Ah ya gotta love the ABC of Australia, they’ll find a way to keep the meme alive no matter what, as reported in WUWT two days ago, they found this guy to give a “the warming is wot dun it” quote with their story about the record level of Antarctic sea ice:
CEO of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems CRC, Tony Worby, said the warming atmosphere is leading to greater sea ice coverage by changing wind patterns.
“The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they’re increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone,” he said.
Warming doesn’t seem to be a problem when you look at the satellite data for the Antarctic continent, in fact, there is a slight cooling:
Source: Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) – Microwave Sounding Units (MSU)
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tlt/plots/rss_ts_channel_tlt_southern%20polar_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
(UAH data added to original story) Source: University of Alabama, Huntsville
There is some warming along the Antarctic peninsula, but that seems to be related to wind and ocean patterns there, along with possible waste heat from the little warm pockets of humanity where the temperatures are measured. The Antarctic peninsula has the highest concentration of people on the continent, mainly because conditions are much less harsh there.
That doesn’t stop some people from trying to claim (Steig et al. 2009, using Mannian math) that the entire continent is warming though. Fortunately, there are climate skeptics that have done published science to decisively refute such claims:
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Is it part of the 97% consensus that man made global warming is causing an increase in Antarctic sea ice?
How terribly embarrassing to have to admit that you are a “journalist” from ABC Australia…
The trouble is John that these English Literature or School of Journalism graduates have been thoroughly inculcated with pseudo-scientific crap and don’t even realise that they are peddling falsehoods to the public. Fortunately, the general public here have come to realise how biased these “journalists” are and filter out the most egregious reporting anyway.
Hey Peter is that the same ABC Catalyst program that did the highly irresponsible scare story about Statins in cholesterol control which was widely condemned by the medical specialists. Science trained indeed!
Peter,
As far as the Catalyst program is concerned, I’m inclined to believe the southern jet stream is moving more poleward and the surface winds are increasing in velocity. Here’s a plot I did a couple of years ago using the 20th Century Reanalysis v2 zonal wind speed data:
If that’s the case, then I’m also inclined to believe that there is increased Ekman drift of sea-ice northward. There were other claims in the program that I’d quibble with, but that’s another comment.
Thanks, but I like it the way it stands. Do you have an answer for me or would you like to play word games ? I have time.
Hmm… 24 hours of silence. That’s very unusual for you Peter. I wonder what shall we make of this “pause” in your activity trend ?
Perhaps there is a legitimate Cause for the Pause.
I have my own theories, you probably have one, I’ll bet others here have theories as well to explain the cause for your pause.
I wonder if it’s natural or Man made ? Does it even exist ? Perhaps you HAVE answered my question and I am in “denial”. Maybe your answer has been diverted to the deep oceans, I suppose there are a number of reasonable explainations…..
Perhaps a new grant could get to the bottom of it …
Meanwhile, the UN says that Ozone layer showing ‘signs of recovery’
Clearly if you Northerners want more Arctic sea ice you better start depleting ozone up there or recovering it or whatever the UN reckons this month?
Err…sorry Southern folks of course I meant down there?
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=upside+down+map+of+the+earth&rlz=1T4MXGB_enAU564AU564&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZKIXVMqdJZPbuQTzpYJQ&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1366&bih=612
and naturally if yoall stand on your heads looking at climate the blood is gunna rush to your heads stoopids.
BINGO. Self contradiction, a sure sign of a liar exceeding his ability to logically maintain the lie. Unfortunately with the current state of education/indoctrination here in the U.S. (and from what I see, the world in general) this obvious contradiction is either lost or ignored by those that should or could expose it properly.
Anthony, since Tony Worby is claiming a change in wind patterns, is there any historical data on wind patterns for the continent? Can Tony Worby produce his data to show the wind patterns have changed to facilitate the added accumulation of Ice?
Don’t know. There may be some radiosonde data that can give us maybe 50 years, sat data is even less.
Anthony, any chance you could highlight your posts? Your responses (and responses of guest authors too) are of special interest to many and highlighting them would make them a little easier to spot. The new format looks good, btw.
“…warming atmosphere is leading to greater sea ice coverage by changing wind patterns… [wind is] increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone”.
So warming atmosphere changes wind patterns and increases the strength of the wind. And on top of that, ozone depletion increases the strength of the wind.
This provides three easily falsified data points, though we would have to choose a point from which to compare:
1. the atmosphere is warming in the antarctic
2. the strength of the wind is increasing and/or changing its patterns
3. ozone is depleted
This post refutes point 1. The recent post on ozone (http://goo.gl/JHTlyc) quotes a paper indicating the hole is closing, which would refute point 3; even though the post indicates that the hole hasn’t changed much over the past 20 years so, it certainly cannot be claimed to be “depleting”. That leaves point 2. Who has data on the strength of the wind in the Antarctic or its patterns? Or are they conveniently unmeasured/unmeasurable like deep-ocean temperatures?
I wonder if reading too much of this nonsense causes brain damage, which might explain its persistence.
“The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they’re increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone,” he said.
The depletion of ozone (the ozone hole) was first discovered during IGY 1957. Sure took a long time to see the effect on the wind!
The astute warmist will pick this one up to explain as to why the Arctic sea ice has been in recovery mode for the last two years. Warming causes less sea ice coverage, and warming cause more sea ice coverage. It is quite brilliant, really.
Warmests can suck and blow at the same time it seems.
Warmists
JimS — That apparent recovery of Arctic sea ice is interesting because it may point to possible existence of cyclical Arctic temperature variation. The history of Arctic warming began with the twentieth century, prior to which there was nothing there but two thousand years of slow, linear cooling. But after the warming started it was interrupted by a thirty year cold spell in mid-century. Warming returned after 1970 and has kept going ever since, except for the apparent cool spell for the last two years. The original warming was caused by a re-arrangement of the North Atlantic current system that started carrying warm Gulf Stream water into the Arctic Ocean. Greenhouse warming was ruled out by lack of parallel increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide, required by the laws of physics. The mid-century cold spell most likely was due to a temporary return of the previous flow pattern of currents. Greenhouse warming is incapable of performing such maneuvers. If the last two years are a harbinger of another cold spell on the way we could be in for another interruption of warming like the one that happened in mid-twentieth century. It will not be good for Arctic transportation or resource development that is being planned. For more information read my paper in E&E 22(8):1069-1083 (2011). You can probably download it from Judith Curry’s blog.
They employ a simpletons philosophy, “heads I win, tails you lose” – If anyone buys this foolishness, so be it..
If only he’d told Professor Chris Turney, because Chris was clearly operating on the assumption that the non-existent warming was melting ice while we now know that non-existent warming creates ice.
I’m glad that’s clear.
Yep Prof Christmad Turkey sure got stuffed by the climate, there.
This at least solves the problem of why there are ice ages. The great ice sheets must have been caused by heat!
If one looks at the AAO (ANTRACTIC OSCIILLATION) it shows no significant deviations that would suggest or translate into atmospheric temperature/wind pattern changes. So their argument as usual is falsified through the use of data.
Oh, I see!! I see. the recent ice loss in Arctic is due to global cooling, logically!
Warming in the Western Arctic Peninsula: it is also a volcanically active area under the ice, on the coast and under the sea.
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/10/antarctic-glacier-melting/
And hows this for a fit for volcanics and the “red” heat of west antarctica!
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/surprise-west-antarctic-volcano-melts-ice/
Scroll down to see the two maps side by side.
And a new discovery in antarctic waters. Its warming the water and supporting a diverse ecology
http://www.iceagenow.com/Underwater_volcanoes_heating_Antarctic_waters.htm
No, like most peninsula, the climate is caused by the surrounding seas.
Froehm storms on the leeward side of a coastal mountain range cause warming of the air, the heat actually originating in the surrounding sea.
That is why the Antarctic peninsula is the excpetion on the continent.
summary of heat transfer
moist air of ocean rises up mountains , adiabatic cooling forms cloud, dumps rain. Condensation of cloud formation realses latent heat, reheating the cooler air. Air decends leeward side, adiabatic cooling warms the air but since it was also warmed by the latent heat it ends up considerably warmer that when it left the ocean.
The peninsula as a whole ends up warmer than the continent and warmer than the surround oceans which are the source of the heat.
Stronger winds, more warming. Stronger circum polar winds: increased temperature anomaly on the peninsula. This does not even require the surrounding oceans to warm. In fact they will likely be cooled by increased evaporation.
Foehn storms?
We need to get control of global warming before we all freeze to death.
As someone said to Michael Mann ‘if you keep falling on your feet like this, it will be permanent brain damage’
I guarantee that if anywhere that has media gets a harsh winter, someone, somewhere will claim Global warming is causing a possible new ice age.
The AGW attempts to tie all their lies together is starting to resemble Basil Fawlty of Fawlty Towers in full swing.
Just the other day we congratulated ourselves that the Montreal protocol banning CFCs has now “repaired” the ozone hole.
But today, down under – hey presto! – the hole is back, just in time to explain why expanding Antarctic ice is due to warming.
Warming would decrease, not increase, the catabatic winds blowing off Antarctica since it is the coldness of Antarctica that gives energy to those offshore winds.
Its Occam’s razor again folks.
If it feels colder, it is colder.
The whole Antarctic region and the seas around it are cooling. The global climate will follow.
Just live with it. If you cant – get help.
I have said this many times before: In the world of acedemia, you are a nobody if you can’t write and publish a paper and get a research grant. These people have to get their 5 minutes of fame unless you get published in some journal for your groundbreaking research. This guy, Tony Worby, now is the headline of the day on the Google new climate change page, that’s all. Yawn.
and I can’t seem to spell Academia correctly.
That’s OK, neither can most of them.
Have you tried “acanemia” ?
Just think of Macademia Nuts.
Academia Nuts
That is hilarious.
Upon further examination(always admit when data shows otherwise) I did find that the AAO has been trending more positive post 1940 which would suggest perhaps stronger winds in the Antarctic but definitely not warming of Antarctica.
I will send a graph showing this. The question is this ,is the more positive trend in the AAO leading to more Antarctic Sea Ice and if so why?
http://www.lasg.ac.cn/staff/ljp/data-NAM-SAM-NAO/SAM(AAO).htm
History of the AAO .
That did not work for some reason.
Just have to add the .htm on the end of the url
At the other end – it looks like we must now be at or very close to minimum Arctic sea ice extent.
This year’s minimum is higher than 2013.
Too early to talk of recovery I guess?
We could do with some reliable numbers on multi-year ice.
How do they know that expanding Antarctic sea ice is not causing a change in the wind patterns?
http://www.jisao.washington.edu/aao/
I hope this works.