Now that the ‘Ship of Fools’ is safe in Antarctica, tough questions need to be asked

UPDATE: Perhaps the headline was premature, the latest SITREP from the rescue ship Aurora Australis indicates they are having some trouble getting into open water.

UPDATE2: It seems the cause of getting stuck was nothing more than dawdling while sightseeing.
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Since the Guardian reporters shown above probably won’t do anything but complain about beds and lack of milkshakes (that video has now been “disappeared”)  while writing glowing reports about the “adventure” of it all, it will be left to others to ask the tough questions. Now that they are on their way to Casey Station in Antarctica, Andrew Bolt starts off with these questions. I have a few of my own.

  1. Who paid for this expedition?
  2. How did the expedition team come to include Turney’s wife and two young children?
  3. How serious was this scientific endeavor?
  4. Was the choice of ship wise, given it is not an icebreaker? 
  5. How did the ship, in these days of satellite imaging, high quality weather forecasts and radar, come to get stuck in ice?
  6. How much did the rescue cost?
  7. Who pays for this rescue?
  8. Why have the ABC and Fairfax media, so keen at first to announce this expedition was to measure the extent and effects of global warming, since omitted that fact from their reports after the expedition became ice-bound?
  9. Why have all those reports – and the expedition leader himself – neglected to mention that sea ice around Antarctica has increased over the past three decades – and is greater than the ice cover Douglas Mawson found a century ago?

I have these questions:

  1. Who pays for the trip back to Australia once they get let off at Casey Station?
  2. How much damage has this fiasco done to real science expeditions in Antarctica, not only from a delayed logistics standpoint, but also from PR standpoint?
  3. Why did the stranded ship reach out for weather forecasts and data when they should have been equipped for this in the first place?
  4. Who will be responsible if the ship ends up being stuck in ice permanently or gets its hull crushed and sinks?
  5. What will be the duties and  fate of the crew left behind?
  6. Who funded the ARGO ATV’s after Turney’s Indiegogo crowdsourcing campaign failed miserably? Do those people get a refund?
  7. Why would Turney book this ship when it has only the barest of ratings for sea ice?

UL = Ice strengthening notation of the ship (independent navigation in the Arctic in summer and autumn in light ice conditions and in the non-arctic freezing seas all the year round)  More on ratings here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/icebreakers-class.htm

8. Was Turney mislead about the intensity of the ice by his own beliefs that Antarctic sea ice was melting?

9. Did the sightseeing excursion to Mawson’s Huts on December 19th and again on Dec 23rd (apparently to Mertz Glacier, though their blog and “tracker” are unclear on this point) cause delays that caused the ship to be trapped in rapidly changing weather which closed the sea ice around them?

10. Apparently the crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy spoke next to zero English, did this communications barrier contribute to the situation? Was Turney warned that the weather and wind were changing while the second Mawson’s Huts sightseeing tour was in progress, and if he was were those warnings understood/heeded?

11. Why did the ship have a mix of tourists and media when it was pitched as a “scientific expedition”?

5 Nov: ABC Lateline: $1.5 million Australian expedition to Antarctica Professor Chris Turney from the University of NSW is mounting the largest Australian science expeditions to the Antarctic with an 85-person team to try to answer questions about how climate change in the frozen continent might be already shifting weather patterns in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3898858.htm

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241 thoughts on “Now that the ‘Ship of Fools’ is safe in Antarctica, tough questions need to be asked

  1. The ship’s fools are safe for now, let’s not forget about the working stiffs and the vessel itself that are still in peril.

  2. I foresee lawyers crawling over this fiasco for years to come. It has just about everything.

    Buy popcorn futures.

  3. The headline is very misleading. It’s very important to remember the crew are still out there. I’m hoping for a quick thaw so they can get out soon.

    The activists and media will be dead keen to divert you from the fact both the ship and crew are still stuck. I bet the rescue attempts decline now the celebs are off,

  4. Why remove the passengers now? Why not wait a week to see if the expected winds will blow the whole mess out to sea and break up the ice?

  5. The real story for me is about the carefully scripted deceptive “reports” offered to us by the warmists fellow travelers, libmedia. Glo-Bull warming fanatics on a “propaganda expedition”get trapped by unexpectedly heavy antarctic polar ice – IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ANTARCTIC SUMMER NO LESS – And the heroic libmedia bravely and heroically dare to manicure away and flush down the memory hole all of the salient details like:

    1) No mention that this is an expedition whose main purpose was to “discover” proof of their fanatically held belief in glo-bull warming, but (ironically?) got caught (literally) by their false, illogical assumptions.

    2) That the expedition was poorly planned and even more poorly executed, so the warmist fanatic who attempted to do it “on the cheap” put the participants lives at risk.

    3) That the trip was intended in part to comemorate an expedition that occured 100 years ago with the full expectation that the polar ice would be greatly diminished from that earlier event and could be used as proof positive that AGW glo-bull warming is real! More irony, or just ignorant fanaticism being unmasked?

    Why bother to rewrite history when you can just invent the past you want as it is being made by manicuring, filtering and lying through your lib teeth? Thats our heroic libmedia!!!

  6. I feel very sorry for the ship’s Master who I’m certain is a competent mariner.
    Bet they’re all glad to be rid of the ‘scientists’, ‘journalists’, ‘tourists’ and especially the Green politician who is missing her chickens (chooks). Just as well the crew had limited English or some of the passengers might not have made it to safety.

  7. Good big joke is the C. Turney´s Twitt that says: “A huge thanks to the Chinese & @AusAntarctic for all their hard work” … Remains to be seen whether if this climate-alarmist will remain on the same line thanks at the next COP … :)

  8. I repeat this comment from Climate Etc
    There are 18 PhD students on this expedition. Six (1/3) work on the Antarctic. The others (2/3) work on the North Atlantic, Australia’s coastal waters, brain injury, Iceland, New Zealand’s North Island, urban climates, pedagogy, the Equatorial Undercurrent, pharmaceuticals, time series statistics, microbiology, and Siberia.

  9. My guess is that had this occurred on sovereign territory, there would be some form of legal enquiry, with powers of subpoena. As it is, it is doubtful that such an enquiry will take place. If the Chinese decide to try and recover some of the expenses they have incurred, and this goes to court (Russian and/or Australian) of some sort, we might find out something.

    All in all, it is probably in the interests of The Team in furtherance of The Cause to have this whole affair wrapped up as quickly and silently as possible. It remains to be seen whether they will succeed. They have done so in the past.

  10. The ‘milkshake global warming hiatus’ is the most critical crisis facing humanity.
    Oh no it isn’t!
    Oh yes it is!
    Who said that?
    Christmas Turkey! He’s behind you !

  11. Dr T G Watkins. The Master’s responsibility was to ensure that he was competent: obviously he is not , otherwise he would not have been caught in the ice. This is 2014 not 1914 and we have adequate knowledge of the conditions . The Master has absolute authority to over ride any decision by anyone else which threatens the ship.

  12. AnonyMoose says January 2, 2014 at 8:42 am

    Why remove the passengers now? Why not wait a week to see if the expected winds will blow the whole mess out to sea and break up the ice?

    They might have eaten each other? (given an additional week)

    .
    .
    Seriously, it was probably important to get them off the ship before a serious change of heart re: the “global warming” et al meme faded, transfigured instead into a loathing of cold and ice …

    .

  13. Since some previously posted stuff has already been disappeared, it is worth archiving what remains for future reference. Apparently a lot of that is on or was via Twitter. Most significant so far is some of the posted comments over at P. Gosseleins No Tricks Zone. Apparently the captain tried to get everybody back on board when the weather was turning, but they didn’t. Dawdle, disobey, not understand… Anynway, tardy per expeditions own tweets. Captain waited rather than abandon the dawdlers, and the fiasco ensued.

  14. 10. Apparently the crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy spoke next to zero English, did this communications barrier contribute to the situation? Was Turney warned that the weather and wind was changing while the second Mawson’s Huts sightseeing tour was in progress, and if he was were those warnings understood/heeded?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    ..In most of Russian schools the subject “foreign language” appears in the time-table beginning from the 5th class, and sometimes from the 2nd. Some schools even offer two or more foreign languages. In this case, children usually take English language in the 2nd class, and then in the 5th class they can start with German or French…

    http://www.lexiophiles.com/english/languages-learned-at-school-in-russia

    …Young people learn languages (mainly English) very actively, however, you may find it difficult to communicate with the older generation if you do not speak Russian….

    http://justrussia.ru/page.php?64

    I think there were probably at least a few among the crew who spoke a little English or French. Even if they did not speak English, a hand written message, translated from a book (or google translate) or even gestures would get the point across. I mean really, tug on a coat sleeve, point to the sky, point to the ice, point to a wrist watch/time piece and act frantic. How hard can that be?

    However from my own experience it take two to communicate when there is a language obstacle to over come and arrogance was a more likely issue not language.

  15. One more set of questions.

    12A) What was the carbon cost of the rescue in terms of the ice breakers, helicopters, and transport barges? And if those on board truly believe that carbon increases climate change, should they not have waited out the ice (since it is incontrovertible that carbon is melting the sea ice)?

  16. What was the carbon footprint of the trip (including repatriation)?

    What was the carbon foot print of the rescue mission (including the failed attempts)?

    There are potentially insurance issues if a vessel proceeds to ice bound waters and is not suitably ice strengthened/classed for such a voyage.

    Likewise, salvage may become an issue if the vessel needs to be rescued because it is not ice strengthened and is at peril as a consequence of that.

  17. The irony is that the fools who claim human CO2 is causing warming and melting Antarctic ice were rescued by a helicopter from a Chinese ice breaker. China is the largest producer of CO2 and building coal plants rapidly to produce more.

  18. John Boles says: @ January 2, 2014 at 8:43 am

    That ship, the AKADEMIK SHOLKOWSKIY seems rather too small to be a decent ice breaker.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That is just the point. IT IS NOT. Prof Chris(tmas) Turkey went for the cheapest based on his ASSumption the ice was melting away.

  19. Your question 10 regarding language:
    The lingua franca of the sea is English, the Master and the other officers will speak reasonable English but there is no requirement for the ratings to do so. Any communication between the “scientists” and the crew would be, or should be, with/through the officers.
    If as has been reported elsewhere the vessel was trapped because some scientists were on the ice “experimenting” and did not return to the ship timeously when told to do so, then they bear a heavy responsibility. The Master would have been castigated if he had left them on the ice so that he could save his ship, just as he is being castigated for being caught by the ice.
    The prime “no-win” situation.

  20. Another question for the western MSM, if there was and is no danger to ship and crew,
    as they now report.
    Why were their comrades and colleges evacuated?
    An emergency was called, ships were diverted from their duties to answer a MAYDAY.
    Of course I could just wait for Pravda to cover this story, I actually expect a more honest and in depth report from them (Pravda), than I expect form the sponsoring media agencies or my national media org (CBC).
    My prediction, this embarrassing fiasco will be covered as accurately as the CRU emails and the subsequent inquiries.
    Another blinder well played, old chap.

  21. Charlie says:
    January 2, 2014 at 8:57 am

    “The Master’s responsibility was to ensure that he was competent: obviously he is not , otherwise he would not have been caught in the ice. This is 2014 not 1914 and we have adequate knowledge of the conditions . The Master has absolute authority to over ride any decision by anyone else which threatens the ship.”

    I would have thought then that the sensible Master’s decision would have been to leave the poor fool tourist scientists out on the ice counting penguins when the changing weather conditions merited putting out to sea immediately if I follow your logic to its obvious conclusions.

    That would probably have saved the ship from being ‘locked in’. Might have made a slight problem for the tourist scientists though. Mind you, if they were even half way as competent as the real scientist they were attempting to follow, then they would have been fine and able to cope on their own by making their way ashore to safety!

    Not that I wish anyone harm (and sincerely hope that the crew do make it home safe and sound) but some of the messages in support of Turney et al. do leave one somewhat annoyed. Especially if attempting to pass the blame on to the Captain for this whole sorry episode!

    “Tourist Scientists”. A new phrase for some of those in climate science.

  22. Dr T G Watkins says: @ January 2, 2014 at 8:45 am

    I feel very sorry for the ship’s Master who I’m certain is a competent mariner….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Ditto. He will never sail again as a ship master because the blame will land squarely on his shoulders.

    I suggest we keep and eye on the Russian/Chinese media for updates on what is happening to the ship master and his crew. With luck there is enough interest that the story will not be stomped on.

  23. OK, the BBC is straight in there with an outrageous lie:

    Andrew Luck Baker who, in his last report, was pretending not to be on the ship (referring to ‘a passenger describes…) now has this to say:

    “One of the aims was to track how quickly the Antarctic’s sea ice was disappearing.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25573096

  24. Oldseadog says: @ January 2, 2014 at 9:11 am
    …. The Master would have been castigated if he had left them on the ice so that he could save his ship, just as he is being castigated for being caught by the ice.
    The prime “no-win” situation.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    His only option would be to have the crew bodily carry the group on board and as there was a 2 to one ratio in favor of the idiots, that would not work either.

    The Master was truly screwed with ZERO options.

  25. Every year ships get stuck/delayed in ice for weeks on end. There is nothing particularly unusual about that plain fact. I agree with AnonyMoose says: January 2, 2014 at 8:42 am. You would ordinarily expect those on board to tough it out, just as the crew are doing. it does not appear that conditions are such that we are at an abandon ship scenario.

    What is unusual is the reason behind the trip, the comparison with the same/similar voyage a 100 years earlier (which earlier voyage was not performed by an ice breaker), and the misconception of the ice conditions in Antartica and an under-estimation of the dangers posed.

    Of course, it is not unexpected that MSM when covering this story are not informing their readers/viewers that Antarctic ice is at a 30 year high. Nor are they explaining that much more ice was encountered on this voyage than was encountered a century earlier with the implication that ice extent in this part of the Antarctic is greater than it was some 100 years ago notwithstanding anthropogenic emissions these past 100 years. That is the story that should be told, but obviously will not be tolds

  26. Oatley says:
    January 2, 2014 at 8:58 am
    “Were the journalists and tourists considered to part of the “…85 member team”?”

    This is a fascinating question, and a very important one! If this were truly a scientific expedition, then why were journalists involved at all? Apparently there was a high proportion of journalists among the passengers of that ship. Is it in print anywhere that they were part of the expedition or part of the team? Is this being scrubbed as we speak? To me this indicates propaganda, rather than science, was one of the main goals of the expedition.

    And another question: what was a politician doing on that ship? Same question applies to her. Was she part of the team? Did she have any role in procuring public funding for the expedition?

    Anthony, these should be among your top questions.

  27. I’d have like to be a fly on the wall when the captain was having a discussion with his tourists about getting back on the boat and getting the hell out of there. Hopefully he has logged it and can spread some blame.
    This is what I hear in my imagination:

    Captain: Bring your equipment aboard the conditions are turning against us and we need to move

    Expedition leader: I’m sure we will be fine we can pack up at a leisurely pace. This passage was free 100 years ago. The air and ocean have warmed appreciably since then.

    Captain: My satellite imagery says different. Get as much of your gear aboard as you can. We are leaving.

    Expedition leader: Chill out dude. We are not leaving until all the gear is aboard

    Captain: [thinks] I should manhandle them aboard and abandon the gear but the customer is always right. I can hardly cast off without them.

    Captain: [says] As fast as you can then

  28. Oldseadog says:
    January 2, 2014 at 9:11 am

    If as has been reported elsewhere the vessel was trapped because some scientists were on the ice “experimenting” and did not return to the ship timeously when told to do so, then they bear a heavy responsibility.
    ———————————————————————

    If, as I’ve read elsewhere, the ship’s owner bears the costs of rescue then the expedition “leader” might have a Russian oligarch very pissed off with him. Still, not to worry, I understand they are very understanding.

  29. Dr T G Watkins says:
    January 2, 2014 at 8:45 am
    I feel very sorry for the ship’s Master who I’m certain is a competent mariner.

    Not sure about that. Wouldn’t a captain worth his salt refused to take directions that put passengers, crew, and ship at risk? He, too, will have some ‘splainin’ to do once he (hopefully) gets home.

  30. Go for it Anthony

    Since this was apparently a “publicly funded” fraud expedition – those FoIs should be a-flying down under. Letters to politicians etcetera… I suspect Dr. Flannery’s wondering if fallout is heading his direction….

    UK folk can have a pop at The University of Exeter (they’ll be getting one from me) – one has to wonder if usual suspects The Guardian and BBC had any direct input into the venture.

    Copy n paste / save pages people! – they’ve already disappeared the milkshake ….

  31. I would not wish to criticise the Master at this stage. We do not know the full facts.

    As others have pointed out, the Master is responsible not simply for the safety of his ship, but also for his crew and pasengers. Quite obviously, he could not have sailed off abandoning the passengerss/scientists on the ice. Especially since it is far from apparent that the ship is in real peril. It is stuck in ice, for sure. It is being delayed, but as of yet, whilst ice will always pose some dangers, I have seen no reports that the hull is about to be crushed and breached. Presently, it appears to be an inconvenience, and weather conditions may alter and the ice may be swept away thereby naturally freeingb the vessel. The Master has to balance all issues including how much danger would have been posed to those left behind on the ice had the vessel and crew (and all those who wanted to sail) had sailed off, against the vessel being stuck in ice but with all crew and passengers on board and within the sanctuary that the vessel provides. I very much doubt that the Master will be criticised for that decision.

    The real issue for him is how much heed was had to advance weather forecasts and should he have aborted the voyage sooner. .

  32. Sung badly to “Sloop John B” by The Beach Boys

    We came on the ship Shokalskiy
    My fellow greenies and me
    Around the polar ice floes we did roam
    Drinking all night
    Got into a bight
    The ship nearly broke up
    I want to go home

    So spin up the Shokalskiy fail
    See how ugly it gets
    Call it a big success and even more
    But let me go home, just let me go home
    I wanna go home, wah wah
    We nearly broke up
    I wanna go home!

    The first day we got stuck
    We broke out our song book
    We wrote a bad tune and sang it anyway
    Throw us a bone
    Why can’t we go home, wah wah
    We nearly broke up, I wanna go home

    The modeled data didn’t fit
    And reality is the pits
    The multi year ice left us feeling forlorn
    Let me go home
    Damn ice won’t let me go home
    This is the worst trip I’ve ever been on

  33. All these questions presuppose that facts and reality are what guide the members of the expedition.

  34. The ship will almost certainly have been chartered. The issue of who bears the costs and expense (including the delay to the ship) will primarily be governed by the terms and provisions of the charter (unless the ship owner donated the use of his vessel for free to what he considered to be a worthy cause, which I rather doubt is the background fact)..

    In the first instance, it would be usual for the shipowner to bear the expense of delay to his ship and the freeing/rescue thereof. However, at the end of the day, the shipowner will have insurance. The charterer, if prudent, will have charterer’s liability insurance and it will be left to 2 insurance companies to argue the toss as to which party bears ultiate responsibility for the costs and expense. The helicopter rescue may be on its own special terms and may be provided ex gratia by the state/government connected with a relevant party and there may be no attempt to pass that cost onto anyone, ie the tax payer of some country may be paying for that jolly.

    There may well be issues as to seaworthiness. A ship that is not properly ice classed to perform the voyage in question may be deemed unseaworthy. Likewise a ship that does not possess sufficiently accurate and up to date weather, ice and satellite data equipment etc. There is no point in speculating on any of this since we do not have the background facts.

  35. In the words of Indigo Montoya: “science….you keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means…”.

  36. Further to my suggestion (on a previous thread) to award a prize for the least likely/ most original CAGW-compliant explanation of these events. Perhaps we could help – how about a thread composed entirely of helpful efforts of our own. It would save the MSM/ activist community some time, they could just refer to it and choose the one that most appealed.

    Paradoxical ice can’t be too hard to deal with, surely? I challenge those more knowledgeable than me, to come up with ten truly distinct get-out-of-jail cards, put them into the public domain, and demand that the CAGW lot try to demolish them (in favour of their own ideas, of course)..

    Stuart B

  37. Fairness would have required that the crew be rescued, and the tourists and politicians be left behind

  38. A Ship of Fools or a Ship of Wimps, or both?
    If the crew can remain on board and there was no shortage of provisions why did these fools – who have the gall to invoke the Spirit of Mawson – have to be rescued? From What?

  39. The “cruise” promotional material lists 26 berths for rent at about 17,000 $AUS each.

    The rescue reports list 52 passengers – so it would appear everyone was double-bunking. Small wonder about the party-time atmosphere, especially after the bar opened daily at 6

    Add 22 crew still aboard, and that adds to 74 total

    Prior reports list 84 on-board. Who were the other 10?

    In addition to all other calamities, was this ship seriously overloaded? How many Personal Floatation Devices were on hand?

    Just wonderin’

  40. AnonyMoose says January 2, 2014 at 8:42 am

    Why remove the passengers now? Why not wait a week to see if the expected winds will blow the whole mess out to sea and break up the ice?

    On http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/26865 it says (Google translate)
    DECEMBER 26, 2013
    Crew stuck in Antarctic ice “Academica Shokalski” closed up the crack on the casing of the vessel and preparing for worsening weather.

    I would say it was to risky to keep the passengers on board. The weather could change very quickly and the situation could get even worse.

  41. Did none of the passengers speak Russian? Surely it would make sense to have had someone capable of acting as interpreter, at least.

  42. Was that Chinese icebreaker their because it was supporting research, conducting oil/gas exploration, or clearing the way for Chinese factory ships gill netting the antarctic waters for fish?

  43. I’m more care of the crew that decided to stay to clean up, and of their worried families . I pray for their safety.

    Please, I suggest you keep this story going so we can see the total aftermath these environmentals brought upon so many souls, if not the environment at the bottom of our globe for their little cute stunt.

  44. How much of an involvement did the university of NSW HAVE IN this fiasco, planning, financial, therefore liability?

  45. If the ship is damaged and breaks up due to the ice and there is a leak of fuel oil and other shipboard materials, will this team take responsibilty for the ensuing pollution in what are pristine waters?

  46. Once more, though, the greenies have covered all bases – they went South to highlight the loss of sea ice; when they find that there is actually a lot more sea ice, they then moan on about how the extensive sea ice is starving penguins, and blocking out the Sunlight, which is killing off forests of algae. The truly sad thing is that the MSM will push out every lie that they spout, without a single attempt at verification.

  47. In order to assess some of the (excellent) questions posed here it is necessary to better understand what passes for normal in the Antarctic. The link below is in reference to the Sparta, a Russian fishing boat that struck underwater ice and was stuck for 10 days in 2011 until the crew could make repairs and be escorted out of the ice by an ice-breaker. Some similarities here.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079374/Russian-fishing-ship-trapped-Antarctic-begins-2-200-mile-trip-port-Korean-ice-breaker.html

    I certainly wouldn’t bring my wife and 2 kids into such a potentially dangerous area. Maybe my mother-in-law… This strongly suggests they saw the adventure but did not understand the potential danger.

    As another aside I worked in a remote area of Northern Canada where we were to be issued insulated flotation suits – the ones that keep you alive in the event you fall through the ice (both flotation and insulation are important). These one-piece devices are very expensive. They also cause you to sweat profusely and end up stinking like your personal body smell. This is why they were issued to individuals – no one wanted to put on a used floater suit worn previously by others. That could be worse than drowning. My point here is that the crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy likely have these suits issued to them while the “guests” are more likely to have cheaper life jackets (to make them feel safe but almost totally useless in Antarctic waters). Otherwise who paid for 54 floater suits that typically cost north of $1,500 each that were never worn?

  48. @Jean Parisot. The Chinese ice-breaker is there to bring supplies to the Chinese Antarctic exploration program. There also seem to be fishing vessels in the area that are ice strengthened but not ice-breaker capable.

  49. I have the answer to all of these questions.

    “I get the thrust of your ‘questions’ and have a question of my own: Why do you hate science and oppose important research into the climactic byproducts of man’s arrogance that what will surely lead to planetary extinctions?”

    Same answer of last 17 years (and counting).

  50. Let’s face it, it was a tourist cruise. They often have celebrities on board to keep the customers happy. The selling point was that those celebs would be real scientists, doing real science and the passengers would get to help out if they wanted to. In addition they could feel like they were following in the footsteps of a real explorer. They got to count birds, watch ice cores and seal cores being drilled and ‘throw’ a few temperature buoys over the side. There were lectures. The helicopter ride was probably an unexpected bonus.

    Problems with Antarctic cruises don’t seem that rare and was probably more noteworthy because of the journalists on board and the irony of the situation. A large part of the cost is probably insurance.

    [The mods point out that no actual seals were cored in recording this thread response. The seals may have been bored, but they were not drilled, schooled, nor marched. Mod]

  51. I’m hoping Nick Stokes will explain to us simple minded folks that the current ice isn’t the same as ice was 35 years ago when there was less ice, and that he’s not convinced it was even ice that trapped the ship.

  52. what do you expect from a ship of fools …but foolishness!!

    the below are from

    http://anonymousconservativ.ipage.com/blog/

    “As such, it indicates a Liberal who is being made uncomfortable by holding the Liberal position on an issue, in the face of the information you are focusing them on. Much of Liberalism only sustains itself on a deep denial of inevitable truths, as a way of shielding their amygdalae from the stress of cognitive dissonance.”

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/serial-sex-offender-richard-hirschfield-and-the-defective-amygdala/

    “It amuses me that when a researcher schooled in the field sees a man with a smaller amygdala, his reflexive response is to use that to explain any deviant, selfish, cruel, narcissistic behavior. Of course, that specific trait is also a hallmark of the Leftist brain, so what does that say?”

    these are liberals and they have damage mental faculties. Most of us are aware of the answer to those questions Anthony. They (…the pretend scientists) are not nice …you are. THAT gives them a terrible advantage.

  53. Next time they will charter a plane to do a fly over and write a lot of content about seeing some open water and insert comments from the biased tourist observers in tow to give a real time first person feel. That is the Al Gore way but without the VIP carbon industrialist on board to pay the way with indulgences.

  54. “Now that the ‘Ship of Fools’ is safe in Antarctica, trough questions need to be asked”

    Fixed that for you.

  55. “Of course, it is not unexpected that MSM when covering this story are not informing their readers/viewers that Antarctic ice is at a 30 year high.”

    Any attempt to post a comment with a link to the official NSIDC data on Antarctic ice entent gets deleted.

    Apparently scientific facts are against the Guardian’s “community standards”.

  56. Let’s hope James Cameron learns a lesson from this fiasco before he puts A-list actors and actresses in harm’s way during his quest to the Artic to convince us climate change is our fault.

  57. The Akademik Shokalsky was built in 1982 in Finland for polar and oceanographic research and has UL ice class. The vessel dimensions allows it to sail where larger ships couldn’t not pass. The vessel takes 46 passengers for the Arctic’s campaigns and the 48 passengers on cruises to Antarctica. The ship has 26 cabins with sea views. It has passed several upgrades and alterations.
    (wiki in russian)

  58. Tim Ball says:
    January 2, 2014 at 9:08 am

    The irony is that the fools who claim human CO2 is causing warming and melting Antarctic ice were rescued by a helicopter from a Chinese ice breaker. China is the largest producer of CO2 and building coal plants rapidly to produce more.
    ————–
    Absolutely, and the Ship was Russian built as was the helicopter and the Russians are drilling for oil where? The Arctic !! in exactly the same spot as where the Greenpeace fools were detained. It could not be more ironic.

  59. Had the dorkish looking Prof Chris(mas) Turkey any competence at all in organising such an expedition?

    I guess you need a fair amount bureaucratic oganisational ability to run a university faculty, but he does not look like someone with much extreme sports or outdoor experience.

    For a start he seems to have got the map upside down with respect to what he believed was happening to sea ice.

  60. For a moving tale of a real expedition in this area I highly recommend:

    South: The Story Of Shackelton’s 1914-1917 Expedition

    By Sir Earnest Henry Shackelton

    You can get it free for your Kindle.

  61. I can comment on the suitability – or otherwise – of the Shokalsky, as I have travelled to the Antarctic on a sister ship, the Professor Khromov, which is chartered by Heritage Expeditions of Christchurch, NZ, on an annual basis for exploration voyages, including at least two Ross Sea voyages each year.

    The Shokalsky was previously chartered by Heritage, before they settled on the Khromov, and is entirely suitable for Antarctic voyages – provided it is not required to be used as a proper icebreaker: it is ice-strengthened only. On our Khromov voyage we were able to get right through the McMurdo ice channel, by breaking through a thin barrier of old sea ice which had blocked the channel after the departure of the US-chartered Swedish icebreaker which had formed, and kept open, the channel for the large cargo and tanker vessels which resupply the US McMurdo Station and NZ’s Scott Base. We then returned through the ice channel. and came back in again – the master said our three passes through the ice channel would be sufficient to keep it open for 24 hours, and his judgement was spot on – the channel was beginning to refreeze as we sailed out after visiting Scott Base, McMurdo Station, and Scott’s Discovery Hut at Hut Point.

    The Russian master of the Khromov was a vastly experienced ice master, and I have no doubt that the master of the Shokalsky would be equally experienced (the Shokalsky has been used regularly for tourist voyages to the Antarctic Peninsula in recent years). I think the comments above by Clovis Marcus and Richard Verney would be right on the button about the problem faced by the Shokalsky’s master, in the light of the expedition’s determination to reach the Mawson Huts with a small and select group (notably including the expedition leader).

  62. Some mentioned earlier about Aus Freedom of information. If this jaunt was paid for by the tax payer, then surely the charter agreement and all other documents about this jaunt will be available and could be in public domain before the ‘fools’ even reach land. Any people from Aus here that can do that?

  63. Well, they better hope it comes ‘free’ from the ice before March 21, otherwise it will be mor elikely to become yet another ‘ghost’ ship trapped (or crushed) by ice as the Antarctic enters fall/winter.

  64. Who would have though that, back in the 1990s, pop-synth band Erasure would get it so right with their hit ‘Ship of Fools’? I love the line: “he really didn’t know that one and one are two, and two and two are four.” What a perfect summary of post-modern science.

  65. Chris Turney @ProfChrisTurney
    We’ve made it to the Aurora australis safe & sound. A huge thanks to the Chinese & @AusAntarctic for all their hard work! #spiritofmawson

    Alok Jha @alokjha
    To the crew of Aurora Australis + Xue Long – heartfelt thanks from all on the Shokalskiy. We know how far out of your way you all went (1/2)

    Not a word of thanks or recognition to the poor bastards who have to stay stuck aboard a icebound ship, living with the increasing risk these halfwits are glad to be running away from.

    Do they blame the russian crew for getting them stuck or are they just so full of self-pity that they forget those who do not get airlifted to safey and have to deal with a problem which is far from over.

  66. Charlie Johnson (@SemperBanU) says:
    January 2, 2014 at 10:53 am

    @Man Bearpig –

    The skillz (and time) aren’t there at the moment, but how is this?

    Thank you Charlie, I should buy Photoshop and learn how to do that :) but then there would be another program stuck on this computer that I would not know how to work.

  67. The biggest question for me is how immoral do these propagandists have to be to endanger the ship and crew like they did, then abandon them to their fate?

  68. “Clovis Marcus says:

    The headline is very misleading. It’s very important to remember the crew are still out there. I’m hoping for a quick thaw so they can get out soon.

    The activists and media will be dead keen to divert you from the fact both the ship and crew are still stuck. I bet the rescue attempts decline now the celebs are off.”

    Yes, absolutely. We will remember here that there are still 22 crew aboard the stricken vessel. If they can’t be freed any time soon there is a real danger that the hull could be crushed – there are more than enough historical precedents for that kind of mishap. Our thought should now be with the crew and I’m sure I speak for all when I wish them well and hope for a safe resolution.

    No surprise at all to see the ‘scientists’ scarper back to safety at the first opportunity – thank god for those nasty, petrol-fuelled helos, eh? Shambolic and shameful.

    Anthony I trust you and your colleagues will keep a ‘weather’ eye on the situation and doubtless continue to offer any data assistance you can to the remaining crew? I fear they may need all the help they can get.

  69. I can anwer number seven.

    The ice is melting in Antarctica, so you don’t need an ice rated ship.

  70. SAB says:
    January 2, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Further to my suggestion (on a previous thread) to award a prize for the least likely/ most original CAGW-compliant explanation of these events. Perhaps we could help – how about a thread composed entirely of helpful efforts of our own. It would save the MSM/ activist community some time, they could just refer to it and choose the one that most appealed.

    Paradoxical ice can’t be too hard to deal with, surely? I challenge those more knowledgeable than me, to come up with ten truly distinct get-out-of-jail cards, put them into the public domain, and demand that the CAGW lot try to demolish them (in favour of their own ideas, of course)..

    Stuart B
    __________________________________
    Howdy Stuart,
    There are some number of “Climate Firemen” who have been dispatched around the web to counter the ridicule and hard data contrariness that’s surrounded this event.

    1) Many claims have been made around the web which seem based on an old study and some have even linked directly to an old post over at SKS, citing as proof proof that warming seas cause more ice. SKS based their article on a model- coupled- to- model study (Zhang, 2007) which makes that claim. Here’s the SKS link:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Why-is-Antarctic-sea-ice-increasing.html

    Here’s (Zhang, 2007): http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/Pubs/Zhang_Antarctic_20-11-2515.pdf

    2) Right here on WUWT, a new troll (Glenn) popped up on an earlier thread and gave the following excuse:
    It is conceivable that melt coming in from different points along the Antarctic coast is getting carried around and freezing only in certain localized areas where the conditions are ideal, and not freezing elsewhere. I don’t know if this is happening but it is not as ridiculous a hypothesis as you are assuming.” http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/30/the-antarctic-research-fiasco-would-you-could-you-in-a-boat/#comment-1520787

  71. From NewsBusters:
    Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission
    By Mike Ciandella | January 2, 2014 | 12:43

    A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change.

    The Russian ship, Akademic Shokalskiy, was stranded in the ice while on a climate change research expedition, yet nearly 98 percent of network news reports about the stranded researchers failed to mention their mission at all. Forty out of 41 stories (97.5 percent) on the network morning and evening news shows since Dec. 25 failed to mention climate change had anything to do with the expedition.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi#ixzz2pGsJ5Vr1

  72. Hi Anthony
    I’d add back in the possible conflict of interest of Carbonscape, Crowdsourced by several commenters in the initial thread.

    Justa Joe says:

    December 31, 2013 at 8:22 am
    “This guy has some disturbing conflicts of interest that may have led him to inadvertently cause this massive crisis. It seems fairly obvious that this Antarctic PR tour was planned to promote his side venture in Carbonscape. It’s in Turkey’s best interest to call everything “climate change.” This guy needs to be called on the carpet by authorities in Australia.

    Bishophill comments

    @Paul Matthews – Dec 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    ” ……expedition leader Turney …has set up a carbon capture company”

    Interestingly, JoNova commenter redress December 31, 2013 at 8:51 am · discovered Prof Turney decided to ‘hide/disguise’ his direct involvement by having family, rather than himself, as named shareholders:-

    The Carbonscape Holdings share registry. There is a total of 29,553,564 shares on record for this company.

    Catherine Ann TURNEY, Ian Stewart TURNEY, LATIMER TRUSTEES 2006 LIMITED 4,730,880 shares ~ 16.01%
    Christian Stewart Macgregor TURNEY 382,400 shares ~ 1.29%
    James TURNEY 290,581 shares ~ 0.98%

    Tim FLANNERY 159,733 shares ~ 0.54%

    Directors/ Officers

    Nicholas Harold GERRITSEN, director, 10 Dec 2006-
    Timothy John LANGLEY, director, 22 Jul 2007-
    inactive Benjamin Pak-ping CHEN, director, 28 Nov 2011-
    inactive Michael Robert ASHBURN, director, 10 May 2012-
    inactive Raf MANJI, director, 28 Oct 2012-
    Christian Stewart Macgregor TURNEY, director, 28 Oct 2012-

    Company Type: NZ Limited Company
    Jurisdiction: New Zealand

    In USA SEC would probably take a look but this is NZ.
    Eric

  73. Who paid for this expedition? *Taxs pairs do
    1. How did the expedition team come to include Turney’s wife and two young children?
    *Turner did, the idiote would like to show there is no danger.
    2. How serious was this scientific endeavor?
    *Serious, the rented a ship to look how littel ice there is. They could easeyer look at some sat photo.
    3. Was the choice of ship wise, given it is not an icebreaker? 
    *There is no need for an ice breaker becaus there is no ice
    4. How did the ship, in these days of satellite imaging, high quality weather forecasts and radar, come to get stuck in ice?
    *Like 3 there is no ice and also there where climate scientist. They do know nothing
    5. How much did the rescue cost?
    *To much, but why bother you cone pay cheap or not.
    6. Who pays for this rescue?
    *Try the tax payer
    7. Why have the ABC and Fairfax media, so keen at first to announce this expedition was to measure the extent and effects of global warming, since omitted that fact from their reports after the expedition became ice-bound?
    *It was to show how little ice there was because of global warming. Theywhere wrong but to stupid to ed mid they are wrong.
    8. Why have all those reports – and the expedition leader himself – neglected to mention that sea ice around Antarctica has increased over the past three decades – and is greater than the ice cover Douglas Mawson found a century ago?
    *He is a climate scientist showing and shouting the earth is warming. He is to stupid to look at the data, to stupid to ed mid he is wrong but whats more. He is to stupid to see when the game is over. He and others still believe in global warming.
    I have these questions:
    1. Who pays for the trip back to Australia once they get let off at Casey Station?
    *The tax payer.
    2. How much damage has this fiasco done to real science expeditions in Antarctica, not only from a delayed logistics standpoint, but also from PR standpoint?
    *Non what so ever its due to climate change, the ice extent comes from global warming. And they keep believing that.
    3. Why did the stranded ship reach out for weather forecasts and data when they should have been equipped for this in the first place?
    *They are to stupid to work the equipment and they don’t believe the results because of there global warming circle.
    4. Who will be responsible if the ship ends up being stuck in ice permanently or gets its hull crushed and sinks?
    *The children for fooling whit the gps.
    5. What will be the duties and  fate of the crew left behind?
    *Do nothing, pray every thing will be alright and shout to the media its all dandy.
    6. Who funded the ARGO ATV’s after Turney’s Indiegogo crowdsourcing campaign failed miserably? Do those people get a refund?
    *The tax payers and no tax payers don’t get refunds.
    7. Why would Turney book this ship when it has only the barest of ratings for sea ice?
    Akademik Shokalskiy: UL
    Xue Long: B1
    Aurora Australis: A1
    UL = Ice strengthening notation of the ship (independent navigation in the Arctic in summer and autumn in light ice conditions and in the non-arctic freezing seas all the year round)  More on ratings here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/icebreakers-class.htm
    *He in its stupid way believe still there is no ice.
    8. Was Turney mislead about the intensity of the ice by his own beliefs that Antarctic sea ice was melting?
    *Yes he is and yes he will be still after this.
    9. Did the sightseeing excursion to Mawson’s Huts on December 19th and again on Dec 23rd (apparently to Mertz Glacier, though their blog and “tracker” are unclear on this point) cause delays that caused the ship to be trapped in rapidly changing weather which closed the sea ice around them?
    *Yes because the weather could not change so hard because it would be warming.
    10. Apparently the crew of the Akademik Shokalskiy spoke next to zero English, did this communications barrier contribute to the situation? Was Turney warned that the weather and wind was changing while the second Mawson’s Huts sightseeing tour was in progress, and if he was were those warnings understood/heeded?
    *Even if the English was good Turner wouldn’t believe it any way.
    11. Why did the ship have a mix of tourists and media when it was pitched as a “scientific expedition”?
    *Nothing nicer PR wise then a ship full believers to show how you proof global warming is there and the ice is serious melting.

  74. I guess these people are not going to get the warmest of welcomes at Casey Base when they arrive since their idiocy interrupted the re-supply of the base.
    Incidentally, how about Turney’s blooper in his re-hashed advertisement for punters – promising “hours of complete darkness” at a time when the sun never sets…

  75. Crosspatch,
    See my post above at 09.11

    Neil from NZ,
    At last someone with experience of these waters and knowledge of the vessel. Thanks.

  76. re: Neil from NZ says January 2, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Thank you for posting your account of first-person experience on the same type ship, Neil.

    .

  77. 5. Who applied/approved a research grant for an expedition to explore global warming and the effect of receding sea ice in a region cooling for 30 years and with increasing sea ice ?

  78. TinyCO2 says at January 2, 2014 at 10:31 am… I like that. Perhaps it was just a tourist trip with “scientists” performing the role of lounge singers and salsa dancers.

    Except that Turney appeared on BBC Radio 4 before he went adventuring in order to extol the virtues of Mawson (which are real) and then to proclaim that this venture would honour him.

    It didn’t, by the way.
    And I think it was meant to honour Turney.

  79. My turn for a question:
    1. did they see Aurora (apart from the icebreaker) as anounced in the itinerary
    (my old man almost peed himself laughing at the prospect of seeing any)

    Bonus question:
    2. why am I not surprised at vanishing internet contents
    (I already urged to keep storing bits and pieces for safekeeping, as those people are definitely going to reverse a story and continue being mainstream consensus lot)

  80. OLD DATA says
    January 2, 2014 at 10:01 am
    —-
    Great article.
    What a world it is when Pravda, has such articles of integrity and the BBC is the purveyor of lies and propaganda.

  81. They didn’t need to consult weather or ice forecasts, because there’s an overwhelming scientific consensus that Antarctic waters are more ice-free than ever.

  82. Originally the word pilgrimage meant the journey to a site of religious significance. To Canterbury to see the remains of a Saint, or Lourdes to the site of a visitation of the Virgin. To this day the greatest pilgrimage in the world is undoubtedly to the Islamic holy place of Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

    Middle class Warmists, and the ‘priests’ of their religion; tax payer funded researchers and journalists naturally desire to travel to places where their Faith will be confirmed and renewed.
    Antarctica is such a place.
    Global Warming is a religion…we shouldn’t be surprised when its adherents act like the followers of any other religion.

  83. Question 15
    If the australian Carbon tax delayed global warming in 2100 by 22 seconds(insert proper number of seconds here)
    How many seconds did this trip plus rescue bring it forward ?
    And how many more of these carbon disasters can the planet cope with ?

  84. “””””…..Steve from Rockwood says:

    January 2, 2014 at 10:25 am

    I certainly wouldn’t bring my wife and 2 kids into such a potentially dangerous area. Maybe my mother-in-law… This strongly suggests they saw the adventure but did not understand the potential danger……””””””

    Seems reminiscent of “Jurassic Park” where the idio-maniac promoter, lets his equally stupid grandchildren go out hunting for a T-Rex , with a great big flashlight to get its attention. Then when it finally pushes them over a cliff to safety in a tree, they elect to climb down the tree directly underneath the car, so it can land on them, when it falls out of the tree.

    I can attest to the fact that pedestrians really do run down the road directly in front of pursuing cars, just like they show in all the, shot in San Francisco movies. Well some of them prefer getting hit by the trunk of the car, so they cross the parking lot directly behind the car that is backing out, so the driver won’t know what that thunk! was.

    Charles Darwin, wrote a book all about critters that give the finger to that buzzing rain cloud overhead, and also the ones that took their place.

  85. We shouldn’t sink to the CAGW advocates’ level and call them fools like they call people deniers. As all the information comes out about the expedition it will do a sufficient job of painting a picture of the competence of the expeditioners….

  86. No doubt the vast majority involved will have exactly the same first order of business: “get someplace warm.”

    Lol.

  87. Regarding the question “why were there tourists on board?”

    I’ve read in another forum, that it is very difficult to obtain a permit to travel to Antarctica if you want to bring in tourists. but very easy if you claim to make a scientific trip. So you can sell your “scientific trip” for lots of money to paying tourists, that otherwise can’t visit Antarctica.

    So their “tourist business” is in a very gray area

  88. WeatherOrNot says:
    January 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    _________________
    I call Bull $4!+ for your entire post.

  89. Oxyartes:
    Here are the Key obligations on organisers and operators as defined in the Australian Government Visitor Guidelines:

    http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/tourism/visitor-guidelines

    •Provide prior notification of, and reports on, their activities to the competent authorities of the appropriate Party or Parties.
    •Conduct an assessment of the potential environmental impacts of their planned activities.
    •Provide for effective response to environmental emergencies, especially with regard to marine pollution.
    •Ensure self-sufficiency and safe operations.
    •Respect scientific research and the Antarctic environment, including restrictions regarding protected areas, and the protection of flora and fauna.
    •Prevent the disposal and discharge of prohibited waste.

    The tourism excuse for the non-scientists looks a bit weak.

  90. I hope some mainstream media and public come to realize that these are the “scientists” that are force feeding us all this propaganda about climate change and that they must be scrutinized in some fashion.

  91. Frozen, stuffed turkey is always a “must have” item at Christmas.
    However, it is not often that such turkeys come with a Ph.D and are professors in Climate Change!
    I have no choice but to name next year’s gobbler “Chris Turney”.
    Oh, how I larfed!

  92. ktwop says: @ January 2, 2014 at 9:51 am

    A Ship of Fools or a Ship of Wimps, or both?
    If the crew can remain on board and there was no shortage of provisions…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The helicopter could have dropped a care package of Chinese emergency rations and saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. /snark

  93. Some folks say that the cAGW is a religious cult. Others say it is a massive fraud for money, position, and prestige. Still others say it is the effect of a modern “science” that has lost its way due to over reliance on computer modeling. I see a bit of all of that in the cAGW scam. But I really do think that funding of science by the government though its various means is the single most detrimental aspect of the whole affair. The State funds science and gets back what it wants to hear — that strong governmental control of the economy is critical to saving human existence. It is no coincidence that James Hansen of NSA led the way in “adjusting” past temperatures to make the past look colder and the present look warmer.

    A crowd funded and run data set of temperatures that is not fudged to yield predetermined results would be most welcome. Too bad it will probably never come to pass.

  94. Gobsmacked of Gippsland says:
    January 2, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Frozen, stuffed turkey is always a “must have” item at Christmas.
    However, it is not often that such turkeys come with a Ph.D and are professors in Climate Change!
    I have no choice but to name next year’s gobbler “Chris Turney”.
    Oh, how I larfed!
    ______________________
    They’d expected Christmas Turkey
    All they got was one big goose

  95. Comrades, do not believe reports in capitalist media. Lies by decadent Vesterners. This scientific research by People’s Scientific Academy is glorious discovery of new continent. Inhabitants form communes as proved by dialectical analysis by Academicians. Propose to call these inhabitants ‘penguins’.

  96. I raised this issue some weeks ago when the Aurora Australis was ice bound on its first resupply mission to Davis base losing a massive 3 weeks from its precious Antarctic Summer timetable.

    But now I would imagine the Australian Antarctic Division programmers have just about torn their hair out as the rest of the season’s shipping schedule must now be in tatters.

    The issue is “Is recent record Antarctic sea ice the “new norm?”

    I recall Greens leader Christine Milne and climate scientist Will Steffen falling over each other in their haste to get in front of a TV camera to pronounce early bush fires were now the “new norm” after a spell of hot dry weather combined with some high winds and some careless Army activity and shoddy power line maintenance resulted in some devastating wild fires in the Blue Mountains NSW.

    However they have been completely missing in action over Antarctic sea ice.

    Surely the question must be asked if higher sea ice in the Antarctic is the “new norm” planners must now take this into account when developing timetables for summer resupply shipping and other miscellaneous jollies such as the MV Akademik Shokalskiy fiasco.

  97. Just check the funding.

    If it was all privately funded, there’s no complaint you can make. Everyone has a perfect right to do stupid things with their money.

    If, however, there was BBC funding, or some other grant or university funding, then you can certainly ask questions intended to ascertain whether this was a right and proper use of taxpayer funds, and whether due care and attention was paid to the dangers…

  98. BBC’s reporting of above fiasco:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25573096

    “Despite being trapped, the scientists continued their experiments, measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice.

    One of the aims was to track how quickly the Antarctic’s sea ice was disappearing”

    How fast the ice is disappearing? Are you kidding me?

    Propaganda at its most in your face and up-is-down, war-is-peace as you can get.

  99. Maybe only Brit’s ‘ll see this as an attempt at levity – but Prof Turney has collaborated with Baldrick in the past – ‘ere… I’ve got this cunning plan…. really, I do

  100. I have my own question:
    Did the Guardian’s Laurence Topham reach for a banana or for a peanut butter milk shake first?

  101. This old Coast Guard Icebreaker hand says, now if they had the Mighty USCGC Eastwind, no problem. Anything less than 17 ft thick fine with us. Unfortunately I’m using my old ship as razor blades, Progress ?

  102. Credit where credit is due, when a PR genius talent like Prof. Turney creates a vision that is at once timeless and unforgettable . Truly one of the iconic images of CAGW will in future years come to be seen as “Baghdad Chris” Turney, blogging around the world from the ice-bound deck of the Academic Shokalskiy, “The sea ice is disappearing due to climate change.”

  103. Mods

    For the fourth or fifth time in a row (on different threads of course) my perfectly ordinary comment has been sent off to moderation. Perhaps it is because I log in using my wordpress.com account? (but why does any comment I make that starts with “mods” always get published right away?) I think I am getting too old to figure out the Zen of the net. :-)

  104. hmmm…another possible excuse for the warmies –

    “The science is (has) settled
    ….
    around our ship”….

  105. A couple more questions. How much fuel did they use and the cost? Further, how much pollution does this emit in a very pristine environment? For what?

  106. markstoval says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    For the fourth or fifth time in a row…”

    “I think I am getting too old to figure out the Zen of the net.”
    __________________________________
    I wasn’t going to say that.
    Really.

  107. GAZ says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    I have my own question:
    Did the Guardian’s Laurence Topham reach for a banana or for a peanut butter milk shake first?

    Just a whinging pom.
    translation: term ‘a whinging pom’ describe a person of British origin who will insistently complain about any situation that they may face.

  108. The ship Akademik S from pictures seem to be somewhat tilted. Ship in trouble could explain the evacuation hurriness. If the ship was ok they could have waited, still two months left of melt season and winds would have dispersed the ice eventually.

  109. Prof. Turney in a collaboration with Dr. Gerghis will undoubtedly publish important scientific discoveries made on this bold journey.

  110. “For a moving tale of a real expedition in this area I highly recommend:
    South: The Story Of Shackelton’s 1914-1917 Expedition By Sir Earnest Henry Shackelton”

    We can be sure that this Turkey Turney character has read enough of these stories of polar explorers to have come to the conclusion that the hardships of these ventures are what makes for the status of hero.

    Here’s where it turns pathological- =

    Subconsciously, he had the kernel of thought, that if and when the trip were to run into some sort of life threatening episode, he too could go down in history as a legend of polar exploration. Possibly they could go ashore, leaving the ship waiting for an extended period
    -then when the global warming melted the ice, the ice would paradoxically surround the boat.

    Then, if the ship were to steam off, for fear of impending Global Warming meltoff-and refreeze –they could be stranded to freeze and die heroically for their cause!! – All the while leaving behind diary blogs of their plight.

    Sort of a MSbProxie -= becomes MSbpsGWP –Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxie .

    Munchausen’s Syndrome by pseudo-scientific Global Warming Proxie

    It is not uncommon for the Munchausen types to even put the lives of their own children at risk.

    What a bigger polar explorer he would have been if this had turned into threat of a grisly scene -combining the scenes of the outcome of Jonesville with the scene at the summit of Mt Everest, which is still littered with hundreds of frozen corpses.–

    And then brazenly to make videos of it happening while giving it the twist of how brave they are singing and boozing like kids on Spring Break .

    MSbP perpetrators are willing to fulfill their need for positive attention by hurting even their own child(ren), thereby assuming the sick role by proxy. At times, as on this “trapped in the ice by Global Warming”, they are also able to assume the hero role and garner still more positive attention, by appearing to care for and save their child (along with the drunken childlike tourists).

  111. In http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/30/the-antarctic-research-fiasco-would-you-could-you-in-a-boat/#comment-1519771

    there is a great comment/explanation that I think should be kept in the face of the
    MSM and others who keep pushing the idea that this ice formation was “weather”,
    “wind”, “luck”, “unexpected” or other drivel. The conditions are known to be hazardous
    and well out of the range of “normal” even when normal….

    Also need to keep reminding MSM & co. about the 22 brave souls still aboard the ship.
    Even though it’s their job, it’s no picnic even in the best of times. Tacky indeed if Turney
    and his lot didn’t mention them at all, let alone thank them…
    “Aphan says:
    December 31, 2013 at 10:08 pm
    Here’s a problem I have with the whole thing.
    In 2010, the Mertz glacier tongue (the part that sticks out into the sea when a glacier reaches the shore and keeps going) was broken off by a huge iceberg called B09B, that had been “nudging” and battering into the side of the Mertz tongue for almost 18 years. The debris along with the remains of B09B moved north and west into Commonwealth Bay-where Mawson’s expedition base camp was. They filled in and froze in the bay three years ago. Satellite images captured the whole event beautifully.
    The captain of the ship KNEW this because the ship/cruise ships webpage states that it cannot promise any passengers that they would make it to land to visit Mawson’s huts/camp due to the passage being blocked by ice and the iceberg, and it being summer and all, the ice might not be safe to travel across.
    Now, the Mertz tongue had FORMERLY kept random sea ice chunks from entering the bay. It acted as a sort of “shield” and deflected anything floating out and around it into open water. Prior to 2010, getting into Mawson’s Commonwealth Bay was fairly easy to do in the summer without encountering a lot of ice at all.
    But for THREE years, scientists, anyone who checks a satellite image once in a while, or reads an occasional article on the area, and ALL ship captains who take cruises there, has KNOWN that conditions near the Bay are unpredictable and different than they had been before. They KNEW that the “protection” of the Mertz tongue was GONE, and that any OLD ice in the area could easily at least damage their ships, if not seal them in during a storm.
    So why…why on earth would ANY knowledgeable ship’s captain, familiar with the conditions and fierce events of that region, anchor a ship at the edge of a sea ice sheet that is known to shift, ESPECIALLY in the summer when the natural temps cause the ice on the shelves to calve more and break free? A captain who KNOWS that the sea ice blows into the Bay area MORE when south east winds blow? A captain who knew he was STILL two miles from open water as a storm blew in?
    Was the captain stupid? Inexperienced? Pressured by the “media” presence on board? Or the AGW activist/scientists that couldn’t claim AGW was melting the Antarctic if they didn’t actually get to explore it where Mawson did?
    Just how much about the Commonwealth Bay area did Chris Turney KNOW before he left? Did he research the area for years and have a perfect knowledge of the “new” shore conditions in that area since 2010? Or did he just pick a popular meme (Mawson) and decide to ride it’s coattails to media fame (by bringing along his own reporters) and head out with a group of innocent citizens who thought it sounded like a fun and “noble” thing to do?”

  112. I’ve read through the PR put out by Turney on the team’s website, as well as the PR surrounding the greater Australian agency (AASP) that sees this fiasco as part of it’s charter. From what I have read the AASP has “drunk the kool-aid” and is fully on board with the CAGW religion and is therefore not out to determine scientific truth, but rather to gather as much proof as possible supporting the meme. However, at one point in this “explanation” of their organizational mission I read the following: “As well, there will always be logistical and budgetary limits on the amount of science that can be supported by the Australian Government in the Southern Ocean and Antarctica, which will vary from time to time in line with government priorities. Therefore, there will be a need to prioritise within and across themes. Field work in these remote, challenging and dangerous environments is expensive, and requires SIGNIFICANT LOGISTICAL SUPPORT, and CAREFUL PLANNING and coordination.” (I’ve added the CAPS to their propaganda.)

    With this statement in mind, Anthony I think you should add this question to your list of questions:

    On your website you listed these as the primary research goals of your summertime cruise down south to Antarctica:
    “We are going south to:
    1. gain new insights into the circulation of the Southern Ocean and its impact on the global carbon cycle
    2. explore changes in ocean circulation caused by the growth of extensive fast ice and its impact on life in Commonwealth Bay
    3. use the subantarctic islands as thermometers of climatic change by using trees, peats and lakes to explore the past
    4. investigate the impact of changing climate on the ecology of the subantarctic islands
    5. discover the environmental influence on seabird populations across the Southern Ocean and in Commonwealth Bay
    6. understand changes in seal populations and their feeding patterns in the Southern Ocean and Commonwealth Bay
    7. produce the first underwater surveys of life in the subantarctic islands and Commonwealth Bay
    8. determine the extent to which human activity and pollution has directly impacted on this remote region of Antarctica
    9. provide baseline data to improve the next generation of atmospheric, oceanic and ice sheet models to improve predictions for the future

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/the-science-case/

    Question 12.) Could you please provide us with a copy of the “careful ‘research’ plan” that you surely must have developed to accomplish all 9 of your goals while you “cruised” around in the ice floes and right up onto the ice sheet off the coast of Antarctica? Please highlight in your plan how you also planned for avoiding getting trapped in this extensive ice sheet. After all, your parent organization claims that, “For the past decade, Australia has been one of few nations undertaking major field research programs on Antarctic sea ice characteristics and processes and their potential response to climate change.” Therefore, surely you must have known about the significant INCREASE in ice coverage over the ocean near Antarctica’s shoreline!

    For each of the 9 goals surely you must have developed structured plans including scientific methods, experimental plans, equipment requirements, time to complete your analyses, storage facilities for samples etc as well as a detail safety plan. Please include in these plans the justification for including your wife and children as well as the other “tourists”.

  113. Didn’t read all the comments, but my question goes to the CAGW explanation of the expanding sea ice, rather than to the faults of the expedition itself.

    Q: Is the CAGW crowd’s explanation that Antarctica is losing land ice which is then ending up adding to the (floating) sea ice extent an argument supported by the facts, and theory, as to what has, and would, happen? One of their answers seems to be that the continent has been shedding (i.e.,melting) ice resulting in an increase in sea ice as it refreezes upon entering salt water that is slightly below freezing itself. Another explanation could be that glaciers are calving, reducing ice on the continent, but adding to floating sea ice, although they seem to be relying upon the first explanation, probably because calving glaciers would indicate a piling up of ice, rather than a reduction, on the continent overall.

    If this has been discussed here in other articles, I’d appreciate a link. If it’s bogus, a discussion as to why would be appreciated. The first question should be, I suppose, is it clear that the continent is losing ice cover?

  114. Rod Everson says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    ______________________________
    There’s a YouTube video where that question is answered graphically. The annual melt water is shown flowing into the sea where it immediately freezes in “ice waterfalls”. It’s a great video and displays many of the things we’ve talked about in the threads about this event.

  115. WeatherOrNot says:
    January 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    “We shouldn’t sink to the CAGW advocates’ level and call them fools like they call people deniers. ”

    Because of the Holocaust connotations of “fools”, right?
    Well, for me it’s hard to fathom that they are indeed stupid enough to belive in their GCM’s so I’d prefer to call them crooks or maybe cronies or rent-seekers anyway; in any case, liars.

  116. Dodgy Geezer says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    “If, however, there was BBC funding, or some other grant or university funding, then you can certainly ask questions intended to ascertain whether this was a right and proper use of taxpayer funds, and whether due care and attention was paid to the dangers…”

    If it was BBC funded, it was perfect use of the money, because the wasted money will now not be used to produce other propaganda films; and this one just caused a certain blowback for the BBC’s agenda.

  117. If you watch the videos that this turkey Turney has been putting out, it reminds us of those old videos that Steve Irwin used to make where Irwin would chirp away in that Australian accent about how safe his infant baby was, held in his left hand, as he fed a huge hungry saltwater crocodile with his right hand.

  118. ZT says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Turney says that Australia pays for rescue….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am sure that is going to go over well with the tax payers.

  119. What a fiasco wrapped in ice cold irony. These naive fossil foolers got stuck while on a fossil fueled ship, nearly got rescued by a couple of fossil fueled ice-breakers, got rescued by a fossil fuel powered helicopter and are now cheerily being warmed by fossil fuels. What if the rescuers said that they are indeed listening to their advice on acting now and decided to leave them stuck in freezing sea ice?

    These people are a bunch of spoilt, privileged, bastards who have no care in the world about those who risked their lives under harsh conditions to rescue their sorry arses. I do hope they are acting now over the 22 members of crew left behind. Please note that I am toning down the language I had prepared earlier.

  120. Of course most Americans don’t know that this is a global warming scam gone wrong, yet.

    Frozen Out: 98% of Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On Global Warming Mission
    By Mike Ciandella | January 2, 2014 | 12:43
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    A group of climate change scientists were rescued by helicopter Jan. 2, after being stranded in the ice since Christmas morning. But the majority of the broadcast networks’ reports about the ice-locked climate researchers never mentioned climate change.

    The Russian ship, Akademic Shokalskiy, was stranded in the ice while on a climate change research expedition, yet nearly 98 percent of network news reports about the stranded researchers failed to mention their mission at all. Forty out of 41 stories (97.5 percent) on the network morning and evening news shows since Dec. 25 failed to mention climate change had anything to do with the expedition.

    In fact, rather than point out the mission was to find evidence of climate change, the networks often referred to the stranded people as “passengers,” “trackers” and even “tourists,” without a word about climate change or global warming.

    Chris Turney, the expedition’s leader, is a professor of climate change at the University of South Wales. According to Turney’s personal website, the purpose of the expedition is to “discover and communicate the environmental changes taking place in the south.”

    Twenty-two crew members stayed with the ship for the time being, as the scientists and researchers were rescued. According to CNN, the ship has enough supplies for “a very long time.”

    Three rescue attempts had been thwarted by growing levels of sea ice and weather conditions.

    “Outside, blizzard conditions packing an abnormal amount of ice in to the area for this time of the year, summer in the Antarctic,” ABC News Correspondent Gio Benitez reported on “Good Morning America” Dec. 31.

    On Jan. 2, all 52 passengers were airlifted to a nearby Australian icebreaker ship which had tried, and failed, to plow through the ice and free the Akademic Shokalskiy, on Dec. 30. “Good Morning America” said on Dec. 30, that “the ice could be as thick as 13 feet.”

    According to Fox News, Turney admitted “we’re stuck in our own experiment.” They reported on Dec. 30, that a statement from the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said, “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.”

    There was only one news story out of 41 that mentioned climate change. That was CBS “This Morning” Dec. 30. “Despite being frozen at a standstill, the team’s research on climate change and Antarctic wildlife is moving forward,” CBS News Correspondent Don Dahler said. That night, all three evening news programs still failed to make any mention of the group’s climate change research.

    The MRC’s Business and Media Institute was unable to view a copy of CBS “Sunday Morning” for Dec. 29, so that broadcast had to be excluded from the tally.

    Before their ship got stuck in ice, the researchers were following the trail of the explorer Douglas Mawson, who was stranded in Antarctica for more than a year, beginning in December 1912, according to the website about the expedition.

    About the Author
    Mike Ciandella is Staff Writer/Analyst for the Business &Media Institute Click here to follow Mike Ciandella on Twitter.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi#ixzz2pHW2FU59

  121. 5. What will be the duties and fate of the crew left behind?

    If I were a proper journalist I think I’d stay on the ship to report the full story, not run away just as it got interesting.

    More generally, clearly when you expect there to be less ice than 100 years ago, you take a ship that’s designed for no ice. Why bother with a more expensive vessel when you won’t need it? I really hope that the crew remain safe and that if the ship is damaged then their rescue will be with the same efforts.

  122. Eric Ellison says:
    January 2, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Some clarification is needed on my original post @ Jo Nova.

    Chris Turney does hold shares in Carbonscape…….but appears to have only become officially involved at an administration level in October 2012. The company was registered in 2006.
    Their website is: carbonscape.com/‎

    My point about Chris Turney claiming to have been involved in the “setting up” of the company, still stands. Why did it take 6 years for him to become a director, if he was one of the major players?
    ” To do something positive about climate change, he helped set up a carbon refining company called Carbonscape which has developed technology to fix carbon from the atmosphere and make a host of green bi-products, helping reduce greenhouse gas levels.”
    [http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-leaders/]
    The website has not been updated with details of the two new directors appointed in 2012.

  123. From the Guardian Article: Five basic Antarctic facts for climate change sceptics

    “2. It (the Antarctic) is not the same as the Arctic:
    The Arctic (around the north pole, doesn’t have penguins, but has polar bears) is very different from the Antarctic (around the south pole, has penguins, but not polar bears).”
    ——
    Well, that explains everything. Apparently wires got crossed and they ended up at the wrong pole. And the reason they were reluctant to re-board the ship was because they were looking for photo ops with the drowning polar bears (Coca Cola being one excursion sponsors).

  124. Thanks Alan…I haven’t watched it all yet, but it’s an interesting video so far. Very high quality too.

  125. Jeff –
    Thank you for your kinds words about my post here on Dec 31st. But there’s MORE….:)

    When I logged into Climate Depot this AM and saw a story title from No Trick Zone that I thought was interesting because I thought someone was saying the same thing I said yesterday (Jan 1) here at WUWT. I was shocked (and yes I squealed like a school girl) when I clicked on it and found that the story was about my comment and linked back here!

    The thread I posted it in got really, REALLY long (way to go Anthony!) so I’m sure it got missed, but I think it answers Anthony’s #9 really well. Reposting it here in it’s entirety so you don’t have to scroll for it. I have no idea how to collect a post number off of it! Hope that’s ok:
    ********************************

    Aphan says:
    January 1, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    My apologies if someone above has mentioned this. It’s getting to be a chore to scroll through all the activity here! (grins)

    From Janet Rice-http://www.janetrice.com.au/?e=98

    (After 1 am on December 24)

    “The ship is making very slow progress through pack ice. There is a narrow channel that we are inching our way along – it of course is pretty frozen in itself. There are icebergs on either side of us, some kilometres away – hard to tell exactly how far. We oscillate between hardly moving to suddenly being jolted sideways with a crunch as the ship bashes and barges its way through.”
    ***
    “We were out in similar conditions this afternoon. Somewhat brighter – in fact there was blue sky and sunshine for some periods. The weather has been better than the forecast blizzard, so that was good.”
    ***
    “The third drama of the day is the one which is still unfolding. Because of the Argo mishap we got off late, and had one less vehicle to ferry people to and fro. I’m told the Captain was becoming rather definite late in the afternoon that we needed to get everyone back on board ASAP because of the coming weather and the ice closing in. As I write we are continuing to make extremely slow progress through what looks like a winter alpine snow field – it’s yet another surreal part of this journey that we are in a ship trying to barge our way through here! I’m sure the Captain would have been much happier if we had got away a few hours earlier. Maybe we would have made it through the worst before it consolidated as much as it has with the very cold south- easterly winds blowing the ice away from the coast, around and behind us as well as ahead.

    We’ll see where we are in the morning – it may be a very white Christmas Eve!

    PS. 9.30am 24/12. We have moved less than a kilometre over night, and are now stationary in a sea of ice. The word is that we are not stuck, merely waiting for a weather change. It seems to me that we are having the quintessential Antarctic experience.J Stay tuned.”
    *******************************************************

    THE CAPTAIN and PASSENGERS knew that bad weather and ice were coming on Dec 23-that a “blizzard had been forecast”. The Captain made it clear to them more than once, because he “became rather definite” later that they needed to get OUT of that area ASAP.

    As of 1 am on December 24th, they were already progressing through “ice pack” that caused the ship to “bash and barge” it’s way through the ice! Need more evidence of how stupid these people are?

    On the 21st, Turney blogged about their trip to the Mawson camp on the 19/20th. Trying to find the LEAST hazardous way to access the Commonwealth Bay area, they decided to move the ship up the coast-farther away, but with access to better ice to drive across. He says this-

    “A timely reminder was during the evening we relocated. The Shokalskiy suddenly found it was in a mass breakout of ice. In just half an hour, an extensive area of ice (some of which we had been using for the Hangout on Air earlier that day) had broken up and was moving away from Commonwealth Bay with haste. Large pieces of ice, in the shape of shattered glass fragments – albeit large pieces – surrounded our vessel. There was no danger to the ship but it was a timely reminder how quickly things can change in this environment. You can never take anything for granted in the Antarctic!”

    After experiencing the ship being surrounded by breakout ice on the 18th or 18th of December in just HALF AN HOUR, they stayed in that area, moved slightly up the coast and with an incoming blizzard and MORE ice on the way, they went onshore and forced the boat to wait for their return. THEN they got stuck.

    For Chris Turney to then go on TELEVISION and act shocked that all this ice just mysteriously appeared and hemmed them in without any warning, is stunning. If the Captain gets sued for damages, I hope he takes every penny Chris Turney and the University of New South Wales will ever have in the future.
    ***********************************

    Going to screen cap both pages now…you never know….

  126. Caught up, literally, in one’s own propaganda.

    2 January 2014
    Antarctic rescue of Akademik Shokalskiy ship completed
    The BBC’s Andrew Luck-Baker describes his rescue experience
    …..
    The Australian rescue operators said the scientists and tourists were now all aboard the ship Aurora Australis.
    …….
    One of the aims was to track how quickly the Antarctic’s sea ice was disappearing.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25573096

    I hope this has been a cold, hard lesson for BBC journalists about how easily it is to be fooled time and time again by others and yourself. I do hope this near death miss is a wake up call on the Great Global Warming Catastrophic Delusion.

    I vaguely recall there was less sea ice in the area during Mawson’s time. Did the BBC bother to research this? I vaguely recall that Antarctica has been on a cooling trend since 1979. I vaguely recall that in recent years Antarctic sea ice has been near record extent……….ALL caused by catastrophic global warming of course.

  127. When there is a “near miss” or accident in the workplace , its Victorian Law (similar in NSW) that Worksafe are called to investigate within 48 hours. Given that these people were working as climate scientists for UNSW, wasn’t crashing into an iceberg (as they now claim) a “near miss”.
    Was for Captain Smith of the Titanic!
    But he was in darkness not 20 hours a day of daylight, had no radar or modern communications.
    Maybe the project leader on this ship of Ice Deniers checked the IPCC projections for ice, ran their projected computer models, emailed Al Gore who said the Antartic could be Ice free by 2015 ….and said “She’ll be right mate!
    Now…where’s that Worksafe Inspector?

  128. What amazes me is that we’ve had warmists trying to kayak to the north pole (fail), sail the Northwest Passage this summer (fail) and now warmists studying warming in Antarctica(fail). So far as I know, no deaths from their stupid stunts (yet). God protects fools and little children I guess.

  129. Are they really rescued or are they just bar hopping around the antarctic coast? Was under the impression the Aussie ship was also bound up in the ice. Also heard they opted to be dropped on the beach with the Aussies because the Chinese vessel is a dry ship. /snarc

  130. Paulo deSouza says January 2, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    If you watch the videos that this turkey Turney has been putting out, it reminds us of those old videos that Steve Irwin used to make where Irwin would chirp away in that Australian accent about how safe his infant baby was, held in his left hand, as he fed a huge hungry saltwater crocodile with his right hand.

    I remember that, it was classic Steve ‘feed-your-baby-to-the-croc’ Irwin …

  131. I can imagine the conversation between these idiots before they set sail. It will have been along the lines of that “we can show the world that the Antarctic is warming due to mankind’s CO2 emissions, we can demonstrate that fossil fuels should be banned, we need more windmills” etc etc etc.The reality is that their grasp of science was only exceeded by their lack of common sense! Embarrassingly, they managed to get stuck in ice in the height of the Antarctic Summer and only demonstrated that Antarctica now and in the days of Mawson, is not significantly different!

    It would have been comical had they not risked other peoples lives who have managed to save theirs (the poor crew are still stuck on board), not caused dreaded carbon emissions in this moronic venture and pollution of this wonderful continent.

    I am pleased they have been rescued and have not suffered too much, I will be even more pleased if they will pass on the observations that Antarctica is no different now, than it was in 1911 and that AGW is very bad science.

    Somehow I doubt the latter two will happen!!

  132. “The damning evidence is here-”

    The third drama of the day is the one which is still unfolding. Because of the Argo mishap we got off late, and had one less vehicle to ferry people to and fro. I’m told the Captain was becoming rather definite late in the afternoon that we needed to get everyone back on board ASAP because of the coming weather and the ice closing in. As I write we are continuing to make extremely slow progress through what looks like a winter alpine snow field – it’s yet another surreal part of this journey that we are in a ship trying to barge our way through here! I’m sure the Captain would have been much happier if we had got away a few hours earlier. Maybe we would have made it through the worst before it consolidated as much as it has with the very cold south- easterly winds blowing the ice away from the coast, around and behind us as well as ahead

    http://notrickszone.com/2013/12/31/expedition-on-the-cheap-did-organizers-recklessly-negligently-put-lives-and-property-at-risk/#comment-910538

  133. Michael Palmer at 9:28 am needs to think harder. Much harder.

    The captain of the ship was faced with two choices: abandon the shore trippers or wait for them.
    There appears to be a strong stench of selfish arrogance from those shore-trippers disregarding the captain’s position.
    Since there were no shore facilities offering shelter (maybe for months) the captain had his hands tied.
    And tied by whom? There is one selfish, arrogant and ignorant idiot in all of this. No need to guess too hard.

  134. Retracing the steps of Douglas Mawson? Haaaaaa haaaaa haaaa.

    Opinion: 6 Reasons Antarctic Explorers Were Tougher 100 Years Ago
    Early 20th-century adventurers overcame challenges few could endure today
    …No Hope of Rescue…
    …Unmapped Lands…
    …Grueling Workload…
    …A Perilous Home…
    …Starvation and Falling Into an Abyss…
    …Enduring Extreme Winters…
    They don’t make ‘em like they used to!

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131231-antarctica-ship-ice-trapped-explorers-history-science/

    I do hope that this ship of fools had SatNav and all the other gadgets that makes modern navigation so much easier? Yet they failed miserably whether they had it or not. It is a total and utter failure. FAIL.

    more soylent green! says:
    January 2, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Anybody else notice their rescue was enabled by “Carbon” fuels?

    Don’t you mean the TRIP and the rescue? Why didn’t they go by sail boat? Was their food cooked by windpower or solar? Did they wear hemp clothing? Did they eat beef from methane emitting cows? So many questions for these unrepentant hypocrites. Without modern fossil fuels such as diesel, natural gas and petrol very few of these fools would have dared ventured towards Antarctica. That is a lesson they must learn for themselves in a more honest way. I cannot help them with this issue of reality.

  135. Don’t be frightened to call these climate gate liars what they really are .” FRAUDS ” . When you make false and misleading statements on purpose that are always wrong for loot ,that is fraud . Big money= big fraud . It is time it was stopped , Notice the volcano smoking ??

  136. Every expedition after this wherever , the group sitting around the table will say let’s hope it doesn’t turn into a Turney.

    somebody needs to do a wikapedia page , doing a Turney.

    Turney , an expression used to signify an expedition already doomed from the start……..

  137. “The mods point out that no actual seals were cored in recording this thread response.” Okaaaay they took biopsy samples :-D But the seals will be suing anyway because they didn’t sign a consent form.

  138. The “fools” are safe but the ship is still stuck in the ice together with it’s crew.
    They are still in a very dangerous situation.
    So please don’t drop the subject until the crew and the ship are safe.

  139. New headline:
    Now that the Akademik Shokalskiy is safe in Antarctica, tough questions need to be asked.
    Hmm, are the 22 crew members now safe? Is the Akademik Shokalskiy now safe?
    I assume this story will continue as to the fate of the ship and her crew. Probably not with the MSM. Any updates as to their fate?

  140. *Didn’t mean for this to be so long. Just think the info here is important to the truth.*

    Just got back from screen capping and copying URLs (instead of just cutting and pasting out key points) from http://www.spiritofmawson.com/blog/. We just never know these days when website pages will disappear. Right?

    Not only does it detail all the sea ice they had to “grind through” (interactive map of the trips progress -https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=z8QYRx-LCqEw.kFHpO8ktLaqI) in order to get anywhere CLOSE to the continent in the first place, but in the days BEFORE they got stuck in the ice for good, REPEATED posts on the blog by passengers demonstrate that the ice-fast ice-shore ice-was breaking up over and over again!!

    Again, for Chris Turney to PRETEND after the ship got fatally stuck, to be shocked or surprised about all this ice suddenly showing up where it had not been before is ludicrous! It was there when they sailed in, it was breaking up and moving the whole time they were there, and Chris Turney admits on Dec 19th that he knew they were “between two low pressure system circulating the continent, promising fine, stable weather for at least the following two days. Unfortunately this is something of a double edged sword. We have been having extraordinary warm weather; so much so the fast ice – purportedly meaning the sea ice is locked ‘fast’ to the land – can spectacularly break out along the edge at any time.”

    Not only that, but the ship ITSELF was breaking up fast ice on on shore!

    *Dec 17th-Sean Borkovic-
    “We reached a point when the ship veered suddenly to port aiming directly at the ice sheet. Just like that we ploughed into the fast ice in an effort to ‘park’ the ship so we could disembark. As we were rattled and shook by the manoeuvre it seemed crazy and bizarre yet it was not enough. We did not penetrate too far and instead of wedging in tight it instead cracked off several floes of ice. It took 12 goes before we had a suitable ‘berth’. ”

    *Dec 18th- Robbie Turney-
    “Later in the afternoon we took the Argos along the fast ice. We got half way before we realised it was too late and that we should head back. Although when we got back there was a large crack in the ice, 3 metres wide. It was too big for the Argos and Quad Bikes so we had to wait until the ship could barge its way to us. We were there for about an hour waiting in the five degree heat. Luckily there was no wind chill.”

    *Dec 18th- Steve Lambert-
    “Early evening as everyone on the ice was heading back to the ship, the cracks in the ice widened, separating them from the ship. Our obliging captain, Igor, manoeuvered the ship to a new spot, so that they could safely board.
    Christmas Trees, decorations and lights are now up in the bar and dining room, We are festive. The Aussies have loved reminding our Pommie friends on board of that we have reclaimed the Ashes.
    …9pm. Just at the end of dinner – the ice sheet that we were on all day has had a massive fracture and disintegrated into numerous sheets with large areas of water in between! Good thing that we are all on board, as well as all of the scientific equipment and vehicles.”

    *Dec 19th-Ian McRae-
    “The fast ice, the frozen ocean attached to the distant land, is rapidly breaking up and as we walk, cracks appear and occasionally we sink down to our knees to the ice below or, sometimes, to water. The surface we were walking on yesterday is now floating out to sea as pack ice and there is a danger that we could float out with it.”

    Turney wraps up the 19th-20th on his entry on Dec 21st- (Note he acknowledges that he knew on or around Dec 19th that they are between low pressure systems and that stable weather might only last a couple of days)

    “The weather forecast was excellent. We were between two low pressure system circulating the continent, promising fine, stable weather for at least the following two days. Unfortunately this is something of a double edged sword. We have been having extraordinary warm weather; so much so the fast ice – purportedly meaning the sea ice is locked ‘fast’ to the land – can spectacularly break out along the edge at any time. A timely reminder was during the evening we relocated. The Shokalskiy suddenly found it was in a mass breakout of ice. In just half an hour, an extensive area of ice (some of which we had been using for the Hangout on Air earlier that day) had broken up and was moving away from Commonwealth Bay with haste. Large pieces of ice, in the shape of shattered glass fragments – albeit large pieces – surrounded our vessel. There was no danger to the ship but it was a timely reminder how quickly things can change in this environment. You can never take anything for granted in the Antarctic! ”

    By the 23rd, according to the Janet Rice site-they were surrounded by ice -http://www.janetrice.com.au/?e=98
    “The ship is making very slow progress through pack ice. There is a narrow channel that we are inching our way along – it of course is pretty frozen in itself. There are icebergs on either side of us, some kilometres away – hard to tell exactly how far. We oscillate between hardly moving to suddenly being jolted sideways with a crunch as the ship bashes and barges its way through.”

  141. They are not rescued yet.

    The Aurora Australis webcams show no open water extending as far as the horizon and its heading direction has been changing throughout the day, as in, they are searching for a way through the thick ice.

    The story would get even more bizarre if the Aurora got stuck just like the ice-hardened Russian ship and the Chinese ice-breaker before them. The French surrender upon first contact MO ice-breaker has made them look like the smart ones down there.

  142. The fools are safe now but their “science is still stuck”.

    Now don’t let them get away their propaganda and keep slapping them with real arguments.

    These are no scientists but hacks.

  143. By all means blame the master of the ship but what the heck was Mr. Turkey thinking? Doesn’t he have access to the computer model weather forecasts? ;) The models surely told him that the waters were ice free and almost boiling. Can he not see the satellite imagery showing open water all the way to the solid coast? Questions are now being asked about why Mr. Turkey could not see these settled things?

    As for the tourist passengers I do hope they have learned an embarrassing lesson. You have been had, you are a bunch of suckers. Put your tail between your legs and stop yapping about global warming………….which has stopped.

  144. Question: How did Chris Turney’s colleague on the UNSW Climate Change Research Centre Team, Steven Sherwood, manage to get his “Global Temps to Rise 4 degrees by 2100″ “research”published in Nature at precisely the time his team-mate was stuck in Antarctic ice?

    Question: How come the MSM did not notice or, if they did notice, did not inform their audience, that the Alvin Stone who put out the “4 degree” Press Release was – ironically – the same Alvin Stone they were quoting regularly as the “spokesman” for Turney’s Antarctic Expedition?

    Nature: Spread in model climate sensitivity traced to atmospheric convective mixing
    Received 16 May 2013; Accepted 05 November 2013; Published online 01 January 2014
    Affiliations: Steven C. Sherwood: Climate Change Research Centre and ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, University of New South Wales, Sydney 2052, Australia

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7481/full/nature12829.html

    no prizes for guessing which of the two stories the MSM ran with, big-time

  145. “Richard. says:
    January 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm
    Every expedition after this wherever , the group sitting around the table will say let’s hope it doesn’t turn into a Turney.
    somebody needs to do a wikapedia page, doing a Turney.
    Turney , an expression used to signify an expedition already doomed from the start……..”

    So instead of the Gore effect, we’ll have the
    power of a Turney…

  146. Gail Combs on January 2, 2014 at 9:10 am says:-

    “…… Prof Chris(tmas) Turkey went for the cheapest based …”

    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …

    That really cracks me up.

    Didn’t she mean ‘baste’ ?

    I’m off again.

  147. Historical perspective: From records of U.S. Operation Deep Freeze II, on New Year’s Day, 1957 there was heavy ice and strong winds near the mouth of the Ross Sea, at about 70 degrees South. To add to the drama, there was also a menacing iceberg, which got headlines back home. Two ships were severely damaged. Near the end of January, not far from the present site of Casey Station, about 65 degrees South, there was heavy ice and some ship damage occurred. However, by Feb. 1 the sea was open. Australians might want to comment on historical ice conditions around Casey. ,

  148. andrewmharding says:
    January 2, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    …. only demonstrated that Antarctica now and in the days of Mawson, is not significantly different!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes it is. On the three summers Mawson expedition sailed there in wooden boats it was Ice Free or nearly so. (1929/1930)
    See Anthony’s thread HERE

    Sort of makes you wonder about the Hokey Schtick and data fiddling especially when you combine it with this data from the USA link

  149. Well it didn’t take long for the parodies to start coming off the production line ….
    Enjoy!

  150. It would appear that the Global Warming dilettantes have escaped with their delusions intact. What will it take to get them in touch with reality? “Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius”, (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)

  151. When the end of the tender date comes and goes and the ship is still stuck in the ice.
    Who pays?
    It could be there for a very long time if it doesn’t get crushed and sinks.
    Which in turn raises almost two more identical questions.
    Who pays for the clean up of “environmental catastrophe” caused by the global warmists?
    Who pays the ruskys for the global warmists “losing” their ship?
    I do hope there is a welcoming party with the appropriate signage to greet these idiots where ever they arrive home.
    The story just keeps on giving.

  152. Just a curiosity:
    “Louise Adie, of Trumansburg, New York, worked as a kayak guide and ship historian aboard the Akademik Shokalskiy starting 10 years ago, sailing on the vessel for five seasons.

    Her opinion of the captain:
    “When guiding with the Shokalskiy, Adie worked closely with the ship’s current captain, Igor Kiselev, whom Adie described as “calm, efficient, very wise and friendly. Highly respected.”

    http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/CB/20131231/NEWS01/312310080/Eye-Antarctica-Trumansburg-woman-worked-stranded-ship?nclick_check=1

  153. a) For any negligence case, the outcome has to have been “reasonably foreseeable”. Given that Commonwealth Bay has been covered in sea ice for three years, I’d say that negligence wouldn’t be difficult to prove. Christmas Turkey, your goose is cooked.

    b) I think the Sherwood article in Nature was timed to coincide with the expedition, in order to ramp up the scare in a crescendo of alarmism. There is a lead-time on getting these articles reviewed and published.

    c) Further question: Why did climate “scientists” on this expedition not have the latest weather data and forecasts available to them, and why did they have to “phone a friend” days into the saga to get these forecasts?

    Negligence, negligence, negligence.

  154. Listened (watched) ZT’s video (1.56pm) and it is obvious he is a ‘Londoner’ probably S.E. of the river. English, obviously, but surely he can’t be yet another product of the Uni. of East Anglia.
    A quick google, Bing actually, confirmed my suspicion. Exeter as well, Met Off HQ.
    What a small world is CAGW.
    Relying on the new Aussie gov. to bail them out. C’mon Tony Abbot show us your speedos are not just for show.
    Watching the cricket in Sydney with a smallish G+T!

  155. A lot of questions.

    Many answers will be in the unsw risk assessment of tte project. The person who
    Signed off might be getting nervous now.

    All phd students have to do formal research proposals. Wonder how many have
    This expedition mentioned in thir proposals.

    The risk assessment might also have something about the purpose of
    The trip. There might even be an animal ethics application if anyone was
    Going to catch penguins.

  156. Evening US mainstream TV news had a short story about the rescue (can’t remember which network). To paraphrase: “They were never in any real danger- they had plenty of food, water and fuel.” And then the clip of singing in the tent.

  157. First off; they were not going to Mawson Station which is in MacRobertson Land about 1000 miles west – common mistake of the uninitiated. Second, there is nothing wrong in using a ship of this kind for a trip to Antarctica; the commercial companies charter several of them to take tourists to the Ross Sea, Antarctic peninsula etc. They all have Russian crews and captains who are the most experienced ice navigators, bar none. The critical issue is to heed their advice. In this case the Shokalskiy’s captain knew that the weather was changing and set a deadline for departure to reach open water – then only two miles away. But Turney’s mob, either from inexperience, incompetence or hubris – sounds like a mixture of all three from reports I have heard from pax on the ship – fumbled their return and so the window of opportunity closed. One experienced Antarctican on board has said that had the ship left by the captain’s deadline, they would have got out OK. So now he is wearing the consequences, and I feel truly sorry for him and his crew. I have sailed on many Russian icebreakers and ships similar to Shokalskiy and the captains are invariably both pleasant and supremely competent. A third factor that no one has mentioned is that Shokalskiy is chartered to Heritage Expeditions for a trip to the Ross Sea beginning at Bluff, NZ on 17 January. It’s highly unlikely she’ll make it, so there will be another 50 disappointed tourists, a furious CEO of Heritage, a huge insurance row….and incidentally, presumably Shokalskiy is still under charter to the AAE…are they paying for this??

  158. “Jim says:
    January 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    A lot of questions.

    Many answers will be in the unsw risk assessment of tte project. The person who
    Signed off might be getting nervous now.

    All phd students have to do formal research proposals. Wonder how many have
    This expedition mentioned in thir proposals.

    The risk assessment might also have something about the purpose of
    The trip. There might even be an animal ethics application if anyone was
    Going to catch penguins.”

    I was also wondering about the PhD students and their proposals
    (especially in view of Turney saying a lot of science had been done, etc.).
    Further up in these comments Richard Tol had the following information:

    “Richard Tol (@RichardTol) says:
    January 2, 2014 at 8:52 am
    I repeat this comment from Climate Etc
    There are 18 PhD students on this expedition. Six (1/3) work on the Antarctic. The others (2/3) work on the North Atlantic, Australia’s coastal waters, brain injury, Iceland, New Zealand’s North Island, urban climates, pedagogy, the Equatorial Undercurrent, pharmaceuticals, time series statistics, microbiology, and Siberia.”

    It would be interesting to find out what science had been “done”, if it was part of the
    PhD students’ programs, or if they were part of the group that Turney enticed by his
    revised advert with offers of hazards, etc. (somewhat ironic now…).

    Another thing to consider is the science delayed or no longer able to be performed at the Australian,
    Chinese, and French research facilities that were waiting on resupplies, etc. affected by
    the rescue operation.

    Finally, considering the deafening silence of the Western MSM on the plight of the crew of the
    Akademik Shokalskiy, is there anyone out there who can/is following the Russian media
    on this?

    (Granted, they may have their own issues – amazing how politics gets into
    every crevice of science anymore….)(or just plain everything, for that matter).

  159. Another important question,
    Is it too late to recruit the media members who are spinning this story?
    The way they are denying reality, we are guaranteed a gold medal in the figure skating competition in the Olympics.
    Triple , quadruple spins, move over olympians you are out classed.

  160. GAZ says:
    January 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    I have my own question:
    Did the Guardian’s Laurence Topham reach for a banana or for a peanut butter milk shake first?

    Um, the banana is part of the milkshake. Try it, you’ll like it.

  161. Regarding comment from Richard Tol

    Looking at the link toi the expedition site from climate etc it is clear that
    a significant number of the PhD students are effectively on a junket.
    The buzz-word that would be used would be “enrichment program.

    A significant number of the students are not from UNSW. So was this
    activity officially approved at their home institution. Did their home
    institution provided funding, if so, then there should be paperwork regarding
    risk. Did they just do a tick and flick and assume that unsw had everything
    under control. One would assume all the home institutions had a copy of
    the unsw risk assessment. The bottom line is that unless the students
    from other unisplaces are officially on leave, then their home instiution is liable
    for their safety while on the expedition.

    Students go to the antartic all the time, but normally they would be associated
    with the government run antartic programs which I suspect are all done
    more professioanally and they would not countenance (I hope I am not being
    overly optimistic here) students going down to such a dangerous environment
    for something that was not core to an approved Ph.D. reserach program.

  162. At what price do the msm members do double back flips for their lie masters of the CO2 Kills Fraud LLC.?

    Could this trip also be blamed on the same vidio that the attack on Bengazie was blamed on?

    Is it possible that all progressive programs and ideas are based on lies and fraud?

    End Game.

  163. @fobdangerclose 7:32
    Perhaps we are confusing the dog for the tail?
    This behaviour by the media is consistent across coverage of a range of rather mendacious persons.
    Maybe the media is the dog,the fleas it is protecting just useful plague carriers.
    Except as Conan shows, they do seem too stupid to much more than repeaters.

  164. AJB: Excellent new pic of the famous banner. . . . penguins with the blender, dairy cow, and the peanut butter cracked me up! but you forgot to have the penguin in the middle bringing over a pile of bannanas. . . . and where are all of Pooh’s friends and rabbits relations with their own banner . . . . c’mon, if this really was a serious “Expotition to the South Pole” surely they would have come along.

  165. It was a tourist jolly.

    Last night on RT (russian news) there was a documentary aboust Vostock and Progress ice stations in ther Antartic. The director who had wintered at theses stations for about 30 years said it is not scioence.Little science is done and there is little need for scientists to be stationed there. He said it was geo political and the science bit is just a cover.

    If the manning of Vostock is geo political with little real science done, then this voyage which did not investigate anything of particular or discover anything new, or add anything on top of satellite imagery of the area, was just a jolly; hence the reason why so few genuine scientists were on board.

  166. fobdangerclose says: @ January 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm
    …Is it possible that all progressive programs and ideas are based on lies and fraud?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    They have a completely different mindset and view of reality.

    The Philosophy Of Karl Marx
    … As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made. The universe and all events therein existed and took place only in the mind, and any change was a change in ideas. Therefore, to account for these changes in ideas was to account for change in the universe….

    Struggle or conflict was the en-evitable fact in such a universe—conflict of the thesis with its antithesis. In this struggle thesis and antithesis acted and reacted on each other, and a new phenomenon—synthesis—was created. All action or change occurring in the universe was, under the Hegelian philosophy, the product of thesis, antithesis, and resulting synthesis—all in the realm of ideas, since objective reality could exist only in that sphere. Since this process was universal and never ending, it offered a complete explanation of the causal processes creating all phenomena within the universe….

    If you can grasp the philosophy of Hegel much becomes clear. In CAGW we already had the struggle between thesis and antithesis years ago and are now in the synthesis stage and working on what to do about CAGW.

    This is why there is such an emphasis on “97% of Scientists agree” This is a statement that the synthesis stage has been reached. You can see this in the IPCC mandate which states:

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.

    http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

    The struggle between the thesis and antithesis has already taken place there is a new synthesis and the world is now ready to move to the next stage mitigation and adaptation.

    THIS is the reason we are called ‘Den!ers’ It is the process used to reach agreement that we are actually denying.

    This philosophy of Hegel appeals to academics because it puts them at the top rung of society. They are the thinkers who shape reality. Since they are sitting in their air conditioned ivory towers and buffered from stark reality by our civilization’s technology, reality doesn’t get much chance to womp them up side the head and hand them a Darwin Award.

    It also appeals to the young especially university students again because as thinkers they can shape reality. The protests and equal rights marches of the 1960s and 70s that ended in legislation and a shift in how the world runs just adds fuel to the fire.

    It also explains Obama’s harping on CHANGE, meaning a new synthesis.

    There is a lot of truth in the saying “A conservative is a liberal that got mugged” Unfortunately academics and politicians are pretty much immune to the bite of reality.

  167. Kevin White:

    Thanks for that. I laughed out loud at the line saying’
    “Don’t worry. He would make a very good clown.”

    Richard

  168. OLD DATA says:

    Very interesting Pravda.ru article: http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/31-12-2013/126523-criminal_global_warming_fraud-0/

    Interesting and bizarre. The text appears botched by an incompetent and careless editor, and the main thrust seems like an attempt to bite a feeding hand. Interesting too, that this attack on fraud would come from one of the most infamous outlets of institutionalised fraud.

    Today, thanks to a hostile comment on the Pravda website, we know who Gary Novak is. Here is the original:

    http://nov79.com/physics.html

    Even more interesting.

  169. According to the headline in the Australian the cost of the rescue is $400,000.

    This probably does not include the cost to existing Australian research due to
    The unavailability of the rescue boat.

    Jim

  170. I agree with most of those commenting here, it was a ship of fools and they deserve all the derision that has been heaped upon them.

    But, that is not the way the MSM and Alarmist are going to play. They will be hailed as heroes.

    Consider the story as it has been revealed. The “expedition is out on the “fast ice” (so called because it is stuck fast to the land. It gets “warm” ( 4 degrees C- about 40 degrees F. In New England in January, that would be called the “January thaw”). The fast ice breaks up, (because of the warm temperature, of course) causing the expedition to hurry back to ship, with their lives in danger from falling through cracks in the ice. By the time they arrive, the broken fast ice, now sea ice, has engulfed the ship.

    Fortunately, the tax payers of Australia have agreed to pay for their rescue. They are rescued by an international effort, having risked their lives to prove that global warming is breaking up the fast ice in the Antarctic. What heroes!

    Not the story I hope would be told, but the spin I see the MSM and Alarmist putting on it.

  171. old engineer says: @ January 3, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I agree with most of those commenting here, it was a ship of fools and they deserve all the derision that has been heaped upon them.

    But, that is not the way the MSM and Alarmist are going to play. They will be hailed as heroes….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actually that will depend on what happens to the Captain and crew. If the ship goes down (I really hope not) and/or the Russians do an inquiry the “Heroes” can easily become clowns at best or villains.

    The MSM keeps forgetting about the internet and the fact people now realize they lie. This means they see a story and check out the rest of the story on the internet.

    This is an interesting story, that is not going to endear the public to the media: Haters gonna hate. Dec 17, 2013. Note in the story the people they call Haters are 34% of the US voters who are fed up with both parties. ” [T]hey constitute a significant and growing share of the electorate” Way to go Washington Post, you really know how to win friends for the political class.

    Scott Rasmussen, of Rassmussen Polls has some pithy comments on the story HERE.

  172. Here is the explanation from the Prof himself as to what they will undertake and what they expect to study. From the Spirit of Mawson website..
    We are going south to:

    1 gain new insights into the circulation of the Southern Ocean and its impact on the global carbon cycle
    2 explore changes in ocean circulation caused by the growth of extensive fast ice and its impact on life in Commonwealth Bay
    3 use the subantarctic islands as thermometers of climatic change by using trees, peats and lakes to explore the past
    4 investigate the impact of changing climate on the ecology of the subantarctic islands
    discover the environmental influence on seabird populations across the Southern Ocean and in Commonwealth Bay
    5 understand changes in seal populations and their feeding patterns in the Southern Ocean and Commonwealth Bay
    6 produce the first underwater surveys of life in the subantarctic islands and Commonwealth Bay
    determine the extent to which human activity and pollution has directly impacted on this remote region of Antarctica
    7 provide baseline data to improve the next generation of atmospheric, oceanic and ice sheet models to improve predictions for the future

    For more information, do feel free to contact us. We hope you can join the team.

    Professor Chris Turney and Dr Chris Fogwill
    The Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013-2014
    University of New South Wales

  173. negrum says:

    “A contrarian is not a sceptic.”

    Nor is a sceptic a contrarian.

    Scientific skeptics simply ask climate alarmists to validate their claims with testable, verifiable evidence. It is not the fault of skeptics that alarmists have not been able to do so. That does not make sceptics “contrarians”.

  174. There are some posters here who can not spell “Antarctic”; however, they only make ONE error, and call the place the “Antartic”. Then there are the REAL geese who have listened to the illiterates in the (commonly North American; but not always) TV industry who pronounce the word “Anartic”. So we see the REAL illiterates who spell it that way. That degree of illiteracy should disqualify people from posting on an intelligent web-site like this. And should disqualify the TV people until they learn English.

  175. Hey, John – the mangling of the root word, “Artic”, is the real culprit. But keep watching for a tsunami of texting abbreviations that will make spelling as irrelevant as cursive writing and penmanship! Advanced academic degrees for deciphering hand-written letters by the end of this century…..

  176. Suspicions confirmed. These global warming/climate change zealots cannot and will not accept any evidence that is contrary to their “religion.” To do so will discredit years of their pontificating about the coming of the end of civilization and their self elected role as saviors of the planet and all the living things on it. Delusional intellectuals unfortunately have nothing else worthy of note to claim about their life’s work and their dedication to it. They will not go down quietly. Any “climate change” event worthy of note, i.e., that creates an inordinate loss of life and property, will be publicized to the max as evidence of the excessive greenhouse gas emission “problem.” Events such as this one, which illustrate the fallacy of their doom and gloom scenarios will be spun as this one so aptly illustrates.

  177. Well it’s all pretty silly commentary here – there’s ice all year round near Commonwealth Bay even in the middle of summer. If there’s ice there you can get stuck in it. End of story. That’s WHY you have icebreakers. It has no implications for or against warming. Fairly obvious really if you know the first thing about the area.

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