Guest essay by Nancy Green
At the close of the 19th century physics was settled science. The major questions had been answered and what remained was considered window dressing. Our place in the universe was known:
We came from the past and were heading to the future. On the basis of Physical Laws, by knowing the Past one could accurately predict the Future.
This was the Clockwork Universe of the Victorian Era. We knew where we came from and where we were going. However, as often happens in science, this turned out to be an illusion.
A century before, the double-slit experiment had overturned the corpuscular theory of light. Light was instead shown to be a wave, which explained the observed interference patterns. However, Einstein’s 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect turned the wave theory of light on its head.
We now accept that Light is composed of particles (photons) that exhibit wave-like behavior. Each photon is a discrete packet of energy (quanta), determined by the frequency of the wave. What Einstein did not envision was the implications of this discovery, which led to the famous quote, “God does not play dice”.
But as it turns out, with our present level of understanding, God does play dice. Consider the dual slit light experiment. What does it tell us about the nature of our universe when we view light as particles?
In the dual slit experiment, light from point A is shone towards point B. What we find is that the individual photons will go through slit 1 or slit 2 to reach point B, but there is no way to determine at Point A which slit (path) the photons will choose. And equally perplexing, there is no way to determine at Point B which path the individual photons will arrive from. Relabeling the slits as paths we have:
This property is not confined to light; it can also be recreated with other particles. The implications are profound. Point A has more than one possible future, and Point B has more than one possible past. Rearranging our double slit experiment so that A and B coincide with the Present, we end up with:
Which we can simplify:
Our Victorian Era picture of one future and one past is no longer correct. Our deterministic view of the world now becomes probabilistic. Some futures and some pasts are more likely than others, but all are possible. Our common sense notion (theory) of one past and one future does not match reality, and when theory does not match reality, it is reality that is correct.
Now you may say, well that may be true for very small particles, but surely it doesn’t apply to the real world. Consider however, that in place of a particle, we used you the reader.
Let point A be your office and point B your home. Some days you will travel from the office to home via path 1. On other days however, maybe you need to go shopping first, or meet friends, or your car may break down, or any number of activities may require you to take path 2 to reach home. So you take path 2.
For all intents and purposes your behavior mimics the behavior of a particle. An outside observer will not be able to tell which path you are likely to take. To an outside observer your “free will” is no different than the behavior of the particle. To the observer the reason for both behaviors is “unknown” or “chance”. It cannot be determined, except as a probability.
Chaos is routinely discussed when considering models. What does our double slit experiment tell us about Chaos?
Consider that instead of starting at point A, we start at A1. A1 is a microscopic distance along the path from A to P1. Or, instead we start at point A2, which is a microscopic distance along the path from A to P2.
From geometry, A1 and A2 will be an even smaller distance from each other than they are from A. They are less than a microscopic distance from each other, yet they lead to different futures. At A1 you can only travel to P1. At A2 you can only travel to P2. Thus with a less than microscopic difference in “initial values” we get two different futures, neither of which is wrong.
But wait you say, ignoring that P1 and P2 are in A’s future, they both lead to the same future. They lead to B. But in point of fact, B is only one possible future. We purposely kept the diagram simple. Reality is more complex. From points P1 or P2 the particle may travel to a whole range of futures. (thus the interference pattern of the double slit experiment).
And this is what we see when trying to forecast the weather or the stock market. Very small differences in the values of A1 or A2 quickly lead to different futures. All the futures are possible; some are simply more likely than others. But none are wrong.
Climate Science and the IPCC argue that climate is different. Because climate is the average of weather, we should be able to average the results of weather models and arrive at a skillful prediction for future climate. However, does this match reality?
Climate science argues that future climate = (C+D+B)/3, where 3 = number of models.
However, climate is not the average over models. Climate is the average over time. Thus:
If we arrive at B via path 1, then climate = (A+P1+B)/3, where 3 = elapsed time
If we arrive at B via path 2, then climate = (A+P2+B)/3, where 3 = elapsed time
Since P1 <> P2, even though we have arrived at the identical future B, we have two different climates, none of which resemble the IPCC ensemble model mean. And this only considers future B.
Futures C and D are also possible, with different probability. We will arrive at one, but there is no way to determine in advance which one. Thus for a single starting point A, there is an infinite number of future climates that are all possible. Some are simply more likely than others.
Thus the failure of climate models to predict the future. The IPCC model mean predicts B, simply because it happens to be in the middle. However, this is simply accidental. As the “Pause” demonstrates, nature is free to choose C, B, or D, and in the real world nature has chosen D. As a result the models are diverging from reality.
In reality the models are attempting an impossible task. There are not simply 3 futures and are not simply 2 paths; there are for all intents and purposes an infinite number of futures, and an infinite number of paths. All are possible.
Some futures are more likely, but that is simply God is playing dice. We are not guaranteed to arrive at any specific future, thus there is nothing for the climate models to solve. They are being asked to deliver an impossible result and like Hal in 2001 they have gone crazy. They are killing people by cutting life support via energy poverty.
HAL: “The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error”.
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Breathtaking! Thank you thankyouThankYouTHANKYOU for putting my thoughts into words.
This is the best statement of the n-Body problem, the simplest and most coherent, from the perspective of Quantum Mechanics, that I have ever read. AND invoking basic Chaos Theory! And I had to pay almost $300 for my copy of Unified Field Theory!!
Beautiful! Just gorgeous!!
I disagree with probabalistic reality. Whenever I see someone claim that determinism is lacking, my response is that it is always the case, in the end, that human’s ability to understand is what’s lacking, and probabilistic models are advanced to explain out of ignorance rather than knowledge of reality. Probabilities explain nothing and are clung to by folks who facetiously believe that if they can’t see the deterministic causes, they must not exist. That’s called gigantic egoism. Or just mental laziness. The human mind , as we can all clearly see, is not particularly impressive as a thinking organ.
Oh, and saying what many of us have been saying for a long time now: the use to which the IPCC and it’s cohorts of “scientists” promoting AGW is on a par with TV News commentators interviewing each other about “what it all means” when they don’t have any real information to report. So they draw guesses from each other, and that becomes the news… So a group of programmers program everything they can think of into a group of programs mean to simulate the real world’s climate.
The claim that by averaging the results, we know anything more about the real world than our guesses and assumptions going into the programs themselves is sheer fallacy. It is nothing but a computerized circular argument.
Again, beautiful! Thank you!
@ur momisugly Col Mosby:
Not to “ring and run” because I’m not long for this thread, but I cannot agree with you about your rather sour assessment of the human mind, simply because there are people who don’t agree with you. The very range of excuses that people come up with to rationalize the lack of warming over the last 17 years is an impressive exercise of thought—-put to silly purpose, but still, impressive, from a certain perspective. And the theories you disdain are incredible edifices of thought. And the fact that we use probabilities to describe a thing is the other side of the coin your claim that we simply don’t understand the deterministic causes. You’re correct. Have you ever seen an electron? Held a photon? Can you comprehend the sub-atomic particle we call a quark? Or the characteristics we call spin? Do you think of it as a very very small marble, perhaps?
The human mind is an incredible miracle. Even yours, closed as it appears to be.
I’m honestly sorry I can’t stay to debate you, perhaps another time. I’m sure others will take it up. I mean you no disrespect and say none of this with sarcasm; I simply disagree with your assessment: both regarding the probabalistic nature of physics, and your assessment of the human mind—
Be well…
In response to Einsteins “God does not play dice.” Bohrs response was “God can do what he likes.
That we cannot, yet…or perhaps ever, predict the behavior of everything in the Universe, does not mean it cannot be predicted at all.
Interesting essay. For some insights into deterministic chaos see: Does God Play Dice? The New Mathematics of Chaos by Ian Stewart.
There’s something awry with the argument here. It’s reasoning by analogy. Complex macroscopic phenomena are not the same as quantum-level particles. I suspect neither mechanics nor probability can easily describe climate dynamics. But I will leave it to more erudite commenters to explain why.
/Mr Lynn
This topic reminds me of one of my favorite quotes by William Gibson, in “Pattern Recognition”
( here he is referring to our cultural future, but the problem is much the same)
[W]e have no idea, now, of who or what the inhabitants of our future might be. In that sense, we have no future. Not in the sense that our grandparents had a future, or thought they did. Fully imagined cultural futures were the luxury of another day, one in which ‘now’ was of some greater duration. For us, of course, things can change so abruptly, so violently, so profoundly, that futures like our grandparents’ have insufficient ‘now’ to stand on. We have no future because our present is too volatile. … We have only risk management. The spinning of the given moment’s scenarios. Pattern recognition.
Hubertus Bigend, Pattern Recognition, pages 58–59.
I think the concept of emergent phenomena is a better explanation of why the computer models are not working. If the model does not properly include all the phenomena relevant to the process being investigated — perhaps because we have inadvertently overlooked some of them or do not understand all of the important cause-and-effect relationships between them — then the model cannot possibly be reliable.
Stephen Hawking at: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking
“So Einstein was wrong when he said, “God does not play dice.” Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can’t be seen.”
Col Mosby says:
March 11, 2014 at 8:28 pm
I disagree with probabalistic reality…and probabilistic models are advanced to explain out of ignorance rather than knowledge of reality. Probabilities explain nothing and are clung to by folks who facetiously believe… Or just mental laziness. The human mind , as we can all clearly see, is not particularly impressive as a thinking organ.
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Ok, so we now have the gift of your personal philosophy. Thank you.
This is a science blog…without an articulated theory, and some data to demonstrate it represents reality as predicted by your theory, you have bupkiss. Zippo. Nadda. Nothing.
Quantum mechanics still rules (it may not rule forever, but your “philosophy” didn’t even put a dent in it).
“At the close of the 19th century physics was settled science.” That’s a myth. There is no evidence that Kelvin said that “There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement”. Physicists knew they couldn’t reconcile Newton with the constant speed of light. When Einstein showed up, he was rapidly accepted. That’s because physicists were scientists. There’s no comparison between them and the climate change nuts.
So the basis of chaos theory is explained by physics? – or does it have an axiomatic mathematical foundation?
The author should review the concept of ergodicity.
Mark
I am sure God knows all about it… Not like us mere humans!
Not even wrong.
Models are averaged not because it makes sense.
Models are averaged not because it is statistically justified
Models are averaged not because it physically represents something.
Models are averaged because the average is closer to observations than any single model.
It is a practical hack. Like renormalization. Except its nowhere near as good as that hack.
The climate models particularly funded and publicized are matched to a hockey stick rewritten version of temperature history plus false custom-fudged aerosol forcing histories used as a fudge factor.* They don’t fit the actual past, so of course they can’t fit the future either.
Any true scientist not passing through the dishonesty filter, by heavily speaking out against such, would be an ostracized skeptic, so those models are made by activists always giving the activist-desired warming prediction, consequentially diverging from reality later.
However, to the degree solar activity could be predicted (guessed), the climate future could be predicted approximately in decadal scale, not by averaging X activist models but better by 1 decent one.
(Some illustrations of revisionism and what can be seen without it are in my usual http://img213.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62356_expanded_overview3_122_1094lo.jpg ).
Climate Models are inherently useless. See
The IPCC models are doubly useless being structurally wrong with the built in assumption that CO2 is the main climate driver.
It is well past time for climate scientists to abandon their pipedreams and base their forecasts on a different method.
For forecasts of the timing and extent of the coming cooling based on the 60 and 1000 year periodicities in the temperature data and the neutron count as the best proxy for “solar activity” see several posts at
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com
Just because we cannot determine an outcome does mean that chance is the determining factor. A particular photon will only do one thing and it will do that because of the net effect of the complex vectors that will interact with that photon, the context if you will. We cannot determine the outcome of a photon because if we focus on the photon we loose site of the context and if we look at the context, we loose visibility of the photon. At the speeds we are dealing with any attempt to go from the context to the specific wil be too late and the context will have changed again. It only seems random because we cannot perceive the causality factors in the time frames required to predict the outcome before it has occurred.
Given this limitaton we have gone to probability to make some sense of the outcomes we perceive. It is a rational way of dealing with the problem, but that does not mean that anyone is throwing any dice to determine outcomes.
Col Mosby says:
March 11, 2014 at 8:28 pm
………..The human mind , as we can all clearly see, is not particularly impressive as a thinking organ.
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Apparently.
wbrozek says:
March 11, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Stephen Hawking at: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking
“So Einstein was wrong when he said, “God does not play dice.” Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can’t be seen.”
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That was back when Hawking believed in black holes. Times change.
Therefore there is no such thing as a nuclear power plant, a DVD, gene therapy, etc, etc.
Sorry but this essay is not enlightening in a fundamental way. I do not doubt that the models are inadequate. If they were adequate, then over the years they would have converged more than they have.
That the models are not evidence that modeling itself is the wrong way to proceed. Maybe the climate can never be modeled or maybe the models we have got so far have got the wrong values for key parameters, or maybe where some variables are now parameterized they must instead be simulated.
What needs to be proposed for us to abandon modeling is for some other approach to be proposed and adopted that will be more productive. Otherwise, the modelers will proceed to refine their models because there is no other way to proceed.
My criticism of the models is somewhat different. I criticize the modelers and the funding agencies because the funding agencies have funded modelers who propose to prove the theories that the funding agencies want proven. If modelers were objective scientists exploring the unknown in an unbiased manner, they would not be funded..
Frederick see my post at 9:34 above for a better way to proceed- simple, reasonable, transparent, inexpensive ,testable in a fairly short time frame and likely skillful – therefore unlikely to appeal to the climate science establishment establishment – fewer jobs for the boys.
Very interesting. We could argue that photons do not exist, as some are inclined to do.
Donning my coyote headdress, prancing, rattling my gourd, I want to say that chaos is not God playing dice. It is simply what we do not understand.
When some clever person designs another experiment or computational bandwidth increases to a point where the photon trajectories can be parsed between the two slits based on prior interactions, it will no longer be chaos.