NOTE: Many new updates below.
A few people complained that Christopher Monckton’s rebuttal to Professor Abraham was a bit long, and a perhaps a bit hard to read due to it being jam packed with essential points.
I’m advised that a new version exists. Here then below, is a condensed and more tightly formatted version, for easier reading.
Click image below for the PDF file:
John Abraham’s presentation is here:
http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/
(NOTE: He uses Adobe presenter – may not work on all browsers)
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UPDATES:
Jo Nova has a good discussion on the entire issue:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/abraham-surrenders-to-monckton-uni-of-st-thomas-endorses-untruths/
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From comments at ClimateProgress, this email address works for pro and con:
I sent an email in support of John Abraham to St. Thomas University and he responded with a request that indications of support for his efforts to debunk Monckton be sent to Dr Susan Alexander (slalexander@stthomas.edu), who is managing the University’s response to Monckton.
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Whether you are pro or con, there is a signature gathering campaign over at Hot Topic in New Zealand, home of the new ETS tax. It reads like a who’s who of AGW activists.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/support-john-abraham/
Reports are that they won’t take opposing comments. Easy to test.
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Condensed Cream of Monckton Soup.
Funny.
The label should be Cream of Abraham, because that’s what would happen if they met one on one.
The last time Gore saw Monckton the blood drained from his face in sheer terror.
Monckton of Benchley knows his stuff.
He’s a British Lord, you know.
Thanks!
The original rebuttal was indeed quite lenghty and not easy to read.
The truth must come out.
His Lordship makes many good points, as a commoner, I feel priveleged to read the musings of one with such a fine grasp of Science.
I am glad Lord Monckton has engaged in this question, and that he is on our side. Thank you Lord Monckton!
Normally I am not much for lordships, princes, kings and all that, but in this case I can make an exception. hehe.
You impress me. It is nice to see someone with such a memory, and such a clear mind.
I completely understand, why Christopher Monckton felt a need to make an example of a typical reprehensible representative of modern Academia. People like Christopher Monckton make me hope again that not everything is lost yet under the Moon.
And yet… I spent first half of my life battling liars and cockroaches in the former USSR. I would win against any individual liar or cockroach, no sweat. But year after year after year, I was getting more and more convinced that I didn’t want to die in this battle, overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of my enemies.
So. I live in a quiet valley now, in Colorado Rockies. Grass is green, air is fresh, sky is huge. But what is this constant swish and rustle coming from the East Coast and from the Left Coast? I know this sound well! There is no escape from the battle: cockroaches are coming.
The last time Gore saw Monckton the blood drained from his face in sheer terror.
Is that the only thing that drained?
I posted this story in the previous thread on Monckton. I want to post it here because it fits so well with what you said. This is a true story:
The Ambassador to Brittan was sent by George Washington to England. The Brits put a picture of George Washington in the outhouse specifically for his visit. They were all anxious, watching him, waiting for him to retire to the outhouse. He finally did. On returning they said to him, “Did you see George Washington in the outhouse? Isn’t that the right place for him?” He replied, “Why yes, I did see it. And yes it’s the perfect place for it,” an answer which took them aback. He continued, “It’s the right place because there’s nothing like a picture of George Washington for scaring the shit out of a Brit.”
So constipated global warmers—put a picture of Monckton in your bathroom! 😉
rbateman says:
July 14, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Monckton of Benchley knows his stuff.
He’s a British Lord, you know.
Yes, I did know. 🙂
As the man above stated, it’s Abraham who has been creamed.
It’s good to see that Monckton has climbed down.
REPLY: Might want to read it first. Obviously you haven’t -A
Ease up with the Lord worship guys. We have plenty of them over here and they come in good, bad and indifferent flavours, just like anybody else.
There are many reasons to admire Monckton. I like his passion and grasp of the subject and he has all the good qualities of a sceptical Rottweiler. But humility is not one of his string suits. And being a Lord may go down well in the Colonies and abroad, but not something that we regard particularly highly here in Blighty.
Christopher Monckton has far and away dominated debate related to his views about global warming. Maybe his thorough refutation of false allegations and indeed libel are warranted but maybe not. We are dealing with a movement which has lost initiative with no hope lying on the horizon. Nothing, nada, zip. Maybe they are simply pretending they still have the initiative and are hoping we take a defensive stance. We are no longer the underdogs people. We are right to the extent that the global warming promoters were wrong. That position is one that we must own and it is time that we acknowledge that we have sacked the castle and imprisoned the king of this global warming scam. Hell, the Wizards don’t have the luxury of the curtain anymore and are instead heading up investigations of their henchmen. Some may see this as power but it should be made into a parody and ridiculed much like my personal favorite ‘Hide the Decline’ featuring Michael Mann. Love it! I’d love to see a similar parody about the investigations into climategate – bring it.
We need to focus on the GWers losing initiative long ago and dying a slow death ever since. They need proof, and more lies from them to polarize their base should be outed and dealt with in a manner fitting of a petty thief, not a scholar, politician or scientist. We have the ball, it’s time to run with it. I’m not saying that Lord Monckton’s work was anything but fitting but I do believe that timing is a factor here and now we should simply take a higher ground. We have proven them wrong and media connections cannot ‘whitewash’ that fact. We have many credible resources which refute the science and many more which validate suspicions about a political initiative which is promoting a fraud for benefit. This is not some conspiracy, this shit is out in the open and most people know about it. We have a strong wind at out backs… act like it.
Off-topic news snipet:-
UEA jobs losses announced:
Staff at the University of East Anglia fear scores of jobs could be lost as part of a management plan to integrate support services across campus.
Highly-paid managers earning between £50,000 and £70,000 and support staff earning about £40,000 are among those facing the axe, it is understood.
Many more lower-grade staff are also understood to be at risk of redundancy as part of the campus-wide review.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED14%20Jul%202010%2019%3A53%3A52%3A640
Now lets get specific Bob….. well done Lord.
Phil Jones just got a new job…..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/15/uea-hacked-emails-climate-change
Jones, the former head of CRU and scientist at the centre of many of the emails, was appointed last week to the newly-created post of director of research at CRU.
It could go through the editor one more time to weed out extraneous material.
The scope should be harshly narrowed to the salient points, otherwise the argument is begging for dilution. Anything mentioned may be pursued. Keep the focus tightly on your winning points. Hammer them. Permit no distraction from your winning argument.
Meanwhile, I hope the suit is being filed because what’s the point of making much of a tool that is perfect for a particular use if it will never be used?
Steve Milesworthy says:
July 15, 2010 at 12:01 am
It’s good to see that Monckton has climbed down.
REPLY: Might want to read it first. Obviously your haven’t -A
I knew I should have put an irony tag around my message [rolleyes]
REPLY: and he still hasn’t read it…
Don’t worry Steve Milesworthy, I got the joke.
The new version is attributed to Christopher Monckton, but who, in fact, produced it? I find it hard to believe Monckton would refer to himself in the third person as “His Lordship” and “Lord Monckton.”
If someone else produced it, the title usage is nauseating. Who in America gushes over “Lords” and “Ladies?” Not independent thinkers, and certainly not our Founding Fathers. Nancy Reagan refused to curtsy before the Queen of England, though many social climbers curtsied, bowed, and groveled before her and her hideous daughter when they visited the U.S. on different occasions. Here in Tampa, where both visited, the pseudo socialites couldn’t kiss ass enough, and made absolute fools of themselves.
Celebrity “news” programs routinely refer to “Sir Paul McCartney” and “Sir Elton John,” but does anybody who isn’t trying to ingratiate himself or herself with these characters do so?
The man’s name is Christopher Monckton, not Lord Monckton, not Viscount Monckton. Titles are not names, and should not be treated as such. Inherited titles in particular are meaningless. They tell us nothing about the holders other than that they inherited titles.
Mr. Monckton has been heavily criticized, deservedly or otherwise, for his egotistical use of titles. However, for others to use them to this obsequious level is really off-putting.
I wish Mr. Monckton all the best, and I believe, if he sues, he will easily win. But, can everyone else stop with the “Lord” stuff, please? It isn’t becoming, especially of U.S. citizens, who supposedly rejected such servile behavior more than two hundred years ago.
I think that the point is that the Brits believe that breeding is important.
I believe that Lord Monckton numbers Henry VII amongst his ancestors. Henry VII was the last British monarch to win his crown on the field of battle – killing Richard III at Bosworth Field in 1485. It would be nice to see a re-run of history….
My impression is that Professor Abraham, perhaps taking his cue from the blogosphere, thought that Lord Monckton was an easy target — a bit of a joke.
I think that was a mistake.
Grr! Condensed! and after I had just spent a considerable part of the day reading the full version!
When is C.M. expecting an answer?
What’s new in this PDF are a 2-page Table of Contents and a 11-page Foreword. The Foreword, written by the Science and Public Policy Institute, summarizes the 84 pages that follow, which is identical to Monckton’s original paper. I hope the material in Anthony’s lead-in can be revised to incorporate this fact.
“Steve Milesworthy says:
July 15, 2010 at 12:01 am
It’s good to see that Monckton has climbed down.”
Is the weather nice on your planet? The good Viscount has “PWND” John Abraham and yet has hardly even got started yet.
How can you possibly still believe in Abraham when it has been very clearly demonstrated how and where Abraham had made hundreds of blatant errors in his rebuttal of Monckton?
You clearly have never seen the original full Monckton video presentation complete with slides, neither have you read the exhaustive list of inaccuracies, errors, falsehoods and lies which have been exposed in Abraham’s rebuttal.
The Good viscount’s original presentation stands as correct. Abraham stands without honour or truth or credibility.
” Steve Milesworthy says:
July 15, 2010 at 12:45 am
Steve Milesworthy says:
July 15, 2010 at 12:01 am
It’s good to see that Monckton has climbed down.
REPLY: Might want to read it first. Obviously your haven’t -A
I knew I should have put an irony tag around my message [rolleyes]”
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My deepest apologies for missing your irony!