From the NIPCC report:
As seemingly never-ending work on developing and improving climate models progresses, there is also a seemingly never-ending set of assessments of how that work is progressing; and the study of Maloney et al. (2014) is one of the most recent such assessments, wherein its 31 authors provide a summary of projected twenty-first-century North America (NA) climate changes, as spewed out by 25 updated state-of-the-art climate and Earth system models used in CMIP5, i.e., phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project, focusing largely on the representative concentration pathway 8.5 (RCP8.5) in a core set of 17 CMIP5 models. So what did they learn?
In terms of what most people would describe as shortcomings (or maybe even failures), they say (1) “the sign of mean precipitation changes across the southern United States is inconsistent among the models, as is the annual mean precipitation change in the core NA monsoon region,” (2) the models “also disagree on snow water equivalent changes on a regional basis, especially in transitional regions where competing effects occur because of greater snowfall and warming temperatures,” (3) “the western United States is characterized by large inter-model variability in changes in the number of frost days,” (4) “substantial inter-model spread exists for projections of how ENSO teleconnection changes will affect precipitation and temperature variability in western NA,” (5) “projected changes in seasonal mean Atlantic and east Pacific tropical cyclone activity are inconsistent among models, which disagree on the sign and amplitude of changes in environmental factors that modulate tropical cyclone activity,” (6) “models have substantial difficulties in simulating the historical distribution of persistent drought and wet spells,” and (7) “model success in producing historical climate has little bearing on regional projections,” as demonstrated previously by Pierce et al. (2009). Perhaps most important of all, however, is the 31 researchers’ conclusion that “even areas of substantial agreement among models may not imply more confidence that projections are correct, as common errors or deficiencies in model parameterizations may provide false confidence in the robustness of future projections.”
Reference
Maloney, E.D., Camargo, S.J., Chang, E., Colle, B., Fu, R., Geil, K.L., Hu, Q., Jiang, X., Johnson, N., Karnauskas, K.B., Kinter, J., Kirtman, B., Kumar, S., Langenbrunner, B., Lombardo, K., Long, L.N., Mariotti, A., Meyerson, J.E., Mo, K.C., Neelin, J.D., Pan, Z., Seager, R., Serra, Y., Seth, A., Sheffield, J., Stroeve, J., Thibeault, J., Xie, S.-P., Wang, C., Wyman, B. and Zhao, M. 2014. North American climate in CMIP5 experiments: Part III: Assessment of Twenty-First-Century Projections. Journal of Climate 27: 2230-2270.
NAmerClim_in_CMIP5_part3 (PDF)
Additional Reference
Pierce, D.W., Barnett, T.P., Santer, B.D. and Gleckler, P.J. 2009. Selecting climate models for regional climate change studies. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 106: 8441-8446.
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And all those models assume increase in trace C02 (as the prime variable) will warm the atmoshpere of the planet.
They all work on the same unproven premise, therefore they could easily all be wrong.
Just curious .. when will the current “pause” in the “warming” end, according to these ingenious models?
And a mystery number 8 might comment on temperature projections but alas was edited out???
Thus far, none of these models has produced workable forecasts. It seems that the argument above seems to be that the problem is that they are all different. If we make them all the same, I don’t see how that makes the product better. If the ingredients are wrong, proportion isn’t going to fix the cake.
Curious George says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Cessation of warming Hell! The heat’s going in another direction. Any ful knos that.
Anthony-where was Maloney et al 2014 published for future reference? Thanks.
Looks like they are finally catching on…. Ya can’t model a system you don’t fully understand!
In the real world, the conclusion would be: You’re fired!
In climate science this conclusion is just an incentive to ask for more money.
After all, 97% of scientists agree that they are right, by getting it wrong.
Rule one of climate science ‘ if the models and reality differ in value its reality which is in error’ takes care of any variation across the models , has this variation just shows how badly and how often reality is wrong .
Reality is broken.
This assessment will be ignored, as it is from NIPCC. Even if it were from IPCC, its findings would be rationalized and then, ignored
Pause? No.
Hiatus? No.
Discrepancy? Sigh…Yes.
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/06/16/the-global-warming-hiatus/
Aphan says:
Anthony-where was Maloney et al 2014 published for future reference? Thanks.
Reference
Maloney, E.D., Camargo, S.J., Chang, E., Colle, B., Fu, R., Geil, K.L., Hu, Q., Jiang, X., Johnson, N., Karnauskas, K.B., Kinter, J., Kirtman, B., Kumar, S., Langenbrunner, B., Lombardo, K., Long, L.N., Mariotti, A., Meyerson, J.E., Mo, K.C., Neelin, J.D., Pan, Z., Seager, R., Serra, Y., Seth, A., Sheffield, J., Stroeve, J., Thibeault, J., Xie, S.-P., Wang, C., Wyman, B. and Zhao, M. 2014. North American climate in CMIP5 experiments: Part III: Assessment of Twenty-First-Century Projections. Journal of Climate 27: 2230-2270.
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t these new and/or improved models tend to start from “now” to project alarm and ignore how far off the previous models that present is based on have diverged from reality?
Are they just a backdoor way to “move the goal posts”? Or should we just “DO SOMETHING NOW!!” for another 17+ years?
Mmmm … the blog doesn’t like criticizm of the Mosh. Sent a couple of posts to the black hole.
[snip – it is broadly off topic, and will do nothing but start an argument over a person which will disrupt the thread -mod]
This might help them:
New paper finds climate models simulate or predict only about 6% of altocumulus clouds
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/new-paper-finds-climate-models-only.html
Joe Crawford says:”Ya can’t model a system you don’t fully understand!”
Sure you can, it’s done all of the time, the reputable scientist will note where the assumptions are made and work dilligently to replace the assumptions with verifiable data and well concieved hypotheses. Contrast this with Climatologist who seem to ignore that their assumptions are unproven and their models don’t have any demonstrable predictive value.
If one adopted the assumption that tiny changes in global temperature (somewhere in the order of say 0.5C-2C) were attributable to natural variability, such as ocean overturning over long time scales, then all models of this type must fail.
Given the fact that all models of this type have so far failed, this is at least suggestive evidence for the above.
“even areas of substantial agreement among models may not imply more confidence that projections are correct,….
..and they are going to verify these models……how?
The US temp history is a sham…..
Even if one model was accurate with one parameter….it won’t be accurate the second that parameter changes
Madness. Like an Orwell book.
Curious George says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Just curious .. when will the current “pause” in the “warming” end, according to these ingenious models?
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That is a great question. I have never heard any warmist ever attempt to answer or propose an approximation of ‘when’. That is also an inadvertent admission that their side does not understand what caused the plateau. So there is no way for them to define a ‘when’, if they do not yet know the ‘how’.
The accuracy of their future global temperature predictions is no bettrer than the original Hansen predictions were in 1988. Hansen had just thee models, A, B, and C, which he did on an IBM mainframe. His model A was for business as usual, what we lived through. Having experienced his projected future we now know he was way off, his prediction much higher than what really happened. Today the modelers have switched to supercomputers, each costing 50 million plus, and there are dozens of them because of the billions that are spent for “climatre research.” And model software sports million-line code. They have now had 26 years to polish these models since Hansen first came out with them and you would think that by now they would have a pretty good grip on what the climate is doing. But no such luck – their predictions are no better thsan Hansen’s originals were and sometimes much worse. All you need to convince yourself of this is to look at some CMIP5 outputs. When it comes to modelling the current warming pause they all completely fail because their code demands warming when there has been none for 17 years. It is time to admit that climate modeling does not work and shut it down. It is no damn good and a waste of hundreds of millions of dollars of research money. Their only output is wrong climate predictions, passed off to governments as latest scientific facts.
So, who is Anthony Watts, who is active 24 hours a day? Does he exist?
[ Apparently you were too impatient and missed the previous comment on the other thread, so here it is again:
REPLY: Oh I indeed exist, and I use something called SCHEDULED PUBLISHING to post stories overnight and sometimes during the day. – Anthony ]
So do the models get ANYTHING right?
Do any of the models agree exactly? No? Then —at a minimum— 24 of them must be wrong. No one model has a better than 4% chance of being right. Odds are quite good that all 25 are wrong.