The Antarctic ‘research’ fiasco – ‘would you, could you, in a boat’?

This will be a top “sticky” post for awhile since interest is high – new stories will appear below this one – Anthony

UPDATE: Josh channels the boat people

UPDATE2: Another irony is discovered, this one doubly deep.  See update 2 below.

UPDATE3: see WUWT and Weatherbell help KUSI-TV with a weather forecasting request from ice-trapped ship in Antarctica Akademik Shokalskiy

UPDATE4: AMSA: Helicopter rescue of Akademik Shokalskiy likely to commence shortly

(It’s off again, then now its on again, with report the helicopter has landed)

UPDATE5: All the passengers (tourists and scientists) are off the ship

UPDATE6: Tough questions need to be asked

UPDATE7: Trouble on the rescue ship – reaching open water not so easy

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Former Akademik Shokalskiy has been renamed in Al Gore’s honor. Satirical image by: Ollie Cromwell @TheRedRag on Twitter

As we reported previously on WUWT here and here, the saga of the “climate scientists/tourists trapped in ice” continues to fascinate many. Now a second ship has given up on rescue, after the Chinese ship “Snow Dragon” gave up two days ago. The Aurora Australis has abandoned rescue of the trapped Russian “research”vessel in Antarctica and a helicopter evacuation in now being ordered. This episode has taken on a heightened comedic fiasco-like quality.

Now, with such a fantastic failure in full world view, questions are going to start being asked. For example, with advanced tools at their disposal (that Mawson never had) such as near real-time satellite imaging of Antarctic sea ice, GPS navigation, on-board Internet, radar, and satellite communications, one wonders how these folks managed to get themselves stuck at all. Was it simple incompetence of ignoring the signs and data at their disposal combined with “full steam ahead” fever? Even the captain of the Aurora Australis had the good sense to turn back knowing he’d reached the limits of the ship on his rescue attempt.  Or, was it some sort of publicity stunt to draw attention? If it was the latter, it has backfired mightily.

One might argue that with photos like the one below, this whole “Spirit of Mawson” research expedition, is little more than a media stunt.

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Source: [ http://twitter.com/GdnAntarctica/status/412977161323036672 ]

Even after the ship was trapped, these reporters still had a party like atmosphere going on:

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Source: [ http://twitter.com/GdnAntarctica/status/416881634273525761/photo/1 ]

Yesterday, Andrew Revkin tweeted something that I agreed with, especially since so many of the people trapped in the ice on the ship seem to have a nonchalant, almost partly-like atmosphere going on.

Yes, the cost and risk is significant. These folks trapped on-board don’t seem to be cognizant of that issue, following the #spiritofmawson Twitter feed, it’s like watching reports (with pictures and video) from a high school class party.

And here’s the kicker. Even the public saw through the charade at the beginning. Trying to get crowd funding from the public for this trip failed miserably as this Indigogo campaign shows:

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Source: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-return-to-mawson-s-antarctic-hut-the-home-of-the-blizzard

Maybe it had to do with the ridiculous image of Professor Chris Turney in full cold weather gear standing in the midst of a tropical forest.

Right after the ship got stuck and there was a realization that the world was watching, one scientist on-board, Dr. Chris Fogwill, of the University of New South Wales, decided that it would be an opportune time to hit the public for money again:

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Source: http://www.spiritofmawson.com/

And again, the public has seen through this, and today, the campaign remains stuck at $1000 with just a few donors. People are realizing that there’s no real science being done on this trip, and that it seems to be little more than a chartered party boat for Antarctic enthusiasts and media.

Now, with the ship to be evacuated via helicopter, will the Akademik Shokalskiy join the list of recent ships that have been sunk in Antarctic waters?

Ships that have sunk in Antarctic waters in recent years (h/t to David Archibald)

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The Brazilian yacht “Endless Sea” sank in Maxwell Bay, Ardley Cove on Saturday 7th April, 2012. It was used for “scientific and educational expeditions”.

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The sunken remains of the 76-ft Mar Sem Fin, aka “Endless Sea”, which sunk on April 7, 2012, lies at a depth of about 9 meters (30 ft) in Ardley Cove, Antarctica.

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In November 2007, the Linblad Explorer hit sea ice and sank.

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In April 2013, the Chinese factory fishing ship Kai Xin caught fire and sank near Bransfield Strait at the Antarctic Peninsula.

And there are others, these are just a few recent ones.

With so much concern for the pristine environment of Antarctica, one wonders how much environmental damage these sinkings are doing.

And when the trip is nothing more than a party for your friends and media, disguised as a “scientific expedition”, one wonders if there shouldn’t be some moratorium on such trips.

Richard Tol summed it all up nicely with one sentence:

UPDATE:

The #spiritofmawson hashtag is now getting competition from the hashtag #ClitanicDisaster in honor of the trapped climate scientists that the MSM won’t mention as being climate scientists.

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UPDATE 2:

reader Aphan writes on 2013/12/31 at 7:16 pm

I don’t know if anyone was posted this yet, but the IRONY just gobsmacked me.

The British “explorers” on board the MV Explorer who were “commemorating the Spirit of Shackleton” found themselves repeating HIS adventure when their ship struck a piece of submerged ice and then SANK in the Antarctic in November of 2007! None of the passengers or crew were lost. But HOW AMAZING is it that both the “Spirit of Mawson” trip AND the “Spirit of Shackleton” cruise trips ended in disaster from sea ice?????

http://www.jamescairdsociety.com/shackleton-news-104519.htm

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/news/explorer-sinks-antarctica.html

I mean…come on. What are the odds?

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  1. One of the most striking features of these activist jollies for me is just how woefully unprepared for the worst they all seem to be. And I mean this to the point of frightening ignorance. The Guardian/BBC journalist Alok Jha for example, describes in graphic detail what happened to his hand when he exposed it to the elements outside “to type an email”. His surprise at how quickly he started to lose the use of his hand is absolutely evident. Has he never heard of frostbite?

    But then what should we expect from a bunch of people who are presenting the image of partying it up, tweeting pictures of them setting up a “media hub” whilst at least four crews are desperately working out how to save them?

  2. I wonder how much volume their sewage holding tanks can hold, and whether they’re going to have to start dumping straight into the ocean.

  3. @John Frguson says:December 30, 2013 at 10:09 am: “And yet they have the gall to say they’re trapped in the ice because of global warming.”

    Apparently Prof. Turney believes global warming has melted all the ice, boiled the seas, and that’s the ocean bed he’s sitting on.

    Expect photoshops turning the white ice brown.

  4. It was on 11th Dec that the Beeb’s resident pessimist, Jonathan Amos, reported:-

    “Esa’s Cryosat mission detects continued West Antarctic ice loss”

    “The dedicated polar mission finds the region now to be dumping over 150 cubic km of ice into the sea every year. It equates to a 15% increase in West Antarctica’s contribution to global sea level rise.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25328508

    How high must the global sea level have been in 1912, when Mawson walked on the ice-free shoreline of Commonwealth Bay?

  5. Once they are home safe and sound, I will mock them ceaselessly. I will also be watching to see who gets stuck with the rescue bill. Better not be the taxpayer.

    Not a huge fan of Revkin, but I am glad he is concerned about the cost incurred and who is on the hook for it.

  6. Somewhere far, far to the south where it is summer, a group of global warming scientists are trapped in the Antarctic ice. If you missed the irony of that situation, it is because much of the mainstream media has glossed over that rather inconvenient bit of hilarity. As an example here is an Associated Press story that avoids mentioning the real mission of the scientists aboard the icebound Russian ship:

    The Snow Dragon icebreaker came within 7 miles (11 kilometers) of the Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy, which has been stuck since Christmas Eve, but had to retreat after the ice became too thick, said expedition spokesman Alvin Stone.

    The Akademik Shokalskiy, which has been on a research expedition to Antarctica, got stuck Tuesday after a blizzard’s whipping winds pushed the sea ice around the ship, freezing it in place. The ship wasn’t in danger of sinking, and there are weeks’ worth of supplies for the 74 scientists, tourists and crew on board, but the vessel cannot move.

    So what was the exact mission of these scientists? AP is rather vague about this reporting only:

    The scientific team on board the research ship — which left New Zealand on Nov. 28 — had been recreating Australian explorer Douglas Mawson’s century-old voyage to Antarctica when it became trapped. They plan to continue their expedition after they are freed, expedition leader Chris Turney said.

    Um, there is a bit more to the expedition than merely following in the footsteps of a century-old voyage. But what that mission really is, AP won’t say. If AP is vague about the mission’s purpose, Reuters provides even less information.

    Since the MSM isn’t forthcoming as to the real purpose of those scientists traveling to Antarctica, we turn to Whats Up With That for more insight:

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/12/28/msm-glosses-over-irony-global-warming-scientists-trapped-antarctic-ice#ixzz2oz4kVEjf

  7. Will this fiasco induce the BBC and the Guardian think twice, before continuing to push the CAGW theology so enthusiastically? I think not: but how many more PR disasters can the religion take?

  8. Difficult to read the Grauniad article with a totally straight face, but it includes some interesting analysis of why the ice is so bad.
    And credit where credit is due, the expedition has collected some relevant data towards its aim of evaluating how conditions in the area have changed since 1911, even if they can’t bring themselves to admit that their observations don’t fit the AGW model they expected to prove.
    But there is one “no change” box they probably can tick: I don’t suppose Mawson’s expedition had bananas or peanuts either…

  9. How long till they run out of diesel, and have to start burning their personal electronic devices for fuel?

    At least they’d be quieter…

  10. It is all so exciting being on a ship caught in the ice of Antarctica(!!), even if it is by the ice that isn’t supposed to be there! I’ll always remember it! My bit for Global Warming! Reality is very bracing, what?

  11. When a group of true believers gathers together their beliefs are generally reinforced by the consensus group think and become more extreme. As the days pass on this Antarctic ship of fools the cognitive dissonance between their delusions and reality must be increasing rapidly. It will be interesting to see if the herd instinct is able to preserve their faith or will some of them more or less flip out and literally go bonkers. See eg http://www.theguardian.com/science/antarctica-live/video/2013/dec/30/antarctica-live-video-diary-trapped-ice-missing-milkshake-video

  12. “I wonder how much volume their sewage holding tanks can hold, and whether they’re going to have to start dumping straight into the ocean”.
    They would get frostbitten a***s to add to there woes!

  13. I dunno, I suppose Google or the NSA might know, we might have to do something about rescuing them…when they start trying to look up the nutritional content of ‘Alok Jha’.

  14. Question:

    What do you call a ship load of trapped Global Cooling Deniers who are in danger of freezing to death?

    Answer:

    A good start!

  15. While the ship’s brochure points out that “Views are excellent from the large, open decks and the Navigation Bridge’” maybe they couldn’t see the ice coming from the vantage point of the “Lounge and bar, open late afternoon and evening with a wide selection of wines and spirits” (an essential feature of all scientific research vessels).

    This is just the start of the Southern Hemisphere doom…

    http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/time-to-recognize-approaching-southern-hemisphere-disaster/

  16. On the BBC radio news this afternoon, apparently they are sending helicopters to pick up the crew and passengers, the inference being that the ice is starting to crush the hull.
    One question I would like an answer to is how did the icebreaker that went to rescue them only get to seven miles from them? Presumably they would have plotted the shortest ice-free route, there must be at least 49 square miles of ice several yards thick!! This would imply that the temperature must have dropped substantially to create this amount of ice. This temperature drop has not been mentioned in any of the reports I have read/heard.

  17. It’s interesting to note that its the peak of summer down there and the ice is increasing not receeding. Maybe they should start studying Gobal Cooling!

  18. Advice to expedition leader Chris Turkey: whatever you do, don’t go for an outdoor pee
    [snip – this Youtube video is pointless -mod]

  19. When interviewed a few days ago Turney said they had two weeks of food before they had to go to rations.
    If I was a penguin I’d move away. After a few weeks grilled penguin will start looking nice even to a greenie.

  20. Thanks for that Dr Norman Page and …

    Guardian video producer Laurence Topham posts a short diary account of how he and his colleague Alok Jha are passing the time on board the Akademik Shokalskiy, which is trapped in heavy sea ice off the coast of Antarctica awaiting rescue by the Autralian icebreaker Aurora Australis

    Reminiscent of Sgt. Pinback’s video logs on Dark Star!

    I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if they would only recognize it. Today over lunch I tried to improve morale and build a sense of camaraderie among the men by holding a humorous, round-robin discussion of the early days of the mission. My overtures were brutally rejected. These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said “happy birthday” to me. Someday this tape will be played and then they’ll feel sorry.

  21. “It’s fantastic – I love it when the ice wins and we don’t,” said expedition marine ecologist Tracy Rogers. “It reminds you that as humans, we don’t control everything and that the natural world – it’s the winner here. We’ve got several penguins watching us, thinking ‘what the hell are you doing stuck in our ice?’. The sky is a beautiful grey – it looks like it wants to have a bit of a snow. It’s the perfect Christmas, really.”

    I love it when nature wins too. But, unfortunately, she still has a way to go to beat these jokers arrogance.

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25519059

  22. Assuming temperature symmetry between the hemispheres, I’m wondering what implications this might have on Arctic ice growth this coming summer.

    Are we seeing ice expansion in the Antarctic in December?? Wouldn’t that be unprecedented?

  23. Too bad the ‘Mighty Mac, is no longer in service. Built in 1944, the Coast Guard Cutter Mackinaw broke ice across the Great Lakes until its retirement in 2006, and a formidable but friendly beast it was. At 290 feet long it had a substantial girth of 74 feet with which to clear lanes through the ice on Lake Superior, Michigan, and others, so the massive ore ships could get through. It used no less than six 10 cylinder Fairbanks Morse Diesel engines. These 2 cycle Diesel engines used 2 opposed pistons in each cylinder, each operating a crankshaft throw at both the top and bottom of each engine; the two crankshafts geared together. Each pair of engines was in its own watertight compartment, and each pair produced 3,500 hp: total power; 10,500. The engines turned generators and the three propellers (two stern, one bow) were driven by electric motors. Among the icebreakers on the Lakes the most capable ones had bow propellers and the Mighty Mac had one. The bow propeller could be used, in reverse to make a pressure wave to break up forward ice, or, to assist the ship in its forward motion. With a top, open water speed of a respectable 18.7 knots it’s even possible the Mighty Mac could get through the St. Lawrence Seaway and down to Antarctica in time to rescue these foolish, hubris infected, irresponsible people. A testimony to its capabilities was its continuous 62 years of wintertime service on the Great Lakes, one of which was considered threatening enough to inspire Gordon Lightfood’s lyrics; “Superior it’s said, never gives up her dead.”

  24. Michael Ronayne says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Question:

    What do you call a ship load of trapped Global Cooling Deniers who are in danger of freezing to death?

    Answer:

    A good start!
    _______________________________

    Q: What do you need if you find a shipload of Climate Numpties, stuck in the ice?

    A: More ice.

  25. The Antarctic does not suffer fools easily. The conditions there can change so quickly and are never less than deadly. These happy idiots are a liability and have achieved a very high nuisance value. Some other poor coot will have to put his life at risk to get them out of their ill-conceived, ill-planned and ill-informed predicament. At least they have plenty of ice for the drinks, while the bar has supplies.

  26. Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
    The climate change movement is falling apart and ending in farce, as this “scientific expedition” shows. BTW, click through for photos of ships sunk in the Antarctic in recent years. Maybe we should worry about the ecological damage incompetent visitors are doing.

  27. Good post…I was going to write up something in those lines but this says it all. This is Spring Break by some who never grew up. They think they’re so cool and hip, when actually they’ve made a mockery of the scientific industry. They took a 50 million dollar vessel and are now on the verge of trashing it like out-of-control brats at a Project X party.

  28. “The @GdnAntarctica winter men’s clothing catalogue has just arrived …”

    But it’s summer down there!

  29. Too foggy today for the one helicopter from the Xue Lang – which cannot land on the deck of the Aurora Australis. They may have to wait another day or two. The cost of the rescue is expected to be in the “multi-millions” by SMH. Looks like a skeleton crew of 17 will be left on board after the tourists/pilgrims are taken off.
    “When the rescue does take place, Shokolskiy passengers would likely be taken by the Xue Long’s helicopter to the Chinese icebreaker. The Aurora’s barge would then move passengers from the Xue Long to the Australian icebreaker”. — SMH.

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/akademik-shokolskiy-rescue-delayed-by-bad-weather-20131231-303i3.html#ixzz2ozG3fT2H

  30. Had a quick glance at SkS to see how they were dealing with it. Wonderful – a cartoon of a ship sailing towards an iceberg, followed by all is well, no problem, the iceberg has melted! How not apposite! Congratulations, SkS on your impeccable timing! Yes I know it was meant to be the Arctic Ocean – you know, the one that became completely ice-free this year, but even so …

  31. Mark Steyn is sitting in for brother Rush today, and he was concerned they might be stuck in the ice for years, especially if our efforts at preventing global warming begin to take effect. What would they do for food? Who would be the first on the menu? The tourists, the Gruniad reporters, or the climate scientists?

    The R.S. Donner Passkiya.

    The Chinese icebreaker is stuck. What are the Chinese doing with an icebreaker? Maybe the Russians will send an icebreaker to free the Australian icebreaker that is on the way to free the Chinese icebreaker that was on the way to free the Russian vessel.

  32. Penguins to warmists:

    “Wait a minute. You mean you didn’t bring ‘The Desolation of Smaug’? Then what the hell use are you?”

  33. In his Indiegogo video, Turney says (at about 5:35) that Commonwealth Bay has been badly clogged with sea ice limiting access for the last 3 years. Funny, that is about where they are stuck, off Commonwealth Bay.

    They know but they do not understand, their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand. They bow down to a block of wood.

  34. You have to read the Spirit of Mawson blog to understand what a bunch of clowns these guys really are.

    I liked the reference to collecting a large number of seal blubber samples – how do you do that without killing the seals? These guys are supposed to be greenies, they can’t kill seals.

  35. Why is it such a surprise the people who routinely ignore real world observation are stuck in a real world observation. I’m sure their models said the ice wasn’t there

  36. The penguins in the first photo appear to be photoshopped in. I am not sure there would be a bunch of penguins right at the location at which the ship is stuck, unless they were just having a good laugh. (I will look at later pictures for a sad polar bear, just in case the biologists aboard are as competent as the “climate scientists.”)

  37. Rather arrogant for these folks to compare themselves to Douglas Mawson, IMO. Mawson was apparently a rugged guy, but he lost two crew members and nearly died himself. I guess if no one dies in this fiasco, it proves “global warming”. “Global Warming is real and dangerous.” Okay, scratch “dangerous”. “Global Warming is real and a lifesaver!” How’s thar?

  38. This whole laughable affair creates the perfect visual image for the whole AGW movement. A bread crumb trail of icebreakers that can be followed right to the AGW research ship that was looking for evidence of global warming ice loss…

    One picture is worth a thousand words.

  39. Has anyone used the joke that they must have been predicting the weather and ice conditions using models rather than real world data? Or that Michael Mann was their forecaster?

  40. From Izvestiya (my translation)
    Hope still remains for saving (salvaging) of the Russian ship. American icebreaker “Polar Star” is sailing from Seattle to the Ross Sea, it will be able to reach the “Akademik Shokalski” in about 8-9 days.
    ( ? ! )

  41. Richard Tol @RichardTol
    There has been a strong and statistically significant upward trend in climate-change-related public-relations disasters #spiritofmawson+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Experienced, licensed sailors/captains should not partake in these stunts….I hope all turns out ok but I won’t be surprised if there are injuries and loss of life in the rescue.

  42. There is a wonderful book by Ian McEwan that captures this type of “humorous misadventure” of scientists/activists trying to save the world. It’s called “Solar” and it’s loaded with laugh-out-loud scenes reminiscent of this true life story.

    Hopefully they’ll be able to get the passengers of Akademik Shokalskiy to safety.

  43. It’s going to be easy predicting the crisis cruise of 2014. Sea-level rise in the Maldives. What could go wrong on a tropical island?

  44. ‘Scientist on trapped Antarctic ship: “Fantastic-I love it when the ice wins & we don’t.” ‘

    This says it all. This solitary quote nicely summarizes everything that’s wrong with Al Gore and his global warming crowd. Does it get any more clear that these cretins hate mankind and all of mankind’s heroic accomplishments? They are not worthy of the technology that will rescue them, the heroic men who invented it, or the brave men who will use it to save their lives. They are pathetic fools.

  45. climatereason says: December 30, 2013 at 11:24 am
    Anthony, How about WUWT offering a donation towards their rescue?
    tonyb
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Why? Australian search/rescue will take care of it….ground zero until the recent election for climate delusion…..

  46. Wonderful timing, I’m about 75% through reading The Last Place on Earth which compares the race to the South Pole by Amundsen, a savvy polar-experienced Norwegian, with the bungling Scott. A must read book and sooo entertaining to have this happening at the same time.

  47. One message that this little crew has sent loudly and clearly is that they are remarkably confused about the value of things, including their own lives and the lives of those attempting to rescue them.

  48. @tonyb – oh please! Let AL-GORE pay for their rescue of their farce of a stunt, I’m getting stuck with their bills already through increases of our incredibly expensive hydro bills. And the wankers/suppliers of our hydro here in Ontario, Can.. are still strongly shilling for more useless turbines and solar power as well as a plan to increase our costs an additional 45% in the next few years!! Do you not understand that our hydro = mtg/rent costs per month already?? It’s going to be -26C here at nights this week… and you want us to give them more of our money?? Pfft!

  49. If more modern communication systems break down, they can always resort to writing an SOS message in the snow in letters of gold.

  50. Does it get any more clear that these cretins hate mankind and all of mankind’s heroic accomplishments?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Perhaps in a next life I will be reincarnated not as a killer virus but a harsh sea and ice in the southern ocean that traps and kills global warming propagandists…….

  51. vukcevic suggests: “… don’t go for an outdoor pee.”

    Indeed, at those temperatures more shortcomings than just in the field of climatology would be revealed…

  52. “Fantastic-I love it when the ice wins & we don’t.”

    In the same position, I would wait until the losing was over before saying that.

  53. This could end poorly. The ship is being squeezed by the ice, and looks to be beginning to list to port (extra starboard side pressure would push it up and caise the post list.) Ice reinforced vessel usually means the bow area against ice flows while under way, not the flanks against a situation like this. Much will now depend on wind and sub ice sea current conditions. Neither condition sounds very good, if two breakers have had to turn back due to ice thickness, wind, and visibility problems as has been reported.

  54. “Antarctic ship passengers to be evacuated by Chinese helicopter”

    The MV Xue Long has only one Ka-32 type helicopter. Rescuing the people will not be easy as it will depend on: weather; skill of the pilot; aircraft performance & condition; and landing zone condition (assuming they can land). The rescue might take some time!

  55. I imagine these “researchers” are waiting passively for rescue while bellied up to the buffet or bar when not tweeting or face booking. Personally I always enjoyed a more active life like rugby and sailing off shore as well as the natural sciences unlike those boys and girls from the guardian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PpU8MUbHE

  56. I just don’t get their problem. Didn’t Prince Harry get to the south pole this year and it was like a cake walk, right? Hmmmm… no maybe the Prince had some problems too…. but, but, but it IS summer down there… I just don’t understand…this is a warming planet, right?

  57. @Jerry – what is says is that this individual has grown up within and assumed the supremacy of the modern industrial state that, even as he attempts to prove the need for its demolition, he cannot picture the situation wherein the ice ‘winning’ means his death.

  58. The tone of these articles makes it seem like you’re rooting for these people to drown. They’re in real danger, I hope they get rescued. After they’re safe, I’ll join in making fun of them.

  59. rubberduck says: December 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    I tried to find the webcam image from the Aurora Australis in the ice……
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Aurora was a potential and now failed rescuer inbound to ice trapped vessel…

  60. Mark says: December 30, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    The tone of these articles makes it seem like you’re rooting for these people to drown. They’re in real danger, I hope they get rescued. After they’re safe, I’ll join in making fun of them.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    What a joke. Example? Show me.

  61. Tom J says:

    December 30, 2013 at 11:03 am

    The Coast Guard Cutter Mackinac sits pier side in sight of the Mackinac Bridge in Mackinaw City, Michigan.

    131 South Huron Avenue
    Mackinaw City, MI 49701
    themackinaw.org

  62. Ode to the lost souls of good ship “Shokalski”
    Asleep under heavy dream
    profuse with horrific visions
    hardly of a choice accessible.
    With a fleeting contemplation
    of this nightmare they’re freed,
    but alas deceived of any hope
    in an even darker realm they sunk .

  63. Mark says:
    December 30, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The tone of these articles makes it seem like you’re rooting for these people to drown. They’re in real danger, I hope they get rescued. After they’re safe, I’ll join in making fun of them.
    ____________________________
    Maybe a bit, but there has been much said in these threads regarding the safety of the passengers and crew. This has gone on for days and the people aboard the unfortunate Akademik Shokalskiy keep making absurd statements.
    A little mirth and merriment is to be expected in response.

  64. Mark – “They’re in real danger”

    They are in real danger and they themselves are oblivious to it. They clearly didn’t understand the risks when they set off, nor do they now. Even worse they do not understand the dangerous situation they have put the rescuers in!

  65. While never wishing personal harm on any of them I wonder if this experience will render their accusing pointing fingers less useful.

  66. A little mirth and merriment is to be expected in response.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Exactly. These morons deserve our most vigorous ridicule AND best efforts at rescue.

  67. Rob Dawg says: December 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    While never wishing personal harm
    _________________________________-
    Sorry you’ve been bullied/shamed into thinking criticism of stupidity equals wishing others harm.

  68. Cute? Innocent? They only eat fish? Only when fish is all they have…

    When the radio aerials have iced over and no one can hear the screams, then….

    …then the penguins will come for them!

    They will find a way in. They always do…

  69. As I made mention over on JoNova’s:

    I wonder if there is a Mrs Chippy on board this ship? I hope she doesn’t suffer the fate of her predecessor. But then, Turney would need a James Caird to get him off the ice.

  70. Dobes says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Why is it such a surprise the people who routinely ignore real world observation are stuck in a real world observation. I’m sure their models said the ice wasn’t there
    ________________
    The models are accurate. Are you implying the ice really exists?

  71. I am concerned about the apparent disconnect between beliefs and reality described above: –

    “The Guardian/BBC journalist Alok Jha for example, describes in graphic detail what happened to his hand when he exposed it to the elements outside “to type an email”. His surprise at how quickly he started to lose the use of his hand is absolutely evident. ”

    Katabasis – many thanks.

    We have – to too great an extent – become urbanites, not really exposed to the weather, even. Changes in climate – the real, outside the port-holes climate, rather than that in the cyber space of the computer models – take time.
    Some are cyclic – like daily and annual changes in weather; you now, ice melting in summer.

    Like others note, there is a real risk that rescuers’ lives may be put at risk. I imagine flying helicopters in Antarctic snowstorms doesn’t please your life insurer.

    Ah, but still – per the BBC: –
    “Despite being trapped, the scientists have continued their experiments, measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice.”
    No word on the BBC/guardian types. Perhaps they’re seeing if taking your hand out of your Plar glove cools it quicker in a thirty-knot wind.

    I just hope that all ends well – not least for the rescuers.

    Auto

  72. Clay Marley says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:19 am

    In his Indiegogo video, Turney says (at about 5:35) that Commonwealth Bay has been badly clogged with sea ice limiting access for the last 3 years. Funny, that is about where they are stuck, off Commonwealth Bay.

    They know but they do not understand, their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand. They bow down to a block of wood.
    ———————
    Or they knew exactly what they were doing and this is all a big PR stunt – why else would BBC and Guardian journalists be on a scientific research vessel.

  73. Plar = Polar.
    guardian – Grauniad (although with spell-checkers they’re better now than in the 70s and 80s)
    Auto – righting [my] wrongs!

  74. It is obvious they used computer models to figure out what conditions where and then plotted their courses based on those modeled outcomes. They clearly couldn’t be bothered to check real time conditions or actually look out a window or perhaps pull up satellite data. That might have contradicted the computer models and we all know that climate scientists can only rely on computer models and not real verifiable conditions.

  75. “Fantastic-I love it when the ice wins & we don’t.” Revkin will be looking forward to the next ice age then.

    So, the Grauniard people are all Snowden, I mean icedin? Wot a shame.

    By the way of WUWT straw poll, why are there no Polar bears at the South Pole?
    The fact there are no bipolar bears makes me depressed.

  76. Or, was it some sort of publicity stunt to draw attention? If it was the latter, it has backfired mightily.

    Wonder if the insurance policy on the ship covers such nonsense; hull loss due to grand-standing on behalf of fare-paying customers. Come to think of it, this is kind of in the same category as the Italian captain who piloted the Costa Concordia cruise ship into an area he had no business being …

  77. I wonder how long they will laugh when they realise how difficult the rescue will be.

    I am sure the rescuers are not having a ball!

  78. “GlynnMhor says:December 30, 2013 at 10:16 am
    I wonder how much volume their sewage holding tanks can hold…”
    This is a major concern since the organisers and Guardianistas are so full of that stuff already.

  79. Oscar Bajner says:
    December 30, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    “By the way of WUWT straw poll, why are there no Polar bears at the South Pole?
    The fact there are no bipolar bears makes me depressed.
    ___________________________
    a) Polar bears don’t like the taste of Penguins
    b) Sea Leopards do like the taste of Polar Bears

  80. Fox News now quotes Turney as saying that “we’re stuck in our own excre. . .” Oops, pardon me! He said, “we’re stuck in our own experiment.” When and where was this experiment defined? Is the protocol posted somewhere? Who told the star-crossed voyagers that they were going to be the subjects in an experiment? Was there informed consent? I see a serious ethical boundary violation here.

  81. Oscar Bajner says December 30, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    By the way of WUWT straw poll, why are there no Polar bears at the South Pole?
    The fact there are no bipolar bears makes me depressed.

    Eaten by a voracious species of penguins who died out when they finished off all the south polar bears?

    /intended funny

  82. What’s not so funny – these media darlings put countless ships and sailors at risk for their personal narcissism alone. That is not funny. Tens of thousands of dollars squandered, thousands of man hours, wear and tear on ships and men – that isn’t funny.

  83. Alan Robertson says:

    December 30, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Michael Ronayne says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Question:

    What do you call a ship load of trapped Global Cooling Deniers who are in danger of freezing to death?

    Answer:

    A good start!
    _______________________________

    Q: What do you need if you find a shipload of Climate Numpties, stuck in the ice?

    A: More ice.

    And some bourbon.

    :)

  84. Auto says:
    December 30, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I am concerned about the apparent disconnect between beliefs and reality described above: –
    _________________
    A wise man in the Arctic once said (an I assume this can be applied as well to the Antarctic), “You loose engine heat…now you have a problem”.

  85. People are realizing that there’s no real science being done on this trip… ?

    I dunno. Seems like they are finding out (or confirming) just how stupid nominally intelligent humans can be.

  86. Like others note, there is a real risk that rescuers’ lives may be put at risk. I imagine flying helicopters in Antarctic snowstorms doesn’t please your life insurer.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Typical rescues in the southern ocean involve small private sailing vessels or same in round the world yacht races. Misfortunate due to seas/weather aside, these sailing craft are usually skippered by experienced amateur/professionals skippers.

    Here we have a bunch of global warming enthusiasts on new years holiday in the Antarctic. Next year mommy and daddy should be firm/resolute and put there foot down for English Harbor.

  87. Mike McMillan says: @ December 30, 2013 at 11:17 am

    The Chinese icebreaker is stuck. What are the Chinese doing with an icebreaker? Maybe the Russians will send an icebreaker to free the Australian icebreaker that is on the way to free the Chinese icebreaker that was on the way to free the Russian vessel.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    No it is the US ship Polar Star sent to free the Australian icebreaker sent to free the Snow Dragon sent to free SS CAGW.

    Now all we need is Elmer to sing it to the tune of ‘The Old Lady Who Swallowed the Fly’ but we can settle for If We Had Some Global Warming until he gets it recorded and up on M4GW

  88. Thank you WUWT contributors for giving me so much laughter. It is amazing how much comedic talent there is out there in blogland. The one with the comments by the Chinese crew had me in tears.

    But when this little escapade into the melting ice of the great South land, rapidly turning into a real life drama, is all over and the public start asking some questions like “why is there so much ice down there?” what is the CAGW party line going to be? My latest betting market is:

    Global warming is causing record sea ice because:

    6-4 Melting fresh water from the Antarctic continent is freezing quicker than salt water.

    5-2 Increased snowfalls with melting fresh water run off which has the same effect.

    3-1 A change in global wind patterns is pushing the ice around.

    7-2 A change in global cold water currents have all concentrated in Antarctica?

    9-2 The Ozone Hole is getting bigger.

    9-2 The Ozone Hole is getting smaller.

    9-2 Increased ocean acidity.

    9-2 Decreased ocean acidity.

    5-1 Any combination of three of the above.

    8-1 Any combination of two of the above.

    10-1 You name it.

  89. Nobody wants these people to perish.

    However, it would be just to have them endure some financial pain by being made personally liable for covering a part of the huge cost of their rescue.

    The balance should come from the deep pockets of the groups that organized this fiasco.

    It would be unjust to have the cost born by people who need to buy insurance for legitimate activities.

  90. Theo Goodwin says December 30, 2013 at 11:41 am

    One message that this little crew has sent loudly and clearly is that they are remarkably confused about the value of things, including their own lives and the lives of those attempting to rescue them.

    This brings up a question: Will they be charged for the cost of this rescue?

    Fuel, extra manpower costs, food, including a daily ‘overhead rate’ to cover the costs a rescue ship at sea incurs (maintenance escrow fund, insurance on the hull, utilities like sat comms etc)

  91. David Ball says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:24 am
    ——————————————-
    Too late. The Australian Taxpayer is already footing the bill for both the original expedition and all three rescue attempts.

  92. Prince Harry (one of the family despised by the Left) walked all the way to the Pole. These guys couldnt even raise the idea of walking 6 miles to the other icebreaker. So they just spent the good weather taking photos and waiting for the helicopter to take them where?? Another icebreaker?

  93. Nobody can find the “missing” heat from the climate but this group has found the “disappearing” Antarctic ice.

  94. This fiasco reminds me of a South Park episode (32nd – “Rainforest Schmainforest”), where a choir goes on an environmentalist tour in the Costa Rican rainforest. The objectives of the tour are, of course, to encourage awareness of nature’s frailty and to discourage its destruction by evil human interests. But the tour turns into a fiasco when the group leader gets eaten by a coral snake, the group gets lost, runs into guerilla rebels and then gets captured by hostile natives only to be rescued by construction workers who had been tearing down trees.

  95. Seems like now is the perfect opportunity for a teachable moment.
    No main stream media has reported how Antarctic sea ice levels are at historicly high levels.
    The average PBS NYT reader doesnt have a clue whats happening with sea ice.
    Perhaps some respected skeptics could do press releases.

  96. Instead of twittering the whole day, they should spare the time and read “The Home of the Blizzard”
    Quite an interesting book…understanding it might help them…

  97. Gail Combs says December 30, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    … the US ship Polar Star sent to –> free the Australian icebreaker sent to free –> the Snow Dragon sent to free –> SS CAGW.

    Now all we need is Elmer to sing it to the tune of ‘The Old Lady Who Swallowed the Fly’ but we can settle for If We Had Some Global Warming until he gets it recorded and up on M4GW

    OMG ‘The Old Lady Who Swallowed the Fly’ – GOOD IDEA … I haven’t laughed so hard for days! That was funny Gail!

    .
    .
    Muppet version

  98. #ClitanicDisaster

    I parsed that incorrectly on first reading and was seriously worried. Too many of the wrong kind of movies and pictures I guess.

  99. Morale is good…enforced gaiety, like happy clapping etc. It’s mostly spin. These passengers need to get off this ship, & it’s entirely weather dependent. It’s not a positive situation, & they cannot at this stage afford to have anything else go wrong.

  100. Man Bearpig says December 30, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Or they knew exactly what they were doing and this is all a big PR stunt – why else would BBC and Guardian journalists be on a scientific research vessel.

    How big is the bar on that ‘party barge’? Only the quartermaster (or seaman equiv) knows how well stocked it was …

    .

  101. Way back in this thread I suggested WUWT should make a donation towards their rescue. I was joking of course, but just consider the impact of the BBC/Guardian being bailed out (pun intended) by their nemesis WUWT.
    tonyb

  102. mkelly
    December 30, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    Tom J says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:03 am

    ‘The Coast Guard Cutter Mackinac sits pier side in sight of the Mackinac Bridge in Mackinaw City, Michigan.

    131 South Huron Avenue
    Mackinaw City, MI 49701
    themackinaw.org’

    Yes, and it’s now open as a museum; a perhaps fitting retirement for a well regarded workhorse and savior on the lakes. I’d love to visit it someday.

    Thanks

  103. Well I hope they’ll be buying carbon credits to make up for the CO2 ‘pollution’ from the rescuing ice breakers and the helicopter that will be picking them up. Let’s see if they put their money where their mouths are and expose them for the hypocrites they are.

  104. Katabasis says December 30, 2013 at 10:16 am

    But then what should we expect from a bunch of people who are presenting the image of partying it up, tweeting pictures of them setting up a “media hub”

    Media ‘hub’ or media ‘tub’? (Eyes are seeing one thing, the brain another …) It’s not quite clear from what I’ve read so WHAT their purpose down there was!

    .

  105. In this meme, I thought I would pass along a little tid bit I picked up while watching a doco on SBS Australia about the sun. Sunday 30 December 2013 8:30-9:30 pm Qld time.

    They did the usual things on how they think the sun works etc, then in the last 5 minutes of the show, they talked about how the solar minimum caused the little ice age in England. Then said more or less, that scientists know so little about the sun, they just don’t know how much effect it has on our weather.

    Why is this important? Well, usually they start to throw doco’s out a couple of years before they bring it into the “public” forums.

    So my simple predictions is, they will still say CO2 is the problem, but it is now exacerbated by the solar maxim / minimum. The CO2 will cause increased heat when the solar maximum is happening, and we will have excess ice buildup when the solar minimum happens.

    Hey Anthony, as you seem to be a good writer (far better than I could put out by miles), perhaps you should look at doing parody article to show this is what they will come up with, in say about 18 months, then we can all go back, have a reread and laugh at their stupidity and gullibility.

    The Infidel

  106. @Mark
    ‘The tone of these articles makes it seem like you’re rooting for these people to drown. They’re in real danger, I hope they get rescued. After they’re safe, I’ll join in making fun of them.’

    I think people are laughing in the same way they laugh at the Black Knight in Monty Python. ‘Come back its only a scratch’
    It’s a sort of ‘does this guy have any connection with reality’ type of laugh

    I hope they get out. but that does not stop me shaking my head in disbelief. and laughing in disbelief

  107. Rob Gappa says: December 30, 2013 at 10:51 am

    It’s interesting to note that its the peak of summer down there and the ice is increasing not receeding. Maybe they should start studying Gobal Cooling!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    That’s a scary thought. Before you know it there’ll be a new consensus with all 97% accounted for, and full scale junk science around it, and sorry to inform you – no room for you or any real scientist. The next IPCC will be full of nitrogen capturing plants and nitrogen tax incentives. Basically same bullshit – different pile.

  108. Don’t underestimate them. They have written many press releases, and they know that “There is no danger” really means “run for dear life”.

    With ice 4 meters thick, even if the ship sinks, they may camp on ice for quite a while. But they would miss a well supplied bar.

  109. rubberduck says:
    December 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I tried to find the webcam image from the Aurora Australis in the ice, but all I found was a day-old image showing open sea. Have I missed something, or is this just another inconvenient photo that we will never see? http://www.antarctica.gov.au/webcams/aurora

    Refresh button will fix that.

  110. Bill Illis says December 30, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    In 100 years, they’ll have another cruise to Commonwealth Bay to celebrate to “The Disastrous Turney Expedition of 2013-14″.

    Yes, running low on the passengers’ fave distilled spirits and having to re-watch the same DVDs spells disaster for any cruise director ..

    .

  111. All this trip to the Antarctic demonstrates is the mentality of those involved in the promotion of the Climate Change (Global Warming). They are in a dangerous position yet do not realise it. How many gallons of fuel has been used in this trip? Answer: heaps but that doesn’t matter!.

  112. To be serious for a change, I would like to say I hope nobody is injured or killed in this avoidable fiasco.

    I think they have vastly underestimated the real danger they are in. If the ship is crushed by ice are they equipped to survive on the ice and for how long?

    Helicopter rescue in this location is extremely risky for the casualties and even more so for the rescue crew who will have to make a number of trips – probably in conditions beyond the specification of the helicopter and impossible if the weather closes in.

    Yes, it is ironic and funny but I can see tragedy looming soon, I hope I am wrong and they get out safely.

    Yes, we can joke about the situation, but not wish harm. Can I suggest we all take care with our comments on this one (I include myself).

  113. So, no assets any where near to save Amb. Stevens and the C.I.A. guys in Bengazie.

    So, the Polar Snow job ice breaker is on the way already under orders from King Obama another true tax and spend Climate Chage , EPA bossman.

    Safe bet the msm will not ask their king any questions on the problem of the ice being thick as he tells U.S. to send our tax money (lives) to him for the CO2 fear problem.

    It is my considered opinion we sane ones will have to take control of our on ship “U.S.A.” aka take the helm as for sure these marxist mad cows will take U.S. all to an ice bound state with no food or supplies to live on with.

    They are a clear and present danger to themselves and the rest of mankind.

    Only fate can help them now, and our prayers.

  114. ps,

    The sun, the wind, the cold, the ice do not know they exist.
    They have drawn a pair of two’s.
    Fate has 4 Aces with a King of spades to spare.

    Thus they own this, the ones who chose this path of known ice and cold.

    Personal Responsibility is real.

  115. Yes, it would be good for them to get out of this and never live it down, but I would like to see them run out of alcohol and coffee and be down to dry food reserves – something to pick them up and shake them because no one else and nothing else is slapping them upside the head.

    Apart from the crew itself, these people are children living dangerously with no adult supervision, and they will play up again and again and again until they bump up against something unforgiving. They treat this as a joke with no thought for cost or inconvenience to anyone else.

    Pay for it? Them? Do you really think so? They’ll go back home and laugh about how much fun it was to ride in the helicopter.

    Is good mother Earth the only one to show backbone?

  116. As I recall the freezing point of muscadine wine is a bit below zero. I always wanted some Duplin Carolina Red popsicles, then I keep forgetting about it in winter. Muscadine wine & persimmon beer absolutely won’t cause memory loss…. but I mis-remember why…

  117. with advanced tools at their disposal (that Mawson never had) such as near real-time satellite imaging of Antarctic sea ice, GPS navigation, on-board Internet, radar, and satellite communications, one wonders how these folks managed to get themselves stuck at all.
    __________________________________________

    They are stuck for the same reason that london Heathrow had to close due to snow – they believed their own propaganda.

    With Heathrow, no manager could justify buying new snow-clearing equipment, when the BBC said the climate would warm by 6 degrees in 15 years. likewise, the scientist convinced the crew that the ice just had to be melting and rotten. So Heathrow got caught in a blizzard, and the ship got stuck. Propaganda, is a very dangerous thing, because people start living in a parallel universe.

    Incidentally, Sky and BBC reported the ship being stuck, but did not mention that it was on a Climate Research mission. They rather implied that is was merely a holiday cruise. That, is the level of propaganda we are still living under.

    Ralph

  118. They went down there to increase awareness of climate change. After years of obsession on the Arctic, they have finally broken the conspiracy of silence on what is happening at the other end of the planet.

    No matter how they try to spin it, they’re going to look pretty stupid if they claim they got stuck in ice so thick that ice breakers turned back, but that this is due to ‘global warming’.

    Whenever I explain to anyone that Antarctic ice is growing they look at me in amazement and ask me to repeat it to make sure I said what they thought they heard.

    They’ve probably brought more attention in one week to the real state of climate in the Antarctic, than WUWT has done in two years.

    The AAE mission has already attained it’s objective of increasing awareness of climate change.

    Good on ‘em.

  119. The agitators are expendable; thousands like them have been bred at journalism school and climate change courses at universities.

    I hope, though, that the sailors get through unscathed. I am also optimistic that they know best about the dangers.

  120. Questions:

    Did they (ship/party goers) purchase carbon credits/offsets prior to this incident?

    How much fuel and hydraulic oil does the ship hold? I assume that it is not wind powered.

    How much sewage does this vessel hold and is it discharged at sea?

    Although this is a Russian flagged vessel, who are the real owners and in what port does it typically reside?

  121. Does this expedition have a name?
    How about:
    “Icecapades”
    (No. Probably a copy-write thing.)
    “For Whom the Swell Froze”
    “To There And Not Back Again, An Alarmist Tale”
    “The Longest Day”
    “Ice-Nado!”

  122. No, no. no!
    I’ve been to the Grauniad website and the reason the ice sneaked up on them is that it fell off the landmass.
    You see the missing heat is attracted to the Antarctic landmass and that is causing the icecap to flow into the Ocean.
    Not got why that happens, yet – but it I’m told it’s true.

    My worry is how did the Captain fall for that sneaky icecap’s trick? Was he paid by Big Oil?

    This expedition to boldly go where no man has gone (before the 1900s) was funded by the Australian Government and they are all evil, coal-mongering empiricists, don’t you know.

  123. Perhaps they should leaf through Shackelton’s story of the loss of the Endurance, and how he saved his crew dragging long boats across the ice and sailing across stormy antarctic seas to South Georgia? In other words,

    Save yourselves!!!

  124. I suspect one aspect of the “good morale” and “party on” YouTube postings are to try to delude themselves into not facing the hazards of their situation. And likely also reassure the folks at home that things are fine, that it’s just an inconvenience.

    If they’re not going to be realistic, I’m not sure we need be so ourselves. However, it’s worth anticipating the events the boat people have not.

    Suppose the wind shifts and the ice begins to break up, there was excitement a couple days ago when some cracks appeared in the ice. However, would this lead to kilometer size chunks of ice running into each other – and the boat?

    I have no experience with trapped boats, but I bet this a real concern and one reason why the so want ice breaker assistance to get out of there.

  125. With software companies, there’s a term called “eating your own dog food” which means that you use your own products. This is normally done to promote the quality of your products. Looks like when alarmists eat their own dog food, it can cost them their lives and the lives of others trying to rescue them. Yet, they seem to be oblivious to the dangers that they represent. I hope everyone makes it back, but why do they have to seem so oblivious to what is going on around them? Oh wait, I think I just answered my own question.

  126. JohnWho says: December 30, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    Seriously, by all accounts, isn’t the Antarctic gaining ice?
    Why go there to show a loss of ice?
    __________________________________

    Again, they might not have known this. the propaganda is so great that when i spoke to a professional weatherman, he did NOT know that Antarctic ice has been increasing for years. He believed the propaganda, which said that the ice was in full retreat, and did not read the small-print, which said this retreat was only on the Antarctic Peninsular.

    So the whole mission may have been organised upon a complete misunderstanding of reality.

    ralph

  127. BBC World News reported 3 rescue ships failed rescue due to poor weather conditions.
    No mention they were ice breakers unable to break the ice.

  128. @ P Gosselin says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Good post…I was going to write up something in those lines but this says it all. This is Spring Break by some who never grew up. They think they’re so cool and hip, when actually they’ve made a mockery of the scientific industry. They took a 50 million dollar vessel and are now on the verge of trashing it like out-of-control brats at a Project X party.

    ————————
    Actually, I think they are trashing their own movement with this stunt gone wrong. They are doing more damage to the AGW meme then they can know at this point. I don’t wish anything bad to happen, but the more chaotic this situation becomes – the better for for its exposure/impact value in torpedoing the AGW cult movement.

    Its becoming a internet joke – a global warming research group stuck in an ice field they didn’t believe existed – too funny :o)

  129. I think the real story here is how biased the MSM is. They are utilising every available method to now avoid using the word ‘climate’ in the reports. It is just a ‘Russian ship’ trapped in the ice. Yet the BBC and Guardian have 5 reporters involved (yes wherever there is a BBC ‘climate change’ reporter a Guardian ‘climate change’ reporter is sure to be attached). Here is the media list

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-media/

    Who the hell is paying their salaries for this ‘jolly’ for the BBC reporters to be aboard and make every effort to not do their job and report the facts now it has gone wrong and the truth is inconvenient. Questions need to be asked in parliament the bias is so blatant and the licence fee and taxpayer is paying for these liars.

  130. silver ralph says:
    December 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    So the whole mission may have been organised upon a complete misunderstanding of reality.
    __________________________________
    This is probably the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard. Not your statement. But the fact that it may actually turn out to be true. Just unbelievable.

  131. Costa Climordia?
    Clitanic?
    Green Submarine?
    Argo Not?
    Frozeidon?
    Das Woot?
    Mary Frose?
    Mismarck?
    Santa Myass?
    USS Enterice?
    Park Royal?
    Fluenose?
    Britannice?

  132. Finnish artic expertise at its best! (Akademik Shokalskiy – built in Finland, Aurora Australis – designed in Finland) Nice continuation to our legacy (Lindblad Explorer – also built in Finland).

  133. This is a classic case of the leaders of a hazardous but successful expedition often being regarded as heroes (who triumphed over adversity), and the leaders of a failed hazardous expedition being called “foolish” or worse.
    There are guidelines that help to ensure a successful expedition :-
    1) Have a backup plan, in case the original plan fails. .. eg. Use 2 or more vehicles (or ships) in case the primary vehicle breaks down or gets stuck.
    2) Advise authorities (and others) of your intentions so that they can be forewarned of any possible rescue attempts, and remember to tell them when you have returned safely.
    3) Do not have a firm timetable. If you *have to get to a certain place by a certain day or a certain time you could easily be tempted to “cut corners” and take unwise risks that may be beyond the skills and abilities of all the party members.
    4) Be prepared to turn around and return to safety in case you encounter conditions that are beyond the party’s skills and abilities, and there are no alternative routes.
    5) Ensure that all vehicles and equipment items are suitable for the conditions that you can expect to encounter.
    6) Ensure that all drivers and operators of equipment have the necessary skills and experience.
    7) Be aware of weather forecasts, and other conditions that would affect the expedition, such as the state of roads, tracks, sea, ice, etc.
    8) Any other points that are specific to your expedition, such as wearing suitable clothing and taking the necessary safety or rescue equipment.

  134. “The dedicated polar mission finds the region now to be dumping over 150 cubic km of ice into the sea every year. It equates to a 15% increase in West Antarctica’s contribution to global sea level rise.”

    i.e. 35 cubic miles.

    There are icebergs bigger than that.

  135. GlynnMhor says: December 30, 2013 at 10:16 am
    I wonder how much volume their sewage holding tanks can hold, and whether they’re going to have to start dumping straight into the ocean.

    The way this ship is listing and raised, I wonder how their water intake line is doing. Don’t believe those marine engines work to well with out cooling water.

    Also from the first report, why didn’t they know who to call for rescue?
    AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Centre Australia (RCC Australia) was contacted by the Falmouth Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre (MRCC) in the United Kingdom on Christmas morning.

    The Falmouth MRCC received a distress message via satellite from a Russian flagged vessel, MV Akademik Shokalskiy, with 74 people about 7.20am (AEDT).

  136. re: Mark says: December 30, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The tone of these articles makes it seem like you’re rooting for these people to drown. They’re in real danger, I hope they get rescued. After they’re safe, I’ll join in making fun of them.

    I don’t agree about the tone of the articles and find not the least wrong with having a bit of fun at the expense of those being so silly about anthropogenic global warming. That said, I do hope they get rescued safely – but would be happy if it occurs AFTER they’ve had a few days on “rations” or better yet, without food or at least with a bit of serious hardship. Again, I wouldn’t wish any actual harm on any of them, but they could sure stand to learn a lesson from this, particularly considering the risk to others lives and the expenses involved in rescuing them from their own foolishness.

  137. There is quite a few things wrong with Chris Turney’s assessment of the ice-pack that has the vessel stranded.
    Turney states that it’s old multi-year ice that has them stuck, while the skipper of the Aurora says its a mixture of both one year, and older ice mixed.
    Then Turney wants to blame a glacier that broke off a few years ago, but we can view imagery of the glacier hes talking about and that looks like its still fairly intact, not melted or broken up like he suggests.
    Also, the extent of the glacier that was left after a good portion broke off, is currently still larger than the measurements made of it by Mawson a century ago.
    These guys will go to any length to make up crap.

  138. “Clitanic” sounds rather suggestive, does it not?

    We’ll all be on Santa’s naughty list if we keep going in that direction.

  139. Jo Nova has a good post up.
    The media is the story here, they are trying so hard to avoid reporting these simple facts, that they are doing full blown comedy.
    Tap dancing away form the facts, its a tourist vessel , not a propaganda voyage ,sponsored by amongst others, the media, Updates are slow to come, yet the vessel is stuffed with presstitutes.
    It is summer in the south, yet the ice is building around their trapped employees.
    The head of the “Expedition”, has a business premised on the belief that CO2 emissions are bad, yet is allowing all kinds of fuel to be burnt, to save his sorry self.
    This situation writes itself for a competent investigative journalist, the irony has saturated.
    The worlds ice is melting, yet it has now stopped all rescue attempts.
    2013 is ending on a comedic note.
    Happy New Year.

  140. Image: Research Ship “Hubris” trapped in cherry-picked ice. Transcript of first distress message: “Research ship Hubris trapped by icy representation of Nature’s indifference to climate models STOP Lack of proper planning caused by pompous certainty in own predictions STOP Microcosm of current state of climate research STOP”
    From the ships log:
    “Day 12: Invented new Reality TV show “I’m a serious climate scientist – get me out of here!”
    “Day 27: Still no sign of polar bears. Obviously all died out due to climate change. Had planned to have a team clean the ships solar panels, but there aren’t any. Now burning penguins to keep warm.”
    “Day 35: Situation critical – power limited to 23 hours a day – scientists unable to continually send out Tweets/upload videos to YouTube from our white hell. Made a snowman!”
    “Day 42: Moral low. Cheered us all up by playing our favourite game “Hide the Decline”, and planning our glorious return, lecture tours, Sunday magazine articles, glossy illustrated books, multimedia press packs, documentary series, Nobel Prize acceptance speeches, and our next major scientific expedition – surfing to the North Pole.”

  141. I really think this has a lot longer legs than Climategate did. It’s reaching a huge amount of people and a lot of news sites aren’t too sympathetic to their plight and are spelling out the irony of the whole fiasco. It will only get worse if there are accidents during the transfer or if the ship sinks.
    This is one turd that can’t be made shiny, no matter how much spin the shysters try and put on it.

  142. I was talking to a near-neighbour about the predicament of this ice-bound vessel when I discovered that he, too, was a WUWT reader and has been following this story. He’s a retired Royal Navy Commander, he served in their ‘Silent Service’ ( the subs). He has been to where the ice is, many times. He knows it only too well.
    He reckoned that a sustained wind of 6 knots or more for a day, bearing on the side of the trapped vessel, would ensure that the ice will ‘compromise the integrity of the ship’s hull’. In other words, crush it. He compares 20 miles of moving 10-foot thick ice to a mountain moving a foot a day. Nothing man has ever constructed can resist it. He is most certainly not sanguine about the survival prospects of the trapped vessel if the weather turns.
    Those on the trapped vessel should be worried. Very worried.

  143. Looks as though Dr. David Barber told them not to worry about satellite observations of growing sea ice; the ice was rotten and duping the satellites.

    I hope he is on board to see just how rotten it is.

  144. Mawson and his crew travelled inland over 300 miles on dog sled. He lost 2 of his 3 companions and returned almost 3 months later only to find the steamship Aurora had left the bay and he would have to spend another winter in Antarctica.

    From http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/01/the-most-terrible-polar-exploration-ever-douglas-mawsons-antarctic-journey/

    Mawson’s greatest fear was that he, too, would stumble into a crevasse, and on January 17, he did. By a piece of incredible good fortune, however, the fissure that opened was a little narrower than his half-sledge. With a jerk that all but snapped his fragile body clean in two, Mawson found himself dangling 14 feet down above an apparently bottomless pit, spinning slowly on his fraying rope. He could sense the sledge creeping to the mouth [of the crevasse]. I had time to say to myself, ‘So this is the end,’ expecting every moment the sledge to crash on my head and both of us to go to the bottom unseen below. Then I thought of the food left uneaten on the sledge, and…of Providence again giving me a chance. The chance looked very small as the rope had sawed into the overhanging lid, my finger ends all damaged, myself weak.

    Making a “great struggle,” Mawson inched up the rope, hand over hand. Several times he lost his grip and slipped back. But the rope held. Sensing that he had the strength for one final attempt, the explorer clawed his way to the lip of the crevasse, every muscle spasming, his raw fingers slippery with blood. “At last I just did it,” he recalled, and dragged himself clear. Spent, he lay by the edge of the chasm for an hour before he recovered sufficiently to drag open his packs, erect the tent and crawl into his bag to sleep.

    They don’t make them like that anymore.

  145. Hi Guys,

    seems nobodoy knows where the missing heat went to. But I know it! It’s here in Germany. Fifteen degrees C plus! Some flowers are starting to bloom.

    And I checked the facts: The winds are comming from the south. Last year we run out of firewood in January, so I built a new shed for more stock – but in vain: I dont need it this winter.

    My father, an experienced gardener, knows why it’s so warm: It’s because of the earthworms. They don’t like to go go down in the ground and stay short below surface. So the winter can’t come. They infected even the moles, so i see a lot of heaps on the lawn.

    Seems those animals are disturbed by global change. And because of them a lot if polar ships got stuck. Welcome to Germany, the land of the real global warming. Come here and feel warm!

  146. Great. More than 200 tons of fuel oil looks destined to be added to the already growing list of pollution.

  147. The whole charade is obviously science fiction (after all, this is the 21st century…). One beloved academic definition of SF being that it consists in the “literalization of metaphor”. This is the Ship of Fools made flesh, or metal, or whatever.
    Can we already nominate these pinheads, er, climate scientists, for the Darwin Awards? Or do we have to wait until the shoggoths have shambled down from the Mountains of Madness to snack on them?

  148. Adrian Mann says December 30, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Image: Research Ship “Hubris” trapped in cherry-picked ice.

    Would that be the SkS Hubris by any chance?

    .

  149. On the second photo down with the Guardian banner I see mention of the activists being greeted by Adelie penguins. Global warming is causing real problems for the birds. We must act now to stop that endless fast ice around ALL of Antarctica! Sheesh! Fast ice – problem, pack ice – global warming, record Antarctic sea ice extent – global warming, any low Antarctic sea ice extent – global warming, average extent – global warming / disruptivity and so on………………………….

    Guardian – 24 December 2013
    Iceberg B09B has cut off Cape Denison from the Southern Ocean and filled Commonwealth Bay with fast ice, locked to the land. “Fast ice is a problem for penguins because it’s continuous ice cover that prevents penguins from having access to the sea for feeding,” says Wilson. “If the fast ice is extensive, the parent penguins have to go much further to obtain food, that means the one left sitting on the eggs has to sit for longer, that means chicks get fed less often, that means that birds are less able to get into breeding condition before the breeding season begins.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/antarctica-live/2013/dec/24/the-penguins-of-cape-denison

    Warmists have done more environmental / biological damage to Antarctica than all the fossil fuel companies combined. Tagged penguins lose streamlined swimming skills to hunt for food, sunken boats leaking fuel and toxins into the pristine waters, garbage, human disease introduction, sewage, divers interfering with deep sea life, animal pathogens being introduced to wildlife via equipment, boots and clothing, rusting metal from sunken ships disturbing Mother Gaia deep biochemical processes and so on……………………………STAY AWAY.

    PS Earlier this year there was a paper that found DOUBLE the number of Emperor Penguins than previously thought. It’s been a good year for sceptics.

  150. Best I can find about the Akademik Shokalskiy is that it is owned and operated by Quark Expeditions which is part of TUI travel. Quark expeditions provides tours in both the Arctic and Antarctic regions. I haven’t found any names for an insurance underwriter.

    This tour sound about as scientific as my trip this morning that demonstrated the urban heat island effect. -15 F at home, -6 F at the airport, -16 F back at home, all within 90 minutes.

  151. Am I reading the name of the ship correctly? ‘Akademik Shokalskiy’ is it pronounced Academic Shock alski? There could be some ironic humour in that name

  152. WUWT says, “Now, with such a fantastic failure in full world view, questions are going to start being asked. For example, with advanced tools at their disposal (that Mawson never had) such as near real-time satellite imaging of Antarctic sea ice, GPS navigation, on-board Internet, radar, and satellite communications, one wonders how these folks managed to get themselves stuck at all.”

    Allow my Global Circulation Model to respond:
    “This was a triumph. I’m making a note here – a huge success. It’s hard to overstate my satisfaction. AGW Science. We do what we must because we can. For the the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead. But there’s no sense crying over every mistake. Now these points of data make a beautiful line…”

  153. He misses his banana and peanut shakes?

    Cash crops I believe?

    How do they get to market.?

    Look, if one can be accused of being unconsciously a racist then why not unconsciously a hipocrite?

    As an aside if we do away with the industrialised culture we have built up then it’ll be bad backs all round……

    I will mitigate my comment by saying that he does seem like a genuinely decent guy who is trying to do the right thing and means well and I just hope this whole affair causes a paradigm shift in his head when he returns…and safely.

    Ah well

    I’m posting my comment here as well as the original at the Guardian because I have little faith it won’t be stalinised there.

  154. Question: Where have all the money gone…. Those so called scholars who claims Global Warming is the reason for the ship’s prediction are they being paid by the fiction film industry or what? It’s not possible that all extra AWG taxes and collected money to “save Ice Bears” in Arctic have been used to spend on partyships? Is it?

  155. Jha shared his fingers seemed at risk because of the elements. What of his unprotected but growing nose?

  156. I wonder what the captain and crew think of these partyers. I wonder why the captain didn’t veto this stunt if he realized that it might endanger his ship.

  157. re: Will Nelson says: December 30, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Dobes says: December 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Why is it such a surprise the people who routinely ignore real world observation are stuck in a real world observation. I’m sure their models said the ice wasn’t there

    ________________
    The models are accurate. Are you implying the ice really exists?

    ROFL! Thanks so much to all for the humor… polaroids, bipolar bears, etc. Would LOVE to see the “Chinese shipmates talking” bit if someone could point me to it – I think it must have been a comment on a different but related article.

    And re: jones says: December 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm, re the posted Antarctic video diary…. OMG, talk about whining! These people really are clueless about priorities and the meaning of actual hardship. I mean, there he is sitting in a clearly heated cabin in pushed up shirtsleeves, and complaining about getting 6 hours of sleep on a mattress???!!! They are desperately in need of a real world lesson to open their eyes up.

  158. GlynnMhor says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I wonder how much volume their sewage holding tanks can hold, and whether they’re going to have to start dumping straight into the ocean.

    It obviously has to go into the oceans because these people are full of crap.

  159. As a boat owner I wonder what provisions they have on these vessels to keep the Generators running since on pleasure craft, the engines are normally cooled with raw sea water often via onboard heat exchangers through which pumps circulate anti freeze to exchange heat with the raw sea water. We know that much of the sea temperature data is measured via the raw water intake on large ships.
    One wonders if the temperature gets real low and the vessel is stranded, if there is there a risk of loosing the power from the generators which are required to keep the ship’s heating system operating because they may require cooling water. It would seem that some alternative provision is required for ships plying the Arctic and Antarctica.
    How do they cool the engines and generators.
    Re the sewerage, I would guess that they have sewage treatment plants on board which ultimately discharge overboard, but how about all the rubbish and garbage?
    Anyone familiar with how this is handled?

  160. Don’t underestimate the MSM spin machine. (E.g. the Benghazi attack caused inflammatory and hateful video, Heathrow and British Rail destroyed by the wrong type of snow, the MET office has insufficient compute resources, etc., etc.).

    Somewhere in the BBC someone is trying to figure out how to pin this on big oil…

  161. Gary P says:
    “Best I can find about the Akademik Shokalskiy is that it is owned and operated by Quark Expeditions which is part of TUI travel”

    All the ships of this class are owned by the Russian Academy of Science and most are based in Vladivostok: Some of them are on long-term leases to various western tour operators. At one time all of them were leased out, but in recent years the Academy has gradually been putting them back to uuse as research ships as the leases expire.

  162. Rhoda R,

    I wonder what the captain and crew think of these partyers. I wonder why the captain didn’t veto this stunt if he realized that it might endanger his ship

    This is an interesting question about the Captain’s competency. Was he begged and cajoled against his better instincts, did he (un)knowingly just go along, or did the Captain screw this up on his own? However it actually unfolded, this event is likely to be fatal to his career, even if everyone survives.

  163. can u believe high priestess of CAGW, Suzanne Goldenberg, made this video with Laurence Topham, who is on board, just last month!!!!

    Polar bears fight for survival as sea ice melts – video
    VIDEO: Suzanne Goldenberg and Laurence Topham ,Source: Guardian,Length: 2min 29sec,theguardian.com ,Wednesday 6 November 2013
    As winter approaches, polar bears in sub-arctic Canada begin to migrate off the tundra and head out onto the ice for the winter, where they can hunt for seals. However, climate change is delaying freeze-up, keeping the bears out on the tundra for longer – away from their main food source. US environment correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg talks to polar scientists ahead of a live Q&A from Churchill, Manitoba.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2013/nov/05/polar-bears-fight-for-survival-sea-ice-melts-video

    Guardian: Laurence Topham: Since joining the Guardian in 2008…blah blah
    Prior to this he worked as a freelance director & cameraman – making documentaries for charities in the UK, Sierra Leone and Kenya, while also editing for the BBC. In 2007 he worked for Current TV, where he edited over 50 short-form documentaries for terrestrial broadcast

    http://www.theguardian.com/open-weekend/laurence-topham

  164. ‘Stuck in our own experiment': Leader of trapped team insists polar ice is melting

    Icebergs pose an even greater danger to the ship than the surface ice that now has the ship in its grip, because they can pierce the hull of a ship like the Akademic Shokalskiy, in a Titanic scenario . Lisa Martin, of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which is coordinating rescue attempts from their New South Wales headquarters told FoxNews.com icebergs have been seen in the area.
    ‘There are icebergs around,” agreed Turney. “[The ship] is not a good position.” . . .

    Pirate Bay: Globull Warming Activist Ship Still Stuck In Heavy Antarctic Ice

    “Cute how these Warmists who hate fossil fuels take a trip to the Antarctic to show just how horrible fossil-fueled climate change is, then need rescue from their fossil-fueled trip by other fossil-fueled ships and helicopters, which still can’t rescue them”. . .
    This ship full of activists is actually blaming the increased sea ice in Antarctica on “climate change”.

  165. Here is a report from the Aurora Australis at 0900 UT, December 30 2013.

    We arrived at the Mertz at 11pm last night. The weather was too poor to attempt to do any icebreaking so deferred until 5am this morning. We were able to break though 2nm of ice to within 9.7nm of the Akademik Shokalskiy but due to deteriorating weather conditions and ice thickness we moved back to the polyna, where we remain awaiting for an improvement in the weather conditions.

    from https://secure3.aad.gov.au/proms/public/schedules/display_sitrep.cfm?bvs_id=19314

  166. clipe says:
    December 30, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Costa Climordia?
    . . . . . . .

    Gulligan’s Island?

    David Becker says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

    The penguins in the first photo appear to be photoshopped in. I am not sure there would be a bunch of penguins right at the location at which the ship is stuck,

    That’s a photo from earlier in the expedition.

    Steve from Rockwood says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:36 am

    It’s going to be easy predicting the crisis cruise of 2014. Sea-level rise in the Maldives. What could go wrong on a tropical island?

    Gilligan would know.

  167. There’s no certainty in helicopter rescue:
    “It’s now up to us three ships [the Shokalskiy, the Aurora and the Xue Long] to agree on a [rescue] strategy,” Captain Doyle said.
    While the Xue Long had a helicopter onboard, it was too heavy for the Aurora’s helideck.
    “We also can’t use the helicopter at the moment because there is no visibility,” he said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/aurora-australis-abandons-attempt-to-save-akademik-shokalskiy-in-antarctica-20131230-302na.html#ixzz2owBsS8ov

  168. 30 Dec: Indybay: The Paradox of Antarctic Sea Ice and Global Warming Denial: Research vessel trapped in ice
    by Takver – Climate IMC
    But Daniel Greenfield seems to think a ship trapped in Antarctic summer sea ice is a negation of global warming and the science involved in climate change.
    His view probably had it’s origins in the climate sceptical website Watts Up with That where Anthony Watts wrote: So much sea ice in Antarctica that a research vessel gets stuck, in summer!.
    But Mr Greenfield, or Anthony Watts for that matter, made little attempt to explain the complex science involved with understanding Antarctic sea ice…
    According to Skeptic Science article on Why is southern sea ice increasing…
    Australian Greens senator elect for Victoria Janet Rice appears in this Guardian Youtube video published 30 December 2013 from on board the Akademik Shokalski. Janet has a scientific background with her honours thesis on where lows around Antarctica were born and died. She will bring to the new Senate a perceptive understanding of climate science and the need for strong climate action.

    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/12/30/18748547.php

    the above writer’s blog. be warned:

    Takver’s Soapbox

    http://www.takver.com/soapbox/climate/

    who on earth are Climate IMC? i can’t get any of their sites to open:

    Climate IMC

    http://climateimc.org/

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  169. Aurora Australis turned back? There’s still the helicopters! But there’s a weather delay…

    That pecking on the portholes at night….just wind and ice Dr. Turney?

    The patter of webbed feet on the deck plates, are those….happy feet?

    The penguins can wait through the long Antarctic night for the feast of the New Sun. They know patience. Soon they will feast again Dr. Turney. Soon….

  170. I wonder if they plan to use no fuel for heat? After all they should be using solar and wind to provide all their energy needs for cooking, washing and heating. They are a great chance to set an example here for everyone by going green at their finest hour.

    It not like they would ever use some fossil fuel on these trips? And really, if they are politically correct then they should ask that rescues ships also not use carbon based fuels as such ships consume HUGE amounts of fuel per day.

    Perhaps they thus insist their rescue does done in a “green” way in which large amounts of fuel are not used and is respectable of their climate agenda. Only trying to suggest they practice what they preach.

    But hey, running around on a merry boat with meals cooked for you everyday going down a path planned by computer models sure sounds like a lot of fun. And hey you not only having meals cooked for you, but you likely get paid on the taxpayer’s dime for this fun and games.

  171. I say call off the rescue because the signs of climate change are all around us. It is clear to everyone that East Antarctica is hot as bollocks and there really is no ice. There is no need to rescue people who are in an open sea, unhindered by ice. Is there? Let them eat penguin from an open, summer barbecue and frolic in the warm waters of the Antarctic.. (/sarc)

  172. ‘Scientist on trapped Antarctic ship: “Fantastic-I love it when the ice wins & we don’t.” ‘
    I love it when we get to see natural selection in action.

    As far as garbage is concerned if they are not within anybody’s territorial limits they’ll probably just bag it and throw it overboard. Unless they’re really green and will pack out what they pack in…..

  173. I have seen countless people on Twitter (and elsewhere) claim that there were declining amounts of ice at the south pole and almost no ice at the north pole. I have seen countless people claim that the earth’s measured temperature has risen every year for the past 30 years. (really risen, not just Hansen’s frauds at NSA)

    How do these common people come up with these falsehoods? Why it is because the fraudsters like those on the stuck boat have fed gullible people a steady diet of CO2 doom for decades. People just like the Guardian reporters stuck on that boat in heavy ice, high winds, and deteriorating conditions in the summer time.

    So what if so many were fooled? Billions upon billions tossed away, sky high energy bills, loss of manufacturing jobs, and an ever expanding “green” bureaucracy seeking to control you and make sure you shiver in the dark — especially the poor.

    And some on this thread think we should worry about their safety? What about the reported 33,000 in the UK who died of the cold last year? Did the alarmists worry about them any at all? I don’t wish for anything other than Karma do whatever it will. I will merely observe and wonder how some men can seek to gain power and money by frightening the masses. Fracking witchdoctors did that for ages, and now we have … what? They look to be witchdoctors to me.

  174. J. Herbst says:
    December 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    “Seems those animals are disturbed by global change. And because of them a lot if polar ships got stuck. Welcome to Germany, the land of the real global warming. Come here and feel warm!”

    Just wait til February, smartass.

  175. I got stuck in ice on Lake Superior in a 1960s “Baricuda” 14 foot boat back in the 1980s, boy that is a solid boat, while fishing the wind shifted and pushed ice back to shore such that it blocked our return to the cabin. We just shoved and pushed our way with oars for two hours through the 1/4 mile of icy mess back to the cabin. I suspect this “getting trapped in ice” business is pretty common for those who deal with ice on a daily basis, like Eskimos or whatever. Ice sounds a lot worse when a motor prop is hammering on the ice, making it more of a modern man issue than primitive man issue. I suspect the warmists were just too confident in their ships abiltiy to navigate ice and get out of there.

  176. Folks, you have all missed the most important point. This scientific expedition is a huge success!

    1. It has found the missing Antarctic ice. The evidence is right there, all around them, on camera, being beamed all over the world. This is undeniable.

    2. It may also find the missing heat on the ocean bottom. That triumph could come any day now, especially if the present winds freshen. Stay tuned.

    So I say credit where credit is due. s/off

  177. They have updated the Spirit of Mawson blog, explaining the reason for their entrapment. Reason, mind, not excuse- it’s all sea ice and it’s all moving around for whatever reason, contributing to near-record levels.

    Includes a before and after satellite photo pairing. The first one doesn’t show the whole bay so we don’t know how clear it really was.

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/one-week-on/

  178. pat says:
    December 30, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/12/30/18748547.php

    _______________________
    You linked to a warmunist blog which cites (Zhang, 2013) as an explanation for why Antarctic ice is increasing. In a nutshell, Zhang, 2013 attempts to say that due to anthropogenic warming, there is more wind around the Southern Ocean and Antarctica, which blows the ice around and makes it thicker and there is plenty of first year ice, too. He got there by using – wait for it- CLIMATE MODELS.

    This is the same joker (Zhang, 2007) who claimed that Antarctic sea ice is growing because it’s getting warmer- via coupled ice model to ocean model. We discussed that epic failure of scientific reasoning in one of the other threads concerning the stuck boobs down south.

  179. SIG INT Ex said:. . . Seems there was a “party” attitude of the ‘upper class’ onboard the Titanic as well.

    Hardly. First, the RMS Titanic was a passenger liner, the largest in the world and “designed to be the last word in comfort and luxury” with a gym, pool, squash court, libraries, cafes, restaurants and opulence. Next, as a liner the Titanic was on a regular passenger-line course, from Southampton to New York. No different than a flight to Europe on a 777, nothing out of the ordinary.

    More relevant to the thread and contradicting any hint of irresponsibility, when the worst happened some of the best of humanity showed. Despite class differences, many men followed the ‘Birkenhead Drill’ to their death.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)#Birkenhead_drill

    “The ship’s band in any emergency is expected to play to calm the passengers. . .” (bandmaster, RMS Carpathia). It was no party, they all knew they would die, but did what they were hired to do: Play music.

    So here’s to those men who did their jobs, who played until the waters took them away: Bandmaster Wallace Hartley, pianist Theodore Brailey, bassist John Clarke, violinists John Hume and Georges Krins, and to cellists Percy Taylor, Roger Bricoux and John Woodward.

    They were Men. Any resemblence to the current playboys-of-climate-change is a bad hallucination and a smear on the memory of the Titanic’s band. /rant off

  180. Richards in Vancouver says:
    December 30, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    It [scientific expedition] may also find the missing heat on the ocean bottom. That triumph could come any day now, especially if the present winds freshen.”
    ______________________
    Classic.

  181. Even though the ice volume is growing there seems to be an increasing number of iceholes down there!

  182. John,

    Thank you.

    Yes, I honestly believe it was, yes.

    A cognitive paradigm shift is a painful process though…Good luck to him.

    I can’t help but warm to this guy I must confess. I mean that.

    Dunno why?

  183. By the way. Helluva capable helicopter the Russian built Kamov 32: Co-axial – great lifting capacity.

    DESIGN FEATURES: Conceived as completely autonomous ‘compact truck’, to stow in much the same space as Ka-25 with rotors folded, despite greater power and capability, and to operate independently of ground support equipment; special attention paid to ease of handling with single pilot; overall dimensions minimised by use of coaxial rotors, requiring no tail rotor, and twin fins on short tailboom; upper rotor turns clockwise, lower rotor anti-clockwise; rotor mast tilted forward 3°; twin turbines and APU above cabin, leaving interior uncluttered; lower fuselage sealed for flotation.

    FLYING CONTROLS: Dual hydraulically powered flight control systems, without manual reversion; spring stick trim; yaw control by differential collective pitch applied through rudder pedals; mix in collective system maintains constant total rotor thrust during turns, to reduce pilot workload when landing on pitching deck, and to simplify transition to hover and landing; twin rudders intended mainly to improve control in autorotation, but also effective in coordinating turns; flight can be maintained on one engine at maximum T-O weight.

    STRUCTURE: Titanium and composites used extensively, with particular emphasis on corrosion resistance; fully articulated three-blade coaxial contrarotatmg rotors have all-composites blades with carbon fibre and glass fibre main spars, ………
    ……
    POWER PLANT: Two 1,633kW Klimov TV3-117V (Ka-32) or TV3-117VMA (Ka-32A) turboshafts, with automatic synchronisation system, side by side above cabin, forward of rotor driveshaft. …… Fuel in tanks under cabin floor and inside container each side of center-fuselage; capacity of main tanks 2.180 litres; maximum capacity with two underfloor auxiliary tanks 3,450 litres……

    ACCOMMODATION: Pilot and navigator side by side on air conditioned flight deck, in adjustable seats. …… Seat behind navigator, on starboard side, for observer, loadmaster or rescue hoist operator. ….Direct access to cabin from flight deck. Heated and ventilated main cabin of Ka-32 can accommodate freight or 16 passengers……

    http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/ka-32.php

  184. What was said during the CNN interview.
    No mention what the expedition was for. No mention of climate change.
    Turney says its raining. Weather hasn’t been like this in year. They were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    blah blah blah

  185. GlynnMhor says:
    December 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    “Clitanic” sounds rather suggestive, does it not?

    We’ll all be on Santa’s naughty list if we keep going in that direction.

    Perhaps “climatanic”?

  186. @ elmer says:
    December 30, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    If they were smart they would claim victory.

    ——————
    [snip – not funny !]

  187. Mods

    My earlier comment was held for moderation and now seems to have just vanished. It would be nice to know what caused that, as it would be my first ever deleted or snipped comment here.

    What was wrong with it?

    [Reply: Found in spam folder & posted. Sometimes it’s a mystery why that happens. ~mod]

  188. I just checked the business expedition leader Turney is involved:

    http://carbonscape.com/

    They are using sawdust to make charcoal. And using this to make green steel! Or to bury it in field soil to improve fertility and to capture there the CO2 for a long time.

    And they are trying to produce a lot of bi-products like oils and combustible gases. The process is done with microwaves.

    1. Seems somehow expensive to use electrictiy for making charcoal by using microwaves and then. They could use (green) electricity directly to produce steel.
    2. Sawdust is no waste anymore. A lot of products are made out of it and there is a good market – at least in Europe. So there will be competition for those sawdust-made products.
    3. They are looking for investors, but as they doing the research from 2006, still not yet having gone in comercial production it doesn’t look like the big business.

  189. So how did the ship get icebound as she is now?

    The ship encountered a severe storm which pushed her into the position she is now.
    The storm also pushed sea ice into the area and this sea ice surrounded the ship.
    Inclement conditions have exacerbated the situation. More strong winds have increased the sea ice buildup and are threatening to damage the hull of the ship.

    The sea ice is dangerous with large and small chunks melded together by the cold conditions. very dangerous to walk on. Very dangerous to land a helicopter on.

    Trying to walk to the edge of the ice field would be extremely dangerous and not to say extremely difficult. – Not an option.

    Clearing an area for use as a helipad will also be touch and go. The ice is not one solid area – it’s lots of smaller bits fused together by the cold. Evacuation by a small helicopter will require multiple visits and will also be fraught with some danger.
    Ironically if the weather eases up and the ice breaks up a little and there is damage to the ship – well you can see where this is going. I wonder if the chopper crew are adapt at doing airlifts or have the ability to do so?

  190. ConfusedPhoton says:
    December 30, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    …. Rescuing the people will not be easy as it will depend on: weather; skill of the pilot; aircraft performance & condition; and landing zone condition (assuming they can land)…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “…assuming they can land…” Ah yes the dangling cable ladder…

    As a caver I climbed into and out of a pit cave on a free hanging cable ladder – ONCE. That was in relatively warm conditions and no wind. I rather a hanging rope and prussik knots but not in ice and snow. (And yes I have used Jumars and Charlie Gibb’s ascenders, I still like prussiks.)

    Instead of partying they should be out prepping an area for that helicopter to land.

  191. Afraid I can’t feel too sorry for the passengers, It’s just Darwin at work. I do wonder about the Captain and crew though and how they got into this mess.

  192. The sad fact is that once the EcoCelebs have been rescued along with their gaggle of propagandist reporters, the story will be no more. Dutiful Russian crew members staying behind, risking their lives to right a terrible wrong won’t capture the imagination of the Anglophone West that dominates the MSN and Climate Change agenda.

    This story hasn’t even touched the public imagination yet, let alone captured it: three casual phone calls to media savvy friends drew a blank. Not one had heard of the drama. This being the case, it would be fitting for one or two helicopter runs to be made to evacuate the eldest of the passengers, and the infirm before the weather closes again. Then, for Mother Nature to whip their sorry arses till the ice melts and the Ship of Fools sails home in shame with all on board alive, well and utterly chastened. Only then will this be properly reported and only then will the Alarmist bandwagon discover a modicum of humility.

    And my sincerest apologies to all remaining crew members for saying that should it come to pass.

  193. ConfusedPhoton says: @ December 30, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Mark – “They’re in real danger”
    ……
    … Even worse they do not understand the dangerous situation they have put the rescuers in!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I have every sympathy for the crews and I hope like heck the Russian skipper and his 17 volunteers makes it out alive. The others, given their attitude, I have no sympathy for what’s so ever.

    These are not a bunch of innocent befuddled tourists but a bunch of campaigning activists who combined with their brethren have cause food riots in over 60 countries (2008 biofuel -food crisis) the real deaths of thousands in the UK (fuel poverty), not to mention undermining the economies of several nations and potentially causing the suffering and early deaths of not thousands but millions.

    If Mother Nature wants to deliver a hard object lesson to activists so be it.

    The unfortunate problem is they will just find a way to spin it.

  194. Well just saw Anderson Coopers interview with those trapped. Seems they have no idea how a serious situation they are potentially in. Seems a new years party and drinking is the main thing on their mind while serious money is being spent to rescue them not to mention the risk to life of the rescuers.
    I also watched Global National news Canada and they called it a research ship but no mention that is was involved in climate change research.

    Way to go MSN, two thumbs down.

    I

  195. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11179877

    Expedition leader Professor Chris Turney described the past week as “sobering” in a blog post.

    “At the time we were initially caught by the sea ice, the Shokalskiy was just 2 to 4 nautical miles from open water.

    “Now the sea ice distance has become even greater with the continued winds from the east, putting our nearest point of exit at some 16 nautical miles.”

    3pm NZT Radio news Helicopter from Xue Long will attempt to lift the fools off tomorrow if weather permits. Landing pad has been marked out on the ice, then transfer when safe to Aurora. Captain and 22 crew to remain with Akademie.

  196. J. Herbst says:
    December 30, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I just checked the business expedition leader Turney is involved:

    http://carbonscape.com/

    They are using sawdust to make charcoal. And using this to make green steel! Or to bury it in field soil to improve fertility and to capture there the CO2 for a long time.
    ========================================================
    Maybe he’s trying to reinvent Pykrete?

  197. Please leave them there. Feed them, don’t make them eat each other, but make them suffer for a few months. And shut off their internet.

  198. It’s truly a ‘ship of fools’ … trying to laugh off what should be treated as a very serious concern to those on board and those sent to rescue these naive global warming alarmists. It should be of even created concern if somehow this vessel sinks and the resulting pollution impacts on the area.

    When these idiots are back on dry land, just you wait … they’ll use their 15 minutes of fame to promote dangerous man-made global warming!

    The media are doing an atrocious job reporting the truth about this ‘expedition’ relating to this ‘ship of fools’ following in the footsteps of Mawson’s expedition 100 years ago and for which film footage exists showing an absence of sea ice.

  199. John says:
    December 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Questions:
    …Although this is a Russian flagged vessel, who are the real owners and in what port does it typically reside?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Hobart in Tasmania: link

  200. Just posted the comment below on the ABC Lateline website, they covered the story before the boat sailed but I cannot see a link to the ship in it’s current state.

    “Maybe you could do a follow up to the interview and ask why they were trapped by increasing ice and could not be reached by rescue icebreakers.
    Interesting how Lawson sailed right in and the wooden boats made it in for 3 summers.
    You could also ask who paid for the rescue and why after they got stuck the main stream media dropped all reference to Global Warming / Climate Change etc. They were just tourists on a ship stuck in the ice.
    Just an idea.
    I will be looking for a follow up to the expedition and the spin regarding how Global Warming has caused the ice to increase in Antarctica for the last 3 decades.

    Regards, Richard

  201. Teddi says: @ December 30, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    …Its becoming a internet joke – a global warming research group stuck in an ice field they didn’t believe existed – too funny :o)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Even better the timing could not be more perfect. People are at home inside relaxing between Christmas and the New Year and this is better than watching the soaps.

  202. Peter Yates says: @ December 30, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    This is a classic case of the leaders of a hazardous….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You forgot one.

    Make sure all of the members are competent both physically and mentally.

    All too often you get tourists taken to places or put into situations they have no business being in.

    Life is Lethal!

  203. Anthony,
    Your story is incomplete without a link to the great archive film

    Mawson in ice-free Commwealth Bay Antarctica in 1912

    That’s where they are now.
    It was ENTIRELY ICE FREE 100 years ago…

    The whole point of their expedition was to show that, if 100 years ago there was no ice, now it’s all but a tropical beach.

    But the climate change professor directing the expedition on Mawson’s steps
    wasn’t aware that climate has changed.

    The reporter from The Guardian embedded with the expedition, blogging about emissions melting ice, is now complaining loudly that he ran out of bananas….

    In the climate models, he could pick fresh bananas there…

  204. Turney’s Lament –

    As I sailed the warming mare,
    I met with ice that wasn’t there.
    It wasn’t there again today –
    I wish, I wish it’d go away!

    (Apologies to William Hughes Mearns)

  205. Speaking from the Akademik Shokalskiy, exhibition leader Chris Turney told ONE News morale among the passengers was holding up despite news earlier this morning that the latest rescue attempt was unsuccessful.

    Love the typo. How appropriate. It is officially an exhibition.

  206. Mervyn says:
    December 30, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    “The media are doing an atrocious job reporting the truth about this ‘expedition’ ”

    You are doing them injustice. The media are doing a splendig job lying about this expedition.

    You have to know the job description.

  207. A curious angle on the press coverage of this whole “expedition”. Namely, the captain and crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy are utterly missing from all reports from the ship (at least as far as I can find in my searches on the internet) and completely excluded from all pictures transmitted from the vessel (a former spy ship, incidentally–that odd factoid appearing in the caption to one of the Guardian’s Alok Jah articles). It’s almost as if the tacky, laboring, rude-mechanic, scut-work sailor-trash–to include the captain–whose trivial, on-board chores involve nothing more challenging than merely keeping the ship afloat and running, would spoil their privileged-white-dork betters’ saving-the-planet-for-the-kids, aren’t-we-beautiful? photos (“selfies” in the main) and jaunty twitters/blog-posts, if their scrofulous, riff-raff, low-rent, hireling butts were to be written of or seen.

    Of similar curiosity, one notes that, even in the expedition’s current peril, the MSM has kept its focus on the improbable Professor Turney, rather than the master of the ship. The inertia, perhaps, of an agit-prop, PR campaign, originally intended to present Professor Turney to the world as a larger-than-life, supreme-smarty-pants, all-wise, father-figure hive-hero, vaguely derived from NK’s “Great Leader” model, as the basis upon which to further establish the good Professor as an unimpeachable-authority, Pythian-mouth-piece, media-genic, personality-cult-figure dispenser-deluxe of the hive’s related “memes”, “narratives”, flim-flam, and scare-boogers, scheduled for roll-out in the later, hype-exploitation phase of this whole, half-baked, potentially tragi-comic, Antarctic boondoggle-stunt, currently showing its ass, big-time?

    But, then, who really knows what’s what with this doofus bunch of eco-retard fuck-ups, we’ve got running the hive nowadays.

  208. climatereason says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:24 am
    Anthony
    How about WUWT offering a donation towards their rescue?
    >>>>>
    Great idea! Let’s all exhale to provide more CO2 to warm the seas.

    There, I did my part….

  209. Thanks for the link Scute showing Australian-Tax-Payer-Leech Turney’s comments:

    “Meanwhile on board the Shokalskiy, moral remains good and the team are pulling together in an extraordinary way. Everyone is working hard to support one another. Take a look at the video diaries on the Intrepid Science YouTube Channel to see what we are up to. We are all keeping busy, with twice daily briefings outlining all the information we have to hand, alongside classes through the day (knot tying, languages, yoga, photography and many others) while the science programme has continued as best we can.
    Thanks for all your support and we hope to see you all soon.”
    Languages: Maybe penguin? Knot tying: mass suicide? We hope to see you soon: Hmmm! No comment on that one.

  210. I think silver ralph’s comment is worth repeating (30th Dec 2:57). In it, he says,

    “when i spoke to a professional weatherman, he did NOT know that Antarctic ice has been increasing for years. He believed the propaganda, which said that the ice was in full retreat, and did not read the small-print, which said this retreat was only on the Antarctic Peninsular.”

    I couldn’t imagine how they could be so stupid as to try to retrace Mawson’s route knowing that Antarctic sea ice extent had been increasing for years and was way above average as they set sail. This meant it was a given that his route was up to 40 miles away across the ice. I am now coming to the realisation that they really didn’t know the ice extent. I wondered if it really could be possible but had dismissed the idea. But silver ralph’s point that the retreat was only on the Antarctic Peninsular explains it. Every scheming alarmist sexed that up to the point where everyone believed it applied to all Antarctic sea ice- including scientists.

    I think this is quite important. If it’s true it would be quite astounding. It may be fruitful to see what the pre-expedition propaganda has to say. They certainly won’t admit to it after the fact.

    And it is as well to remember that many, probably most, delegates at Doha earlier this year didn’t know that the globe hadn’t warmed for 16 years. So there is a precedent.

  211. The Specter of Suspicion

    From http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Global-warming-researcher-gets-stuck-in-ice-5102720.php

    He [Geographer, “Dr.” Chris Turney] pushes a framework of science being data-driven and free from politics. And yet it’s hard to escape the suspicion that whatever the icebound researchers experience, they will frame it as proof that climate change is unassailable.

    Nobel Laureate Physicist Alan Boyle of the BBC “Stellar Institute of Anthropogenic and Human Global Warming” explains

    “Icebreakers are indispensable for traffic through polar seas, but they’re not invincible.”

    “AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Center said in a statement. ‘The helicopter is unable to fly in the current weather conditions, and will hold off on rescue until conditions improve.'”

    Another Call For Help Go To … America’s Icebreakers?

    “The Polar Star is just returning to service after a years-long, $90 million overhaul. It’s designed to get through a 6-foot-thick (2-meter-thick) layer of ice when it’s sailing at 3.5 mph — and when it’s in its backing-up-and-ramming mode, it’s capable of handling ice that’s up to 21 feet (6.5 meters) thick.”

    Really. Loose a propeller then where are you at? Answer: A worked of hurt!

    “The expedition leader on the Shokalskiy, Chris Turney, told TODAY that the Polar Star could “definitely get us out” — but that wasn’t in the cards. Pellissiere said his ship was between Honolulu and Sydney, and would require a week or so to sail to Antarctic if needed.”

    Ah Ha! Politics enters by the mouth of the Geographer [a variant of the bacillus Foot N Mouth].

    “The expedition leader on the Shokalskiy, Chris Turney, told TODAY that the Polar Star could “definitely get us out” — but that wasn’t in the cards. Pellissiere said his ship was between Honolulu and Sydney, and would require a week or so to sail to Antarctic if needed.”

    Not So Fast Nobel Laureate Academician Geographer Turney

    “”As of right now Australia is coordinating the rescue operations,” Coast Guard spokeswoman Allyson Conroy said in a statement. “The nearest U.S. Coast Guard asset is more than 3,000 nautical miles away. We are communicating with Australia and standing by if our assistance is indeed needed.”

    Not even sacrifices onboard of the Akademik Shokalskiy to the God of The Anthropocene can beat Physics!

    Physics Wins!

  212. If I was on that ship, I would commandeer an Ice augur and a tent along with some fishing equipment and be ice fishing for the duration.

  213. Jo Nova has succinctly commented on this whole “Scientific Expedition” which has now been retitled as”tourist cruise” by theses MSM which deign to report it. The whole fiasco has been funded by in part the University of NSW and of course underwritten by the Australian Taxpayer. One of the last acts of the previous government prior to the election. See Jo Nova’s site for more details. At least now the Prime Minister’s chief business adviser has come out in The Australian Newspaper today with some very caustic comments on the whole IPCC Climate change Global Warming hysteria and its effects on Australian economy. Thankfully more people are waking up and soon this rubbish will be given the heave ho. Meanwhile I think the fools down on the ship in Antarctica would be left there to contemplate the true meaning of weather and ice and snow and perhaps just occasionally a helicopter should drop some rations down to them to keep them from starving – say for another 6 months or so.

    Maybe by then they will recant?

    cheers

  214. If I were on that ship right now, I’d be doing fifty press-ups and fifty squats a day, eating my fish ‘n veg and declining the chips, mince pies and booze. Seriously, it could be a life-saver a week from now.

  215. A little off topic, but does anyone know why the DMI Arctic temps (N80) haven’t been updated for the past 3 weeks?

    I sent an e-mail to DMI inquiring about this and got an auto reply advising they’ll reply to within 2 weeks…

  216. andrewmharding says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:50 am
    One question I would like an answer to is how did the icebreaker that went to rescue them only get to seven miles from them? Presumably they would have plotted the shortest ice-free route, there must be at least 49 square miles of ice several yards thick!!

    Why don’t they get out and walk the seven miles to the rescue ship?

  217. It seems that there are a couple quotes from the most famous Antarctic explorer is appropriate here :

    “Adventure is just bad planning.” ….. Roald Amundsen

    “I may say that this is the greatest factor — the way in which the expedition is equipped — the way in which every difficulty is foreseen, and precautions taken for meeting or avoiding it. Victory awaits him who has everything in order — luck, people call it. Defeat is certain for him who has neglected to take the necessary precautions in time; this is called bad luck.”

    — from The South Pole, by Roald Amundsen

    Reference : http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Roald_Amundsen

  218. This is a nominee for the 2013 “Oh the Pain” trophy..

    Anthony, you have sent calendars how about a trophy?

    I Will kick in!

  219. Alan Robertson –

    yes, i realised it was a fact-free CAGW zone…

    a little reminder of what the CAGW crowd are willing to inflict on others:

    30 Dec: UK Daily Mail: John Hall: Wind farms ‘slash up to a THIRD off value of nearby homes … while developers pocket millions’
    Geoffrey Cox MP says constituents are told homes worth ‘significantly less’
    The Conservative MP says he has seen a minimum 10% reduction in value
    Planning Minister Nick Boles plans compensation for those affected
    In October, campaigners living near Ilkley in Yorkshire, won a campaign to have four giant turbines dismantled – the first ever wind farm to be scrapped in the UK.
    Residents and walkers were delighted by the return of unspoilt views across the rolling hills and deep blue waters of Chelker Reservoir.
    And to their relief, the 150ft high turbines will not be replaced after the council refused permission for two even bigger machines…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531219/Wind-farms-slash-THIRD-value-nearby-homes-developers-pocket-millions.html

  220. Has anyone done the math to figure out the carbon footprint of these geniuses and their vanity trip? Not to mention the real world price tag? To whom do we send the bill?

  221. Has anyone been monitoring the Russian blogs? Do they do a better job of covering what is going on with the crew?

  222. GlynnMhor says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:30 am
    “How long till they run out of diesel, and have to start burning their personal electronic devices for fuel?”

    Being the beginning of summer down there and those aboard being green conscious, I would suspect they have their solar panels up and their windmills churning in order to provide all the green power they need to last until minimum ice sometime in March.

  223. I really think they should have to pay to be rescued, otherwise they should be left there frozen for eternity really, (and in my movie they will be marooned there for eternity):] But of course someone will eventually have to waste valuable resources on these useless brie and bagel eaters and defilers of the Antarctic!:] Then they will live to spread their vile GW propaganda hither and yon but people may well see the lies this time, I hope!:]

  224. Answering myself – probably too much to expect that the Russians are interested in the fate of the Russian ship given the troubles their having with their own representatives of the Religion of Peace (TM).

  225. @ benofhouston says:
    December 30, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    They should Just be glad that they won’t have to stay for two years feasting on penguin and seal.
    —————————-

    What does penguin taste like ?

  226. Auto said: “Ah, but still – per the BBC: –
    “Despite being trapped, the scientists have continued their experiments, measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice.””

    Of course, temperature and salinity of water passing through melting ice will somehow be relevant for some purpose.

  227. As amusing as this little saga has been it serves to highlight a far more serious problem. If we skeptics tried we could not script a green fail as monumental as Prof Turney has kindly (blindly) done for us. The most worrying part of this sad tale is that the media has been exposed for what it is; a purveyor of lies. This is a big story that possesses irony seldom found and MSM journalists are hard at work burying the truth. We are entering an era where the media will dictate what we ‘know’, I am forming the opinion that it is the climate scientists that are the useful idiots and those that control the media are the ones who control the future, we should do our best to discover and reveal.

  228. Found this in the comment section of The Independent.
    “John Belushi 5 hours ago
    Will it have any effect on (AGW) Al Gore Warming?
    I must be slower than I thought.
    I never even saw that one coming.
    AGW …. all this time the perfect acronym.
    cn

  229. Bill Illis says: “Video footage of the Aurora Australis ice-breaker trying to make break through the ice. Didn’t take long to figure out the ice was too thick.”

    The captain of the Aurora Australis, Murray Doyle, is shown in an interview somewhere. He’s far from stupid. I’m not so sure about the captain of the Quakademik Shlockalskiy. Do you suppose stupidity is contagious? He might have easily caught a severe case from his “passengers” or “tourists” or “sciency guys.” Whichever. Has anyone seen his name?

  230. At any moment Professor Lewandowsky (formerly of the University of WA and now of Bristol University) will issue a peer/pal reviewed paper entitled “Cognitive dissonance of Deniers mocking heroic CAGW pseudo-scientists trapped in global warming ice”
    I cannot wait.
    One interesting point of dissonance is that before they set off Professor Turkey blogged that Commonwealth Bay has been blocked for the past three years by a giant (75-mile long) iceberg that has lodged there. If he already knew that, how did this Band of Boonies intend to land? A Moses act of parting the ice and waters perhaps. Yet another mystery to be solved. I mean, Google maps would have told them it was a bad idea before they set off with my taxes in their pockets.
    Let’s hope the UNSW picks up the costs as this will mean they have to close some unnecessary departments (probably medicine, engineering and physics) as this disaster shows just how important the Department of Climate Mythology really is.

  231. Have I got this right? A pair of Australian professors whose names sound like Christmas Turkey and Fogwilly use research funds to organise a tourist trip PR stunt in Antarctica by chartering a ship with a name that sounds like MV Academic Shocks-are-likely. A bipolar expedition?

  232. Admiral Turney of the HMS Clitanic heroically raises his telescope to his blind eye, and announces :
    “I see no ice”

  233. Teddi says: @ December 30, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    What does penguin taste like ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Oily and fishy and if you are lucky with out the dash of mud.

  234. URGENT PRESS NOTICE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

    I Obama have dispached Sec. of State John F. Kerry to conduct talks with the pack ice. He will have Al Gore on his team. I will play a round of golf and work with the Pres. of General Electric on how he will make sure NBC news covers up this mess for me.

    Back to your jobs and send in your taxes.

    Pres. Obama

  235. Arrogance plus ignorance……….priceless!
    One can only hope the Guardian gets to foot the bill for the rescue.

  236. Gail Combs says: “…shipmaster Igor Kiselyov told Itar-Tass on Monday…”

    My prayers are with Shipmaster Kiselyov and his crew. I hope they will be home soon and safely.

  237. r murphy says: @ December 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    …. I am forming the opinion that it is the climate scientists that are the useful idiots and those that control the media are the ones who control the future, we should do our best to discover and reveal.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Already did that see comment – looking at the board of directors and owners gives you the answers.

    Also peer-reviewed paper The Network of Global Corporate Control “We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions…. we find that only 737 top holders accumulate 80% of the control over the value of all TNCs …” (TNCs = transnational corporations)

  238. @Gail Combs,

    Yr: 30 December 7:38 p. m. comment

    Thank you, Gail, for the link to that article–finally I have the skipper’s name. Strange that the names of the ship captains of the “rescue” vessels are all readily available, but not the name of the Akademik Shokalskiy’s master.

    And your link strikes me as a further confirmation that the press coverage of this whole Antarctic, expedition fiasco is being carefully “managed.” In the story you link, some gutsy crew-members of the Adademik Shokalskiy volunteered to stay with their ship in hopes of salvaging her. All that decided at a meeting of the captain and crew on Monday. Pretty compelling human interest material, there, I would say.

    But the above aspect of “story” is ignored in Western media in favor of the far more (sarc) compelling story of a bunch of eco-worthies, in-over-their head, trying to get their anxious-butts clear of the looming disaster, just as fast as some other gutsy types–Chinese, chopper pilots–can haul them out.

    Heroics abound in this unfolding, Akademik Shokalskiy misadventure, I can see, but the MSM apparently wants nothing to do with such “things”. Not sure exactly why, but suspect that coverage of the real heroism in this story would take the lime-light away from the hive-picked cast of characters being groomed and promoted to flog the hype-exploitation, CAGW flim-flam to follow–and our betters wouldn’t want that to happen. Time will tell.

    Aagain, thanks for the link, Gail.

    In the meantime, my admiration is for the crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy and the Chinese pilots steeling themselves for the real challenges ahead. Wish more coverage were given these brave men (and women?). But not gonna happen, I think, for reasons previously given.

  239. The media running dead on this reminds me of this quote – They are complicit in the fraud

    “And it has been clear from the start that the media have understood exactly how bad Obama has been because they have known with precision exactly what parts of what Obama has done or said that have required their cover. Obama has had to lie over Benghazi and so they have covered for him to the maximum extent they could. Obama tells producers “you didn’t build that” and the media runs dead with the quote so that it never really becomes as significant as it ought to be. They know exactly how dreadful Obama has been, and cannot even manufacture a greater good, that their lies and distortions have protected the community from having to do without, had Obama lost the election in spite of every service they rendered in defence of his reputation and image.” Steve Kates Quadrant 9/11/2012

  240. Teddi says: What does penguin taste like ?

    Janice says: Chicken, of course.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Nah, Mud duck – yuck!

  241. As a retired Sailor I can tell you that comments regarding false bravado and putting up a good front are spot on. It seems to be a natural psychological response to fear. The smell of fear is a tangible thing. In the confines of close quarters; one not easily forgotten. We can hardly expect the expedition leader to roll over and cry like a baby. Once out of danger, a good leader will accept responsibility for his actions.

    Having said that, I believe several emergency options are available to cast and crew, including an overland trek to the modern Mawson huts. Antarctic ice will recede for at least another month and I’ll take bets the ship will survive. For those interested, the Spirit of Mawson objectives (albeit weak) are outlined in bulleted format on the expedition web site. One objective is to examine the cause of the increased Antarctic sea ice extent. Methinks, the expidention was launched to find a suitable excuse for this inconvenient truth.

  242. 200 tons of fuel plus hydrolic oil may kill a substantial part of the wild life over there, including the curious and adorable penguins

    And the reason for the desaster would be a tax payer funded so called scientific mission to study the effects of global warming and diminishing sea ice, despite Antarctica has seen 30 years of cooling, increasing and even record sea ice..

    Tax payer money should never have been spent here and those responsible for funding should be held accountable.

  243. Leo G says:
    Have I got this right? A pair of Australian professors whose names sound like Christmas Turkey and Fogwilly use research funds to organise a tourist trip PR stunt in Antarctica by chartering a ship with a name that sounds like MV Academic Shocks-are-likely. A bipolar expedition?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ROTFLMAO

    If a real journalist wanted to write a story on this he could start off with that line.

  244. Gunga Din says: “Maybe he’s trying to reinvent Pykrete?”

    Oh, yeah. I remember Pyke. He was a bit of a nutter, too. He was going to make torpedo-proof rafts of frozen ice/sawdust to cross the Atlantic. They might have actually worked.

  245. the BBC guy on board, being described on BBC as a news producer, or simply BBC’s Andrew Luck-baker. can’t bear to look for the interviews they do with him, cos he always claims he doesn’t want to get out of the situation – it’s so beautfiul & all that:

    4 Nov 2012: Nature & Science by Andrew Luck-Baker
    Ocean Acidification, Corals and Ken Caldeira
    This is a spin-off post from the radio series for the BBC World Service I am currently producing, Discovery: The Age We Made. Presented by science writer Gaia Vince, it consists four programmes looking at the notion that humans have launched a new geological time period on the planet, the Anthropocene.
    Further down, I have posted the audio of a great interview we did with leading climatologist Ken Caldeira on the seemingly likely fate of the world’s coral reefs, because of the geologically extraordinary alterations we are making to the Earth’s atmosphere…

    http://natureandscience-alb.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/ocean-acifidication-corals-and-ken.html

    BBC Discovery 2008
    For these two editions of Discovery Andrew Luck-Baker visits the Pacific Islands of Palau – home to one of the greatest coral reef systems on the planet yet the reefs are not immune from pressures such as fishing, pollution and climate change…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/948_discovery_2008/page28.shtml

    can’t even find the following on BBC website, & the comments suggest people don’t have a clue what this is about, but love how ABL is “there”!

    27 Dec: Facebook: BBC World Have Your Say
    A Chinese icebreaker is on its way to help a research ship that’s trapped in ice in Antarctica. It has been there for two days now…
    The BBC World Service’s science producer, Andrew Luck-Baker is there and will take your questions about the expedition. What would you like to ask him?

  246. Gail Combs says:
    December 30, 2013 at 7:38 pm
    mike says:
    December 30, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    A curious angle on the press coverage of this whole “expedition”. Namely, the captain and crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy are utterly missing from all reports…
    >>>>>
    Not all reports shipmaster Igor Kiselyov told Itar-Tass on Monday….
    ———————
    Thanks Gail – that was an interesting take…
    The Captain saying “I want to point out that they all are volunteers and they all will continue to work to a victorious end” is in stark contrast to the Turney comments.

  247. Gail Combs says: “These are not a bunch of innocent befuddled tourists but a bunch of campaigning activists who combined with their brethren have cause food riots in over 60 countries (2008 biofuel -food crisis) the real deaths of thousands in the UK (fuel poverty), not to mention undermining the economies of several nations and potentially causing the suffering and early deaths of not thousands but millions.”

    I have mixed emotions about them, sort of like a guy who’s just been mugged watching the mugger get hit by a car as he runs away. On the one hand, it’s sad; on the other hand, it’s karmageddon.

  248. mike says: @ December 30, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Thank you, Gail, for the link to that article–finally I have the skipper’s name….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    One of the worst aspects of this is shipmaster Igor Kiselyov will probably never be allowed to command a ship again.

    His name may be left out for just that reason, he will be the one to take all the blame so the media do not want readers to become familiar with him. (The are de-humanizing him)

    This is of course a SWAG, so we will see how it plays out.

  249. I don’t see these people as enemies… just wrong thinking. The ice? Well, it was there and someone made a mistake. I don’t really care how they want to spin this when it’s over. I would just like to see them all safe. Ignorant and safe is …okay. Truth will win out in the end.

  250. Okay, I know they are money-grubbing, lying mud-sucking watermelons but I always hold out hope for redemption.

  251. A video from Erik Van Sebille 12/31/2013.

    Erik says that he was writing a paper on the trip that he could have written in his office in the University in Sydney (but it is quieter on the boat)*. And he is waiting to be evacuated at some point in the near future.

    *Australian tax payers may wish to inquire as to why they got to pay for a no-doubt pointless piece of paper writing on an ice bound boat in Antarctica and in an office in Sydney. (Or perhaps they just have too much money in Australia).

  252. Penguin probably tastes like chicken as does everything else in that category. Exceptions are duck, goose and many game birds. Many think that alligators also taste like chicken, but although many of the flavor elements are similar, those that are more discriminating find significant flavor profiles exist that are different from the impressions of occasional eaters. Eat more penguin and become an expert. That’ll probably drive PETA nuts. But if it walks, flies , swims or crawls, you can probably eat it. And many of them will eat you if given the opportunity. Myself, I would aim for a Chinese twice cooked affair. Take a penguin breast. Slow simmer it for 40 minutes with about 10 ginger slices and a couple of smashed cloves of garlic. Cool and slice into 1″ x 2″ pieces 1/8″ thick. Stir fry it with home made or commercial kimchee. Serve over rice or rice noodles. Or you could make it into spring rolls. Or you could take thin slices of the raw breast, Marinate them in fish sauce, garlic, a little lemon or lime juice and chopped shallots or scallions, grill them and roll them in rice paper with a cucumber slice, peanut sauce mint leaves and cilantro. Don’t have that fancy stuff on board? Then cut it into small chunks, saute it and make your favorite chilli from memory. I would imagine that grilled penguin breast, medium rare could be a classic with those who don’t mind the probable background fish flavor. Some of you will laugh at me, but if you are trapped and must eat what’s available, why not make it as palatable as possible?

    BTW On Jan. 12 We’re leaving on a Quark expedition to the other side of Antartica. Planned and paid for before I discovered and started spending three hours or so daily on this website. I will eat whatever nature throws at me. My choice. Just hope it doesn’t screw up the kayaking among the icebergs we paid for. Spent all summer practicing for that.

  253. All news stories claim the Australis’ rescue bid was foiled by bad weather. Nonsense! This is pure media spin. I saw web cam views of the ship trying to break the ice. Clearly, the problem was ice thickness exceeding ship’s design specs and not an imaginary blizzard. If the weather was a problem, why not resume after the storm passed?

    More media spin to protect the message. I’m throwing the BS flag on this one!

  254. part 3 is now up:

    BBC Discovery: The Return to Mawson’s Antarctica – Part Three
    Duration: 29 minutes
    First broadcast:Monday 30 December 2013
    Alok Jha and Andrew Luck-Baker continue to follow the scientists on the ongoing Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013. They go out on fieldwork trips with the researchers studying how the wildlife that lives in this inhospitable environment is responding to climate change… Ornithologist Kerry-Jayne Wilson discovers that an iconic breeding colony of Adelie penguins at Cape Denison, the rocky area where Douglas Mawson built his expedition hut, has depleted numbers as the fast ice has grown.
    Alok Jha and Andrew Luck-Baker continue to follow the scientists on the ongoing Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013. They go out on fieldwork trips with the researchers studying how the wildlife that lives in this inhospitable environment is responding to climate change.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nh2zw

    16 Dec: BBC Programme Info: Discovery: Return To Mawson’s Antarctica
    Over four weeks in December and January, BBC World Service’s Discovery will be embedded with a team of Antarctic researchers on board an ice-breaker retracing the route of the first Australasian Expedition to Antarctica
    The BBC’s Andrew Luck-Baker and Science journalist Alok Jha join the 26-strong scientific team led by Professor Chris Turney of the University of New South Wales. They study penguins, record the underwater songs of seals and deploy a robot submarine to sample the rich sea life under the ice.
    A drone aircraft helps navigate the ship through a gigantic iceberg and visit Mawson’s original hut. Along with continuous recording of sea temperatures, sea ice thicknesses, wind speeds and pollution, the expedition aims to illuminate environmental change in this part of Antarctica, and the frozen continent as a whole.
    For one month, Alok and Andrew will report on Antarctic science, history and the dramas of life on the ice in four special programmes on the BBC World Service, recorded as the journey progresses to bring the Antarctic to life for a global audience.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2013/51/ws-antarctic-1.html

    research? don’t think so.

  255. not too bad for the Chronicle:

    30 Dec: San Francisco Chronicle: Debra J. Saunders: Global warming researcher gets stuck in ice
    A funny thing happened during Australian climate-change professor Chris Turney’s venture to retrace a 1912 research expedition in Antarctica and gauge how climate change has affected the continent: Two weeks into a five-week excursion, Turney’s good ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy got trapped in ice. It turns out, global warming notwithstanding, that there’s so much ice down under that two ice-breaking vessels sent to rescue the research team cannot reach the Australasian Antarctic Expedition…
    Years ago, global warming believers renamed the phenomenon “climate change” – probably because of pesky details like unusually cold weather undercutting the warming argument. Now, just as advocates argue that Earth is approaching a tipping point, there’s so much ice floating in Antarctica during the Southern Hemisphere’s summer that the Australasian Antarctic Expedition posted in a statement: “We’re stuck in our own experiment.”
    Does this incident mean that climate change is an illusion or a hoax? Of course not. Even during its summer, Antarctica is subject to extreme weather. “Bad weather is the norm in Antarctica,” climatologist Roy Spencer observed.
    But it does show that like the rest of us chickens, scientists have feet of clay. Turney had told journalists that his expedition wanted to collect data that could be used to improve climate models. Too bad the folks who are supposed to predict climate decades into the future are guided by scientists who could not manage to avoid ice floes during a five-week trip…
    “We were just in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Turney told Fox News. He believes the ship was stuck in old ice from a 75-mile-long iceberg that broke apart three years ago.
    Fair enough. But there’s still the issue of ice volume. Climate changers usually warn about Arctic ice, which has been receding over the last few decades, but rarely address the overall growth of ice in Antarctica…
    Turney told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. that his goal is to excite the public about science. As for climate change, “in the scientific community, it’s remarkably solid.” And “self-evident.”
    He pushes a framework of science being data-driven and free from politics. And yet it’s hard to escape the suspicion that whatever the icebound researchers experience, they will frame it as proof that climate change is unassailable.

    http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Global-warming-researcher-gets-stuck-in-ice-5102720.php

    Reply: Debra is the SF Chronicle’s token conservative. She gets these articles in ~ ctm (I know, the new policy is for mods to not identify themselves, but Anthony, you know what an iconoclast I be.).

  256. A professor of climate change is caught in something that shouldn’t have been there.
    And is saved by fossil fuels.

    What else is new?

  257. Felix says:
    December 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    Does any of this refute data, actual measurements, showing that the Southern Ocean is warming?

    How about if you compare all the open water in the video of Mawson’s original 1912 expedition with the ice our valiant tourists are stuck in now? You know, the expedition Turney is trying to retrace?

    http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/antarctic-pioneers/clip2/

    That should be sufficient proof the water around Cape Denison was much warmer in 1912. Now Turney’s group can’t even make land because of all the ice.

  258. Felix says:
    December 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Does any of this refute data, actual measurements, showing that the Southern Ocean is warming?
    ___________________________
    What data showing the Southern Ocean warming?

  259. 8 days stranded in ice, initially called “Australia’s largest Antarctic science expedition” and after 3 failed resucue attampts by icebreakers (French, Chinese and Australian with authorities stating the ship is rated for ice up to 1.5m thick all the while knowing the ice is between 3m – 4m thick), the last rescue attempt is now of a “passenger/tourist ship” which has been called off due to bad weather? Yeah right Aussie MSM.

  260. Now can we finally have some global warming extremists like these scam artists arrested for committing a fraud on Australia’s taxpayers?

  261. I believe that ship has a good chance of being trapped until next year (summer 2014); weekly updates will drive the greens nuts.

  262. What a way to end the year. I wish them all a safe trip back home with a fresh and healthy sense of skepticism for the New Year.

  263. This story has to be a mistake; doesn’t it ?

    Antarctica is currently basking in the Summer sunshine, with Mai-tais, and hula skirts.

    Surely this ship is trapped in the Arctic Ocean. Not to worry; it is going to be ice free quite soon !

    Well karma comes in all shapes and sizes.

  264. The Spirit of Mawson dies as Antarctic pilgrims/tourists and their great leader – but not the crew – are to be rescued by helicopter

  265. I have a notion that vessel owners, as well as tourist operators, are going to see a big increase in insurance premiums for ships that venture into Antarctic regions. It must be dawning on the underwriters this type of trip is a very high risk venture. We do not know how this incident will play out. We do know how the M/V Explorer fared (see photo at top). A small miracle no lives were lost then. (Different ocean, but only a favorable wind saved the Costa Concordia from moving away from land and rolling completely over.)

    Luck is fickle. The two sinkings above had some. The next two, who knows.

  266. Anthony, maybe we should create a reference page for AGW propaganda expedition fails.

    Ann Bancroft.

    The Caitlin Expedition. Many WUWT links.

    Lewis Pugh. Most of this has been purged from the Internet. Time to fire up the wayback machine.

    These are just the expeditions. There’s always the media categories too. The 10:10 video, the i-squared debate. Anthony. Whaddya think? It would be nice to have a central location to point out silliness.

  267. One week on
    Posted by Chris Turney, December 30, 2013

    The thick chaotic surface we see around the Shokalskiy is consistent with the idea that this ice is several years old and is considerably more difficult to break through by icebreaker than single year ice. The presence of dark watersky to the southeast shows the presence of open water which is reflecting off the underneath of clouds. We hope the Australian ice breaker Aurora australis may have more luck finding leads from this ice edge to reach the Shokalskiy. We are all hoping the Shokalskiy will find a route out thanks to the efforts of the Australian and Chinese icebreakers.

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/one-week-on/

  268. The BBC are unsurprisingly not allowing comments on the story that the Chinese icebreaker is stuck, I wonder why?

    ;)

  269. Josh will be busy for months on this there is just so much there that can and will be used to poke fun at them.
    Talk about making a rod for your own back, but doing it in a way that puts others lives at risk for your own reasons is bad very bad.
    I’m with
    charles the moderator says:
    December 31, 2013 at 1:52 am
    Anthony, maybe we should create a reference page for AGW propaganda expedition fails.

    Now that would be a long list.

    James Bull

  270. My fervent wish is that the egregious Geoffrey Lean, the Enviro Correspondent on the Daily Telegraph (UK) is on board. Although lean by name but fat by nature, he could certainly provide Andean-style nourishment for the rest if the stores give out…

  271. BBC FORGETS BBC CORRESPONDENT

    The BBC link

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276

    is very interesting.

    In the middle of a very dramatic rescue.
    (the Chinese ship, which has the rescue helicopter, is now itself caught in thick ice)
    The BBC forgot that there is a BBC correspondent on board.

    This must be a first in media history, since ancient Greece.
    Remember those “Our correspondent reports…”

    Only 5 days ago they were reporting proudly:

    Science continues for trapped Australasian Antarctic expedition
    By Andrew Luck-Baker
    BBC World Service Discovery, East Antarctica

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25519059

  272. ICE MORE SOLID THAN ICEBREAKER DECK.
    DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING

    [Expedition organizer, professor of climate change] Turney also responded to speculation from climate sceptics who have taken to social media sites in recent days to attack the scientific consensus on climate change, pointing out the apparent incongruity of there being so much sea ice around the Shokalskiy in the middle of the Antarctic summer.

    “we are not trapped in new ice that’s been created because its cold,” said Turney. “This is very old, thick ice that’s been remobilized.”

    versus, a few lines away

    ‘AAE members will be picked up on the ice next to the Shokalskiy and dropped off on a similar landing pad next to the Aurora Australis. The Chinese helicopter that will be used is too heavy to land on the Australian vessel’s deck.’

    The ice, thus, is more solidly fused together than an ice breaker.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/31/antarctic-rescue-helicopter-to-evacuate-passengers-from-trapped-ship?commentpage=1

  273. BBC reports that the scientists on board thought the ice was much thicker than usual for this time of year.

  274. cynical_scientist says:
    December 30, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Speaking from the Akademik Shokalskiy, exhibition leader Chris Turney told ONE News morale among the passengers was holding up despite news earlier this morning that the latest rescue attempt was unsuccessful.

    Love the typo. How appropriate. It is officially an exhibition.
    *****************************

    Funny, I say “exhibition” three times and I can’t remember that other word that sounds like it…

  275. I’m waiting for the group to be interviewed by the MSM when they hit land in Australia.

    Even odds they’ll complain the rescue boats didn’t serve vegan ala the Greenpeace guy recently released by the Russians.

  276. “we are not trapped in new ice that’s been created because its cold,” said Turney. “This is very old, thick ice that’s been remobilized.”
    ——
    Satirising this becomes superfluous. I nominate “remobilized” as word of the month.

  277. “This is very old, thick ice that’s been remobilized.”

    So it’s not a weather event , this is “very” old thick ice. It must be due to climate change then.

    Now which sort of climate change makes “very old thick ice”? Just asking Prof. Turney , just asking.

  278. nebgrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 2:43 am
    *************************
    I suppose it must be comforting, in some way, to know you are not being squashed by new ice that was not created by cold.

  279. Go out for a trip with Prof Chris(mas) Turkey and you are likely to find you’re stuffed.

    After a few stiff Martinis the party revellers were reported to be shaken but not stirred.

    Laurence Topham says he’s sick of Slush Puppyies and wants real milkshake. Bless !

  280. Mike Jowsey says:
    December 30, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    andrewmharding says:
    December 30, 2013 at 10:50 am
    One question I would like an answer to is how did the icebreaker that went to rescue them only get to seven miles from them? Presumably they would have plotted the shortest ice-free route, there must be at least 49 square miles of ice several yards thick!!

    Why don’t they get out and walk the seven miles to the rescue ship?

    Because the ice is unstable and rather than being like ice on an ice rink it is actually moving and it would be extremely dangerous to walk on.

  281. byz says:
    The BBC are unsurprisingly not allowing comments on the story that the Chinese icebreaker is stuck, I wonder why?

    They’ve also started filing articles under “Asia” rather than “SciEnvironment”.

    So, now apparently they do not see this “scientific” mission getting trapped by climate as “SciEnvironment”, it’s some quiet corner of international news.

    Obviously viewers/readers wanting an update will know to go straight to the “Asia” section of their website. Chinese helicopter, init?

  282. I do hope everyone gets out OK, particularly the crew who didn’t have a vested interest in trying to prove an ideological point with this voyage.

    But I will be fascinated to see what effect this has on the participants if they survive – how will they be able to square the circle of Global Warming vs nearly being killed in a summer ice sheet? I wonder how many worms of doubt are currently eating their way into their brains?

  283. Believe it or not there was an item on BBC News 24 this morning. Apparently “there is a ‘Russian Flagged ship’ stuck in Antarctic ice”. By some amazing coincidence “there is a BBC science correspondent” who (by all accounts) just happens to be on board.

    The news item is short on two things, facts and truth.

    The strange thing is he said that conditions on board were good, yet the bit of film showed him in a tent? The film wasn’t quite up to normal BBC quality but I think you could still make out the egg on his face.

  284. OLD DATA says:
    December 31, 2013 at 2:33 am

    “BBC reports that the scientists on board thought the ice was much thicker than usual for this time of year.”

    There ya go! That proves it! Global warming strikes again.

  285. Posted by Chris Turney, December 30, 2013
    “The thick chaotic surface we see around the Shokalskiy is consistent with the idea that this ice is several years old and is considerably more difficult to break through by icebreaker than single year ice…..”

    I get the impression he thinks that this multi-year ice wasn’t there last year.

  286. Think this might come back to haunt!

    ” Initially there were few applicants, so Chris Turney re-versioned Ernest Shackleton’s apocryphal advertisement:
    “Wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition assured.”
    ” I always loved that advert.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3899674.htm

    Professor Chris Turney from the University of NSW is mounting the largest Australian science expeditions to the Antarctic with an 85-person team to try to answer questions about how climate change in the frozen continent might be already shifting weather patterns in Australia.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3898858.htm

    Chris Turney is leading the team of scientists, meteorologists, marine ecologists, oceanographers, ice-core and tree-ring specialists.
    Professor Turney says the hundreds of thousands of measurements made by Mawson have become critical to charting signs of global warming.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-28/chinese-icebreaker-unable-to-reach-stuck-ship/5176938

  287. Harry Passfield says:
    December 31, 2013 at 2:21 am

    My fervent wish is that the egregious Geoffrey Lean, the Enviro Correspondent on the Daily Telegraph (UK) is on board. Although lean by name but fat by nature, he could certainly provide Andean-style nourishment for the rest if the stores give out…
    ======================================
    If he is there, he will almost certainly be accompanied by his ‘colleague’, Loopy Lou (Louise Grey to the uninitiated). With nothing else to do, who knows what they might get up to. He could claim that it’s a survival technique – the more energy he expends, the thinner he gets and therefore less inviting he becomes to their hungry shipmates.

    Oh dear, I’m now having trouble getting that thouight out of my head …

  288. For those coming late to this story, it all started when Chris Turney decided he wanted to retrace the steps of an Antarctic exhibition mounted by the great Australian explorer Douglas Mawson a century previously.

    The intention was to document modern day changes over those conditions seen a century previously.

    Here is a book on Mawson’s original expedition which enables comparison to be drawn between the great explorers of the past and the modern day researchers.(H/T Climate4all)

    http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/mawson/douglas/home/complete.html

    Having said that, celebrity exploration of the poles is nothing new . In the 1920’s and 1930’s our ancestors thrilled to the exploits of Bill Bartlett on the Morrissey as he took celebrities to the arctic to gawp at the huge amount of warming. I wrote about that notable episode of climate change here;

    http://judithcurry.com/2013/04/10/historic-variations-in-arctic-sea-ice-part-ii-1920-1950/

    There is nothing new under the sun, the depressing thing being that many of the polar changes in the last century were very well documented. Bartlett made a career as a movie star by appearing on Pathe news reel film in cinemas about his arctic exploits, some of his journeys being funded by National Geographic..

    tonyb

  289. Hope that the crew on US icebreaker Polar Star, which is on its way for rescue, didn´t forget to bring 85 hockey sticks for the trapped research team.

  290. Looks like the helicopter option is now in doubt – from the Beeb…

    Rescue for Antarctic ice-bound ship under threat
    “Fifty-two passengers and four crew members were due to be evacuated by helicopter from China’s Xue Long ship as soon as conditions allowed.

    However, the Xue Long has barely moved in a day and may be stuck in the ice.”

    Seems that conditions in the Antarctic are far worse than being reported by the MSM. Careful ignoral???

    I feel really sorry for those who have been suckered into believing the CAGW meme. Perhaps their experience will help change their views?

  291. What does a fire on a Chinese fishing vessel have to do with sea ice? Also, if you think the guy in the “tropical forest” has “full cold weather gear on” then you don’t know much about cold weather!

  292. GregM says:
    December 31, 2013 at 3:53 am

    Hope that the crew on US icebreaker Polar Star, which is on its way for rescue, didn´t forget to bring 85 hockey sticks for the trapped research team.

    @Greg, I’d guess they have a boatload of sticks but nary a puck.

  293. BTw this again proves that Australian Higher education has got a serious problem producing these second rate “agenda” scientists. Hopefully they will simply disappear with the Abbot administration slowly but surely LOL

  294. “climatereason says:

    December 31, 2013 at 3:50 am

    There is nothing new under the sun, the depressing thing being that many of the polar changes in the last century were very well documented. Bartlett made a career as a movie star by appearing on Pathe news reel film in cinemas about his arctic exploits, some of his journeys being funded by National Geographic..

    tonyb”

    What is “NEW” and different from those times and since the advent of the internet is mobile communications and instant access, Twitter and Viber etc. The internet was a major explosion in “information age”, BUT mobile access to information is instant and vastly larger in coverage. It’s technology!

    The Bible was hand-written at one time thus limited access. Then the printing press was invented enabling many more people to have access to it.

  295. While speaking to the missing BBC correspondent, the expedition exhibition by Prof. Christmas Turkey says that the Academic Shockski became immobilized on remobilized very old ice.

    Many thanks to all I have plagiarized.

  296. JB says:
    December 31, 2013 at 4:09 am

    What does a fire on a Chinese fishing vessel have to do with sea ice?
    =============================
    Nothing at all. But you knew that, didn’t you, because, conveniently just below the photograph, appears this paragraph (helpfully reproduced here so it’s right in front of your eyes).

    With so much concern for the pristine environment of Antarctica, one wonders how much environmental damage these sinkings are doing.

    ‘We had to destroy the Antarctic in order to save it’ works for you, does it?

  297. I just love that penguin in the lead photo at the above link to the BBC story. It’s as if he’s saying to camera, “Just look at these loons will you?”

  298. From Expeditions Online – Tours / Spirit of Mawson: Akademik Shokalskiy:
    “Day 28 – 4 January 2014
    Port Of Bluff
    We expect to arrive in the Port of Bluff early in the morning. After breakfast and completion of customs formalities, we will disembark, transfer by coach to downtown Invercargill or to Invercargill Airport. Please make your reservations for travel out of Invercargill after midday.
    And so our expedition comes to an end. Less dramatically than Mawson and his men perhaps but we know that Antarctica will have touched you.”

    I’m afraid that Antartica will have more than touched you…

  299. I cannot think of a better send-off to 2013 and climate change alarmism with this fiasco expanding across to 2014. How many icebreaking ships now are trying to rescue 1 ship? How many ships rescued Mawson?

  300. Two quick points: Just watched the ABC 24-Hour News Channel and found out that the passengers of a ‘tourist ship’ stuck in ice in Antarctica have been rescued. Whew, that’s a relief, now let’s hope they can do the same for the Russian ship with our scientists on board concocting alibis and fraudulent explanations that blame CO2.
    Secondly, I watched the video of the wimp who misses his milkshakes. Antarctic heroes, just ain’t what they used to be.

  301. If everybody involved in this crisis is not very careful, this could be heading for a worst case scenario nightmare version of:

    I assume all the professionals are fully aware of the risks and this is why they are sending in the heavy icebreakers.

  302. It seems the scientists really did know what to expect. My apologies. These startlingly prescient statements are from the expeditions online page, all written into the itinerary well before setting sail.

    “Extended period in the Commonwealth Bay, East Antarctic coastline area.”
    “A truly white Christmas and Boxing Day”
    “Given that we are closing in on the South Magnetic Pole we may see the lights of the Aurora Australis”

    http://expeditionsonline.com/tour-44/spirit-of-mawson-akademik-shokalskiy

    Thanks to mfo (31st Dec 2013 4:16 AM) for the link!

  303. Felix says: @ December 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Does any of this refute data, actual measurements, showing that the Southern Ocean is warming?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What warming? Graph Since 1990 the temperature has dropped like a rock.
    Graph from: <a href="http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/southern-ocean/"Southern Ocean by Bob Tissdale. He has been looking at the ocean data for years.

    His post HERE shows whre you got the idea the Southern Ocean is warming.

    The title of Liu and Curry (2010) “Accelerated Warming of the Southern Ocean and Its Impacts on the Hydrological Cycle and Sea Ice” contradicts the SST anomalies of the latitudes used in the paper. The SST anomalies are not warming. They are cooling and have been for more than a decade.

    Bob goes on to prove that point and provides links to the paper and other discussions of the paper.

    Note: Bob started as a believer until he started smelling something fish and began to investigate. Bob, like me is a retiree and receives no funding from the bureaucrats who are after your money or from Big Oil who is also after your money. )

  304. Thankfully, at this point, the ill- fated voyage of the A.S. remains an incomplete metaphor for AGW.

  305. I am amazed no one has yet come up with the twitter hash tag #shipoffools. it seems so apt. if I was a twit, I’d have done it days ago.

  306. The weather break 12 hrs later, I meant… gale force winds and temp drop below 0C. Those are the conditions which trapped them.

  307. There is a sufficient window for the required transport of passengers. Once in progress, each trip should only take 30 mins or less. We are talking about distances around 20 miles via helicopter.

  308. The fools on board of the Akademik Shokalskiy just can’t refrain from blathering about their spectacular failure. What a season’s greeting for mankind!

    Happy AGW-free 2014, World!

  309. The MSM is now reporting the Chinese ship has not moved in a day and their crew might need to be evacuated as well.

  310. Rob Ricket says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:51 am

    There is a sufficient window for the required transport of passengers. Once in progress, each trip should only take 30 mins or less. We are talking about distances around 20 miles via helicopter.
    ________________________________
    Good points- the clear sky is probably most important aspect for rescue, now. Maybe crew/passengers have been engaged in finding/marking a safe landing pad nearby. It’s interesting to note that without the cloud cover, the temperature goes down, exactly as one would expect.
    BTW, thanks for great link: http://www.yr.no/place/Antarctica/Other/Commonwealth_Bay/

  311. Akademik Shokalskiy should now be thru celebrating the New Year if they are on Sidney time. Hope they have maintained their spirits with the available spirits.

  312. Steve from Rockwood says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:36 am

    It’s going to be easy predicting the crisis cruise of 2014. Sea-level rise in the Maldives. What could go wrong on a tropical island?
    ———————————————
    What could go wrong? They will run aground on a sandbank about 50 nm out and have to be rescued by a villager in a fishing boat – one at a time. Rowed 50 miles to a small island where they will have to be rescued again. There will be much fun; singing, dancing and hugging though.

  313. Rob Ricket says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:51 am

    There is a sufficient window for the required transport of passengers. Once in progress, each trip should only take 30 mins or less. We are talking about distances around 20 miles via helicopter.

    Not if the Chinese icebreaker Xue Long is also stuck in the ice.

    From this article at http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276 I find this sentence:

    “However, if the Chinese vessel is also stuck and the Australian vessel cannot help it reach clear water, there will be no airlift.”

    We are now looking at a potentially deadly situation. The Polar Star is at least 10 days out and pack ice may render these ships inoperable before rescue is achieved.

  314. pat says:
    December 30, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    But Mr Greenfield, or Anthony Watts for that matter, made little attempt to explain the complex science involved with understanding Antarctic sea ice…
    According to Skeptic Science article on Why is southern sea ice increasing…
    Australian Greens senator elect for Victoria Janet Rice appears in this Guardian Youtube video published 30 December 2013 from on board the Akademik Shokalski. Janet has a scientific background with her honours thesis on where lows around Antarctica were born and died. She will bring to the new Senate a perceptive understanding of climate science and the need for strong climate action.
    —————————————-
    It gets funnier … So if these scientists know so much about Antarctica, how come they are all sitting on a boat sticking out of the ice along with with 2 Icebreakers (plus reinforcements on the way) and a helicopter out to rescue them … they must really know a lot. LOL

  315. @RockyRoad, There is also the question of whether the deck can support weight of the Chinese ‘hele.’

  316. Gail Combs says December 30, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Also peer-reviewed paper The Network of Global Corporate Control “We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions…. we find that only 737 top holders accumulate 80% of the control over the value of all TNCs …” (TNCs = transnational corporations)

    A sad little paper really, on a par with Michael Mann’s tree-temperature work I would say … can’t address it more since this is OT.

    .

  317. The latest article on the BBC website here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25557017 is duplicitous. It claims “morale is high” yet also describes how the Russian crew are adversely affected by reports of bombings in Russia. I hope the scientists aren’t ignoring the plight of their crew.

    The first sentence of the report is the most hilarious, though: “Morale among the scientists and research volunteers – or tourists – of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013 is surprisingly high.” Yes, it genuinely says “or tourists”. So can we now call all climate scientists “tourists”? It would help us get through the dark winter nights….

  318. Felix says:
    December 31, 2013 at 6:32 am

    Alan Robertson says:
    December 30, 2013 at 9:53 pm
    Felix says:
    December 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Does any of this refute data, actual measurements, showing that the Southern Ocean is warming?
    ___________________________
    What data showing the Southern Ocean warming?

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=8239

    http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/364/1844/1657/F1.expansion.html

    _______________________
    The very chart you posted from the Royal Society shows that there is currently no “warming”. You might notice that the trend is temperature decreasing.
    Furthermore, due to the manipulation of temperature data, there has been much controversy over reported warming around Antarctica, even from organizations which should know better than to play politics instead of science.
    There’s really one simple question which undermines the entire southern warming meme… if the Southern Ocean is warming, why does sea ice increase every year?

  319. Don Allen says December 31, 2013 at 5:36 am

    Just had an email exchange with the Public Affairs Office on the Polar Star. There has been no official press release saying the Polar Star is going to be involved. If and when there is one it will be on the Polar Star web page.

    http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcpolarstar/

    [Thank you. Mod]

    From their News page:

    – – – – – – – – – – –

    Polar Star News

    DEEP FREEZE 2014!
    POLAR STAR departed December 3rd for Operation Deep Freeze. Coming out of their three year reactivation period they embarked on Ice Trials this past summer and are now en route to McMurdo Station in Antarctica to help resupply their research station.
    – – – – – – – – – –

    From this link off their news page: http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1994906/#

    News Release
    Date: Dec. 03, 2013

    U.S. icebreaker deploys to McMurdo, Antarctica

    Picture: Two tugboats escort Coast Guard Cutter Polar Star, a 399-foot Polar Class Icebreaker homeported in Seattle, through Elliott Bay after the cutter got underway from Coast Guard Base Seattle, Dec. 3, 2013. – See more at:

    SEATTLE – Coast Guard Cutter Polar Star departed Coast Guard Base Seattle for Antarctica, Tuesday, in support of Operation Deep Freeze for the first time since 2006 with the task of resupplying the National Science Foundation Scientific Research Station in McMurdo.

    For more than 50 years, Coast Guard icebreaker crews have deployed to Antarctica in support of Operation Deep Freeze. They will assist by creating a navigable shipping lane through the layers of ice in McMurdo Sound. Approximately eight million gallons of U.S. fuel will be sent to McMurdo residents through the channel and be delivered to Winter Quarters Bay. This fuel allows the Station to remain manned and ready during the freezing winter months.

    This past summer, CGC Polar Star conducted sea trials in the Arctic to test all of the ship’s equipment and train the crew prior to embarking to Antarctica this winter. During the summer trip, CGC Polar Star spent weeks in the Beaufort Sea north of Barrow, Alaska, testing propulsion machinery, conducting emergency drills, and qualifying crewmembers in individual watchstations.

    In preparation for CGC Polar Star’s Deep Freeze Deployment, the crew overhauled many pieces of equipment from the bridge to the engine room and successfully completed a number of assessments to achieve their fully reactivated status.

    Polar Star is a 399-foot Polar Class Icebreaker with a 140-person crew, homeported in Seattle. The cutter is recently out of a three-year, $90 million overhaul, which is part of the Coast Guard’s plan to reactivate the heavy icebreaker.

    – See more at: http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1994906/#sthash.3RzAtP43.dpuf

  320. JimH says: @ December 31, 2013 at 3:11 am

    …. I wonder how many worms of doubt are currently eating their way into their brains?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You are making the bad assumption that the peddlers of GloBULL Warming errrClimate Change errr Weather Weirding (is that the latest term or did it morph again) actually believe the propaganda they are spewing.

    From Climategate 2.0 Michael Mann shows that climate alarmism is a ’cause’ and not science:


    I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s doing, but its not helping the cause.

  321. Tenuc says:
    December 31, 2013 at 3:54 am
    I feel really sorry for those who have been suckered into believing the CAGW meme. Perhaps their experience will help change their views?

    Sadly, most probably not. Regardless of how they came to their CAGW beliefs, there is a will to Believe which takes over rational thought. The curious response of True Believers, in the face of facts and reality contradicting their beliefs is to Believe even harder. They become even more irrational, in other words.
    I wouldn’t feel sorry for them though. They made their beds.

  322. I noted the following comment at Bishop Hill:

    Comment at the Graun by lmxly1:
    “… I have heard from friends on board that the captain saw the weather coming and wanted to get out ASAP while the ship was only 2 miles from open water. But the scientists fumbled their gear on return and took much longer, hence this fiasco! And it reminds me of the old Antarctic maxim – Hurry up….or wait!!”

    So it appears that Turney probably is responsible for this. He’s certainly got some ‘splaining to do….

  323. Alan Robertson: “There’s really one simple question which undermines the entire southern warming meme… if the Southern Ocean is warming, why does sea ice increase every year?”

    It’s simple: because global warming !

    Hotter = AGW, cooler = AGW.
    Less ice and snow = AGW; more ice and snow = AGW.

    It must be obvious to anyone but those in the pay of Suzanne Goldbergs billion dollar dunial industry that whatever happens it’s the result of AGW as predictied by climate science and GCMs.

    Now if you will just sign over all your personal wealth, that of your children and grandchildren and sign your whole familily into bondage for the next three generations , perhaps we can finally make some progress on saving the planet BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

  324. It doesn’t add up… says: “So it appears that Turney probably is responsible for this.”

    Prof Chris(mas) Turkey will be spending his time stuck in the ice concocting his excuses. He’s already suggested how global warming causes more ice, so he’s well on his way.

  325. negrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:09 am
    “If everybody involved in this crisis is not very careful, this could be heading for a worst case scenario nightmare version of:”

    The last pic where the big green crane seems to topple over looks totally fake. They took the crane from the pic before and rotated it. Wheels and perspective look identical; the four head lamps look all botched up because the rotation caused interpolated pixel values.

  326. There is only one molecule, albeit within a short range, expands as it cools. This $Q will launch the next wave of research. Too funny…

  327. I see the BBC not only refuses to acknowledge that the tourists are climate scientists, but they have NOT allowed any commentary, on any of their story coverage. Still trying to control the story and divert criticism. Reality will not bend to the spin. GK

  328. Gail Combs says:
    December 30, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Valuable comments on Tallbloke and paper cite. Thanks.

  329. DirkH says:
    December 31, 2013 at 7:37 am:

    “The last pic where the big green crane seems to topple over looks totally fake”
    —–

    Thanks. I didn’t pick up on that one. You are quite right – should have checked with snopes: http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/crane.asp. The last picture is photoshopped in. The first eight seem genuine and they probably should have left it at that – the message would still be clear.

  330. REMF’s out at sea caught in their own lies by ice.

    Front line men on Polar Star will go unnamed and if they tell the truth of what they find early retirment and or no promotions.

    The ice knows, we know, the msm will lie to their ice bound end.

    It is all about power and taxes to run the machine.

  331. It’s now official: Chris Turney is unequivocal in blaming the 20 miles of ice surrounding the Shokalskiy on Climate Change. From the Guardian:

    “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ”

    Article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/31/antarctic-rescue-helicopter-to-evacuate-passengers-from-trapped-ship

    Extract showing full quote:

    “There’s a misconception here – we are not trapped in new ice that’s been created because its cold,” said Turney. “This is very old, thick ice that’s been re-mobilised. It was attached to another part of the continent and has broken out and, with the south-easterly winds we’ve had, has pushed it up against the coast … and pinned us in.”
    The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. When the 120km-long iceberg, B09B, came through the area a few years ago it knocked the tongue off the nearby Mertz glacier, which itself is 120km long. The iceberg grounded on the sea bed in Commonwealth Bay causing the sea around it to lock up with ice attached to the continent.
    “There’s no Mertz glacier tongue to hold back the sea ice that broke out in the past weeks,” said Turney. “Because there’s ice in Commonwealth Bay, where we’re near, that old ice couldn’t go anywhere apart from here. It’s unfortunate circumstances.”

    This explanation is the same one as he has given in his Spirit of Mawson website blog post yesterday, 30th December 2013, after a sudden 3-day posting hiatus when the most important events were unfolding:

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/blog/

    Turney’s blog post shows before and after satellite pictures of the area (20th and 27th Dec) and these are used supposedly to explain the fact that all the sea ice had broken away from fast ice the other side of the Mertz Glacier and had nowhere to go but into Commonwealth bay. I suspect that some ice did break off and contributed to the situation. However I think I can see spin here just like everywhere else.

    The 10-day-old satellite pictures that had apparently only just arrived on the day of the posting are quite difficult to interpret. They don’t show exactly the same area of Commonwealth Bay in both pictures and they are low resolution so you can’t see the labelling or the legend. Turney’s explanation is unhelpful and there is no link to the source at ACE CRC. So I went to the site myself, linked below, and found it rather lacking- certainly no satellite data page.

    http://seaice.acecrc.org.au

    I’m left with a distinct impression that the details of Turney’s line of argument in this explanation-via-Global-Warming is untenable. I therefore think it’s worthy of an in-depth investigation at WUWT to root out the truth behind the ice break-out and where it went, perhaps using satellite data that is full resolution and clearly shows the whole area of Commonwealth Bay in both photos. I think we may find that they were simply sailing into denser and denser floating ice which then closed around them with a change of wind direction. The breakout ice might have just added to the periphery of this mass- after all, the ‘after’ satellite photo is from the 27th December, not from the 24th when they were iced in. Why show the situation 3 days later and not at the time or one day later? And why not show all of Commonwealth Bay in the ‘before’ picture.

    If WUWT doesn’t knock this right on the head, Turney or others will be presenting it as science fact, possibly as soon as early March 2014 at The International Glaciogical Society (IGS) 4th sea ice symposium in Hobart, Tasmania from (10-14 March 2014). That is, if they can get to Tasmania before March.

    Scute

  332. The Master of the Akademik Shokalskiy is probably too embarrassed to update his location. The last received position is 8th December leaving Bluff, NZ.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/ships/all/page:1/shipname:Akademik%20Shokalskiy

    USCGC Polar Star departed Honolulu en route to service US bases in Antarctica on 18th December.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/7367471/vessel:POLAR_STAR

    Xue Long is trolling back & forth. http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/ships/all/page:1/shipname:XUE%20LONG

    Aurora Australis is also reticent about its current position.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/index/ships/all/page:1/shipname:AURORA%20AUSTRALIS

  333. “We just have no idea what the weather will do,” expedition leader Chris Turney told ABC News via Skype. Another priceless quote from a Bishop of CAGW. We can’t predict the weather for the next day but let us tell you about climate.

  334. “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ”

    How mysterious.
    Long-term climate change, that has yet to occur, is responsible for events today?

    It’s one thing to predict future events as and after the climate changes.

    But as of today the global climate has not been measured or shown to have changed since whenever.

    All of the observed tiny fluctuations in all things nature do not amount to any indication of any
    meaningful long term climate change at all.

    Yet, even here in Oregon we have enviro-worriers telling us to “look out side it’s right in front of your denying eyes, Can you not see it?”.

  335. Mr Green Genes says:
    December 31, 2013 at 4:35 am
    JB says:
    December 31, 2013 at 4:09 am

    What does a fire on a Chinese fishing vessel have to do with sea ice?
    =============================
    “Nothing at all. But you knew that, didn’t you, because, conveniently just below the photograph, appears this paragraph (helpfully reproduced here so it’s right in front of your eyes).”

    I am glad to see you have such a concern for the Antarctic Environment … hopefully, you will lobby to stop oil exploration in the Arctic too … thanks :)

  336. Maheshwari et al, 2013, concluded that “However, in general, the Southern Ocean as a whole is showing a weak interannual cooling trend in SST. http://www.hindawi.com/isrn/oceanography/2013/392632/
    Likewise RSS also shows a weak troposheric cooling at the rate of -0.13 kelvin/decade : http://joannenova.com.au/2013/10/antarctic-sea-ice-still-at-record-high-where-is-springtime-melt/
    Bob Tisdale plots a very strong drop in Southern Ocean SST around 2007: http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/14-southern.png
    The drop in Southern Ocean SST is associated with record westerly winds and current along the Antarctic circumpolar current, the by far the worlds strongest and the only one that connects all ocean basins.. The increase in current speed is also causing record upwelling of cold water. The record sea ice is causing record deep water formation rates due to salt rejection and dense water creation . The AMOC or the giant ocean conveyor belt begins in the southern ocean. Look for the cold to come to us in the near future.

  337. Also the White House will have directed the U.S. Coast Guard, the U.S. Navy, the National Weather Service to aid said loons on excuses using the data they have to make up a reason for this major fail.

    Some of the info Chris Turney is using most likely comes from one or more of these souces.

    This CO2 world tax is a big deal to big commie goverment.

  338. “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ” – Turney

    Prof Turney knows everything about the ice now. How did he manage to get stuck in it?

    This guy has some disturbing conflicts of interest that may have led him to inadvertently cause this massive crisis. It seems fairly obvious that this Antarctic PR tour was planned to promote his side venture in Carbonscape. It’s in Turkey’s best interest to call everything “climate change.” This guy needs to be called on the carpet by authorities in Australia.

  339. JB says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:14 am
    “I am glad to see you have such a concern for the Antarctic Environment … hopefully, you will lobby to stop oil exploration in the Arctic too … thanks :)”

    JB, think for a moment. Skeptics are the ones who DON’T think the poles will be ice-free. Ergo, drilling for oil in the arctics will stay extremely expensive and hazardeous. It’s the least of our worries. All the nations gung-ho on exploiting the arctis might find their dreams crushed.

  340. We should record this topic for safekeeping. And we should do the same with the AR5 draft, as most probably it will just suddenly disappear as most inconvenient truths just disappear. There are almost endless lists of AR5 authors that are listed in those drafts. Those are the people upholding the hoax with their integrity and reputation. Well, they did their trade, and I’ll keep my copy in case any of those lunatics happens to be in charge of my son’s future. Those people deserve to keep a black blotch in their CVs. Forever.

    The joke is on us if any of those entitled bastards ever get in charge of anything. Morons.

  341. “It’s fantastic – I love it when the ice wins and we don’t,” said expedition marine ecologist Tracy Rogers. “It reminds you that as humans, we don’t control everything and that the natural world – it’s the winner here”
    No you’re going to be rescued by helicopter, using a lot of CO2 just like you ship used a lot of CO2 and so did the Ice breaker that tried to rescue you. So we humans win again take that nature.

  342. DirkH says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:22 am.

    Dirk … there is a fair bit of seismic exploration in the Arctic often involving icebreakers as support vessels. I know, I’ve been there doing it.

  343. re: Perry says December 31, 2013 at 8:02 am

    On position reports: Some of these vessels may be equipped with VHF-band only radio position transmitters (vs Inmarsat satellite), and this requires a land-based station/infrastructure to receive the position report and forward that info to data aggregaters for display on various websites.

    So, one must be within range of suitable land station in order to ‘report’ position; this is probably why Polar Star and the Russian ship cease to show a course beyond 30 to 50 miles from shore (VHF possessing what is said to be ‘line-of-sight’ radio propagation characteristics) given antenna heights on the shore station and the vessel.

    .

  344. Scute says: December 31, 2013 at 7:54 am
    You may be correct in the way that you think that they will play this.
    However it is very easy to refute, because it does not matter how much Ice gets moved around it doesn’t make more of it.
    As shown by all the various ice data repositories the overall Ice extent has broken records during 2013, so there is more Ice even in the Summer.

  345. Did Al Gore find passage on (the newly-named) “An Inconvenient Truth” as a stowaway?

    Getting stuck in the ice a week after summer begins would indicate he might have.

    The “Gore Effect” even stops icebreakers. Wow!

  346. Scute says:
    December 31, 2013 at 7:54 am

    It’s now official: Chris Turney is unequivocal in blaming the 20 miles of ice surrounding the Shokalskiy on Climate Change. From the Guardian:

    “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ”

    So recklessly charging ahead in spite of adverse conditions is what Turney is calling “Climate Change”?

    I’d call this disaster the result of abject stupidity or egotistical hubris.

    Maybe Turney is claiming this part of the world has never seen ice before.

    Either way, Turney blames Climate Change instead of taking responsibility.

  347. Robert in Calgary says:
    December 30, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    It seems the “Polar Star” left Seattle on December 3rd for its own mission to Antarctica.

    I was curious about the capabilities of the Polar Star, as the Chinese and Australian rescue ships are reported to be limited to breaking through 1.5m ice. According to Wikipedia:

    Polar Star has sufficient hull strength to absorb the high-powered ice breaking common to her operations. The shell plating and associated internal support structure are fabricated from steel that has especially good low-temperature strength. The portion of the hull designed to break ice is 1-3/4 inches (45 mm) thick in the bow and stern sections, and 1-1/4 inches (32 mm) thick amidships. The hull strength is produced almost entirely from the massive internal support structure. Polar Star’s hull shape is designed to maximize icebreaking by efficiently combining the forces of the ship’s forward motion, the downward pull of gravity on the bow, and the upward push of the inherent buoyancy of the stern. The curved bow allows Polar Star to ride up on the ice, using the ship’s weight to break the ice.

    With such a sturdy hull and high power to back it up, the 13,000-ton (13,200 metric ton) Polar Star is able to break through ice up to 21 feet (6 m) thick and steam continuously through 6 feet (1.8 m) of ice at 3 knots (6 km/h).

    I did not see a mention of what speed can be managed through the thicker ice. From the same source, performance figures are:

    Speed: 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)
    3 knots (5.6 km/h; 3.5 mph) in 6-foot (1.8 m) ice
    Range: 16,000 nautical miles (30,000 km; 18,000 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)
    28,275 nautical miles (52,365 km; 32,538 mi) at 13 knots (24 km/h; 15 mph)

    I was not able to find a current location for Polar Star except it was deployed December 3rd to support routine supply operations for McMurdo Station. The USCG site for the ship lists current news as:

    POLAR STAR departed December 3rd for Operation Deep Freeze. Coming out of their three year reactivation period they embarked on Ice Trials this past summer and are now en route to McMurdo Station in Antarctica to help resupply their research station.

    Below are links to news stories to find out more about POLAR STAR’s current status!

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seattlesketcher/2013/11/

    http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1994906/#

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/12/04/coast-guard-icebreaker-deploys-to-antarctica.html

    http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1759079/Feature-Release-USCGC-POLAR-STAR-s-BM-1

    The Polar Star has a sister ship the Polar Sea which is no longer in service following what is described as a “massive engine failure” suffered in 2010. The Coast Guard apparently has plans to “dismantle” rather than “scrap” her. The Polar Star herself just completed a major ($57 million) refit early this year and the McMurdo deployment is her first actual mission after returning to service. Since 2010, the US has had no icebreakers of this class in service — perhaps the augury of global climate models convinced naval planners there will be no need for them in the near future. The refit should keep the Polar Star in service for another 8-10 years and the Coast Guard is pursuing approval for a new ship. Maybe the US Congress will consider revoking the wind turbine subsidies to pay for it.

    So it would appear the Polar Star could reach and rescue the Akademik Shokalskiy were she dispatched to do so. But if you really want to get through a lot of ice in a hurry, you need one of the Russian nuclear ice-breakers — unlimited power to keep the cabins warm and the Vodka cold and almost completely carbon neutral! But alas, according again to Wikipedia the Arctic class of nuclear icebreakers (including the Yamal) depend on cold polar waters to cool their reactors and cannot even transit the tropical seas to reach Antarctica. Perhaps one could be towed through warmer seas with reactors operating at minimum power, but this would increase both the cost and the time required to get one where it is needed.

    So there is no option to rescue the Akademik Shokalskiy without burning a lot of fossil fuel.

    I suspect once the crew and passengers have been evacuated, the owners and insurers of the Akademik Shokalskiy will decide it is not worth the cost to charter an icebreaker of the Polar Star class to recover their ship. I also suspect insurance rates for these Antarctic “research” trips will rise sharply as a result.

    Which will not of course stop these publicity junkets; just take a bigger bite out of the taxpayer to fund them.

    Happy New Year to all, including those onboard the Akademik Shokalskiy. I sincerely hope they all get out without injury along with everyone dispatched to rescue them. That they emerge any wiser from the experience is probably too much to hope for.

  348. The latest from the BBC reported on board is that perhaps the Chinese icebreaker is also stuck. They want the Chinese and Australian breakers along side each other for the helicopter shuttle. The Australian boat may try to get to the Chinese.

  349. 6am Wednesday 1st NZT
    National Radio reports helicopter rescue may be delayed for 24 hours until weather conditions improve.
    Aurora will eventually take the “tourists” on board, then continue with its resupply schedule to McMurdo, then return to Hobart.
    It could be several weeks till the “tourists” arrive back in Hobart.

  350. “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ” – Turney

    Well done professor. And what kind of long-term climate change causes more ice ? Warming or cooling ?

  351. JB says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:32 am

    DirkH says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:22 am.

    Dirk … there is a fair bit of seismic exploration in the Arctic often involving icebreakers as support vessels. I know, I’ve been there doing it.

    The vast majority of oil producers support the Global Warming meme–they certainly don’t fund the likes of WUWT or anybody else opposed to such folly.

    And now you have one of the reasons why.

  352. The frightened ones aboard the boat
    were disappointed too
    they’d hoped to eat a Christmas bird
    with passengers and crew
    none had dared to mention
    that most obvious of rhymes
    Dr. Turney, Christmas Turkey
    wasn’t fit for trying times
    they’d failed to heed the warning
    that ice floes were on the loose
    instead of Christmas turkey
    all they got was one big goose

  353. “The event is likely to be a result of long-term climate change that is happening in this part of the world. ”
    ——
    I wonder if Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change will start replacing Acts of God in insurance contracts?

  354. Imagine how differently this “exhibition” would have been reported on by the MSM, had they not been trapped in the ice. They would have been hailed as “brave scientists” instead of being referred to as “tourists”, and their “findings” showing how much melting etc. had taken place would have been trumpeted far and wide as further “proof” of disasterous manmade climate change taking place. Of course, that was their plan all along, but oh no, that ultimate of all den#ialists mother nature had other plans.
    Can the Warmist herds hear the worldwide laughter now?

  355. If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. If you are a professor of climate change, every event looks like a result of climate change.

    An idea for the UNSW: establish a professorship of season’s change.

  356. JB says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:32 am
    “Dirk … there is a fair bit of seismic exploration in the Arctic often involving icebreakers as support vessels. I know, I’ve been there doing it.”

    Well of course. They all bet on the warmists being correct, like Turney did. But nobody operates a drilling rig in pack ice. Because it’s not possible.

    Besides, you should look into the spill detection systems that are mandatory in Norway and have not been mandatory in the Gulf of Mexico during the Macondo spill.

    And BTW, there’s a ton of natural oil spills all the time everywhere. Human caused spills are only relevant if they approach the amount of natural spills. I don’t know if there are natural oil spills in the arctis. But what are you gonna do about them? Quick; panic, protest against natural oil spills in front of Barack H. Obama’s exterritorial swampland compound.

  357. Aah; nothing like a helicopter flight to test the old ‘mal de mer’ resistance. Brisk winds, crowded chopper, bounces for ever gust…

    I wonder how many will keep their penguin down for the whole flight?

    ‘This old ice, broken free elsewhere and blown here just to make us semi qualified parasitic scientists look like bloddy fools…’

    Ah, yes Dr. Turkey; did you notice that the old ice is un-melted sea ice? Sea ice is sea ice no matter how many times you try to skate the issue. If it was global pwning AGW, wouldn’t the ice have melted than go on vacation with you?

    Now, how much of the ‘fresh water’ below the ice did you drink? This question is more serious than you apparently suspect. Have you noticed any pink ice elephants or flying penguins? Perhaps as your co-sponsor’s hand went numb in the open air and you claimed it was so warm it’s raining, you noticed that the gritty and cold rain bounced?

    Has anyone else noticed that the CAGW true faithful are more than a little blind to reality and facts?

  358. negrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:18 am
    “I wonder if Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change will start replacing Acts of God in insurance contracts?”

    Acts Of Climate Change, very good! Like Drones have replaced Zeus’ lightning bolts. Even called Hellfire, how apt. That makes Barack H. Obama the Lightbringer.

  359. “glenncz says: December 31, 2013 at 3:14 am

    The saga of the HHS INCONVENIENT TRUTH

    heh! Glenncz: Have you noticed the new name on the ship in the picture above?

    Good one!

  360. 6.30am Wednesday 1st NZT
    National Radio reports Xue Long (Snow Dragon) trapped in ice, helicopter uplift delayed indefinitely until Aurora can break through to free Xue Long.

    This could never be made into a film, no-one would believe it.

  361. negrum says:
    I wonder if Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change will start replacing Acts of God in insurance contracts?

    Most likely. And with the treaty they were trying to concoct in Warsaw last month, developed nations will be the underwriters. Just a twist on the usual arrangements tho’ , no premiums, just payouts.

    What’s not to like?

  362. Dirk H says:
    And BTW, there’s a ton of natural oil spills all the time everywhere.
    ___________________________
    And of course there are the intentional oil spills, millions of miles of them that we call asphalt roads.

  363. “glenncz says: December 31, 2013 at 3:14 am

    The saga of the HHS INCONVENIENT TRUTH”

    since it’s russian registered merchant vessel that should be

    M.V. INCONVENIENT PRAVDA

  364. Background: In a comment over at Climate, Etc. I called Dr. Titley a lair (and explained why) for his comments during the recent congressional climate hearings (also involving Dr. Spencer & Dr. Pielke) and had my comment censored/removed. JC said its was a comment without content and not in keeping with her policy of civil discourse.

    So I just posted the following:
    ————————————
    I was hoping to find a thread on the global warming Antarctica “science” expedition stuck in ice and unreachable by three icebreakers to date.

    One would be tempted to call out its leader (Dr. Turney) as a liar of sorts, but such observations are of course censored on this site (as Dr. Titley reminds us). Unfortunately, if public discourse continues in the direction of NOT being able call out things as they are, you are left with the party lying believing such behavior is a perfectly workable mode of operation.

    Much as Obama continues to lie without recourse, there have been several recent events in the media that reflect where such unbalanced “civil” discourse leads. AGW has built an entire movement on the belief that it is acceptable to manipulate the truth, data and even history for its own objectives. Many who sat on the fence during this period in history now want only “civil” discourse to ensue.

    In other words, when you follow the Mawson expedition of 100 years ago where historic records/pictures show no ice and clear access to the shore for his wooden ships by and expedition 100 years later to observe the igreat loss of sea ice in an unprecedented [global] warming world and become trapped in ice of sufficient thickness that even three icebreakers can’t rescue you…

    ..It’s still not “ok” in civil discourse to call out the AGW movement as a lie and those who foster its underpinnings as liars.

  365. Compare these two statements from the latest BBC report:

    “The Australian icebreaker, the Aurora Australis, is holding its position in clear water beyond the mass of pack ice trapping us. Its two attempts to reach us yesterday failed.”

    “However, the Chinese ship, the Xue Long, may now be trapped itself. It has barely moved position in a day, according to one of the leaders of the Australian Antarctic Expedition 2013, Prof Chris Turney.”

    The notional reports the Chinese ship is stuck is nothing more than poor speculation by Turney, because it hasn’t moved much, which is exactly what one would expect it to do in bad weather with no clear course of action.

  366. Hope that all ends well and with little drama – else we could be looking at GLOBAL WARMING’S FIRST MARTYRS! And that would be a bad, bad, thing.

    These Fools out to be made to ROW home, once they hit open water.

  367. @Felix

    How did Prof. Turney’s “old ice” survive your “warming” Southern Ocean for “a few years”, as he states? Just wondering.

  368. E.M.Smith says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Yep, will be keeping an eye on this for as long as I’m around, but may not make it to 2050 myself – but at least the kids know what to ‘look out’ for when the tax and power grabbers conspire on their next scare tactics.

  369. In the Arctic, sea ice is melting because of global warming; in Antarctica, sea ice is not melting because of global warming. Simple no?

  370. Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. . . . . . They have met their enemy, and They are Them. It’s a damn shame that their necks aren’t depending on wind and solar powered Icebreakers and Helicopters.

    This is how the Gene Pool becomes polluted – they will be saved.

    In an Ayn Rand novel, they would be less fortunate.

  371. How does Prof. Turney’s “old ice” grow from 1-2 meters thick when his boat got stuck to about 5 meters now? Just wondering.

  372. This link presents a map of the Southern Ocean showing the trend in SST from 1982 to 2010.

    http://www.hindawi.com/isrn/oceanography/2013/392632/fig5/

    The authors conclude that ” From both these images, a very important observation can be made; that is, the part of the Southern Ocean in the East Antarctic sector is experiencing a significant warming while the West Antarctic sector, a more significant cooling, in general. However, as a whole, the area experiencing cooling over the entire Southern Ocean is larger than that experiencing warming.”

  373. OLD DATA says:
    December 31, 2013 at 4:11 am

    GregM says:
    December 31, 2013 at 3:53 am
    Hope that the crew on US icebreaker Polar Star, which is on its way for rescue, didn´t
    forget to bring 85 hockey sticks for the trapped research team.

    @Greg, I’d guess they have a boatload of sticks but nary a puck.

    OK then, 84 hockey sticks will probably do. They could always use that Turkey for puck?

  374. Stand by for new Paper: “Molecular Alteration of Water by Global Warming Increases Temperature at Which Ice Forms” Shityunot & Konstantlie, et. al.

  375. BCC is now reporting that the Chinese vessel appears to also be stuck in the Antarctic sea ice so a helicopter transfer to the Chinese vessel is no longer a viable plan. Plan C is to wait until the US icebreaker the Polar Star comes in roughly 10 days to free both ships.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276

    “Fifty-two passengers and four crew members were due to be evacuated by helicopter from China’s Xue Long ship as soon as conditions allowed.
    However, the Xue Long has barely moved in a day and may be stuck in the ice.
    The research vessel Akademik Shokalskiy has been trapped for nearly a week with 74 scientists, tourists and crew.
    However, if the Chinese vessel is also stuck and the Australian vessel cannot help it reach clear water, there will be no airlift.
    Under the initial plan, the remaining crew members would have stayed on board until another, more powerful US icebreaker arrived in up to 10 days’ time, the BBC’s Andrew Luck-Baker reports from on board the Akademik Shokalskiy
    However, it may now be that all of those on board may have to wait for the US icebreaker, the Polar Star, he adds.“

  376. 7.15am Wednesday 1st NZT
    National Radio reports that Xue Long has radioed it is trapped in ice.
    It appears doubtful that Aurora will attempt to break a passage to Xue Long, now waiting on Polar Star to arrive in approximately 10 – 12 days.

    The stupidity of some people defies belief.

  377. E.M.Smith, “Turney said it was fresh water”?
    Turney has shown no expertise that would indicate he could identify fresh water. He’s a climate scientist. He deals in theoretical models. But water is a physical material.
    Physical materials are all listed under the bracket of “not model”.
    Like backsides and arm joints.

  378. They had better rescue Christmas Turnkey, Grant Hose & all the media whores from the bar before the rising seas submerge them.

    What they need is the A(gw) Team Who can build a bow mounted greenhouse and feed that huge CO2 funnel away from the sky into the greenhouse. The ice will be gone in a day.

  379. Who knows who carries the responsibility for cruising into this ice? The captain? Professor Turney?
    The University of NSW for trip planning? Do they pay the expenses?
    The good thing is half that of the guests are paying members, picking up half of the final check, we can assume.

  380. Revkin’s Dot earth blog at http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/rescue-effort-for-trapped-antarctic-voyage-disrupts-serious-science/?_r=0 has a good column with Email notes from someone directly impacted by the Aurora Australis’ interrupted unload to go rescue the Spirit of Mawson exhibition. The ship was only 1/3 unloaded when the call came in.

    The short- and long-term impacts on the Australian science program are pronounced as you can imagine and I understand it is the same for both the Chinese and French programs since their icebreakers were diverted, too. I’ll be sitting down to New Year’s Eve dinner in a few minutes with a number of Australian researchers including the director of the Australian Antarctic Division Tony Fleming – many of these guys can’t complete the research they’ve been planning for years because some or all of their science gear still is on the Aurora.

    The window of access in the Antarctic is small, I’m sure this fiasco will have major impact for the rest of the summer.

  381. eddi says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “..It’s still not “ok” in civil discourse to call out the AGW movement as a lie and those who foster its underpinnings as liars”
    —–
    I understand your frustration, but calling someone a liar is an ad hominem and detracts from your argument. It belongs in the political and legal arena (plenty of sites for that) and not in scientific discussion. One reason for this is that lying is very difficult to prove – due to weaselling – and another is that the term is too easy to misuse. it is better to focus on reasoned debate and at least a minimum of courtesy.

    There are plenty of deluded followers and calling them liars will only confirm them in their faith, since technically they are not lying, they are merely mistaken (in our skeptical opinion) and your accusation would be false and counter-productive. Someone lying to themself is not a crime and criminalising it brings us very quickly to Orwell’s 1984 :)

  382. @weltklima, Those paying their own tab will sue. Then those on governments’ tab will sue. Finally those who rescued the tourists will sue. Perhaps everybody should be named sue?

  383. I wonder who is tasked with censoring all outgoing comm transmissions. With a dedicated media center it would be natural to interview the Capitan now and then.

  384. Clay Marley says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:48 am

    … there are children on-board this ship (or at least one). Now I’m beginning to get angry at the hubris and carelessness of Turney and the other “scientists”.

    Just one, as far as I know, the son of Chris Turney. Robbie seems pretty sensible, some of his writing is at http://www.spiritofmawson.com/blog/ . I suspect he’ll do okay.

  385. “The @GdnAntarctica winter men’s clothing catalogue has just arrived…”

    And if you don’t find what you’re looking for there, try the J. Peterman catalog:

  386. I have still not, as of yet, sat through watching James Cameron’s Titanic…but I’ll bet that a crucial scene is missing:

    The captain has a drink sitting at the helm. The iceberg is growing in the distance. He glances at his drink, in which the ice is 1/8 above the surface.

    He then steals a glance at the iceberg.

    Back to the drink.

    Back again to the iceberg.

    The captain shrugs, fails to add 2 and 2, and rushes headlong into disaster.

    But, as Anthony mentions, he wasn’t availed of all of the tools these chuckleheads have.

    And yet – they’re stuck in ice that, according to their manifestos, simply shouldn’t exist.

  387. I just hope these latte swilling, short sighted, idiot-savants and their respective employers/organizations bear the full fiscal responsibility for their rescue. Most likely though, the “grey men” behind the project will dip into their ill gotten gains to bail out the expedition/exhibition, and also not onlytry to suppress the PR disaster but spin it into a CAGW victory.

    I suspect that the editorial staff and policy shapers at the sponsering media organizations are having some sleepless nights, one can only imagine the back room e-mail and phone calls. The comments at the Guardian are hilarious, they give me hope.

  388. @EM Smith. Thanks for the link!

    @Warren in New Zealand. Thanks for the radio reports which seem to be ahead of all the other media.

    @Alan Watt. Thanks for the Polar Star info. I’ll doubtless be referring to that in 12 days’ time….or will it be 16 days? At 21 mph she will need all her fuel to get there and back to the US and have nothing left for rescue operations, if protracted. At 15mph she will manage her fuel OK. Or do we now need a fifth rescue ship with additional fuel supplies? And a sixth with food supplies (don’t forget the bananas and milkshakes!) for 54 climate refugees crowded onto ships with food for crew only? Those research station supply ships/breakers will be departing in the opposite direction to home when they extricate themselves- to do their day job of supplying. The refugees will be plying the Southern Ocean for nearly a month before arriving home.

  389. Turney’s mission was to see how the climate has changed at Commonwealth Bay since Mawson landed there almost exactly 101 years ago.

    Well, he got his answer didn’t he.

    There is no way to spin it without sounding like a nutbar.

  390. Sometimes it takes a major disaster to bring people back from la-la land. This may be that disaster. If it is then they will become the martyrs that saved the world from the return of communism and economic ruin.

  391. @Jim

    >On position reports: Some of these vessels may be equipped with VHF-band only radio position transmitters (vs Inmarsat satellite), and this requires a land-based station/infrastructure to receive the position report and forward that info to data aggregaters for display on various websites.

    Lost? Unlikely in the sense that they can easily report where they are and there is a high likelihood listeners would by following them, considering the circumstances. They would set out to sea with equipment down to the 40 metre band as they would want to be able to talk to ships in their vicinity (a radius of 2000 km). Medical mayday’s are often put out on 20 and 15m bands because they are most likely to pick up amateur traffic there. I am sure head office knows where they are.

    If the Chinese are stuck in the ice, that was a heck of a risk to take and the con$equence$ are mighty. The Australians have also found a really inconvenient s’truth: It was a lot warmer 100 years ago.

  392. RockyRoad says:

    The vast majority of oil producers support the Global Warming meme–they certainly don’t fund the likes of WUWT or anybody else opposed to such folly.

    And now you have one of the reasons why.

    Oil co’s support AGW for one reason, PROFIT. Search on Shell oil for some real scum.

  393. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/232243/stranded-passengers-wait-for-break-in-weather

    BBC radio producer Andrew Luck-Baker, who is on the ship, says he has been told the nearby Chinese ice-breaker ship Xue Long with a helicopter on board has been stuck in ice for the last day.

    He says the Australian ice breaking ship Aurora Australis may now need to rescue the Chinese ship.

    Mr Luck-Baker says there is a degree of uncertainty about when, or if, those on board the ship will be helicoptered out.

    Earlier passengers and crew rang in the New Year with dinner, drinks and song, congregating in the bar they sang a song about their adventures.
    Lets recap
    Akademie begat the Xue Long, which begat the Astrolabe which begat the Aurora which begat the Polar Star.
    Will the Chinese Pacific Fleet be next? Which Ice Breaker is bigger than the Polar Star? Will the “tourists” arrive home in time for Nth Summer?

  394. Stephen Richards says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:31 am
    “And now you have one of the reasons why.
    Oil co’s support AGW for one reason, PROFIT. Search on Shell oil for some real scum.”

    Now, wait, there are a few clarifications necessary.
    Profit is not immoral. Without profit, you get the USSR. Companies were legal in the USSR; only profit was illegal. See how well that worked for the common man.

    Second. Supporting the AGW meme is not leading to warming. So while the Oilcos might HOPE the AGW scientists are right, and position themselves to gain oil in the arctic, this is just a bet. They don’t support AGW science to make it warm in the arctic.

    The real reason for supporting the AGW meme is that they hoped to be able to kill rival coal as that contains more carbon. Coal producers are far less concentrated economically as the barriers to entry are lower, the technology to produce it is simpler and cheaper. The Oilcos are an oligopole, the coal producers are not; an oligopole can more easily form a cartel and drive up prices.

  395. At this point, it looks like summer time may be their best hope for beneficial warming. I know the irony is already as thick as the Antarctic ice, but that global warming alarmists are in dire need of this warming that they claim is detrimental… is critical to their survival (and those of the rescuers) is a tour de force.

  396. It is interesting to see the BBC make references to the USCGC Polar Star as a potential solution to the mess we are watching unfold. They speak if as if they have advance knowledge of a tasking for that ship, yet there is no mention of one (that I know of) by USCG officials. If it were to occur, it surely would provide some extra drama to flesh out the ending of my proposed screenplay and eventual movie. ;)

    Seriously though, the Polar Star has it’s own mission to complete at McMurdo. Three other research/resupply ships have been diverted from real-world (as opposed to tourism) missions too long already. The Polar Star is fresh off a three year heavy overhaul. Although it has the capability to break through to the Russian ship, the question is would the USCG risk it? It would be a lot of time, fuel and additional maintenance demands for very little gain, imho.

  397. I think an Ig Nobel prize would be a fitting reward for the amount of scientific effort that went into this expedition.

  398. RockyRoad, DirkH, Stephan Richards,
    RE: Big Oil, prospecting, etc.
    A bit OT, but y’all might find this interesting…

    7 things everyone knows about energy that just ain’t so (2013 Edition), Kurt Cobb
    Mark Twain once said, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” And, there are many, many things that the public and policymakers know for sure about energy that just ain’t so.
    That list is very long indeed and getting longer as the fossil fuel industry (which has little interest in intellectual honesty) continues its skillful manipulation of a gullible and sometimes careless media.
    Below I’ve listed seven whoppers that it would be charitable to call misleading. Longtime readers will recognize that I’ve addressed them before in various pieces. But I thought that it would be useful to review the worst of the worst of 2013 as the year ends.

    http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2013/12/7-things-everyone-knows-about-energy.html

  399. DirkH says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:56 am

    DirkH,
    You have hit the proverbial nail on the head! A+ on your analysis!
    Mtk

  400. What has had me constantly updating reports about the Akademie is the apparent total lack of understanding about the situation this ship of fools is in. Either they have realised that they could all die, and soon, and what we are seeing is a type of mass hysteria evident in the tweets and BBC and Guardian updates, or they are totally oblivious to the danger they are in, let alone the danger they have placed the crews of the Xue Long, the Astrolabe (now released from rescue duty) and the Aurora into.

    Add in the fact that McMurdo Station has not received the supplies and technical equipment needed, the cost of keeping 2 ships on standby waiting for a break in the weather to attempt a rescue attempt, and all the “tourists” can do is treat it like a summer break at Fort Lauderdale.

    If I thought that there was no danger to their lives, I’d just leave them there till the ice melts, either a late summer melt, or next year, or the year after, as a poignant reminder of what Mother Nature thinks of CAGW and its proponents.

  401. - “How did you get trapped in ice ? we told you to ask Chris Turney where to go”
    ” Si, senor I ask the Chris’mas Turkey, and she point beak south.. So I went south”

    ..apologies to Latino’s it’s just to demonstrate mishearing between different language speakers, it could be any accent you imagine

  402. I have read elsewhere that the lead scientist, Turney, runs a company called Carbonscape that aims to “fix carbon from the atmosphere and make a host of green bi-products, helping reduce greenhouse gas levels.”

    I have found the web-site but Turney is not listed as the owner. Can anyone else verify this?

    So if this is true, as they always say… follow the money.
    Wouldn’t it be further irony that a global warming alarmists / scaremonger trying to cash in is stuck in the ice?

  403. Can anyone start a Wiki page entitled “The 2013 Akademic Shokalskiy Incident”? I’m not too savvy on Wiki editing unfortunately. Right now there is a sub-section within the main Akademic Shokalskiy page entitled ‘Incidents’ with some basic info but I don’t think that does this fiasco justice. There’s no detail, no mention of Turney’s statements about the supposed ice breakout and subsequent entrapment. I think the whole detailed unfolding of events needs to go down in history for all time. It’s an important incident that needs a page in its own right for the sake of posterity.

    After all, the insignificant town of Copiapó in Chile has its own Wiki page, but the Copiapó Mining Incident of 2010 has its own separate Wiki page as it should. The incident gripped the world for a week and thus is far more important than the town. The Shokalskiy Incident has, or should have, gripped the world for the last week. The incident is greater than the ship.

    These Wiki article sub-sections often link through to a main article if the incident is important enough, either in hindsight or as events unfold. I think events have unfolded far enough for that to happen.

  404. Would someone familiar with maritime law comment on how rescue costs are settled among the various parties? I assume the owner of the distressed vessel is ultimately responsible and carries insurance to cover it. But if as reported the Chinese ship Xue Long is itself now in need of rescue and if said rescue were to be effected by the Polar Star, does the US Coast Guard collect from the Xue Long owners and can they pass this on to the Akademik Shokalskiy owners as part of the cost of attempting a rescue they could not actually carry out?

  405. Walter Allensworth says:
    December 31, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    I have read elsewhere that the lead scientist, Turney, runs a company called Carbonscape that aims to “fix carbon from the atmosphere and make a host of green bi-products, helping reduce greenhouse gas levels.”

    I have found the web-site but Turney is not listed as the owner. Can anyone else verify this?

    So if this is true, as they always say… follow the money.
    ====================

    Here is the info, Walter!

    http://au.linkedin.com/pub/chris-turney/25/8a1/926

  406. J. Philip Peterson says:
    December 31, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    So which is it? Is the MV Xuě Lóng stuck in the ice too? There seem to be conflicting reports for the last 2 days. Is there any reason they would be hiding that fact (if it is a fact)?

    Yeah interesting, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority which has prime responsibility for the rescue of Turney’s Turkeys does not mention anything about the Xue Long being stuck in ice and now unable to mount a helicopter rescue:

    http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/

    Only the BBC says this MAY be happening:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558276

    Question now is whether the BBC is indulging in some guesswork here or whether AMSA is censoring reports (unlikely in my opinion).

    However last tweet from the man on the spot was “weather warm, wet and windy, unlikely we are flying this morning” and he seems unaware that the Xue Long is stuck in ice if that is indeed the case.

    But then again he may be just sitting there having his Eggs Benedict waiting for it all to happen.

  407. “Earlier passengers and crew rang in the New Year with dinner, drinks and song, congregating in the bar they sang a song about their adventures” Great!!!!!
    .

  408. “Earlier passengers and crew rang in the New Year with dinner, drinks and song, congregating in the bar they sang a song about their adventures”…. and then Pooh Bear said to Christopher Robin, “What a lovely time we are having on this wonderful boat trip on the ocean!”

  409. Mac the Knife says: December 31, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    7 things everyone knows about energy that just ain’t so (2013 Edition), Kurt Cobb
    Mark Twain once said, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” And, there are many, many things that the public and policymakers know for sure about energy that just ain’t so.

    http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2013/12/7-things-everyone-knows-about-energy.html

    I second this: You can take all that Curt Cob says to the bank as fact. Understanding all 7 points is more important to your future than AGW either Pro or Con. As a matter of fact future Energy prices will trump any carbon costs that any of these yahoos try to foist on anyone with their AGW agenda..

  410. regarding Radio New Zealand reports, keep in mind they are listed with BBC & Guardian at the bottom of the Expedition leaders’ page, as media connections of some kind.

    also check under “science outreach” at the top of the page u get “doodle4google”.

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-leaders/

    NBC featured De Losa as a passenger in an article, without mentioning she won the google comp:

    21 Nov:Daily Telegraph: Rohan Smith: Hornsby student Olivia Kong’s Brain Matter design Google’s favourite
    The 15-year-old’s design was deemed the very best of thousands of entries from across the country in the Doodle for Google competition.
    It will now be splashed across the Australian landing page of the world’s biggest search engine operator, Google…
    For her award-winning design, Olivia wins a Chromebook and $10,000 worth of technology for her school.
    ***Her teacher, Nicole De Losa, wins an expedition to Antarctica to bring knowledge back to her students…

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/the-hills/hornsby-student-olivia-kongs-brain-matter-design-googles-favourite/story-fngr8i1f-1226757525133

    GoogleNZ: Doodle 4 Google New Zealand 2013
    Judging Process and Prizes
    Special Prize 2013
    To celebrate our theme of Exploration, this year we’re announcing a special prize for one teacher, nominated by the Doodle 4 Google national winner’s school: a trip to the Antarctic onboard the Australasian Antarctic Expedition. The expedition prize is sponsored with thanks to ASB…

    http://www.google.co.nz/doodle4google/prizes.html

    meanwhile, google news pages barely carried stories on this fiasco, until it became impossible to ignore it and, even today, check what those AlGore-ithms choose to display:

    Scientists trapped on ship in Antarctic keep spirits up
    BBC News – ‎1 hour ago‎

    In Depth: Auld Lang Syne in the Antarctic as stranded adventurers await rescue – The Guardian

    what arrangements, if any, were made between the media & the ship’s operators, aurora edpeditions, are not yet known.

  411. negrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:18 am
    “I wonder if Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change will start replacing Acts of God in insurance contracts?”

    Can we have an association of that name – CACCA – that reports and researches instances of CACC.

    Also, slightly OT but Bob Geldof has made a starling prediction – http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/bob-geldof-the-world-could-end-by-2030-8864186.html. I wish Bob a long and happy life, long enough to get past 2030 and review his eschatological claim.

  412. After cruising generally in a North or North East direction the last day, according to the web cam, the a Aurora Australis now appears to be heading South West direction, perhaps they are heading back to the party.

    Someone a few posts back asked about the cruise speed of the Polar Star in thick ice, answer is it does not have a cruise speed. The ship has a pair of high powered gas turbine engines that can drive the ship up onto the ice, the ship’s mass then breaks it. They back off and do it a agin, so the forward speed is going to be pretty slow. My impression was that this is mostly to break through pressure ridges, not continuous thick ice. I would also think this could not be done close to another ship.

    I got to tour one of the two breakers years ago, forgot which one now, but the steel in the hull seemed really thin to me at the time. It does have a lot of reinforcing ribs which helps.

  413. Pretty good summary with lots of pictures from Daily Mail Online here . Now that I have a better idea of where they are relative to McMurdo Station, it looks like the Polar Star wouldn’t have to divert too far from present course to reach them. The Star was last reported leaving Honolulu on Dec 18 (presumably after refueling). She could take on more fuel at Invercargill, NZ if needed and then head roughly 1,500 km South to reach the trapped ships. Of course this takes time away from her scheduled duties at McMurdo.

    As others have noted, the efforts to rescue the Akademik Shokalskiy have already taken three other ships from their scheduled activities and forced other parties to curtail or abandon planned research as a result. Diverting the Polar Star would screw up a fourth set of schedules.

  414. The Akademik Shokalskiy, the Xue Long, the Astrolabe, the Aurora Australis, possibly the Polar Star, and why not also the Akademik Fedorov…

    Party time!

  415. negrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I think an Ig Nobel prize would be a fitting reward for the amount of scientific effort that went into this expedition.

    I disagree, according to http://www.improbable.com/ig/ , “The Ig Nobel Prizes honor achievements that first make people laugh, and then makes them think. The prizes are intended to celebrate the unusual, honor the imaginative — and spur people’s interest in science, medicine, and technology.” I.e. the prize is awarded to research that ultimately is worth doing, but superficially trivial or silly. The best candidates are research efforts that put the proper amount of work and yield useful results.

    This exhibition does not meet those lofty criteria.

  416. Amazing ain’t it, there are 5 media people, as in paid press staff, yet updates are contradictory and sparse.
    Poor wee presstitutes, must be tough, can not report without admitting what everyone else already knows?
    Did the IPCC cliche invent CAGW or was it all orchestrated by the same media and PR hacks who are hiding this fiasco?

  417. Let’s hope there is no repeat of the 1871 Whaling Disaster. The US whaling industry was already in decline at that point due to the discovery and refining of petroleum, but the loss of 22 ships from New Bedford, Massachusetts gutted the industry in that town.

    Although shipowners were devastated, no doubt the whales were happy.

  418. btw, as the MSM seems reluctant to list the names of Australian & New Zealand scientists on board, apart from Turney & Fogwill on the Shokalskiy, & Grant Hose on the Aurora Australis ice-breaker, check those listed here as being a part of “Leg Two”, which is what the ship is on at present. whether this indicates they are on the Shokalskiy or the Aurora Australis, who knows:

    AAE Science Team
    Both Legs

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-science-leaders/

    for the record:

    Wikipedia: Aurora Australis (ice breaker)
    Aurora Australis is an Australian icebreaker. Built by Carrington Slipways and launched in 1989, the vessel is owned by P&O Maritime Services, but is regularly chartered by the Australian Antarctic Division (AAD) for research cruises in Antarctic waters and to support Australian bases in Antarctica…
    Aurora Australis is served by a crew of 24[3] and carry up to 116 passengers accommodated in three or four-bunk cabins with attached bathrooms…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis_(icebreaker)

  419. They have there priorities in the right place with no mention of the time money and risk to rescue them. Also seem to be more concerned about being rescued by a dry ship.

    “We are preparing for evacuation to a dry ship so a few drinks seems reasonable, but we also have to be ready at a moment’s notice for the helicopter arrival so staying sober is important,” he told AFP.

    The ship has two weeks’ worth of fresh food, but Peacock said drinks are becoming sparse, with “just enough alcohol left” to ring in 2014.

  420. jorgekafkazar says:
    December 30, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Gunga Din says: “Maybe he’s trying to reinvent Pykrete?”

    Oh, yeah. I remember Pyke. He was a bit of a nutter, too. He was going to make torpedo-proof rafts of frozen ice/sawdust to cross the Atlantic. They might have actually worked.

    ===========================================================
    Actually, he proposed aircraft carriers to cover what was, at the time, a dead zone in the Atlantic during WW2 to defend against u boats. More practical answers developed but he did build a (small) successful prototype.

  421. pat says:

    December 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    .
    ***Her teacher, Nicole [b]De Losa[//b], wins an expedition to Antarctica to bring knowledge back to her students…

    Priceless. You made my day.

  422. Probably WAY more than you want to watch, but here’s a good source of Professor Turney describing the purpose of the expedition. The first video is a long story of Antarctic exploring history, but at the end he starts to explain why this group is going. Then a bunch of Q/A from his audience. I liked video 2 of 31 where he explains that as long as he can drum up the cash, he can do whatever he wants.

    http://nfsa.gov.au/schoolscreen/nfsa-connects/chris-turney-antarctic-ex/

  423. “Ulrich Elkmann says:
    December 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    pat says:

    December 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    .
    ***Her teacher, Nicole [b]De Losa[//b], wins an expedition to Antarctica to bring knowledge back to her students…

    Priceless. You made my day.”

    Too bad there’s so little knowledge to bring back….

  424. how can Daily Mail be publishing this BS from the UNSW at this moment, without even mentioning their current Expedition? i am beyond bewildered, tho the readers look like they’re filling in the cracks:

    31 Dec: UK Daily Mail: Sarah Griffiths: Earth’s temperature could rise by more than 4°C by 2100, claim scientists
    Research by the University of New South Wales found that the global climate is more affected by carbon dioxide than previously thought
    The scientists believe temperatures could rise by more than 8°C by 2200 if C02 emissions are not reduced
    The research, published in the journal Nature, found that the global climate is more affected by carbon dioxide than previously thought…
    It could also solve one of the mysteries of climate sensitivity – the role of cloud formation and whether it has positive or negative effect on global warming.
    Researchers now believe that existing climate models significantly overestimate the number of clouds protecting our atmosphere from overheating…
    Professor Sherwood told The Guardian that a rise of 4°C would likely be ‘catastrophic’ rather than just dangerous.
    ‘For example, it would make life difficult, if not impossible, in much of the tropics, and would guarantee the eventual melting of the Greenland ice sheet and some of the Antarctic ice sheet’ he said…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2531706/Earths-temperature-rise-4-C-2100-claim-scientists.html

    compare with a good news story Down Under today:

    31 Dec: JoanneNova: Skeptical view makes Australian front page: climate madness, dishonesty, fraud, deception, lies and exploitation says Maurice Newman

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/skeptical-view-makes-australian-front-page-climate-madness-dishonesty-fraud-deception-lies-and-exploition-says-maurice-newman/

  425. Warren in New Zealand says: December 31, 2013 at 9:36 am ‘This could never be made into a film, no-one would believe it.’

    If they ever filmed it their New Year party could be based on the dinner party in Carry On Up The Khyber.

  426. holts says:
    December 31, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    “Earlier passengers and crew rang in the New Year with dinner, drinks and song, congregating in the bar they sang a song about their adventures”…
    – – – – – – – – – –

    Known as breaking out the rum in order to distract/placate the mutinous on board.

    BTW, what about the tourists on medication? Medical emergencies looming when their personal supplies run out?

  427. I hope they run out of food and fuel and heavy storms prevents any kind of rescue or food drops. Much hilarity ensues.

  428. A ‘whitewash’ on the national evening news (in the US) tonight; both our ABC and NBC news networks presented this as the ‘Russian’ ship and its passengers awaiting rescue and nary a word about the cli sci/CAGW nature of the ‘mission’ …

    Typical. Uninformed. Reporting.

    No wonder their viewership has dwindled! The internet reveals the truth … (normally I don’t even schedule a ‘viewing’ of the evening news; I just wanted to see tonight what the ‘ministry of truth’ was pumping out on this event tonight.)

    .

  429. Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:02 am
    …. I also suspect insurance rates for these Antarctic “research” trips will rise sharply as a result….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Alan, first thanks for the information on the Polar Star.

    As far as the insurance goes, expect ALL insurance to go up. After 9/11 our insurance agent told us the insurance companies were increasing all rates and canceling a lot of policies. Our business insurance went up by 25%.

    This of course depends on whether or not the insurance company is even willing to pay. If it can be documented that Prof. Christmas Turkey ignored the Ship Master’s warning and didn’t pack-up and leave ASAP then Prof. Christmas Turkey (and his Univ.) could get stuck with the bill. So expect a lot of He said – She said on the subject of “Who Pays”

  430. Bishophill comments

    @Paul Matthews – Dec 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    ” ……expedition leader Turney …has set up a carbon capture company”

    Interestingly, JoNova commenter redress December 31, 2013 at 8:51 am · discovered Prof Turney decided to ‘hide/disguise’ his direct involvement by having family, rather than himself, as named shareholders:-

    The Carbonscape Holdings share registry. There is a total of 29,553,564 shares on record for this company.

    Catherine Ann TURNEY, Ian Stewart TURNEY, LATIMER TRUSTEES 2006 LIMITED 4,730,880 shares ~ 16.01%
    Christian Stewart Macgregor TURNEY 382,400 shares ~ 1.29%
    James TURNEY 290,581 shares ~ 0.98%

    Tim FLANNERY 159,733 shares ~ 0.54%

    Directors/ Officers

    Nicholas Harold GERRITSEN, director, 10 Dec 2006-
    Timothy John LANGLEY, director, 22 Jul 2007-
    inactive Benjamin Pak-ping CHEN, director, 28 Nov 2011-
    inactive Michael Robert ASHBURN, director, 10 May 2012-
    inactive Raf MANJI, director, 28 Oct 2012-
    Christian Stewart Macgregor TURNEY, director, 28 Oct 2012-

    Company Type: NZ Limited Company
    Jurisdiction: New Zealand

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/antarctic-ice-swallows-boat-media-spin/

    Dec 31, 2013 at 11:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Public

    And

    @Joe
    Chris Turney’s full name is Christian Stewart MacGregor Turney

    Dec 31, 2013 at 11:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterRichard Tol

  431. @_Jim:

    >On position reports: Some of these vessels may be equipped with VHF-band only radio position transmitters (vs Inmarsat satellite), and this requires a land-based station/infrastructure to receive the position report and forward that info to data aggregaters for display on various websites.

    Crispin in Waterloo says December 31, 2013 at 11:30 am:

    Lost? Unlikely in the sense that they can easily report where they are and …

    Ahem.

    The position ‘reporting’ via radio and display on the web is for the benefit of the data ‘consuming’ public; make no mistake, the bridge crew of those vessels are fully aware of the their position, long/lat coordinate pair and maybe even their ‘maidenhead locator’ grid square.

    Perhaps an intro to the ‘hobby’ of ship (incl position) monitoring is in order? See for a quick overview: – http://www.marinetraffic.com/p/expand-coverage

    How does this ‘system’ work – FAQ: http://www.marinetraffic.com/p/faq

    The system is based on AIS (Automatic Identification System). As from December 2004, the International Maritime Organization (IMO) requires all vessels over 299GT to carry an AIS transponder on board, which transmits their position, speed and course, among some other static information, such as vessel’s name, dimensions and voyage details.

    References – Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Identification_System

    .

  432. The response of the watermelons to this “unexpected” event shows almost decisively that CAGW is a religion, and hasn’t the remotest connection with science (unless one includes cargo cult science). These individuals will learn nothing from this event and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trenbeth were to rationalize the sudden cooling that froze the ship in thick ice as the effects of anthropogenic CO2 chasing the heat from the upper ocean levels into the deep ocean beyond the reach of our current instruments. The whole procedure is very similar to the piling on of epicycle after epicycle to preserve the dogma that the sun rotates around the earth.

    Here in Kamloops where the CAGW dogma has decreed that rainfall will become far less frequent and that winters will become warmer and drier, we’ve had one of the wettest winters I’ve ever experienced. Also, the average termperature for December was -3 C lower than in 2012. In order to deal with the coming drought, the city of Kamloops mandated that all houses have water meters so that the city could monitor water consumption so that it would be better prepared to deal with the coming drought. Sounds as if the same individuals who forecast the recent anomalous Australian “wet” droughts were employed to advise the city of Kamloops in the area of future water management.

    IMHO Gaia has a very highly developed sense of humor and it wouldn’t surprise me if she’s got some severe summer storms planned after first adding many terrajoules to Trenbeth’s “missing heat” total.

  433. Gail, Pat and others – that’s what we’ve just been discussing – who will be held financially at fault; and who will be initially paying for this fiasco. Mind you they are still trapped together and cabin fever hasn’t set in – yet, so I don’t see them turning on each other while still trapped in ice. When they get out – then the finger pointing and shouting will commence.
    AND we’ll all likely get the final bills….as usual.

  434. How many of these “tourists” are employed by the BBC?

    Or, as Benny Hill would have it, “Bloody Tourists”.

  435. SFGate (San Francisco Bay Area News):
    “Global warming researcher gets stuck in ice”
    Debra J. Saunders
    Published 3:39 pm, Monday, December 30, 2013

    http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Global-warming-researcher-gets-stuck-in-ice-5102720.php

    Saunders quotes Dr. Roy Spencer:
    “I’m sure some researchers can find a possible explanation where humans are causing both Arctic ice melting and Antarctic ice growth, but I’m skeptical of scientists who blame every change in nature on human activities. Nature routinely causes its own changes, without any help from us,” quoth Spencer, himself a climate change contrarian.

  436. Shokal’skii, Iulii Mikhailovich

    Born Oct. 5 (17), 1856, in St. Petersburg; died Mar. 26,1940, in Leningrad. Soviet oceanographer, geographer, and cartographer. Honorary member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (1939; corresponding member, 1923).

    After graduating from the Marine Academy, Shokal’skii worked at the Main Geophysical Observatory and Main Hydro-graphic Administration. From 1910 to 1930 he was a professor at the Naval Academy; beginning in 1925, he was also a professor at Leningrad State University. He served as president of the Geographic Society of the USSR from 1917 to 1931.

    Shokal’skii’s principal works dealt with meteorology, hydrology, and oceanography. From 1923 to 1927, Shokal’skii led an oceanographic expedition in the Black Sea and studied the Northern Sea Route and ways of developing the route. He headed projects summarizing hypsometric materials and compiled a relief map of Russia. With A. A. Tillo, he developed a cartometric technique and applied it to calculating the surface of the Asiatic part of Russia and the lengths of the most important rivers. Shokal’skii was the compiler and editor of a series of general geographic maps and atlases. Twelve geographic features, including a strait between islands of Severnaia Zemlia, an island at the entrance to Ob’ Bay, and an island in the Kara Strait, have been named after Shokal’skii.

    WORKS
    Okeanografiia, 2nd ed. Leningrad, 1959.
    Fizicheskaia okeanografiia. Leningrad, 1933.

  437. negrum says: @ December 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I think an Ig Nobel prize would be a fitting reward for the amount of scientific effort that went into this expedition.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    We can hope but it ain’t going to happen.
    “..The ceremony is co-sponsored by the Harvard-Radcliffe Society of Physics Students and the Harvard-Radcliffe Science Fiction Association. “ link

    Harvard, and Radcliffe? That is deep in Politically Correct, CAGW territory.

  438. “clipe says:
    December 31, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    Bishophill comments

    @Paul Matthews – Dec 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    The Carbonscape Holdings share registry. There is a total of 29,553,564 shares on record for this company.

    Catherine Ann TURNEY, Ian Stewart TURNEY, LATIMER TRUSTEES 2006 LIMITED 4,730,880 shares ~ 16.01%
    Christian Stewart Macgregor TURNEY 382,400 shares ~ 1.29%
    James TURNEY 290,581 shares ~ 0.98%

    Tim FLANNERY 159,733 shares ~ 0.54%”

    Gotta wonder who owns the other 23,989,970 (~81.2%) of the shares…
    Soros? Gore? Rockefeller, Ford, or Gates Foundations?

  439. Sorry, left off the source of the above re Shokal’skii, Iulii Mikhailovich. Wikipedia. The ship is named the Academic Shokalskii. It is interesting that his work dealt with meteorology, hydrology, and oceanography.

  440. Folks, just go take a look at http://www.christurney.com and you get the full picture of what this halfwitted stunt is all about.

    This is climate science meets twerking! Is Chris Turney the Miley Cyrus of Climate Science?

    Anthony, perhaps we could have an on-line poll to see just who is the greeeaaatesst climate science twerker? An annual award? “The Twerkeys” ?

  441. I enjoy a laugh as much as the next person. But some of these comments are going a little too far. Let’s not overstep the mark here.

    The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. Those who seem to think several metres of sea ice suddenly just froze around the ship need to check the temperatures in the area.

  442. redress says: @ December 31, 2013 at 2:44 pm
    …Words fail me…..and the ABC try and implicate the crew in the accompanying article.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That is why the Ship Master is always left out of the story. If as someone above mentioned, it was Prof. Turkey and his research crew who refused to get the lead out and get back to the ship ASAP, they may be trying to spin the story so the Ship Master is the scape goat. Can’t have the plebs realize a ‘Climate Scientist” is an utter fool.

    In the end it does not matter, The Christmas Turkey will be Persona Non Grata and his career is finished. The other research teams are NOT going to forgive him. Unfortunately the innocent will get punished too.

  443. Tim FLANNERY 159,733 shares ~ 0.54%”

    Wasn’t this guy some cAGW honcho the Australian govt? I wonder if this guy was awarded shares for a little cooperation if you know what I mean. Who would put their own cash into this thing afterall? Anyway looks a little fishie.

  444. ldd says: @ December 31, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    AND we’ll all likely get the final bills….as usual.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    No matter who is “at fault” and who pays initially pays, you are correct it will be us. Either tax payers through a government, tax payers via the government financing the university or any one with insurance if the cruise ship company pays.

    For some fun her is the advertisement for this cruise from Expeditions Online:

    http://expeditionsonline.com/tour-44/spirit-of-mawson-akademik-shokalskiy

    This is even better: http://expeditionsonline.com/vessels/expedition-ships/akademik-shokalskiy/

    And the prices: http://expeditionsonline.com/vessels/expedition-ships/

  445. Avery M says:
    December 31, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    “We can’t start a Wikipedia article about this until an MSM reporter starts to uncover the story. So email them, guys. Just FYI”

    There is no way the wikipedia will ever report the truth about anything related to the climate. Don’t try it; you will only frustrate yourself.

  446. Justa said:
    “Wasn’t this guy some cAGW honcho the Australian govt?”

    Yes, but he was quickly sacked by the new government – one of the things they have done properly. He predicted that the rain would no longer fill the dams. They filled and overflowed. Flannery had a part in the unnecessarily devastation caused by the flooding. His predictions caused the dam operators not to release water till it was too late. He is also responsible for the decision to build very expensive desalination plants, which are now mothballed.

  447. Great links Gail, thanks I especially loved the part about – we are quietly confident of successful …. indeed! Guess they’ll be re-doing January’s bookings of this ship’s schedule right about now.

  448. cynical_scientist says: @ December 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    ….The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. Those who seem to think several metres of sea ice suddenly just froze around the ship need to check the temperatures in the area.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It is the IRONY we are laughing at.

    Remember we have been hearing for years how the multi-year ice in the Arctic is all disappearing and all the ice is first year ice. We have also been hearing how the sea ice is all melting in the Antarctic too. Now Turney turns around and reverses that manta to claim It were multi-year ice what done us in Guv.

  449. @ Gail Combs:

    This of course depends on whether or not the insurance company is even willing to pay. If it can be documented that Prof. Christmas Turkey ignored the Ship Master’s warning and didn’t pack-up and leave ASAP then Prof. Christmas Turkey (and his Univ.) could get stuck with the bill. So expect a lot of He said – She said on the subject of “Who Pays”

    The Captain of the vessel is in command; Chris Turney is just the charter customer. The Captain is answerable to the owners and not the paying passengers. The insurance company has a contract with the owners and the Captain is responsible for holding up the owners’ side of that contract.

    If the actions of the chartering party interfered with the Captain’s directives then the owners (or their insurers) would have grounds for a counter-claim; I don’t know what assets there are to go after however. But this is all speculation as I haven’t seen reported any detailed account of the circumstances leading up to their current predicament. If the vessel is abandoned and lost this will all come out in the inquest.

    I know many readers/contributers at WUWT have a low opinion of climate researchers but I really can’t imagine that Chris Turney would ignore the Captain giving a firm order that the vessel will be under way to clear the ice in 10 minutes and any gear not back onboard in that time will be abandoned. And I really can’t imagine any experienced Captain putting up with a charter customer who would ignore such an order, regardless of how many Facebook “likes” he had.

    My own view (totally unsupported by anything reported to date) is simply that they were operating at the very limits of marginal conditions where even experts can get surprised. One could say we shouldn’t let tourists take part in research trips to severely hostile locations, but we’re allowing Richard Branson to solicit paying passengers for trips to space, so what’s the difference? I’ll bet all those scientists/passengers signed waivers and indemnity agreements which leave them no basis to complain.

    The real issue for me is the extent to which a single Antarctic research/tourist expedition getting in trouble can commandeer limited rescue resources and thereby disrupt other planned research. I suspect when all is accounted for, the Spirit of Mawson expedition will have conducted net negative research.

    The one thing we can be certain of is the lawyers will make money on this.

  450. Gail Combs says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    . . . In the end it does not matter, The Christmas Turkey will be Persona Non Grata and his career is finished. The other research teams are NOT going to forgive him. Unfortunately the innocent will get punished too.
    —————————————————————————–
    More likely, he will go on tour to tell how he was done in by climate change and he will later get larger grants for a new expedition.

  451. Gail Combs says:
    December 31, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    Well, Gail, as per your advertisement for this cruise from Expeditions Online….
    “Extended period in the Commonwealth Bay, East Antarctic coastline area.”
    Refreshingly honest for this lot I would say.

  452. cynical_scientist says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    “I enjoy a laugh as much as the next person. But some of these comments are going a little too far. Let’s not overstep the mark here.”
    We’re not laughing -we’re mocking and justly so – comments going to far are on other sites but not here. MODS here have been outstanding on this endeavor.

    “The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. Those who seem to think several metres of sea ice suddenly just froze around the ship need to check the temperatures in the area.”

    You have no more of proof that’s this years ice, last year’s ice or the ice from the year before that…
    and what difference at this point does it make? They were suppose to be the ‘smart’ people and yet they couldn’t figure out that wind blows ice around? Satellites show where the ice is. Oodles of information on wind is easily available to anyone with a computer/phone.
    I don’t think that they’ll die there, least I hope not, but I do hope they get very uncomfortably delayed to the point they crave to be on dry unfrozen land with fresh bananas, out of their non-crusty under garments and never wanting ice in their beverages for a long time to come.
    I also hope that no one DIES rescuing these happily partying “smart” people …
    Do hope you fans of this excursion are starting to raise funds for this “little” misadventure as we’re all tapped out from the forced carbon taxes on the very power we need to warm our homes and cook our meals for our families sustenance.

    P.S. Don’t you find it at all ironic that you can openly speak your mind here but I/we here, can’t on any CAGW pushing sites, like the Guardian or BBC?

  453. cynical_scientist says:
    December 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    I enjoy a laugh as much as the next person. But some of these comments are going a little too far. Let’s not overstep the mark here.
    The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship.

    The ice has been there all winter/fall/summer. I’ve been watching the sea ice and it has been slowly receding. However, the rate is much slower than previous years. Some of that is because the ice from previous years did not melt and some of it is due to colder water. However, the ice has been in the general area for a long time with the normal wind blown drifting moving it around. It had to be a very dangerous place when they approached the ice pack. Although open areas no doubt existed (and still do), the ice wasn’t hiding.

  454. I don’t know if anyone was posted this yet, but the IRONY just gobsmacked me.

    The British “explorers” on board the MV Explorer who were “commemorating the Spirit of Shackleton” found themselves repeating HIS adventure when their ship struck a piece of submerged ice and then SANK in the Antarctic in November of 2007! None of the passengers or crew were lost. But HOW AMAZING is it that both the “Spirit of Mawson” trip AND the “Spirit of Shackleton” cruise trips ended in disaster from sea ice?????

    http://www.jamescairdsociety.com/shackleton-news-104519.htm

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/news/explorer-sinks-antarctica.html

    I mean…come on. What are the odds?

  455. “The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it.”

    agreed. thanks for the perspective..

  456. Aphan says: (December 31, 2013 at 7:16 pm)

    I mean…come on. What are the odds?

    Amazing! I can hardly wait for someone to propose recreating the Donner Expedition.

  457. The captain of the Shokalsky is Igor Kiselyov, I’m assuming from his name that he (and the crew) came with the charter of the ship.
    The captain and only the captain can be held held responsible if the ship becoming trapped was a result of human error.

  458. “Richard Day says: December 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    I hope they run out of food and fuel and heavy storms prevents any kind of rescue or food drops. Much hilarity ensues.

    How odd, just when suspiciously troll like comments start to crop up; along comes somebody who truly espouses the warmista methods.

    Shame on you for even thinking any real humans share in such distressingly poor jocularity! Go back to RC or Penn State.

  459. “cynical_scientist says: December 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    I enjoy a laugh as much as the next person. But some of these comments are going a little too far. Let’s not overstep the mark here.

    The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. Those who seem to think several metres of sea ice suddenly just froze around the ship need to check the temperatures in the area.”

    I may not disagree with the comments too far statement, but you leave me baffled by the followup multiyear ice statement which I suppose is to lessen the image of sheer stupidity on display near Antarctica.

    Did that sneaky old ice creep up in the darkness (at Antarctica in the summer!?) and surround them while they snoozed or played shufflegraph or whatever the CAGW faithful do when they’re having a good time. No, it was there and they cruised right into it.

    Tell you what, let’s wait till various marine authorities finish their investigations and the results get published. Then we should get a good idea just why an Antarctica experienced ship captain decided to sail into heavy sea ice conditions.

  460. [Rant][Rhetorical]
    Multi-year ice, new ice, wet ice, dry ice.
    Blah Blah Blah.
    Somebody get me a bullshit meter for all the crap Turney is churning out.
    This warmist is in more denial than a drunk in a dumpster.
    Maybe because it’s the dimwitted hand-picked team he took with him.
    Somebody freaking tell me why Leticia Lentini – Events and Branding Marketing Manager for Google Australia and New Zealand is part of the science team for this fiasco.
    WTF is she going to do, She must be running around the ice, stamping Google Doodles on the penguins.
    Then we got Jonathan Palmer – Dendrologist on board.He is said to be leading the tree ring dating. Oh yeah. Is this some kind of joke. Tree rings in the Antarctic. No, tell me it isn’t so. Maybe hes starting some kind of new mating ritual Gather around the flotsam and either correctly count its rings, or ask Leticia for a lil kisseepoo.
    Oh the travesty.
    If you ask me, I think they should have brought their shore based operation with them.
    Andy Baker – Environmental Monitor. now there is a guy they would have loved to had on board.
    He could have monitored the direction of the ship into the Green.
    Then lastly, the 3-headed Hydra. The trio of modellers.Matthew England, Nick Golledge, and Stephanie Waterman. Maybe they could have simple made the multi-year ice simply vanish with their years of modelling oceans and ice sheets and climate. Oh my !
    Turney, youre a nutjob. First you got no sense to stand up and announce to the world what you were doing there. You have kept mum and have allowed MSM call you a ‘tourist’, and picked a tree-ring counter and a advertising marketer as part of your science team, probably leaving your best science team behind, whom could have help you avoid this whole fiasco.
    My god, you can’t make this up.
    /rant /rhetoric

  461. A Dendrologist on a “scientific” exhibition to Antarctica? There was a whole thread recently about what is a scientist, yet, somehow, nobody got so far afield as to even imagine a dendrologist going to do science in Antarctica. What’s next? Drilling for ice cores in the Amazon? Honestly, you can’t make this stuff up.

  462. Did that sneaky old ice creep up in the darkness (at Antarctica in the summer!?) and surround them while they snoozed or played shufflegraph or whatever the CAGW faithful do when they’re having a good time.

    Perhaps they were playing Hide the decline or Hide the Increase in SH Ice.

  463. “The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else, was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship. Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. ” – C.S.

    Turney attributed his entrapment to “climate change.” Do you believe that one too? Secondly nobody really cares or made any issue about the origin of the ice. Only whacked out AGW freaks would think that the age of the ice holds some kind of pro-AGW significance. The master-mind of these ice follies is very much a candidate for ridicule.

  464. Andrew W says:
    December 31, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    The captain of the Shokalsky is Igor Kiselyov, I’m assuming from his name that he (and the crew) came with the charter of the ship.
    The captain and only the captain can be held held responsible if the ship becoming trapped was a result of human error.

    Maybe he was also brainwashed by this Climatechage/Globalwarming religion?

    Looking out to sea and chanting the mantra “there is no ice, there is no ice” because CAGW says so ! Or maybe group mentality caught him? : “Do you see the ice ? Noo, what ice? Just surface stuff, models say no ice”

  465. Ric Werme says December 31, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Revkin’s Dot earth blog at http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/rescue-effort-for-trapped-antarctic-voyage-disrupts-serious-science/?_r=0 has a good column with Email notes from someone directly impacted by the Aurora Australis’ interrupted unload to go rescue the Spirit of Mawson exhibition. The ship was only 1/3 unloaded when the call came in.


    The window of access in the Antarctic is small, I’m sure this fiasco will have major impact for the rest of the summer.

    Good point; this will have a rippling effect, unforseen and unobserved for the moment by the so-called ‘mediots’ in the business of synthesizing ‘news’ and the reporting of same …

    All because, a grand-standing attention-seeker (Turney) sought to ‘joy ride’ in a dangerous, frozen environment known for ‘enveloping’ and eventually overwhelming meager human endeavors and slowly evolving into circumstances that result in the unfortunate loss of human life … these frozen climes are no place for un-prepared happy-go-lucky cli sci ‘amateurs’ out for a good time and the ‘press’ that puts their name in lights.

    I am now wondering what part alcohol and an open bar might have played all around in the bad decision made to ‘challenge the ice'; probably none. Still, the thought persists …

    .

  466. On the Andrew Bolt blog, there is a comment in an interview that the wife and Children
    of turney are also on the voyage.

    This raises questions, are they paying tourists or is their fare paid for ?

    The UNSW is listed as providing financial support. So presumably there are risk assessments at UNSW that will list all the passengers. This information is probably accessible at
    the Faculty level and is probably subject to FOI. I assumed someone other than
    Turney approved the risk assessment. Was this trip supported by external research
    grants?

    Part of the risk assessment should indicate procedures to be followed in case of
    problems, e.g. [protocol for rescue and who will pay for that rescue.

    Documentation at UNSW will also indicate the sources of funding to pay to the trip.

    There is also problem that Ph.D. students are on the trip. Is the data to be gathered
    essential for their Ph.D. If yes, waht is plan B? If no, then why are they on the trip,
    e.g. is it just scientific tourism?

  467. @cynical scientist, yeah right.
    This is shaping up to end badly,
    It is Antarctica, known for killing the clueless and stupid.
    The ice is continuing to press in on the ship, the weather is known to change for even worse, very quickly.
    The needy are, by their own admission, absolutely oblivious to their danger.
    They have endangered the crews of 3 other ships, two of which are fighting to maintain position, to further risk their lives, to rescue these idiots.
    3 countries research projects have been interrupted, possible writing off this seasons work, but the pretty boys are whining about narrow beds and running out of booze.
    Then there are 5 so called journalists on board, yet they cannot inform their public of the obvious?
    As a satire you could not make this situation up.
    Mockery is too good for these activists.
    Extortion is in order, they pay up now or the rescuers leave them to seek their global warming.
    Watching the Snow Dragon and Aurora sail over the horizon, might, just might, help these characters focus.

  468. @ negrum says:
    December 31, 2013 at 10:40 am
    ——————–
    Oh BS to you negrum ! I feel sorry for you that you can’t call it out for what it is…

    Too much blah, blah, blah and blah going on to present the truth which is they (AGW types) have been lying, are lying and will continue to lie. Hell, they are lying right now is desperate attempts to CYA this unfortunate event in Antarctica and that is CLEARLY obvious in the international media.

    Man-up and speak the truth about this horrendous cancer on science called AGW !

  469. Funny! On the news today here in Australia the “passengers” of this failed expedition are on the ice “flattening” out the snow trying to make a landing pad for the Chinese helicopter. I don’t think the pilot will be too impressed!

  470. Might this incident be remembered, years from now, as the single defining moment when reason, hubris, and irony supplied the straw that broke the camel’s back of CAGW.

  471. The University of New South Wales’s Antarctic Propaganda Expedition has been bungled as their top Global Warming / Climate Change Scientist Professor Chris Turney is trapped in (supposedly non-existent) Antarctic Summer sea ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMWvdwgwZU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUAR0Oi4L0Om4F26uwpANgCg

    After getting stuck Turney was quoted as saying; “We are stuck in our own excrement”.

    Prof Turney organised the trip to “Assess the impact of human-caused Global Warming in the Antarctic” by re-tracing the voyage of Mawson, made in 1912 to Commonwealth Bay in the Antarctic. Mawson sailed there in 1912 in open waters, yet warmist Prof Turney is stuck fast in 4 meter thick sea ice.
    Now we know how the supposed ‘human-caused global warming’ is affecting Antarctica; – its a hell of a lot colder and there is a hell of a lot more ice now than when Mawson was there in 1912.
    This propaganda exercise was funded by the BBC, Australia’s ABC and the Guardian newspaper; since the scientists and activists got stuck on Christmas Eve, it has been hardly mentioned in these media sources or in other mainstream media. All reference to the real reason for the expedition has been deleted and it has now been re-badged as a ‘cruise’.

    Amazingly, warmist Prof Turney thinks its still not cold enough, quote; “The inevitable conclusion (from our research) is emission targets (of 80% in the EU) will have to be lowered further still.”
    Maybe he wants the ice to be over his head as well as under his feet?
    I wonder just why anyone is still listening to these fraudsters???

    Mawson’s trip to an ice-free commonwealth bay in 1912 is here; http://mawsonshuts.antarctica.gov.au/cape-denison/building-the-base

    Tim Flannery; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRT7dlUu3Y0
    David Karoly; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHiwp_tq7XU
    Alarmists are the Real Deniers; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spa35uBZJv8
    Donna Laframboise Part 1 of the IPCC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPz2QnD0HFg
    UKs Economic Suicide — The Climate Change Act; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_V5alLmoBs
    IPCC Doomed as AR5 is panned by climate scientists; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAtoRyJ_3AQ
    John Cooks 97% Consensus Fiction; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-LVhNM5fA
    Wind Farms Part 1; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiFMpzKk74
    Murry Salby Part 1; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li75zFoaKlI

    Charles Mackay wrote: “Men go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

  472. john robertson says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    “… Watching the Snow Dragon and Aurora sail over the horizon, might, just might, help these characters focus.”
    *******************************
    That would be entirely in keeping with the “Spirit of Mawson” who missed his ship Aurora by just 6 hours. Oh the weight of irony this story is generating will probably crush their ship long before the ice does.

  473. Here’s a problem I have with the whole thing.

    In 2010, the Mertz glacier tongue (the part that sticks out into the sea when a glacier reaches the shore and keeps going) was broken off by a huge iceberg called B09B, that had been “nudging” and battering into the side of the Mertz tongue for almost 18 years. The debris along with the remains of B09B moved north and west into Commonwealth Bay-where Mawson’s expedition base camp was. They filled in and froze in the bay three years ago. Satellite images captured the whole event beautifully.

    The captain of the ship KNEW this because the ship/cruise ships webpage states that it cannot promise any passengers that they would make it to land to visit Mawson’s huts/camp due to the passage being blocked by ice and the iceberg, and it being summer and all, the ice might not be safe to travel across.

    Now, the Mertz tongue had FORMERLY kept random sea ice chunks from entering the bay. It acted as a sort of “shield” and deflected anything floating out and around it into open water. Prior to 2010, getting into Mawson’s Commonwealth Bay was fairly easy to do in the summer without encountering a lot of ice at all.

    But for THREE years, scientists, anyone who checks a satellite image once in a while, or reads an occasional article on the area, and ALL ship captains who take cruises there, has KNOWN that conditions near the Bay are unpredictable and different than they had been before. They KNEW that the “protection” of the Mertz tongue was GONE, and that any OLD ice in the area could easily at least damage their ships, if not seal them in during a storm.

    So why…why on earth would ANY knowledgeable ship’s captain, familiar with the conditions and fierce events of that region, anchor a ship at the edge of a sea ice sheet that is known to shift, ESPECIALLY in the summer when the natural temps cause the ice on the shelves to calve more and break free? A captain who KNOWS that the sea ice blows into the Bay area MORE when south east winds blow? A captain who knew he was STILL two miles from open water as a storm blew in?

    Was the captain stupid? Inexperienced? Pressured by the “media” presence on board? Or the AGW activist/scientists that couldn’t claim AGW was melting the Antarctic if they didn’t actually get to explore it where Mawson did?

    Just how much about the Commonwealth Bay area did Chris Turney KNOW before he left? Did he research the area for years and have a perfect knowledge of the “new” shore conditions in that area since 2010? Or did he just pick a popular meme (Mawson) and decide to ride it’s coattails to media fame (by bringing along his own reporters) and head out with a group of innocent citizens who thought it sounded like a fun and “noble” thing to do?

  474. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Shokalskiy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Xue_Long

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Astrolabe_%28icebreaker%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis_%28icebreaker%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Polar_Star_%28WAGB-10%29

    All ice breakers are not the same. Compare Polar Star with three propeller shafts with the other four. Polar Star has 3 each 25,000 HP gas turbines each driving one shaft + 6 each 3,000 HP Diesel Generators that power electric propulsion motors for 18,000 HP cruising at sea.

    US CBS TV said at the beginning of this the Akademik Shokalskiy pushed through two miles of floating ice to reach the ice shelf where they stopped and people went exploring on the ice, When the offshore wind clocked around 180 degrees the shore parties were recalled but parties were as much as eight miles from the ship. Once everyone was aboard a blizzard began and a decision was made to wait for improved visibility before leaving. When visibility improved they found they were trapped by wind blown ice.

    On another climate related subject San Diego is experiencing the weather that made San Diego famous. A strong high pressure system centered over the four corners area is keeping us warm. 70s-80s days 40s-60s nights. We have had this weather since mid December and tonight weather forecast said at least another ten days. Normally December and January are our rainy season. The last time we had Christmas – New Years beach weather was 2004-05.

  475. Apparently a facor in this fiasco, as I have read in other blogs, is land-based ice is melting, running into the sea and freezing contributing to expanding sea ice and sea level rises.

  476. Adding to the info on ships sunk on expeditions to the Antarctic. In 1986 the expedition dubbed “in the footsteps of Scott” had 3 people retrace Scott’s trip to the pole. (Swan, Mears and Wood”.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Swan

    Whilst enroute their vessel, the Southern Quest” was crushed and sunk by pack ice. All persons had to be rescued by military personnel at McMurdo.

    Whatever you do do not name an expedition to Antarctica as something to do with historical figures. The original explorers were “deadly serious” in their endeavours. The more recent wannabes are game playing by comparison.

  477. Redress quotes:
    “Chris Turney is leading the team of scientists, meteorologists, marine ecologists, oceanographers, ice-core and tree-ring specialists”
    Tree-ring specialists? Are they for real? Probably swabbing the decks. (hope it’s Mann!)

  478. “To minimise our impact on the planet, the AAE will offset its carbon emissions by planting trees. Not just any trees, nor just anywhere. As Sir Douglas Mawson quoted above, images of the New Zealand kauri (Agathis australis) have long been a source of inspiration and admiration to explorers and travellers alike. Kauri is also a relic from a bygone era; tracing its lineage back to when Antarctica and New Zealand shared a common link as parts of the supercontinent Gondwanaland. The AAE is delighted to announce a grove of kauri trees will be planted in its natural range on a property owned by The Kauri Museum at Matakohe, Northland, New Zealand; the world’s first carbon neutral museum.”

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/our-legacy/

    How many kauri trees will they have to plant to compensate for all the carbon they are using up with this trip and the rescue attempts? They might need to a planting area larger than the entire North Island of New Zealand.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up !

  479. More funnies! A tourist flight above Antarctica to see in the new year. I hope they bought plenty of carbon offsets. Looked like a 737 sized plane, ~300 “passengers?

    • About carbon emiisions there is no problem at least with the AAE. They have already planned ahead and calculated them with a special tool. Now they will plant new zealand kauri trees that will wash them free from all environmental sins within 50 years of growing time.

      And they have been very wise to choose the kauri tree. As this species lives up to 2000 years, even the carbon emissions from thr rescue actions are included. So in about 500 years every trace of CO2 from that Expedition will have vanished.

  480. “Patrick says: December 31, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Apparently a facor in this fiasco, as I have read in other blogs, is land-based ice is melting, running into the sea and freezing contributing to expanding sea ice and sea level rises.”

    Well that’s bogus CAGW twaddle. Watch the Antarctic time lapse link posted by Ulric above.
    Ask those silly posters of that info how did that land ice melt? Then ask how that melted water reach miles out to sea?

    Ranks right up there with Turney’s silly statement about the ice pulling salt out of the seawater so that it was almost fresh water beneath the boat.

  481. “It is very simple. At minus 55, ice melts and runs into the sea as fresh water. The hot Sea Water melts floating ice. This all freezes at minus 55 and results in even more ice. Some call it magic but climate “scientists” know better. Sigh.

  482. “clipe says:

    December 31, 2013 at 3:54 pm”

    All the Turney family are shareholders. I’d imagine his wife is secretary, but more interestingly it’s registered in New Zealand. I am sure there is a vaild tax reason why the company is registered there, ie, company tax is lower in NZ than in Australia.

  483. “ATheoK says:

    December 31, 2013 at 10:48 pm”

    I agree, but you do have to laugh when you read posts like that. But some people just don’t want to face facts, even when we have actual visual proof the area was ice free in 1912 and packed solid enough to require icebreakers in 2013/14. Somthing has gone seriously wrong in 100 years.

  484. I’ve been trying to piece together what’s going on with the ice in this area. Here’s a short summary.

    1987 Iceberg B09B calved from the Ross Ice Shelf.

    1992 B09B had drifted to just east of the Mertz Glacier tongue, but remained grounded.

    Late 2002 B09B begins to move again toward Mertz.

    Feb 2010 Iceberg B09B collided with the Mertz Glacier tongue, breaking it off. It already had large cracks and was expected to calve anyway soon.

    Turney in his Dec 30 blog post incorrectly states “In 2010, a large iceberg known as B09B, calved from the continent and collided spectacularly with the extended tongue of the Mertz Glacier.” It calved in 1987.

    The calved Mertz Glacial tongue created Iceberg C28. C28 drifted west affecting the main polynya adjacent to the glacier.

    Some months later C28 split into several sections and most moved out into open water.

    Meanwhile B09B remained east of the remaining Mertz glacier tongue for a while, then slowly moved west. Today it is in the area of Commonwealth Bay.

    The Polynyas have largely returned to normal. Good timing the WUWT Polynya article. The Polynya acts like a sea ice factory.

    Both B09B and C28 have resulted in considerable ice in and around Commonwealth Bay since 2010. Much of it dense and thick multi-year ice. This was well known to the expedition before they left.The effects of this ice movement and changes in the polynyas have been studied for years.

    The heavy ice in the area has (in theory) affected the Penguin population around Commonwealth Bay. Supposedly, this is one of the things this expedition wanted to investigate. The day they got stuck in the ice, they were out counting penguin nests. The population should rise again once B09B and the the “fast ice” around it moves out.

    The CAGW meme will have to be that B09B and later C28 calved as a result of global warming, and this series of events over 26 years resulted in large amounts of ice where the ship is stuck.

  485. “Apparently a factor in this fiasco, as I have read in other blogs, is land-based ice is melting, running into the sea and freezing contributing to expanding sea ice and sea level rises.”

    Yes, and somehow the warmie blogs thinks that indicates AGW. Except that the Antarctic has seasons. EVERY year, sea ice extent halves in summer from 19m sq k to about 9m and so presumably there’s some melt on land too (as temps push towards + double digits). It’s called “summer” not cAGW. Of course, any melting in the Arctic (even if there’s an undersea volcano) is by definition cAGW.

  486. u.k.(us) says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:11 pm
    We’ve all had our fun.
    Now let’s get everybody out alive.

    But not until our valiant tourists have had a cold, harsh slap of reality. Please. They’re in sore need of a clue-by-four. The southern sea ice minimum is around when? March? It would be nice if Mother Nature relents only around then.

  487. Katherine says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    “But not until our valiant tourists have had a cold, harsh slap of reality. ”

    Maybe this will cure them of their denial…

  488. ATheoK says:
    “Did that sneaky old ice creep up in the darkness (at Antarctica in the summer!?) and surround them while they snoozed or played shufflegraph or whatever the CAGW faithful do when they’re having a good time. No, it was there and they cruised right into it.”

    We know that the ice wasn’t there in too large of quantities when they got to their current location (otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten to said location – or in the very least getting there was much, much, much harder then they are letting on), was all of sudden surrounding them for 2-3 miles after they all went inside to finish their afternoon tea or whatever, and they are currently sitting at minimum 16 miles from open sea surrounded by ice that is up to at least 10 feet thick…

    If this massive amount of nothing but old ice (probably 30-50 miles worth of it, at minimum) really was already in the nearby area and just started blowing around the boat at a speed quick enough to sneak up on the crew, then would it not be a bit of a miracle that the ship is still even upright at this point?

  489. Turney was just interviewed on our ABC 7:30 programme and lamented that they were ;

    1.Heading back and just 2nm from open ocean when the ice closed in,

    2. the population of Adelie penguins had ‘crashed’ since Mawson’s visit

    3. climate change had shifted the Antarctic wind patterns unfavourably.

    No cross questioning by the ABC of course.
    I fear that they are milking the publicity and sympathy factor for all it is worth.

  490. Am I envisaging this correctly? I’ve never been to Antarctica, but have seen pictures.
    To count penguins and follow where Mawson trod they had to get onto the land (or at least ice/snow on the land) thus requiring the ship to sail through lots of loose sea ice. A large party of people are put onto the land and the trudge off as much as 8 miles away aiming to count penguins along the way. While they are away the weather changes and they are recalled. By the time they get back on board the weather is so bad that the captain decides to stop where they are rather than risk ramming the loose ice they sailed through on the way in.
    My guess is that a 16 miles round trip would be at least 5 hours, quite possibly considerably longer depending on penguin counting and also the fitness level of the tourists.
    Presumably a considerable delay occurred between noting the change in weather and actually getting everyone back on board. In fact, since visibility has dropped so much that sailing is stopped, presumably the last bit of the walk back would have been under atrocious conditions.
    How many tourists are allowed onto the continent in a season? And are they allowed to travel away from the ship on an at least 5 hour trek, considerably longer if they were carrying serious emergency gear?

  491. This 1932 article demonstrates that, unlike the modern era, the warming in the 1920/1940 period affected both poles whilst highlighting the continued retreat of the glaciers generally and in Greenland and Alaska specifically;

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23150667?searchTerm=greenland%20%20melting&searchLimits=

    “Some great world change is taking place on the Antarctic Continent. Its glaciers are shrinking. L.A. Bernacchi, who visited the South Polar land 30 years ago, says that the Great Ice Barrier which fronts the continent with a wall of ice for 250 miles has receded at least 30 miles since it was first seen and surveyed. Sir James Ross…on the earliest Antarctic expedition of the nineteenth century, and those who followed him, left clear descriptions of this tremendous ice frontage and its position. It was a cliff 150ft. high and 1000ft. thick. But now it appears to be continuing its century-long process of shrinking; and that process may have been going on for centuries. It might imply, unless it is offset by some increase of ice in another less explored part of the Antarctic, that the climate of the South Pole is changing and becoming warmer.

    The shrinkage of the Alpine glaciers of Europe is a well-known and carefully measured fact. Professor Buchanan, of. Edinburgh, drew attention to it twenty years ago, and showed from old and accurate drawings of (many) that they were retreating rapidly. This led to the continuous measurement of the Swiss glaciers (and) examination of other glaciers of the Northern Hemisphere, Greenland, Alaska, and elsewhere. Prom these measurements many geologists concluded that the northern part of the globe was still recovering from the last of its Ice Ages, of which the more southerly of its glaciers in Europe were a relic. If all the glaciers of the Southern Hemisphere as well as those of the Northern are shrinking, the geologists would have a new problem to examine. It would be whether, instead of areas of cold and ice having shifted on the earth, the whole globe is growing warmer. Even if that could be shown the change might prove to be temporary.”

    Historical note on Louis Bernacchi

    “Bernacchi studied astronomy, magnetism, meteorology and physics at Melbourne Observatory and made significant contributions to science during his two Antarctic expeditions.”

    http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/history/people/louis-bernacchi

    tonyb

  492. ATheoK says:
    December 31, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    “Richard Day says: December 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    I hope they run out of food and fuel and heavy storms prevents any kind of rescue or food drops. Much hilarity ensues.”
    How odd, just when suspiciously troll like comments start to crop up; along comes somebody who truly espouses the warmista methods.
    Shame on you for even thinking any real humans share in such distressingly poor jocularity!
    ————————————————
    re: espouses the warmista methods
    it’s sad isn’t it. when the official party line, throughout the globe, is to raise energy and therefore all other prices, make people poor and brainwash them to think that a 1 in 20,000 part change in the atmosphere is what should drive official policy in so many areas of our lives.

  493. *****BBC’S ANDREW LUCK-BAKER: BEGINS WITH DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY – NOT SURE WE’LL BE HELICOPTER EVACUATED TOMORROW OR POSSIBLY AT ALL!!! WE WERE EXPECTING THE CHINESE ICE-BREAKER TO BE ALONGSIDE THE AUSTRALIAN ICE-BREAKING VESSEL & THEN THE HELICOPTER WOULD FLY TO GET US, BUT IT NOW TRANSPIRES THE CHINESE VESSELL HASN’T MOVED FOR A DAY, FAIRLY DEEP IN THE ICE, 10 MILES FROM THE ICE EDGE, & THERE’S CONCERN IT IS STUCK. FOR THE RESCUE TO GO AHEAD, THE TWO ICE-BREAKERS BOTH HAVE TO BE SIDE BY SIDE IN CLEAR WATER, SO THAT IS NOW UNCERTAIN IF THE CHINESE ICE-BREAKER IS STUCK AND THE AUSTRALIAN ICE-BREAKER IS UNABLE TO FREE IT:

    1:43: AUDIO: BBC: Uncertainty over Antarctic helicopter rescue plan

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25558853

    He doesn’t sound happy.

  494. pat says:
    January 1, 2014 at 1:35 am

    On the audio clip, when Andrew Luck-Baker says “Things are very much up on the air at the moment…” do you think he was he being sarcastic? I think he has a sarcastic-sounding surname. Just saying.

  495. NotSure says: “If this massive amount of nothing but old ice […] then would it not be a bit of a miracle that the ship is still even upright at this point?”

    The captain of Aurora Australis’ :
    “It wasn’t all multi-year ice, there was some first-year ice, which can be thick, especially if it’s old first-year ice…”

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/aurora-australis-abandons-attempt-to-save-akademik-shokalskiy-in-antarctica-20131230-302na.html

    If icy water, formed in low temperatures, blow into their area the scientific conclusion is strange weather pattern due to climate change. ;) Let’s hope the Russian ship is in good shape when ice breaks up. I guess they’ll need to be rescued if machinery is damaged.

  496. “J. Herbst says:

    January 1, 2014 at 12:55 am”

    I have a picture of recovered swamp Kauri that is apparently ~4.5 million years old. As well as pictures of Tane Mahuta (The Father of the Forrest) I understand to be the last of the largest Kauri trees still living. My New Zealand citizenship tree, native Totara, is planted north of Wellington and if it lives to adulthood, will be 500 years old (I have to find that picture). But they are very slow growing trees.

  497. Patrick says:
    December 31, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Apparently a facor in this fiasco, as I have read in other blogs, is land-based ice is melting, running into the sea and freezing contributing to expanding sea ice and sea level rises.
    __________________________
    I read on another blog that Global Warming (mankind) is causing the increased sea ice by making the seas warmer. That’s right- warmer water means more ice. This idea has been proclaimed by the warmunist community since a “scientific- peer reviewed paper” (Zhang, 2007) was published. Do you think this might be a factor, too? Warmer water freezes more ice?

  498. I tried to post this on Intrepid Science’s Facebook page.
    OK … I admit from the start that I am not a scientist so I probably don’t understand the scientific aspects of all this stuff. The only peer reviews I’d get are hardly laudable, let alone publishable … but ‘google’ is my friend.
    You say in your facebook post that … “New Year’s day has been very wet and ridiculously warm. We have had temperatures up to 2˚C. But on the plus side it has rounded the edges of the ice and taken some of the pressure off the ship. Still poor visibility.”
    I immediately felt for you and your resolute crew. I guess you’d rather be back at work as Professor of Climate Change at the UNSW rather than toughing it out with your fellow travellers.
    However a casual ‘google’ search revealed that temperatures of “up to 2˚C” in December and January are pretty normal; in fact it more than doubles that “ridiculously warm” temperature and leaps to 5˚C in those months in the particular area in which you are embarrassingly stuck.

    http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/antarctica%20environment/climate_graph/climate_weather.htm

    The “very wet” rain is hardly a scientific term but again it looks on a casual and uneducated glance at the records that this piece of Antarctica gets between 200mm and 400mm of rain.

    You must have struck a particularly average spell of ‘weather’ in Antarctica.
    I’m in Adelaide and our annual average is 550mm or so and coincidentally we have today had some very wet rain.
    The garden is looking good at the moment.
    Keep morale high

  499. Happy New Year everyone!

    My brother, who is an amateur Arctic/Antarctic expeditions historian writes to me the following:

    “Perhaps they need to follow earlier methods of freeing ships stuck in Anrarctic pack-ice. These might include:

    1. Get the ice saws out and cut the ice around the ship until a stretch of open water permits a turnround and space to ram the ice. Shortage of men and saws to perform the task might well prevent such an escape.
    2. Bore holes in the ice and set a chain of explosives under the ice sufficint to create an ice free lane on detonation. Lack of suitable explosives might be a problem.
    3. Abandon the ship and start walking Shackleton style. Lack of a leader might be an issue.

    Mawson, by the way, had some difficulties during his expedition, an epic journey, which I think was to locate the South Magnetic Pole. Two sledges, plenty of dogs and two men one Swiss and the other Mawson set off believing that success was assured. Unfortunately some considerable distance into the journey, the Swiss chappie drove his sledge and dogs into a crevasse never to be seen again. Further misfortune arose when Mawson realised that his [own] sledge had the tents, scientific equipment and very little food and fuel. You can guess where the important stuff was! An epic return journey followed, Mawson eating his way through the edible bits from his sledge dogs, their furry remains and bones being fed to the dogs still to be eaten. He arrived back at his starting point only to see the ship that was to return the expedition to civilisation leaving the expedition anchorage. He was fortunate that the expedition hut was manned by a volunteer who was to remain over winter and was able to signal the ship that Mawson had arrived. Such stuff made for legends!”

    I do hope our Guardianista Warmists can restrain themselves from welcoming back their ‘heroes’ when they get airlifted back to civilisation. Any celebration would be an insult to so many worthy explorers who went before – and knew what it was to suffer.

  500. Is the english translation of Akademik Shokalskiy, Academic’s Shonky? Just wondering…!

  501. You’re a hard man Harry.
    My goodness, they’ve been out of bananas and peanuts. How much human suffering should they bear?
    cn

  502. It’s a very bad episode for real science in Antarctica:
    The Bolt Report (see updates)

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/somethings_cracking_and_its_not_the_ice_around_the_warmists_ship/

    point out how folks that are waiting on supplies and science gear may lose another year — it IS summer and the window for shipping is very short.

    Maybe some good will come out of this such as banning “climatologists” from waters south of 40 degrees South latitude.

  503. Teddi says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    “Man-up and speak the truth about this horrendous cancer on science called AGW !”
    ——-
    I am quite man enough; you come across as an over-entusiastic puppy :)

    To restate the obvious: you are a propaganda gift for the thinking section of the CAGW crowd. These kind of battles are not won with excitement but with patience. Take the host of this site as an example and chill.

  504. Am I the only one to find the most interesting aspect of this fiasco is the way the British media has managed to downplay and ignore its most damaging effects?

    When you consider that the words “Rescue” and “Drama” and “Ship” have always been favorites of editors and headline writers, where have these words appeared in any headline or lead story this last week?

    We seem to have entered the strange world of reporting-without-reporting in which “damage limitation” is more important than grabbing attention; “Damage Limitation” referring to their Global Warming religion.

    Try, for instance, to find anywhere in the reportage the phrases “global warming” or “climate scientists” or any other related relevant information. From the way any mention of how the man-made global warming religion has been dealt yet another devastating blow, you might imagine the complete failure of the whole expedition was of no more importance than a sub-head “Man Burns Toast” or “Cat’s Paw prints Found on Desk.”

    The BBC managed to avoid nearly all mention of this event, relegating it to a few tiny paragraphs near the foot of their web pages, and just skimmed over it in a matter of seconds on their TV reports. Consequently, viewers and readers are still largely ignorant of the facts, and it never made the list of the top ten items “Shared” or even the top twenty items “Viewed.” You have to hand it to the BBC: they know how to bury inconvenient truths like no other.

    The Guardian tried ignoring the story, then publishing it with no mention of why the ship full of AGW worshipers, that they had sponsored, were there in the first place. Then they tried their usual trick of “spinning” the story so that global cooling was really a manifestation of global warming. That didn’t fly with their readers, so they responded with heavy censoring of the CiF comments, then disabling the readers’ comments completely, then allowing some comments again before finally following the BBC and relegating the whole thing to a minor incident of little or no importance at the bottom of their web page, and a tiny report on the inside page of their printed edition. The only mention today on the Guardian’s website is a link to a video of those trapped on the ship having a great New Year’s party.

    The rest of the British media followed in similar style, the massive implications of these events being completely ignored, this time.

    Maybe the party’s nearly over?

  505. Looks like the Party goers have upset the real Scientists after their resupply ship/Icebreaker was diverted from its real job to go to the aid of these idiots.
    Joe McConnell writes ..

    Greetings from Casey Station on the East Antarctic coast. I’ve just returned from the deep field site at Aurora Basin where the Australians are drilling a new 400-meter ice core which we will analyze in my lab in Reno.

    I’m writing with regards to the rescue effort for that tourist ship stuck in the ice near Commonwealth Bay and the enormous impact of the rescue effort on Antarctic science programs. The Australian ice breaker Aurora Australis was here at Casey in the process of unloading the coming year’s supplies for the station, as well as a number of researchers and their science gear for this summer’s activities, when the emergency response request was issued. The Australians shut down the unloading very quickly and left within a few hours after the request arrived but only about a third of the resupply was completed and a lot of that science gear was still on board. Before they left they at least were able to get the passengers including six Aurora Basin researchers off the ship. Otherwise I’d still be at Aurora Basin and would have had to stay to the end of January since my field replacement was in that group.

    The short- and long-term impacts on the Australian science program are pronounced as you can imagine and I understand it is the same for both the Chinese and French programs since their icebreakers were diverted, too. I’ll be sitting down to New Year’s Eve dinner in a few minutes with a number of Australian researchers including the director of the Australian Antarctic Division Tony Fleming – many of these guys can’t complete the research they’ve been planning for years because some or all of their science gear still is on the Aurora.

    ——————–

    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/rescue-effort-for-trapped-antarctic-voyage-disrupts-serious-science/?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    Oh dear.

  506. How about this account of a Mawson Centenary trip I came across when seeking more info on the B09B berg? Note the dateline.

    Is it deja vue all over again?

    Douglas Mawson centenary trip to Antarctica frozen as cold reality sets in
    MATTHEW DENHOLM, ANTARCTICA THE AUSTRALIAN DECEMBER 21, 2011 12:00AM

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hea….-1226227156367#

    Forewarned was not, unfortunately forearmed in the case of Prof Turney!

  507. Nik says:
    December 31, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Anybody want to crowd fund me for “Party at the Pole”?
    ________________________
    Are you a stripper?

  508. JB says:
    January 1, 2014 at 4:15 am
    “Here’s one for you Dirky …”

    You’re showing me a picture of a drilling rig being towed away from pack ice to prove what exactly? My point maybe?

  509. Alan Watt re “operating at marginal conditions”

    They certainly were, Nothing more marginal in the book than being stranded like that, unable to be rescued, apart from hitting an iceberg.The master won’t have another command, but at least he didn’t abandon his ship and crew and passengers like the supremely shameful master of the Costa Concordia.

  510. From 2011

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2011/12/21/iceberg-delays-antarctic-centenary

    “Three tourist ships that have been attempting to reach the cape as part of 100-year commemorations of the legendary voyage had to ditch their plans due to rare conditions caused by a mammoth iceberg, an official said.

    “There is unusual ice conditions that’s affecting all the tourist ships that are going down there because the tourist ships don’t have icebreaking capabilities, and they also don’t have choppers,” a spokeswoman from the Australian government’s Antarctic division told AFP.

    “So their ability to get anywhere near that Mawson’s huts area is basically stopped.” The B9B iceberg, which is about the size of Luxembourg, is grounded at the cape’s entrance and preventing what is known as fast ice — sea ice frozen along the coast — from moving as freely as normal, the spokeswoman said.

    “There’s also heavy pack ice around the area as well, so there’s kind of a combination of things really,” she added.”

  511. David Sims says:
    January 1, 2014 at 4:54 am

    From 2011

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2011/12/21/iceberg-delays-antarctic-centenary

    “Three tourist ships that have been attempting to reach the cape as part of 100-year commemorations of the legendary voyage had to ditch their plans due to rare conditions caused by a mammoth iceberg, an official said.

    ***********************************************
    So no mention of the climate scientists undertaking groundbreaking research. And these “rare conditions” have been known about for 3 years. It’s January 1 right? Not April 1?

  512. So with Prof Turney know in charge of a “tourist ship” according to MSM, shouldn’t he add “Failed Antarctic Tourist Guide — Dec 2013– present” on his CV?

  513. Aurora is making a go for the Chinese ice-breaker.

    But they have only moved about 20 metres in the last 1.5 hours and there is a long way to go. (Port camera shows the ship in the distance).

  514. @ cynical-scientist at Dec 31st, 9:46 pm:

    “The ship almost certainly WAS trapped by older multiyear ice which broke free somewhere else,”

    How do you know how much of it is multilayer and why does it really matter?

    “was blown by the wind to block them in, and then refroze in place around the ship.”

    Who is denying the mobility of sea ice? According to their theory, a sea ice dearth was the problem and was a major motive for their expedition. They are now paying the price for their dumbness and the ice’s lack of absence.

    “Turney is quite correct to offer this explanation and does not deserve ridicule for it. Those who seem to think several metres of sea ice suddenly just froze around the ship need to check the temperatures in the area.”

    No one that I have seen is saying that the ice was formed as they were sailing. I think we are mostly aware, that regardless of the ice’s age, it hadn’t melted with the summer (as they badly hoped it would). If they had digested the graph (linked below), like the rest of us, they would have accepted that there has been a positive anomaly for Antarctica (overall) for all of 2013. They would have known that expecting unusually low sea ice was futile. They would have noted that sea ice in the Antarctic has been increasing for 30 years. They might have instead gone to the Arctic with their expensive media stunt. They are rightfully being ridiculed for being remarkably (though not unexpectedly) stupid.