POLL and CONTEST: San Francisco Snow- How long before it gets connected to "global warming, climate change, climate disruption"?

Ah you know its coming, both the snow and the blame game. Here’s a NWS/NOAA graphic you don’t see very often:

The forecasts say snow possibly down to sea level, or very close. I’m betting we’ll see at least snow flurries in downtown SFO at least briefly.

Here’s the latest forecast discussion:

FXUS66 KMTR 241819

AFDMTR

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA

1019 AM PST THU FEB 24 2011

...COLD WINTER STORM TO IMPACT OUR AREA LATER TODAY...

...VERY COLD TEMPERATURES EXPECTED BOTH EARLY SATURDAY MORNING AND

SUNDAY MORNING...

.DISCUSSION...AS OF 10:14 AM PST THURSDAY...LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS HAVE

BEEN REPORTED ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA THIS MORNING. LOOKING AT THE

LATEST SATELLITE WATER VAPOUR IMAGE IT IS APPARENT THAT THE AREA

IS UNDER MOIST NORTHWEST FLOW AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING STORM SYSTEM.

THE MOIST FLOW WILL PRODUCE SHOWERS THROUGHOUT THE DAY TODAY WITH

THE BEST CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION FROM THE GOLDEN GATE NORTH AS WELL

AS THE WINDWARD SIDE OF THE COASTAL MOUNTAINS. THE VISIBLE

SATELLITE IMAGE IS SHOWING MAINLY CUMULUS TYPE CLOUDS FROM THE

GOLDEN GATE SOUTH SO ALTHOUGH SHOWERS ARE LIKELY IN THE MONTEREY

AREA THERE WILL BE PERIODS OF SUN TODAY.

CURRENTLY IT APPEARS THAT THE FORECAST MODELS ARE IN GOOD

AGREEMENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WHICH IS

EXPECTED TO BEGIN TO IMPACT THE AREA TODAY. COLD AIR WILL BEGIN TO

FILTER INTO THE FORECAST AREA TODAY DROPPING FREEZING LEVELS AS IT

SLIDES SOUTHWARD. THE CURRENT FORECAST IS ADVERTISING SNOW LEVELS

OF 1500 FEET TONIGHT IN THE NORTH BAY WHICH SEEMS REASONABLE. SNOW

LEVELS ARE FORECAST TO DROP TO 300 TO 400 FEET FOR THE NORTH BAY

TOMORROW NIGHT INTO SATURDAY MORNING FOR THE NORTH BAY. THESE LOW

FREEZING LEVELS WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD SOUTH TO MONTEREY COUNTY BY

SATURDAY MORNING.

WITH THE LOW FREEZING LEVELS SNOW WILL BECOME AN ISSUE FOR

ELEVATED AREAS AND WINTER WEATHER ADVISORIES HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR

ALL OF THE MOUNTAIN ZONES TONIGHT AND TOMORROW. THE FORECAST ISSUE

TODAY WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE THE NORTH BAY VALLEYS IN THE

WINTER WEATHER ADVISORIES. ACCORDING TO THE HYDROLOGICAL PREDICTION

CENTER 24 HOUR SNOW FALL PROBABILITY DOES INDICATE A 10 TO 20

PERCENT CHANCE OF RECEIVING 1 INCH OR LESS OF SNOW IN THE SAN

FRANCISCO BAY BETWEEN 1200Z THE 25TH AND 1200Z THE 26TH. THE SAN

FRANCISCO BAY AREA HAS NOT RECEIVED MEASURABLE SNOW IN QUITE SOME

TIME HOWEVER THIS IS A VERY COLD AIRMASS AND A FEW SNOW FLURRIES MAY

BE EXPERIENCED IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA. TO SUPPORT THIS

STATEMENT A CROSS SECTION WAS PERFORMED FROM SONOMA TO SOUTHERN

MONTEREY COUNTY FOR THE 0600Z SATURDAY THROUGH 1200Z SATURDAY

TIME FRAME AND SOME CONDITIONAL INSTABILITY AND MAYBE EVEN AN

ARGUMENT FOR CONDITIONAL SYMMETRIC INSTABILITY CAN BE MADE FOR THIS

TIME FRAME. ALL THIS MEANS IS THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR

BANDED PRECIPITATION AND SOME IF IT MAY BE IN THE FORM OF SNOW. I DO

FEEL THAT THE SOIL AND GROUND TEMPERATURE WILL BE TOO WARM IN THE

CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO TO SUPPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION BUT WE WILL SEE

A FEW FLURRIES. HOWEVER, A FEW HUNDRED FEET IN ELEVATION AND

PRECIPITATION WILL BECOME PREDOMINATELY SNOW.

CONTEST

The NWS is so interested in this rare event, they want people to TWEET with geolocation info. This is at the top of the NWS San Fran web page:

noaa bullet See Snow in the Bay Area – Tweet It! new/updated icon

So in that spirit, I’d like people to be on the lookout not for the first snowfall, but for the first ridiculous claim that this SFO snowfall is related to any of these:

global warming, climate change, or climate disruption,

For example:

“…global warming increases increases severe events, why is why we have this snow in SFO”

…would qualify.

The first credible and verifiable report posted here in comments will earn the tipster a single item of their choice from the WUWT Stuff store, see here.

POLL

In the meantime, here is a poll:

It’s at least 24 hours from any snow in SFO, so we may even find statements in advance. Good hunting.

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February 24, 2011 2:43 pm

“The first credible and verifiable report [..]”
I think “credible” is going to be difficult. I’m anticipating it’ll be Joe Romm, but I’d never describe his commentary as “credible”. Nobody who pushes this pseudo-science (let’s begin calling it what it REALLY is) can possibly be described as “credible”.

Brian H
February 24, 2011 2:45 pm

It’s Camelot! Surely such weather shenanigans are against the law!
>:(
>:P

Annei
February 24, 2011 2:46 pm

I await developments with interest!

pinroot
February 24, 2011 2:51 pm

“…global warming increases increases severe events, why is why we have this snow in SFO” should be “which is why”.
Sorry, it’s the grammar Nazi in me.

P Walker
February 24, 2011 2:54 pm

Funny thing about John Kerry – AFAIK , until it became one of Obama’s priorities , he had no interest in Cap and Trade and little if any knowledge of climate change . But I think Romm will be the first to try to tie snow in the bay area to warming – he’s too consistent that way .

Al Gored
February 24, 2011 2:54 pm

Just went looking. No mention of the dreaded AGW yet. Did find this:
“Previous snowfall at sea level in San Francisco:
Dec. 25, 1856 2.5 inches
June 12, 1868 2 inches
Dec. 31, 1882 3.5 inches
Feb. 7, 1884 1.5 inches
Feb. 5, 1887 3.7 inches (most snow ever recorded in the city)
Jan. 16, 1888 0.1 of an inch
March 3, 1896 1 inch (latest ever)
Dec. 11, 1932 0.8 of an inch
Jan. 15, 1952 0.3 of an inch
Jan. 21, 1962 2 inches
Feb. 5, 1976 1 inch
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/22/MNB81HS40O.DTL#ixzz1Ev56ihmd

JEM
February 24, 2011 3:00 pm

Nah, it’s gonna be Gleick or one of the other, uh, geniuses who blog on the SFGate site.
REPLY: I thought about adding Gleick, but he’s such small potatoes I didn’t think anybody would know who he was – Anthony

Al Gored
February 24, 2011 3:09 pm

I tried to vote – for ‘other’ – but the wheel just kept spinning round and round and my vote did not appear to go through. Is there a glitch or is it just me?

February 24, 2011 3:10 pm

How about Global Weirding? That just about covers anything that could possibly happen.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/02/17/global-warming-hysteria-change-the-soundbite-call-it-global-weirding/

Pat Heuvel
February 24, 2011 3:17 pm

I would have thought Hansen would have been on the list… he’s my vote.

Ackos
February 24, 2011 3:20 pm

When algore crawls out of his hole and sees snow on his toupee

Latitude
February 24, 2011 3:30 pm

…too late
I just googled San Franciso global warming…
…got too many matches
Fox News
punditpress
co2insanity
etc
Some of them are making fun though………..;-)

Anoneumouse
February 24, 2011 3:38 pm

I would have thought that Gadaffi would be on the list 🙂

LexingtonGreen
February 24, 2011 3:38 pm

I was checking in to see how long it would take to link the colder water killing baby dolphins in the Gulf of Mexico with global warming. Granted colder water as the cause of death has not been linked yet, but just a theory at this point.

Davidg
February 24, 2011 3:42 pm

As one who lived in San Francisco for 30 years, let me correct your terminology, SFO is the airport, which is 13 miles away past Candlestick Park in the town of Millbrae, in San Mateo County. San Francisco’s downtown is another matter entirely, The City has numerous micro-climates that will affect any snowfall. I’ve seen sleet and hail and a few flakes of snow, only I missed the storm by a year. Perhaps Coit Tower will get some, making certain Telegraph Hill pooches I know very happy!

February 24, 2011 3:54 pm

It will be “some other” first… Someone in the paper business. Then Al Gore will run with it!

Janne Pohjala
February 24, 2011 4:03 pm

If it’s cold enough, would San Francisco fog turn to snow when it comes to shore?

Tom Rowan
February 24, 2011 4:17 pm

I bet “other.”
You know Tom Friedman of the NYTs will pipe in first. He will feel vindicated claiming the snow event in San Fran is “weird weather” of which he warned.
Don’t doubt me….

Brent Matich
February 24, 2011 4:17 pm

I don’t know why but I’ll go with Kerry, I think he’s a bit of a dark horse in this race. C’mon Lurch!
Brent in Calgary

It's always Marcia, Marcia
February 24, 2011 4:29 pm

There was a “It’s probably already been done” option in the poll.
😉

It's always Marcia, Marcia
February 24, 2011 4:32 pm

Sonicfrog says:
February 24, 2011 at 3:54 pm
It will be “some other” first… Someone in the paper business. Then Al Gore will run with it!
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I can agree with that. Al Gore doesn’t seem smart enough to imagine reasons why global warming can cause snow in San Francisco. But he will be on his web site as soon as some one else dreams one up.

Staffan Lindström
February 24, 2011 4:36 pm

June 12, 1868 2 inches… must have been the coldest winter Mark Twain experienced: A summer in SF…. Sorry should be January??

H.R.
February 24, 2011 4:38 pm

Who’ll be first? My guess is our very own home-grown R. Gates, but he’ll only be 75% sure. ;o)

MattN
February 24, 2011 4:51 pm

They had snow in SF a few years ago. Maybe 10-12 years ago? My ex-wife has relatives out there. They were extremely excited.

Skeptic
February 24, 2011 4:57 pm

If Al Gore crawls out of his hole and sees snow will he disappear for 6 weeks?

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