Bill Nye the clueless weather guy – flattened by tornado data

“Yid with Lid” ran this scathing headline (in the screencap below) yesterday, and pointed out why Nye just doesn’t have a clue. The tornado data following eviscerates Nye’s claims, who seems unable (or maybe unwilling) to Google his own claims for accuracy before bloviating them on CNN.


The screencap source at “Yid with Lid” is here, and the article goes on to explain and prove the headline correct. But, while Nye is taunting Inhofe, his own claims go up in flames with a simple examination of data.

When Nye Tweeted Monday he’d be on CNN with Piers Morgan, I gave him some advice:


Which he promptly ignored, from The Blaze:

During CNN’s live coverage of the deadly Oklahoma tornado on Monday night, host Piers Morgan and Bill Nye speculated on the possible role of climate change in the disaster.

“As a scientist, when you hear about the size, scale, power, devastation of this tornado, what does it tell you about the ongoing debate about climate change?” Morgan asked his guest.

Nye said climate change has to be considered after a catastrophic weather event like the devastating tornado in Oklahoma. He also claimed 10 of the last 12 years are the “warmest years recorded.”

“Thunderstorms are driven by heat and a tornado is a super thunderstorm — result of a super thunderstorm. So you’ve got to figure that if there’s more heat driving the storm then there’s going to be more tornadoes. Now this is the kind of thing that is worth investigating,” he added.

Watch the video at the Blaze here

I agree, it is worth investigating, all you need is about 20 seconds on Google to figure out Nye’s claim is totally unsupportable.

Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. Points out on Twitter, the map we carried in this post: The 2013 Moore Oklahoma Tornado – a synopsis

Fact of the day: In US 1953-1982 saw 38 F5/EF5 tornadoes (30 yrs) from 1983-2013 (30 5/12 yrs) there were 20. Source: …


This is a map and list of tornadoes since 1950 which the National Weather Service has rated F5 (before 2007) or EF5 (equivalent, 2007 onward, the most intense damage category on the Fujita and Enhanced Fujita damage scales. The tornadoes are numbered in the order they happened since 1950; so the numbers run from the bottom up. NOTE: Since the (E)F-scale is a subjective damage assessment tool, official NWS ratings (as logged in Storm Data and in the NSSFC/SPC database) may differ on occasion from those of other tornado databases, such as those of the Tornado Project or University of Chicago.

[Note: I've made the post 1983 F5 tornadoes blue, and the pre 1983 F5 tornadoes red in the table below - Anthony]

NUMBER	DATE                    LOCATION
======	=====================   ===========================

59	May 20, 2013		Moore OK
58	May 24, 2011		El Reno/Piedmont OK
57	May 22, 2011		Joplin MO
56	April 27, 2011		Rainsville/Sylvania AL
55	April 27, 2011		Preston MS
54	April 27, 2011		Hackleburg/Phil Campbell AL
53	April 27, 2011		Smithville MS
52	May 25, 2008		Parkersburg IA
51      May 4, 2007             Greensburg KS
50	May 3, 1999             Bridge Creek/Moore OK
49	April 16, 1998          Waynesboro TN
48	April 8, 1998           Oak Grove/Pleasant Grove AL
47	May 27, 1997            Jarrell TX
46	July 18, 1996           Oakfield WI
45	June 16, 1992           Chandler MN
44	April 26, 1991          Andover KS
43	August 28, 1990         Plainfield IL
42	March 13, 1990          Goessel KS
41	March 13, 1990          Hesston KS
40	May 31, 1985            Niles OH
39	June 7, 1984            Barneveld WI
38	April 2, 1982           Broken Bow OK
37	April 4, 1977           Birmingham AL
36	June 13, 1976           Jordan IA
35	April 19, 1976          Brownwood TX
34	March 26, 1976          Spiro OK
33	April 3, 1974           Guin AL 
32	April 3, 1974           Tanner AL 
31	April 3, 1974           Mt. Hope AL 
30	April 3, 1974           Sayler Park OH 
29	April 3, 1974           Brandenburg KY 
28	April 3, 1974           Xenia OH  
27	April 3, 1974           Daisy Hill IN  
26	May 6, 1973             Valley Mills TX
25	February 21, 1971       Delhi LA
24	May 11, 1970            Lubbock TX
23	June 13, 1968           Tracy MN
22	May 15, 1968            Maynard IA
21	May 15, 1968            Charles City IA
20	April 23, 1968          Gallipolis OH
19	October 14, 1966        Belmond IA
18	June 8, 1966            Topeka KS
17	March 3, 1966           Jackson MS
16	May 8, 1965             Gregory SD
15	May 5, 1964             Bradshaw NE
14	April 3, 1964           Wichita Falls TX
13	May 5, 1960             Prague OK
12	June 4, 1958            Menomonie WI
11	December 18, 1957       Murphysboro IL
10	June 20, 1957           Fargo ND
9	May 20, 1957            Ruskin Heights MO
8	April 3, 1956           Grand Rapids MI
7	May 25, 1955            Udall KS
6	May 25, 1955            Blackwell OK
5	December 5, 1953        Vicksburg MS
4	June 27, 1953           Adair IA
3	June 8, 1953            Flint MI
2	May 29, 1953            Ft. Rice ND
1	May 11, 1953            Waco TX

Let’s look at the NOAA plot of F3+ tornadoes:


Now compare that chart with US temperature data for the same period:



The majority of violent tornadoes occurred in the cooler periods of US history.

So, no matter how you look at it, Nye’s claim of…

““Thunderstorms are driven by heat and a tornado is a super thunderstorm — result of a super thunderstorm. So you’ve got to figure that if there’s more heat driving the storm then there’s going to be more tornadoes.”

…gets flattened with a simple inspection of temperature and tornado data.

If Bill Nye really is a “Science Guy”, you’d think he’d want to check his claims against real-world data before going on international TV, especially after being admonished to do so. Apparently not.

As Yid With Lid points out, “Perhaps his Bow Tie is on a bit too tight.”

Of course, this seems to be a pattern for Nye, who made unsupportable claims in a paid video production for Al Gore, and got flattened by the recreation of the “high school physics” experiment. He still hasn’t come clean on that one. See:

Al Gore and Bill Nye FAIL at doing a simple CO2 experiment


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71 Responses to Bill Nye the clueless weather guy – flattened by tornado data

  1. Reg. Blank says:

    His twitter profile says “Science Educator seeks to change the world..”, rather than to educate about science.

  2. John from the EU says:

    Time for WUWT to talk with Piers Morgan?

  3. milodonharlani says:

    Just another low-information (and not caring) activist.

    In general, colder conditions produce more storminess, due to steeper temperature gradients.

    Glacial phases of ice ages are stormier than interglacials, such as now. In the solar system, the colder the planet, the higher its winds.

  4. dp says:

    Nye is not a scientist. He was a mechanical engineer and training presenter at Boeing during the day and a local standup comedian in Seattle when he was tagged the “science guy” while being a know-it-all spelling nazi with a local television show’s host. The host, btw, was actually funny – Nye not so much. Disney later exploited the science guy meme and Nye’s popularity as the nouveau Mr. Wizard was settled among the facts challenged.

    It would be best for all to not take this guy too seriously. He has no qualifications in climate science or any other science that prepares him to speak as an authority on climate matters.

  5. Take Off Your Shoes & Feel the Global Warming says:

    So, as those soothsayers of Game of Thrones say: Winter is coming. :)

  6. Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:
    Bill Nye used to be funny, and he used to make cool shows about science for kids. Now he just acts like a juvenile and rambles on in incoherent ways that would be funny if he were on a Monty Python skit. Of course, as is, while laughable and ridiculous, it is mostly just sad. It makes me wonder if he is being paid to act so pathetically.

    To Anthony, thanks for the ready compilation of references and facts.

  7. JohnWho says:

    Is the end for Bill as “the Science Guy” nigh?

  8. _Jim says:

    John from the EU says May 23, 2013 at 7:43 am
    Time for WUWT to talk with Piers Morgan?

    Will U take him back?


  9. Bob Tisdale says:

    Bill Nye, if you’re reading this, you came across much better when you were skeptical of human-induced global warming. Yup, I recall you on CNN not so many years ago.

  10. Steve Keohane says:

    Interesting, pre-1983 EF5 tornadoes were February through December, post-1983, March through July.

  11. Randall_G says:

    Long before Bill Nye got national exposure, he was on Seattle’s “Almost Live”, where half the time his science demonstrations failed on live TV. He was better as one of the High Fivin’ White Guys or as the semi superhero Speed Walker. Those roles were supposed to be pathetic.

  12. Ian says:

    Paul Homewood, on his site carries out a fairly detailed examination of Nye’s claim against the data. That’s also worth a look.

  13. Steven Groeneveld says:

    I have often thought of stroms in terms of a heat engine. What is important in the thermodynamics of heat engines is not absolute temperature per se, but the temerature difference available to convert heat energy to mechanical energy. The claim that storms will get more violent with “global warming” is not logically (or scientifically) supported by their (the global warming zealots) very own general circulation models which universally predict that the poles will warm more than the tropics, in which case the temperature differences available to make big storms will be smaller. From the apparent evidence in the tornado count shown above I interpret that it is likely that the converse proposition, that cooler “global” temperatures create larger available temperature differences that will make storms more violent, is more likely.

  14. John B says:

    Bil Nye really is an apology for a human being. How disgusting for anyone to be selling their false beliefs off the back of the victims of this natural weather event. What does this say about any TV channel that allows this person to invade our screens. If advertisers are not offended by this then they should be.

  15. Horse says:

    We don’t want Piers Morgan back.
    Favourite Piers story: He Tweets “I was disapointed that Bradley Wiggis didn’t remove his cap for the National Anthem”. Bradley Wiggins Tweets “I was sorry Piers Morgan didn’t go to jail for insider dealing an phone tapping, but hey…”

  16. In the June issue of Popular Mechanics, there is a tribute to Fathers, for Fathers Day, article with snippets from the standard go to establishment spokes-mouths, including the “science guy” for the Sesame Street set. The Nye guy’s dad….”called himself Ned Nye, Boy Scientist. His life was changed and shaped by four years in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp in World War II.” It is sad that Ned apparently did not adequately describe this Hell, or that Bill has not invested any time into the elite stage setting that created that Hell, the previous Hells and the worlds pending Hell. The Japanese imperialism was created, nurtured and maintained by Euro elites, first to counter Russian expansion, then to destabilize China, who’s leaders had traded a millennium of silk and spices with Europe, but only for GOLD. This one way exchange had depleted western Gold stocks, and every effort was made to ‘recapture’ this economic base material. As Japan closed in on this stockpile, the Chinese emperor loaded six US battleships with gold and sent it to Ft Knox for ‘safe keeping’. To understand the economic hand that directs our puppet show reality, see the your tube video “All Wars Are Bankers Wars” and read “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G Edward Griffin. AGW is puppet science will remain unaffected by empirical evidence until exposed as elitist directed manipulation.

    Ned had no access to watches as a prisoner, so developed an interest in sundials, later patenting the “Sand-dial” for beach goers who didn’t want their Timex to take a licking. Bill honors his dad by saying….”his love of sundials stuck with me. I think he’d be proud to know I helped put the first sundials on Mars”.

    No Bill….i think your dad would be proud if you discovered the lies that created his four years of Hell and did ALL THAT YOU COULD DO TO PROMOTE TRUTH. Placing a token time piece on a remote planet is of no value to anyone.

  17. Don says:

    Lying propoganda hack.
    Clueless brainwashed zombie.
    Shameless cynical gold-digger.
    Narcissistic cognitively-dissonant piehole flapper (or “media celebrity” for short).

    Choose at least one.

  18. John F. Hultquist says:

    @ 8:24 Bob Tisdale provides a clue; “. . .you came across much better when you were skeptical . . .”

    Bill had his moments of fame many years ago and was on the wane. He gets invited places now, makes friends with ex-vice presidents and other rich and famous folks, and has a re-invigorated career. What’s not to like? Sure, someone figuratively stomps on him now and then, but the old adage fits:
    “Sticks and stones will break my bones
    But words will never harm me.”

  19. Michael Cohen says:

    In following up on a claim by James Elsner on the DotEarth blog, I came across this:
    which claims a trend of increasing severity in strong tornadoes.

    Does anyone know if this is reviewed work, or have any other comments? The rpub link is broken.

  20. edwardt says:

    I see the 1977 climate shift too in the floor as well as the spikes..we should be shifting back I’m guessing

  21. Richard Day says:

    Bill Nye, the “science” guy. There, fixed it for you.

  22. Mike Bromley the Canucklehead says:

    When he utters his conflab on CNN, he does so with his eyes closed. Notice that? A sure sign of deception.

  23. H.R. says:

    Shameless, not clueless.

    Here’s a prime example of someone who really should ‘take the 5th’… forever.

  24. Neo says:

    Caught his speech at the Lehigh University commencement on Monday, where he proclaimed that there is probably a virtual “endless supply of fossil fuels” for at least a couple of centuries and that we shouldn’t waste them. He left his most caustic comments for nuclear energy.

  25. u.k.(us) says:

    “When a tree falls in a lonely forest, and no animal is near by to hear it, does it make a sound? Why?”
    It used to be, that birds twittered.

  26. Ron Dean says:

    Interesting quote from the drought monitor summary at

    Iowa’s longest stretch without a tornado (359 days from May 25, 2012, to May 18, 2013) ended when several twisters were spotted on May 19. Previously, Iowa’s longest spell of tornado-free weather lasted 355 days in 1955-56.

    I wonder if Bill Nye will highlight this interesting data.

  27. CheshireRed says:

    His insinuations and claims (and those of Sen. Boxer) are so ludicrous and are so comprehensively exposed as factually incorect they cross from valid opinion to outright dis-information. In fact, let’s cut to the chase: he lied.

  28. Matthew W says:

    Bill Nye , Climate Clown

  29. Bill Taylor says:

    i am simply a layman but even i know storms are driven NOT by heat, but by the clash between the cold air mass and the warm air mass,and tornadoes happen when the UPPER air currents are moving in different directions, this cause a “rolling” of the air between the directional differences and then a storm gets some uplift into the spinning air and causes it to tilt and sometimes reach the ground as a tornado……..remove the different wind directions in the upper air and you dont get tornadoes.

  30. I was a member of the Planetary Society since the beginning in 1980. Last year I declined to renew. Couple of months ago they called up to ask me to renew. I told them that as long as Bill Nye is the current president, I’ll have nothing to do with them.

  31. Bill Nye reminds me of Dr. Karl in Australia. Both have wiped out any positive stuff they ever did by getting on this sinking ship.

  32. Kaboom says:

    Science has become scienciness in true Colbert fashion with these guys.

  33. Louis says:

    Back in 1975 they were blaming tornadoes on global cooling. Were they lying then or lying now?

  34. Mark Folkestad says:

    Joseph A. Olson, you have a unique view of history. Puyi, the last emperor of China, abdicated in 1912, and the monarchy was officially abolished by China in 1916. There was no emperor to send gold to the USA in the years leading up to WWII. It is unlikely, in any event, that we would send six battleships to transport gold, and, if we had done so, the battleships would have had a great deal of difficulty in reaching Kentucky.

  35. Strange thing is…. They could make an argument that AGW affects tornadoes. The formation of tornadoes relies of both warmer air AND cold air, something Nye doesn’t seem to know. Global warming might be affecting the frequency of tornado formation because it’s causing a decrease in cold systems aloft, making larger tornadoes LESS likely.

    And the real world observations provided by NOAA supports that hypothesis, as the trend of observed larger tornado occurrences does seem to have decreased a bit over the years.

    But a trend of LESS larger tornadoes just isn’t useful to the global warming alarmist industrial complex, so they’re not going to follow what the real world observations seem to be suggesting.

  36. Jack Simmons says:

    Joseph A Olson says:
    May 23, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Joseph I need references for the claims about gold being shipped to US.

    There are no International Court of Justice cases involving the Federal Reserve and China.

    The claim of 200,000 tons of gold being moved to US is hard to swallow as the US claims to have a total of 20,000 tons.

  37. Stephen Skinner says:

    “As a scientist, when you hear about the size, scale, power, devastation of this tornado, what does it tell you about the ongoing debate about climate change?” Morgan asked his guest.
    Nye said climate change has to be considered after a catastrophic weather event like the devastating tornado in Oklahoma.

    Tornadoes are definately more devastating and catastrophic today than say back in 1888 when they would have caused hardly any damage at all. Why? Because Oklahoma City did not exist. It was settled in 1899 and has grown to over 1.3 million people today. That is a big target which wasn’t there not that long ago.
    To be scientific the amount of devastation caused by a storm is not a useful measure of anything as the amount of people and the value and amount of their possessions keeps on growing.

  38. Ch3 says:

    Here is the giant hole in using the frequency of “strong” tornadoes as rated on the Fujita and Enhanced Fujita scales; the scale rates a tornado’s strength based not only on objective measurements of wind speed but also on the amount of damage that it causes. So as land use has changed (from rural/farmland to suburban) the amount of damage a tornado can do has increased. Until someone invents a way to normalize current tornado damage to historical land usage (or vice versa) it is impossible to know if the frequency and strength of tornadoes have increased.

  39. Luther Wu says:

    Come on Bill, if you insist on wearing bow ties while getting political, not sticking with science, then people are going to lump you in with other bow tie- wearing pols like Louis Farrakhan and Karl Marx. (No, Pee- wee Herman isn’t political.)

  40. NikFromNYC says:

    Lying about the weather to kids is as creepy as can be. Since he is also still loved by so many immature but creative geeks, activists included, the stormy backlash will be quite a blowout indeed. The skin of the entire left side of the political equation is beginning to crawl.

  41. James at 48 says:

    Anyone ask Bill Nye about April 1974?

  42. F. Ross says:

    @Jack Simmons says:
    May 23, 2013 at 10:42 am

    @Joseph A Olson says:
    May 23, 2013 at 8:39 am
    “The claim of 200,000 tons of gold being moved to US is hard to swallow as the US claims to have a total of 20,000 tons.”

    I’ve searched through all the posts above but cannot find where Olson claims that 200,000 tons [or 20,000 tons either] were sent to the US.
    Can someone please point me to the Olson post that makes that claim? Thanks.

  43. PharmaModeler says:

    From his show long ago, there was one good piece of advice that we should all take to heart: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” (after Laplace, I think, though he didn’t give attribution). If you debate again, consider quoting that back to him.

  44. Jimbo says:

    It look from the graph that F3 to F5s have been going down with all the better detection we have nowadays. And during the ‘hottest’ decade on the record.

  45. Jarrett Jones says:

    It is not true that tornadoes are classified based on the total amount of damage they cause.

    They are classified based on the *type* of damage they cause. A 100 mph wind causes a certain level of damage to structures and trees. A 200 mph wind causes a different level of damage to structures and trees. The difference was as obvious in 1913 as it is in 2013.

    Whether this damage is only in a small area or along a path a mile wide and several miles long and whether or not there are only fields and trees in the path or neighborhoods and schools does not affect the rating of the tornado. Normalization is not necessary.

  46. JohnB says:

    A couple of interesting things. First of all, people always refer to “tornado alley.” I wonder what that means? The number of locations, running West to East, south of Oklahoma’s northern border is the 2nd largest number. The largest number is from West Texas and South central Texas up thru central and eastern OK, up thru central and eastern KS and far western MO, up thru the middle of IA and on into Wisconsin. That appears to be the true alley.

    If you show this temperature graph to any continental US citizen (1.2% of the earth’s area [I think]), they would probably say that global warming is obvious. We all know about the other 98% of the world, but, most of them do not. Also, I am not that good at math, but since 1955 the temperature trend is up, but the average is down? I know that is possible, but I think that means that the average the first 55 years was really high?

  47. Blue Sky says:

    Dear Bill,
    In was a great day, last Monday at Lehigh, as my daughter was graduating(with a job). I was looking forward to a day of inspiring speeches, happy students, proud parents and the joy that graduation brings. All those things happened. Even the weather held a perfect balance…no rain and not too much sun.
    However, your speech was a little discordant. You are a good Public Speaker and being in front of a large live crowd must be a little tough, but your don’t have children and we are killing Mother Earth because of Co2 rant was kind of sad. Your going on Piers Morgan that night were you lied about tornadoes was brutal. The class of 2013 will as you said “Change the world”. They will do this being positive.
    The future belongs to the brave. Tornado activity has declined these last fifty years. Why do you not say that? According to climate models(that you believe in) the poles warm faster than the equator thus lowering the difference between hot and cold…less storms…less severe weather.
    Why do you not say this?

  48. glenncz says:

    Bill Nye was the main commencement speaker at my daughters Lehigh University graduation ceremony this past Monday. I am sure that many real science guys in the audience were seething about his global warming claims.

  49. Jay says:

    Entertainer idiot who would sell his own mother to run with the big boys.. Its a pretty safe bet that nobody is paying him to tell the truth.. So he gets tapped to slip a little left wing indoctrination to the kids that followed his children’s show..

    Standard stuff really.. If your politically powerful and completely full of dung the only way to ensure YOUR future is to brainwash the kids ASAP..

  50. Luther Wu says:

    Blue Sky says:
    May 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Dear Bill,
    In was a great day, last Monday at Lehigh, as my daughter was graduating(with a job)…
    glenncz says:
    May 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Bill Nye was the main commencement speaker at my daughters Lehigh University graduation ceremony this past Monday…
    “It’s a small world, but I wouldn’t want to paint it.”- Steven Wright

  51. denniswingo says:

    Wait a minute, tornados are not driven by heat like thunderstorms, they are driven by cold fronts intersecting a warm front with all the atmospheric instability that the temperature differences cause. This is not the only cause but it is by far the dominate one.

  52. Eve Stevens says:

    Severe convection that results in tornadic activity occurs when two very different air masses collide. The greater the temperatures difference from one side of the front or trigger to the other, the greater the lift, and the more dramatic the weather. So it is our colder than normal weather that has a direct link to the deadly tornadoes that have ravaged the Midwestern states.
    The scientists can’t figure that out?

  53. Dan Pangburn says:

    Natural Climate change has been hiding in plain sight

  54. craigm350 says:

    Reblogged this on CraigM350 and commented:
    Ambulance chaser Nye. Shameful.

  55. @ Mark Folkestad & Jack Simmons, thanks F Ross

    This is hardly the forum for detail history debates, however this being MEMORIAL DAY weekend, and Bill Nye mention of his WAR HERO father, this a brief clarification is allowable. Chinese Emperor Hsian T’ung did abdicate in 1912, was reinstalled by the Japanese in Manchukuo from 1932 to 1945. He was replaced by pseudo-emporerors, Sun Yat-sen, et al. Japan had been humiliated by the Admiral Perry Black Navy invasion in 1853 and took revenge during the Civil War, seizing the US island territory of Chichi Jima, as the Russian Navy aided the Union blockade, British forces aided the Confederacy and France invaded Mexico. China had been weakened by the European Opium Wars and was invaded in the Sino-Japanese War of 1895-19896, and Japanese Imperialism followed with the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, the Manchurian Invasion in 1931 and of China proper 1937.

    Chinese Gold stocks were reported as worlds largest, and were moved to the US for save keeping and to buy war material, including support from the American Volunteer Group, including ace pilot and author, “Tex Hill, Flying Tiger”. His autobiography was posted after the 50 year US government ordered classified WW II Pacific Theater moratorium expired as well as “Ship Of Ghosts” on the captured sailors of the USS Houston, by James Hornfischer. These men survived the Bataan Death March and built the Thai [Japanese] railroad, including the Bridge over the River Kwai. Other classified for 50 years material is in “Flyboys” by James Bradley. Bill Nye should review this uncensored material for a clearer memory of his dad. For more on the Sino-Japanese history see

    There was a brief news item last summer on ~$200 billion in US Gold Certificates found by customs officials on the Italian-Swiss border, and reputed to be the from the original Chiang Kai-shek transferred reserve. We are fed far more faux history than faux science, skeptics should be welcome in both camps. Thanks to all veterans, and as a tribute, all Americans are requested to read just one book, on one war, or one battle, or one HERO….and reflect on the Truth they sacrificed for you to find. There has been centuries long war of Imperialist destruction vs empirical Truth….and as the youtube video explains….”All Wars Are Bankers Wars”. Peace.

  56. TomR,Worc,MA says:

    Mark Folkestad says:
    May 23, 2013 at 10:27 am
    Joseph A. Olson, you have a unique view of history. Puyi, the last emperor of China, abdicated in 1912, and the monarchy was officially abolished by China in 1916. There was no emperor to send gold to the USA in the years leading up to WWII. It is unlikely, in any event, that we would send six battleships to transport gold, and, if we had done so, the battleships would have had a great deal of difficulty in reaching Kentucky.


    Every time read something like Mr. Olson wrote, it makes me think that he is either a troll here to try to make us look like the conspiracy nutters that the CAGW crowd (Cook/Lewindowski) say we are.

    Either that or he is just nuts.

    Tom R.

  57. George V says:

    The sad thing is that many more people get their climate information from Bill Nye on CNN than from this blog or other sources that have a more scientific approach.

  58. wbrozek says:

    He also claimed 10 of the last 12 years are the “warmest years recorded.

    Did he forget about 1998? Another fact that may be of interest: With RSS, 2012 ranks 11th, and 2011 ranks 13th, and 2008 is 22nd. So three of the last five years are not even be in the top ten!

  59. True sign of a troll is anonymous post name like “Tom R, Worc, MA” with no web link. I use my REAL NAME, i’ve been a Registered Professional Engineer for 29 years and have a life long passion for knowledge, with a reading hobby in science and history. I’ve read literally thousands of college level texts. I’ve been to Europe eight times, sailed the Nile for three weeks and toured vast portions of America and Mexico. I have authored +150 major articles on science and history with 61 in archive at Canada Free Press, dozens posted at Drudge Report, Brietbart, Climate Depot and cross linked to tens of thousands of websites in 25 foreign languages. My post name has direct web-link to my articles and other media presentations. Zombies need not be bothered by “conspiracies” so you can return to your pre-comment coma, sanctimoniously snug about protecting your fellow zombies from a “nutter”.

    I do not write for zombies….real humans KNOW that we have a defective “reality”….
    and search for Truth.

  60. TWE says:

    Re: Joseph A Olson says:
    May 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Too true.
    People always joke about zombie apocalypses, but the funniest thing is we already have one. It just isn’t the same kind as the ones in the movies.

  61. ralfellis says:

    Basic meteorological misunderstanding here. Cumulonimbus clouds (and thus tornados) are NOT driven by heat, they are driven by a difference in temperatures (preferably hot at the bottom and cold at the top, with a large lapse-rate). This is why you can get severe weather on very cold planets and moons.


  62. Gail Combs says:

    Remember the average IQ is 100 that means 50% of the voters are not exactly the sharpest knifes in the drawer and get most if not all of their information from TV. They really do not care about the ~16% with IQs above 115 who have the curiosity and reasoning ability to look behind the propaganda.

    A long-awaited federal study finds that an estimated 32 million adults in the USA — about one in seven — are saddled with such low literacy skills that it would be tough for them to read anything more challenging than a children’s picture book…

    A lot of other adults are too busy trying to earn a living to even pay attention to what is going on except for maybe a half hour of main stream news in the evening. That is why propaganda works so well.

  63. Mr Green Genes says:

    Horse says:
    May 23, 2013 at 8:38 am

    We don’t want Piers Morgan back.

    I have to agree with this. Not for nothing does Private Eye refer to him as Piers Moron.

  64. Kevin says:

    This is so sad. I used to think Bill Nye was smart. What the hell happened to him?

  65. Lars P. says:

    Eve Stevens says:
    May 23, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    Severe convection that results in tornadic activity occurs when two very different air masses collide. The greater the temperatures difference from one side of the front or trigger to the other, the greater the lift, and the more dramatic the weather. So it is our colder than normal weather that has a direct link to the deadly tornadoes that have ravaged the Midwestern states.
    The scientists can’t figure that out?

    It is much more easy to sell snake oil then to explain unpopular plain science based on data and get all the flak from cultists.
    With the politic correct culture, it is more important to say politic correct sentences then to say the truth – this seems to be the guideline for many public figures.
    The question is if he is so stupid no to understand or so indifferent not to check the truth of the statement, so used to the snake oil mantra that he is no longer able to discern the truth or he doesn’t care?

  66. badbeta says:

    You woke up Kevin. :)

  67. Kevin says:

    I guess you’re right, badbeta. It just makes me so sad. I chose a path in science largely based upon Nye and his goofy TV show. I loved it and loved everything he did. Some of the stuff he did on that show was like magic before I learned how to do it. Heck, some of it is like magic even today, even though I’m a chemical engineer now and know how to do them all now. He did so many cool and fun science tricks. But now he’s wasted that all with his belief in ‘consensus’ science as if that were a real substitute for ACTUAL science.

    So sad. I’m so sad that it’s painful. I really liked him – kind of like a father figure. Don’t you still believe in the scientific method, Bill? It just feels like a big loss. I’ll get over it I guess, but not quickly or easily. He was a big part of tv science. Now he’s a tool :(.

  68. John B., M.D. says:

    Question: If you have two identical silica glass bottles (closed to the air), except one is filled with nitrogen/oxygen, and the other with 100% CO2, and you put them in identical sunlight for the same amount of time, which bottle interior will be warmer and why?

    Would it be unreasonable to say that the one with some oxygen in it would be WARMER? Yes, I said warmer. The glass in each bottle would block the UV and IR components of the spectrum of sunlight equally. According to the absorption spectrum info below, oxygen appears to absorb a tiny bit in the visible spectrum (400-700 nm), whereas carbon dioxide does not. Hence, the gases in the nitrogen/oxygen would tend to warm relative to the CO2 bottle.

    I would add that this experiment cannot be generalized to the Earth’s atmosphere, as it is
    1) not enclosed by glass
    2) not enclosed at all, thus permitting convective and radiative heat transfer
    3) also contains water vapor

    Opinions, please.

  69. Dave says:

    What the hell is Nye on about, anyway? Tornados simply aren’t driven by heat. They’re caused by discontinuities in a laminar flow of wind across the landscape.

  70. Galane says:

    “Bridge over the River Kwai”? Noooo. It was the bridge over the Mae Klong. Kwai was a Hollywood invention. That tributary of the Mae Klong was renamed Khwae Yai River in 1960, dunno by whom, to sound more like the Kwai of the 1957 movie. Two bridges were built by UK, Dutch, American and French prisoners. First a temporary wooden one, then the concrete and steel one, which is still in use. Both bridges were bombed by Allied forces. Repairs to the concrete and steel bridge were provided by Japan after the war as part of their war reparations.

    Pierre Boulle, who actually was a POW in Thailand, wrote the very fictionalized novel on which the movie was based. He also wrote the original story on which the “Planet of the Apes” movies were based.

    Thus Higgins’ (in Magnum P.I.) claim to have been a POW in Burma who worked on the “Bridge over the River Kwai” was a lie. The model of the bridge he built during the series was a replica of the movie bridge, not either of the two real bridges. (The facts also show that Thomas Magnum was a poor student of history or just didn’t call out Higgins for being a fraud.)

    But that’s the kind of “facts” that get into “knowledge” when one relies on Hollywood for history, or science.

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