 2015 2:40 pm

Goldminer:
I have done the same thing for a number of Canadian locations from the 49th parallel to Eureka,Nunavut. Always similar results. It is getting less cold. I suspect increasing GHG s may do that. Or more likely, clouds. A number of sites show convergence. The highs are decreasing; the lows are less cold. Wouldn’t more cloudiness explain that?

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 20, 2015 9:31 pm

UHI is the reason

Hlaford
Reply to  johnaps
April 20, 2015 12:36 pm

Say you have no money at all and you can’t buy a chewing gum. 15 minutes later you have double the sum in your pocket and you are more certain than ever to be unable to buy that chewing gum. That’s how.

Reply to  Hlaford
April 20, 2015 12:56 pm

But what if you triple the sum in your pocket? Did you ever think of that, Hah.

Reply to  Hlaford
April 21, 2015 8:35 am

Goldminor,
If you triple it, you will still be unable to afford the gum, but now will also be unable to afford a set of brand new invisible clothes.

Reply to  Hlaford
April 21, 2015 12:11 pm

Menicholas…that’s bad news. I could have used the new clothes.

Reply to  johnaps
April 20, 2015 2:43 pm

Repetition, as proven by religion, works well on the preachers – not just the flock.

Reply to  johnaps
April 20, 2015 4:35 pm

The comment just shows the APS leadership do not know how to think as scientists.
There is no physically valid demonstration that the rising CO2 levels have caused the 20th century increase in air temperature.

Roger Clague
Reply to  johnaps
April 21, 2015 1:42 am

Using “warming of the global climate system” allows the the ocean ate it dodge.

Reply to  johnaps
April 21, 2015 5:23 am

“How is it possible for the APS to say ” more certain than ever”?”
Given the evidence, there can be no such increased certainty. Therefore this is a statement of opinion. In their opinion, it is more certain than ever.
And this is to generously grant that they actually believe what they say, rather than purposefully overstating the case.

skorrent1
Reply to  menicholas
April 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Isn’t that sort of like saying something is “more unique”?

Reply to  menicholas
April 21, 2015 6:07 pm

“Isn’t that sort of like saying something is “more unique”?”
Good point Skorrent.
Considering that they were cased-closed, settled science certain before, it is an odd statement at that.
But the warmistas have a knack for such things.
If I had a nickel for every time I read that “it” (whatever the it of the day happened to be) is going to be even worse than we thought… even though they had said before that “it” was going to be an absolutely unmitigated and unsurvivable disaster… well, I would have a big pile of nickels.

Reply to  johnaps
April 21, 2015 5:46 am

In South Florida this winter a daily record low was set. Then several weeks later a daily record high was set.
To me this just demonstrates how short “The Record” actually is.

Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 10:10 am

I’m a bit confused by this statement and the chart that accompanies it:
“Furthermore, the economic literature is near-unanimous in concluding that the cost of attempted mitigation today outweighs that of focused adaptation the day after tomorrow,…” What does “focused adaption the day after tomorrow” mean?
Also, the chart seems to indicate that global renewables don’t make as much money on the stock market as global oil and gas does. Does this mean that renewables are a bad way to go because they don’t make somebody as much money as gas and oil does?
I think I’m just misreading things though.

rbdwiggins
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 10:48 am

It means the private sector recognizes that renewables are not sustainable without the massive redistribution of public monies.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 20, 2015 1:51 pm

By definition then, needing a massive redistribution means is it an unsustainable option. Sustainability has a meaning. Can a windmill ever put out enough power to create and erect and maintain another windmill? If so, then they are sustainable. Until then, they obviously are not.

ferdberple
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 20, 2015 4:38 pm

we lose money on every windmill but make it up on the volume.

TYoke
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 20, 2015 8:30 pm

By and large, “renewable” technologies amount to false claims of having invented a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind.

MRW
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 21, 2015 12:58 am

Sustainability has a meaning. Can a windmill ever put out enough power to create and erect and maintain another windmill? If so, then they are sustainable. Until then, they obviously are not.

Smart.

kim
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 21, 2015 1:32 am

Smart windmills are sustainable. Most people learn that in school.
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RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  kim
April 21, 2015 3:39 am

kim

Smart windmills are sustainable. Most people learn that in school.

No, they are not. And people are “taught” many false things in “school” – and the closer to the CAGW religion the person believes and the higher the education level, the less of what they are taught is actually correct.
You need to build 6 wind turbines to generate the rated power of one, but those 6 wind turbines require 6x times the time, concrete, aluminum, copper, water and land area that one does. Over a wide region, such as the southeast US, the entire region can be “wind quiet” for many days at a time, thus you need 100% backup anyway for your 6 wind turbines from fossil fueled units. Worse, the regions where wind is stronger, it is very turbulent, and the power from the wind turbines goes up and down minute-by-minute. Which destroys grid reliability and the units “chasing” the ups and down.
A small, singular windmill delivering irregular power to remote single-family houses with no other power at all? Yes, a windmill is better than nothing. But not much better. Windmills are stopped as soon as reliable power power is available. Every time, everywhere.

Markopanama
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 21, 2015 6:32 am

Wind and solar will never replace, or even make a dent in, fossil fuel/nuclear without the unmentioned revolution in cheap very high volume storage, which is still a long way off. To see how far, just build a simple model of an all-solar/wind grid.
As I recall, far less than 1% of grid power is storable today. The largest systems, pumped storage like the massive dam and reservoir in LA could only provide total power for a few hours at best. Now think about storage to cover nights and many days in a row without sun or wind.
Storage is the Achilles heel of solar/wind. I wish someone more knowledgable would lay this out and quantify the very small possible contribution possible for solar/wind and the magnitude of the storage problem.

MarkW
Reply to  rbdwiggins
April 21, 2015 11:02 am

Existing storage systems are also very inefficient. Pumped storage is lucky to get back half the energy put in.

Arsten
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 10:53 am

“Focused adaption the day after tomorrow” means that when the sea level hits your door, it’s cheaper to move to another house (or build another house) that’s on higher ground than it is to stop all energy production that’s not solar or wind right now.

Mike Jowsey
Reply to  Arsten
April 21, 2015 12:00 am

A perfect retort to the “insurance” proposition. +1

Reply to  Arsten
April 21, 2015 5:27 am

It could also mean calling the fire department when ones house is actually on fire, instead of calling them every morning just in case there is a fire later that day.

MarkW
Reply to  Arsten
April 21, 2015 11:04 am

Since it will take 100 years for the water to reach that house, and the life expectancy of most houses is less than 100 years. Merely stop building in those areas that are going to flood. Then abandon and tear down houses as they wear out.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 11:03 am

I’m responding from a fairly narrow, (focused), perspective, so anyone out there, feel free to correct, embellish, etc.. pun intended, OK I’m sorry …
Focused adaptation is a pretty simple. It’s based on the notion that it’s often more cost effective to cut your losses after the fact than to buy insurance against all your losses before the fact. The transaction costs of advanced action to eliminate all potential risks will accumulate to the point that it’s a less than zero sum game, and the non-zero sum will go to the insurance companies. In this case the insurance companies are the people who stand to make a profit if we take the politically suggested approach to climate change.

Dipchip
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 11:17 am

Concerning green energy; it is not a matter of how much money they make, but how much they lose. You can lose for ever if the government keeps the cash supply available.
28 dollar equity on 100 dollar investment is not my cup of tea.
.

Paddy O'Furniture
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 2:57 pm

Renewables are a bad way to go because the major ones, solar and wind, are simply not reliable nor cost effective…not ready for prime time as they say. If your power source is highly variable you have to keep something close to equivalent capacity in fossil fueled or nuclear power plants in order to maintain satisfaction of demand. Renewable is simply not the most effective use of the financial and intellectual capital we have. Thorium-based nuclear and fracked natural gas make more sense for the foreseeable future. My background, in case it matters, is chemical and geothermal engineering, though I’m retired.

Reply to  Paddy O'Furniture
April 20, 2015 4:46 pm

I’m a retired nuclear engineer. Thorium advocates are about as honest as climate warmists. There are minor differences between the uranium/Pu239 and thorium/U233 fuel cycles, but no fundamental game changers. U233 is created in the thorium fuel cycle just as Pu239 is created in the uranium fuel cycle. Both make excellent fuel, and excellent weapons. They make the same amount of un-recycle-able waste. On the other hand, there are reactor designs that recycle more fuel (hence less waste) and are more benign in severe accidents – on paper. We’ll see some of those in the decades to come, but they will probably be built in countries with a more predictable regulatory, legal, and political climate than the U.S.

Reply to  Paddy O'Furniture
April 21, 2015 8:42 am

Mr. Piet,
With respect sir, the thorium proponents would say you are biased due to your past association with the prevailing nuclear power paradigm.
People like me cannot tell who to believe at this point, we still need more information.

george e. smith
Reply to  Christopher Paino
April 20, 2015 6:28 pm

“The Day after Tomorrow” was a totally stupid sci fi flick dreamed up by Art Bell and some cohorts that had the whole of the Atlantic freezing solid in two days, or some such silly scenario.
It was almost a stupid as this current “interstellar or some such that has a planet with 500 ft high waves rolling around on it all the time but nothing living on it as a result.
I’ve been to the Monterey Aquarium, and stuff grows on rocks that even a thousand foot wave wouldn’t bother.
Gone are the days of some intelligence in sci fi stories.

Udar
Reply to  george e. smith
April 21, 2015 7:02 pm

The only thing in movie Interstellar regarding that planet was that human’s landing party was destroyed by said waves.
Nothing was said regarding “nothing living on it as a result.” In fact, in the movie nobody found any life (or was looking for one) whatsoever, the only questions were whether it is possible to establish colony for people to live there.
It is my understanding that Interstellar is one of few movies that really got its physics right.

Reply to  george e. smith
April 22, 2015 4:04 pm

I liked the movie. But I have devoured just about every thing written in the realm of sci-fi since…a long time ago.

Editor
April 20, 2015 10:10 am
April 20, 2015 10:11 am

Lord Monckton has again thrown down the gauntlet. One wonders if his challenge will be accepted.

Reply to  firetoice2014
April 20, 2015 10:31 am

He is usually spot-on and this was very well written. got to go and look at the J. Curry link.

Sun Spot
April 20, 2015 10:12 am

The APS is afraid, their members have been cowed by the cAGW political fear narrative (and they like the corrupt money the fear of others brings to their pseudo-research).

Ian W
Reply to  Sun Spot
April 20, 2015 10:19 am

and they like the corrupt money the fear of others brings to their pseudo-research

Hence that useful word ‘peculation

MRW
Reply to  Ian W
April 21, 2015 1:09 am

‘peculation‘

✔✔✔

TYoke
Reply to  Sun Spot
April 20, 2015 8:34 pm

Mencken said it best:
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Luke
April 20, 2015 10:18 am

The only group that is politicizing this issue is WUWT. Let the physicists examine the data and come to their own conclusion!

Greg Woods
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 10:39 am

No man is so blind as he who will not see.

MarkW
Reply to  Greg Woods
April 20, 2015 12:09 pm

It’s amazing how blind people can be, when their self-interest gets involved.

Catherine Ronconi
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 10:44 am

The physicists who have challenged the position of the small, self-selected group who perpetrated the statement would disagree with you.

Sir Harry Flashman
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 11:28 am

I guess we’ll find out when we see the response. So far I haven’t seen large groups of physicists protesting “corruption”, just folks like Monckton and WUWT.

Catherine Ronconi
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 11:31 am

Have you looked?
Lots of physicists object to the statement, including many among the most distinguished. Some have resigned in protest.
Don’t expect the corrupt society administration to change until grants start being awarded to skeptics instead of consensus running dogs.

Catherine Ronconi
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 11:58 am

Nobel Prize winner Ivar Giaever and former UCSB department chairman Hal Lewis are among those who have resigned from the APS over its anti-scientific global warming statement. Sadly, Lewis has died.
Lewis’ 2010 resignation letter to the APS (after 67 years’ membership) cited “corruption” from “the money flood” of government grants. It characterized the APS as having changed from an organization which sought to further scientific knowledge, to one that suppresses science in its attempt to obtain further funding from government agencies. The majority of his letter details his criticism of the group’s support for the “global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave”, and further expresses his belief that the loss of that funding would be devastating to those organizations. Lewis declared the “global warming scam” as “the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist”.

Keystone illumiNOTi
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 1:42 pm

You there! yes you. Turn out the lights, I was looking for something important.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 1:54 pm

SHF – I know several physicists. Not one of them believes in CAGW. Also no geologists that I have ever met. Ditto virtually every engineer. I am wondering, who exactly supports this nonsense? Is it only the guys on payola or have they hoodwinked some actual scientists?

4 eyes
Reply to  Catherine Ronconi
April 20, 2015 5:56 pm

As a 61 yr old practising engineer I have to echo Crispin ‘ comment above. I only know of 2 engineers who think AGW is likely to be catastrophic. All my other engineering colleagues dismiss the catastrophic bit out of hand, primarily for 2 reasons – warming is very slow and the practical way forward is to mitigate when required.

Chip Javert
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 10:46 am

Luke
No politics? Well, maybe if you ignore those propagating the original proposed APS statement.
Additionally, as Moncton points out, ‘…[the] note to APS members (which, incidentally, has not been sent to every member, as your rules require)…” would seem to indicate somebody is not really interested in a full membership review.
So you don’t want to call this “politics”, but we gotta call it something: lets agree to call it “bananas”. (Apologies to Alfred Kahn, Jimmy Carter’s Chief Economist).

Jonathan Griggs
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 10:59 am

Right, because it’s the WUWT readers that are organizing the waste of tax payer money known as Paris 2015. It’s not the politicians like President Obama or the green lobbyists that politicize this at all.
/sarc

KA
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 11:03 am

If giving people the ability to learn the truth is ‘politicizing’ than WUWT should not stop – All sites should point to the obvious trueness and the lies being hosted on the public in the quest of money and power. This nation’s greatest failure has been public funding of science and public unions, those combined allow evil people to mask their goals and get away with murdering millions.

george e. smith
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 11:56 am

Well Luke I see you have a typo there.
The word is spelled … publicizing …
That is what WUWT does; pretty much. Provide a forum, where people can bring up interesting issues for open discussion.
I wouldn’t call it ‘debate’. That has connotations of an antagonistic confrontation.
In a peer reviewed environment, it is simple for participants to exchange favors (if they want to), rather than deal with writings on their merit.
Here at WUWT, each person can choose his(er) own mode of expression either openly or by pseudonym.
Even confrontation is possible within reasonable guide lines spelled out by our host.
No person is required to come to WUWT for information or guidance.
Outside this forum, most of us are forced to accept the dictates of political processes over which we exert almost no control, and which demonstrably are often quite misinformed.

MarkW
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 12:08 pm

I’m guessing that Luke didn’t actually read the article.
The physicists aren’t being allowed to come to their own conclusions. The physicists have been locked out of the process by the politicians.

george e. smith
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 12:10 pm

Well Luke, I am a physicist, with over half a century of gainful employment using those skills.
And as it turns out, I HAVE examined the data (that is available) and I have considered my own conclusions about what the data shows me, as well as considered the expressed positions of others whose credentials (in the subject) are considerable.
And my own conclusions are that this is just about the biggest waste of money and resources, that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
About the only silver lining that I can see, is that the climate boondoggle is very likely to get supplanted by the free clean green thermonuclear fusion energy boondoggle.
But at least, that is less likely to deprive the poorer communities of this planet, of the energy needed to improve their living conditions.
g
PS No, for the record, climatology is NOT the centerpiece of my physicist credentials; but the laws of physics, operate the same everywhere.

Michael D
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 12:21 pm

Let the physicists examine the data and come to their own conclusion!
You mean like Freeman Dyson ?

Catherine Ronconi
Reply to  Michael D
April 20, 2015 12:41 pm
george e. smith
Reply to  Michael D
April 20, 2015 6:32 pm

Now Will Happer; there’s a physicists physicist, and a really fine gentleman as well.
g

Gloria Swansong
Reply to  Michael D
April 21, 2015 2:28 pm

Who has been shamelessly abused for the unpardonable sin of skepticism, as on CNBC.

Gloria Swansong
Reply to  Michael D
April 21, 2015 2:32 pm

I’m posting with my other alias because my name, Catherine Ronconi, has apparently been blocked. If the moderators don’t want me to comment under either email address, then I’ll stop. I’m not trying to evade being kicked off the blog.
[Hmmmn. Noted, we will look for it. .mod]

Gloria Swansong
Reply to  Michael D
April 21, 2015 3:30 pm

Thanks!

Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 1:53 pm

That is exactly what Monkton is suggesting. The warmists, and, from your comment, you are trying to prevent.

ferdberple
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 4:43 pm

The only group that is politicizing this issue is WUWT
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so you are saying that Gore and Obama have joined WUWT. makes sense. if you can’t lick ’em, join ’em.

David A
Reply to  Luke
April 20, 2015 10:28 pm

Luke, they did speak for themselves, and the skeptical viewpoint was clearly triumphant.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/12/notes-on-the-aps-workshop-on-climate-change/

MRW
Reply to  Luke
April 21, 2015 1:54 am

The only group that is politicizing this issue is WUWT. Let the physicists examine the data and come to their own conclusion!

Did you ever read the AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY
CLIMATE CHANGE STATEMENT REVIEW WORKSHOP transcript? (Held on January 8, 2014)
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/upload/climate-seminar-transcript.pdf
You should. Because that is the genesis of the complaint Dr. Curry wrote about yesterday (and she was one of the scientists participating on January 8, 2014).
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/20/aps-members-comment-on-climate-change-statement/
And what she wrote two weeks ago.

Well, their paragraph on Climate Science is a rather astonishing take on the APS Workshop. Their paragraph on Climate Change seems to come from the Guardian. Their statement on Climate Action reiterates their rather crazy statement in 2007.
Here is my real problem with this statement. This is an egregious misuse of the expertise of the APS. Their alleged understanding of issues like spectroscopy and fluid dynamics are not of any direct relevance to the issues they write about in this statement.

Until you read the workshop transcript, accusations about WUWT “politicizing this issue” are tantamount to writing a book review without reading the book.

Paul
April 20, 2015 10:22 am

“…about its proposed amendment to its existing daft “Statement on Climate Change””
It reads correct either way, should that be draft?

Bubba Cow
April 20, 2015 10:26 am

“peculation” -> speculation directly below economics chart: 3rd figure
[fixed thanks -mod]

Dipchip
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 20, 2015 11:42 am

In ‘Letters to a Young Gentleman Commencing His Education’ (New Haven, 1823), Noah Webster wrote: ” …And it is to the neglect of this rule of conduct in our citizens, that we must ascribe the multiplied frauds, breeches of trust, peculations and embezzlements of public property “…
“The sheer number of petty peculations people thought they could slip by always amazed her.” – Siuan Sanche. From The Shadow Rising, by Robert Jordan

John Shaw
Reply to  Bubba Cow
April 20, 2015 12:03 pm

If you look up the definition of “peculation” I believe it to be an appropriate usage with regard to research funding.

Reply to  John Shaw
April 21, 2015 6:01 am

Lord Monkton has given us two double entendres today.
Daft or Draft, either one fits.
Peculation and Speculation, either one fits.

Larry Hamlin
April 20, 2015 10:26 am

Well done Sir Monckton. An excellent assessment.
One wonders how much longer the empirical data blind world of the hopelessly overwhelmed, ignorant and biased main stream media can continue to ignore the huge reality gaps between flawed climate model projections versus real world outcomes.
But then this entire climate alarmist scheme was always driven by screwball political ideology not science.

April 20, 2015 10:27 am

Lord Monckton published a paper in the APS bulletin in 2008. I see nothing to change those conclusions.

April 20, 2015 10:29 am

Splendid post. However this assertion…”undue concern about our effect on the climate is misplaced” …is true by definition. Undue=misplaced.
Sorry to pick nits.

Mike Jowsey
Reply to  aneipris
April 21, 2015 12:20 am

to nit-pick a picker of nits… Undue can be defined in an entirely different way to misplaced. Therefore, your proposition that undue=misplaced is negated.

April 20, 2015 10:33 am

Speaking of divestment.
APS members have cause now to evaluate whether it is the most rational action to choose to divest themselves of APS membership; and to divest from APS membership in a publically emphasized way.
John

Reply to  John Whitman
April 20, 2015 10:49 am

good one.

Mike Jowsey
Reply to  John Whitman
April 21, 2015 12:33 am

Indeed. As some notables have already (publicly) done. However, the money flow is the limiter on the mass action you promote.

Gary
April 20, 2015 10:57 am

The only things APS members are qualified to appraise are the physical attributes of the earth’s climate system. The Society should be issuing a statement on how to conduct effective research, not proclaiming what’s settled or unsettled. They may understand the laws of physics, but most likely are way out of their depth concerning geology, chemistry, and biology. Venturing into economics and sociology is laughable.

Reply to  Gary
April 20, 2015 11:07 am

The climate debate has opened my eyes to many things, including how spectacular dumb supposedly intelligent people can be. The mere possession of lots of IQ points or advanced degrees, is no way a guarantee of wisdom or common sense.

Keystone illumiNOTi
Reply to  aneipris
April 20, 2015 1:47 pm

Educated beyond their intelligence, it has been called.

rw
Reply to  Gary
April 20, 2015 12:05 pm

Exactly. The simple fact that this group issued a statement of this nature tells any sufficiently aware observer all he needs to know.

george e. smith
Reply to  Gary
April 20, 2015 12:20 pm

The Temperature of the earth surface, or of the lower troposphere, is entirely a property of Thermodynamics, which is a purely physics discipline.
While Temperature is a practical factor in geology, chemistry and also biology, as simply a tool, it has no application to economics or sociology.
So physicists are pre-eminently qualified to opine on the subject of Temperature of the lower troposphere or earth surface; more so than anyone else.

Reply to  george e. smith
April 21, 2015 2:19 pm

“So physicists are pre-eminently qualified to opine on the subject of Temperature of the lower troposphere or earth surface; more so than anyone else.”
In the same way that grammarians are best qualified to critique literature?

Alba
April 20, 2015 11:00 am

The company we keep:
To quote the prominent theology professor Neil Ormerod: “Free speech for racist bigots, free speech for climate denialists. Where will it end? Free speech for the tobacco industry to deny smoking causes cancer? There is a value in free speech to promote reasoned discussion and deliberation. And then there is obdurate and at times wilful ignorance. Smoking does cause cancer, there are no superior races and human-induced climate change is as certain as it is scientifically possible to demonstrate.”
Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/04/left-wing-writer-wants-to-limit-freedom-of-speech.html#ixzz3XsDvl8rD

george e. smith
Reply to  Alba
April 20, 2015 12:25 pm

How does one exhibit willfulness about that of which one is ignorant ??
Oh I see the chap is a theology professor. Yes for him free speech is vigorously protected.

ferdberple
Reply to  Alba
April 20, 2015 4:53 pm

Smoking does cause cancer
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lung cancer rates for smokers in the country are identical to non-smokers in the city. however, smokers that live in the city have 9 time higher lung cancer rates.
So, one could argue that it is really the combination of smoking and city life that causes lung cancer. it was only after people moved in large numbers into cities that smoking became recognized as a health problem.
And, if one was to follow the consensus solution in climate science, as popularized by Gore and now Obama, the solution to lung cancer is to ban cities.

george e. smith
Reply to  ferdberple
April 20, 2015 6:44 pm

ferd,
Americans of African or Hispanic ancestry as a group, smoke less than we “white guys” do.
Yet their lung cancer rates are way higher than for the white population.
The reason: They are targeted by cigarette ads (in their popular magazines) for …. Menthol Cigarettes …
The menthol in those cigs evidently cool the smoke and encourage deep inhalation of the smoke into the lungs, where it does its damage.
First time I read that, I started asking Americans of African ancestry whom I might see smoking cigarettes (yes bloody cheeky I know) what brand they were smoking.
To this day, I have not asked anyone who turned out to NOT be smoking a menthol brand of cigarette.
And yes I told them why I was so rudely asking them about none of my business.
Menthols are heavily advertised in Black magazines and neighborhoods.
And yes I have noticed, they really aren’t smoking in large numbers.
Now the Europeans; specially the French; they can’t wait to get a cig lit up in their mouth as soon as they step of the bus or train.

Editor
Reply to  ferdberple
April 20, 2015 6:56 pm

“lung cancer rates for smokers in the country are identical to non-smokers in the city. however, smokers that live in the city have 9 time higher lung cancer rates.”
I remember some study in Europe that discovered people living in urban areas were at a greater risk of either lung cancer or cancer in general than people living in rural areas, the implication that that the diesel vehicles in town were responsible.
It turned out the rural folks were people like farmers – young and very active, whereas the urban folks were older and generally in poorer health.

Mike Jowsey
Reply to  ferdberple
April 21, 2015 12:46 am

lung cancer rates for smokers in the country are identical to non-smokers in the city

Citation please. I have looked but cannot find it.

MRW
Reply to  ferdberple
April 21, 2015 2:26 am

Japanese men smoke waaay more than American men and yet their incidence of lung cancer is much, much lower.

Marugame, T. et al. Lung cancer death rates by smoking status: comparison of the Three-Prefecture Cohort Study in Japan to the Cancer Prevention Study II in the USA. Cancer Science. 2005. 96(2):120-6.
Nakaji, S. et al. Explanations for the smoking paradox in Japan. European Journal of Epidemiology. 2003. 18(5):381-3.

The traditional Japanese diet is noticeably lower in refined sugar, too, compared to ours, and much higher in fermented salts (like the excellent Takuko Tamari, a fermented soy sauce). Sugar is acidic. I spoke to a Canadian cancer researcher who told me death occurs when there is positive acidity in the blood. He claimed that so many of the cancers we get would not arise if the ‘soil’ of our bodies, our cells, were not continously assaulted with refined sugars and high fructose syrup, the latter of which he considered the same as rat poison.

Reply to  ferdberple
April 21, 2015 6:05 am

Or ban humans.

Reply to  ferdberple
April 21, 2015 6:47 am

I believe it is incorrect to say that smoking causes lung cancer.
the two are correlated, but since it is obvious that some people smoke their whole life and never get cancer I don’t think you can say that it causes it.
There is no specific number of cigarettes one can point to and say that that is the number that will give a person cancer. Some people will be relatively light smokers and get cancer, and other people are heavy smokers and live a long life and never get cancer. So obviously there are other factors which can outweigh the smoking.
For the record I do not smoke, have never smoked, hate cigarettes, believe it to be a disgusting habit and a waste of money, and do not invest in tobacco companies.

Loodt Pretorius
Reply to  ferdberple
April 21, 2015 1:19 pm

Of course smoking is bad for you. See this blog by an old Irish Git.
http://headrambles.com/smoking-out-the-truth/worlds-oldest-smokers/
Now the Irish wouldn’t lie would they?

Harry Passfield
April 20, 2015 11:07 am

The APS must be much like the BBC: constantly trying to remind us in so many of its programmes that AGW/CC is happening – and it’s tragic!. I get the impression that it’s much the same as when certain kinds of jobs-worths went about their lives in WW II, constantly reminding everyone: “Don’t you know there’s a war on?”
Well, my considered response these days to the disciples of AGW, who like to tell me that the world is warming is, ‘So what!’ Then it’s up to them to tell me why that’s such a bad thing. Let’s face it, if someone (like Gore?) was to tell them that world was cooling, what would be their reaction? It’s a great game.
I’m not a den**r, I’m a SWOT!

Scott
April 20, 2015 11:08 am

Lord Moncton…..There you go again!….telling the facts……:-)

Neal A
April 20, 2015 11:10 am

“Affordably-recoverable fossil-fuel reserves are finite and may be largely exhausted by the end of the century in any event.”
Currently, the proved recoverable coal reserves are about 870 million short tons with an annual consumption of about 8 million short tons (see: BP Statistical review of world energy 2012″. British Petroleum). Since proved recoverable resources are those that can be commercially recovered with current technology. Therefore, the above statement indicating that the fossil-fuel reserves may be exhausted by the end of the century assumes that the technology to recover additional resources does not improve sufficient to increase the size of the proved reserves, or that the increases in technology are only able to keep up with increasing demand. Both of these assumptions have not worked out well in recent years for oil and gas recovery with the US shale oil and gas reserves adds more than accounting for total US production. Similar trends are seen in other countries.
Therefore, it might be a bit of a stretch to state that the reserves may be largely exhausted by the end of the century. Stating that they would be largely depleted is self evident, but if the trend of adding resources continues as technology improves, this end date could be pushed out significantly. This is especially true for coal in the US, the holder of the worlds largest proven reserves, since additional commercial delineation of coal resources has not been needed to meet demand in recent history.

kim
Reply to  Neal A
April 20, 2015 11:45 am

Milliard or billion?
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Reply to  Neal A
April 20, 2015 11:58 am

You meant billion, not million. Tons is a very deceptive coal energy metric, as the heat content varies by more than a factor of 4 from in place ‘damp’ lignite to bituminous/anthracite. There are serious studies (Patzek at U. Texas, Rutledge at Caltech) using various methods to suggest’ (without any CAGW considerations) the coal resource is more limited than the industry says. Dave Rutledge’ presentations and paper are available on his Caltech website. Worth a look.
US coal resources are well delineated. What has not been done completely is a TRR estimate. That depends on the specifics of seam thickness and mining technique: room and pillar, longwall with roof collapse, horizontal bore, strip, … And some of those resources are essentialy unproducable because of high sulfur and ash content except via gasification, which is uneconomic. Logansport Indiana is a good example of the gasification ‘solution’ fiasco. Essay Clean Coal in ebook Blowing Smoke.

MarkW
Reply to  Neal A
April 20, 2015 12:44 pm

That’s current technology AND current prices. Rising prices also makes more coal economically recoverable.

Stephen Richards
April 20, 2015 11:13 am

The simple solution is to resile your membership.

Reply to  Stephen Richards
April 20, 2015 11:30 am

Stephen Richards,
Thanks. I learned a new word today.
John

Reply to  John Whitman
April 20, 2015 3:29 pm

As did I. (Now my vocabulary is up to twelve words!)

Reply to  John Whitman
April 21, 2015 6:08 am

I too, would throw my APS membership back into the silo.
Yes, “peculation” is new to me too.

george e. smith
Reply to  Stephen Richards
April 20, 2015 12:34 pm

No you simply vote out the rascals next election of officers cycle (every year).

Reply to  Stephen Richards
April 20, 2015 8:12 pm

As a Simple Red Neck, I now have three (3!) obscure words to baffle other Red Necks with! Better not use it at a Biker Bar though. It could be painful!

Reply to  Jon Jewett
April 21, 2015 6:35 pm

Jon Jewett on April 20, 2015 at 8:12 pm
– – – – – – –
Jon Jewett,
Hey those kind of obscure words are good for witty repartee at chic cocktail parties.
John

andrewmharding
Editor
April 20, 2015 11:17 am

Another excellent essay Christopher, without wishing to nit-pick something else that could have been mentioned was historical atmospheric CO2 concentration. You did mention the varying prehistorical temperature and provided graphs, but as I understand it the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere in the past has been over 7000 ppm without the “tipping point” being reached.
Personally, I think this is the strategic nail in the coffin for the AGW brigade.

Reply to  andrewmharding
April 20, 2015 11:54 am

In response to Mr Harding, I had originallyintended to include a graph showing the startling absence of correlation between CO2 and temperature changes over the past 550 million years, but that one did not make the cut. I could also have pointed out that in the Neoproterozoic era the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was 30%. Today, to the nearest tenth of one per cent, there isn’t any.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 20, 2015 1:21 pm

Prehistorical CO2 concentration is a great argument. Plus, the BBC shares the burden of proof http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/earth_timeline/first_life

Catherine Ronconi
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 20, 2015 2:27 pm

That sounds more like the Archean Eon than the Neoproterozoic Era. Maybe at the end of Snowball Earth intervals, but 30% still looks high for that era. Would you be kind enough to post a source for this estimate? Thanks.

milodonharlani
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 20, 2015 4:45 pm

Chris can speak for himself, but IMO that figure comes from Raymond Pierrehumbert’s estimation of the amount of CO2 needed to melt a Snowball Earth under Cryogenian Period solar output, based upon assumptions about ECS, albedo & other variables put into a model.
The abstract uses 0.2 bar rather than Chris’ 0.3 bar, but in the body of the paper Ray mentions an upper limit of 0.29 bar.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v429/n6992/full/nature02640.html
So Chris’ beyond highest estimate in this model output is derived from a computer simulation “experiment”, not from actual scientific observation.
Other model runs have found that global glaciation then could have resulted from PAL (currently 400 ppmv) & been ended by as little as 12,000 ppmv rather than Chris’ 300,000. But it’s far more likely that very high CO2 levels from volcanism were not the main cause of deglaciation. Methane could have been more important (but probably also not responsible, see below), or the GHE was not even the primary “forcing” agent, which happens to be my opinion, FWIW, which isn’t much.
“Scientists” continue playing such computer games, with results all over the place, thanks to GIGO inputs. They range from only ten times higher than now to 1.0 bar (a million parts per million of PAL, obviously in an atmosphere more massive than currently).
As for methane rather than CO2 as the planet’s savior gas, please see this, also reported on WUWT back in 2011:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-05/ciot-ctd052511.php
If I’m mistaken, Chris, and your number is in fact derived from actual observations rather than a computer exercise, my apologies.

David A
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 21, 2015 4:51 am

Sir the lead in stated this; “Climate change: risks and rewards, benefits and costs”.
Other then one simple sentence mentioning aerial fertilization, would not something like this be better?
The IPCC projected harms from anthropogenic CO2 are failing to manifest, while the benefits of CO2 are KNOWN and documented in tens of thousands of laboratory and real world experiments. The doubling of earth’s pre-industrialization atmospheric CO2 from 280 PPM to 560 PPM will, exclusive of any other improvements in crop growth, increase mankind’s global food supply 30% to 50 % without increasing the amount of land and water used.

andrewmharding
Editor
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 21, 2015 6:04 am

Thank you for your reply, Christopher, what you said is interesting because if 300,000 ppm didn’t cause catastrophic irreversible global warming (presumably the physics is unchanged, then 400ppm) most certainly will not either, therefore the “tipping point” beloved of AGW mongers does not exist or needs more CO2 than 300,000ppm.

milodonharlani
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 21, 2015 12:41 pm

Andrew,
There is no physical evidence that CO2 levels were that high in the Neoproterozoic Era (one billion to 541 million years ago). However they probably were around 30% during the Archean Eon (4 to 2.5 billion years ago), at least in its first two or three of four eras. As noted above, the Neoproterozoic figure comes from beyond the high end of a computer model “experiment” to see how much CO2 might have been needed to melt a Snowball Earth, based upon unrealistic assumptions.
Of course the sun was a lot less luminous in the Archean (perhaps 70 to 75% of present power) and even in the Neoproterozoic (~94% of now at 660 Ma).
But runaway warming didn’t happen in the first four of the six periods of the Paleozoic Era (541 to 359 Ma), either, when CO2 levels were 2000 to 8000 ppmv. At 440 Ma (Early Silurian), the sun was about 96% as luminous as now. There was an ice age in the preceding Ordovician Period with CO2 at over 4000 ppmv.

milodonharlani
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 21, 2015 1:25 pm

Present thinking on the evolution of earth’s atmosphere:
http://l.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/k5ppGp_5uxmzQ8z_LNFfyQ–/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MzA1O3E9OTU7dz0zNDU-/http://www.scientificpsychic.com/etc/timeline/atmosphere-composition.gif
The first atmosphere, in the Hadean, was hydrogen & helium, light gases soon lost to space because earth’s gravity wasn’t sufficient to hold them & due to lack of a magnetosphere, from the core not having differentiated yet, plus possibly ammonia & methane.
The second atmosphere, from the late Hadean into the Archean, was produced by volcanoes emerging from the newly formed crust. The water vapor rained out to form oceans as the planet cooled, leaving nitrogen, formed by the action of sunlight on ammonia, & CO2 as the dominant gases. At its height in the mid-Archean, CO2 might well have exceeded 30% of the air.
CO2 declined for the rest of the Archean & into the early Proterozoic, to be replaced by cyanobacteria-produced oxygen from then on as the number two gas in varying concentrations.

Reply to  andrewmharding
April 21, 2015 6:22 pm

“the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere in the past has been over 7000 ppm without the “tipping point” being reached.”
I believe that Christopher Monckton debunked the whole notion of tipping points in a recent essay here on WUWT, by simply pointing out that there has been no runaway feedbacks, on the cold or warm side, at any time in the recent geological history of the earth. And this despite asteroid strikes, volcanic catastrophes, and any and all other manner of shocks and insults to the atmosphere and hydrosphere of the earth.
A few hundredths of 1 percent more of the essential trace gas CO2 seems unlikely to do what massive asteroids strikes and super-volcanoes could not.

Gloria Swansong
Reply to  Menicholas
April 22, 2015 10:54 am
Reply to  Menicholas
April 22, 2015 4:13 pm

Right on Gloria.
And an overlay of temperatures onto that graph makes it plainly evident that CO2 does not drive temperature.
The more recent trends, seen in the ice core data, show a correlation, but with CO2 as an effect of higher temps, not a cause.
And, judging by the longer term view, this is likely to only be the case when CO2 (And temps) is (are) so low that outgassing from the oceans can cause large shifts in the atmospheric proportion of that gas.

ossqss
April 20, 2015 11:40 am
Bubba Cow
Reply to  ossqss
April 20, 2015 12:56 pm

I read a similar piece the other day and thought – why would we want to make “machines” to capture carbon? To appease the carbon fears? Leave it for the plants.

tadchem
April 20, 2015 11:43 am

My proofreader’s eye immediately tripped on the phrase ‘daft “Statement on Climate Change”.’
My mother (who was a newspaper proofreader for over 20 years, and who passed a few things on to me) would have called this a ‘Freudian slip.’
Very amusing…stet.

April 20, 2015 11:47 am

Very nicely done Lord Monckton. One to bookmark!
[Typo fixed – mod]

knr
April 20, 2015 11:48 am

the reality is your up against one of the most powerful human emotions you can come across , that is ‘indifference’
Most members of the APS may not agree with the Statement on Climate Change, however they do not disagree strongly enough to put effort in to getting it changed if that means sitting through endless meetings, reading largely worthless reports by the bucket load and dealing with people whose idea of a good time is thinking of ‘points of order ‘ to bring up in meetings while sorting paper clips out by size .
Most clubs end up heading by these types of people , because they enjoy this type of thing and its a bit of power trip, while most other members are ‘indifferent’ to the whole boring process involved with administration and organisation as long as they enjoy a reasonable status for being a member and the occasional nice meal with a few drinks.

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