By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP)
Excerpts below.
UNITED NATIONS — Just weeks before an international conference on climate change, the United Nations signaled it was scaling back expectations of reaching agreement on a new treaty to slow global warming.
Janos Pasztor, director of the secretary-general’s Climate Change Support Team, said Monday “it’s hard to say how far the conference will be able to go” because the U.S. Congress has not agreed on a climate bill, and industrialized nations have not agreed on targets to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions or funding to help developing countries limit their discharges.
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has made a new climate treaty his top priority, hosting a Sept. 22 summit on climate change to spur political support and traveling extensively to build political momentum for a global agreement to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol which only requires 37 industrialized nations to cut emissions.
Pasztor told a news conference “there is tremendous activity by governments in capitals and internationally to shape the outcome” of the climate change conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, in early December, which “is a good development” because political leadership is essential to make a deal.
But he indicated that Copenhagen most likely won’t produce a treaty, but instead will push governments as far as they can go on the content of an agreement.
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I wonder if the Mockton talks have riled the Copenhagen love in somewhat. I see The Australian newspaper has finally picked up on the New World Government concept in a blog (albeit from a very right-wing blogger – Janet Albrechtsen):
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/index.php/theaustralian/comments/beware_the_uns_copenhagen_plot/
Seems like a ‘bully boy’ tactic to get the US to ‘join the program’
Forget the fact that it’s the Senate in the way, lobby your representatives to STOP this madness..
DaveE.
Drats, one-world government deferred again.
Summer time in the northern hemisphere it´s a better time, so it will be surely postpone….however by then, the number of “non progressive” governments are expected to increase as it is happening in europe.
In Japan only one mainstream newspaper did a top-page article on Saturday, 24 Oct about the uncertainty and possible collapse of Copenhagen. However, no follow-up until today, and no coverage whatsoever by other media. Strange but sort of hilarious……
It’s U.N.-dead, Jim.
No mention of the memorandum of understanding made last week between China and India which has agreed to go their own way. Basically agreeing to limiting their emissions based on a per head figure to less than developed countries. Because of their huge populations this is easy.
Then according to reports in the Guardian U.K. – China and India have called for rich countries to hand over 1% of their GDP.
Les Francis (18:49:32) :
…….called for rich countries to hand over 1% of their GDP.
Oh crazy. For my country the “1%” amounts to $50 billion!
Les Francis (18:49:32) :
“Then according to reports in the Guardian U.K. – China and India have called for rich countries to hand over 1% of their GDP.”
When you consider that China makes much of what the ‘rich’ countries buy and India has some of the richest businessmen in the world that idea souonds, er, a bit rich.
Will they hand it back in 20 years time when the wealth position is reversed?
More specifically on Copenhagen I read that this Jamboree is likely to involve 20,000 delegates.
20,000 delegates? In Denmark – not exactly the cheapest place in the world.
Exactly what are they all going to be doing and why do they have to be there?
Now that the UN sees no real prospect of a ‘deal’ will the plans be scaled back?
This is insanity on a larcenous scale. Even the most sheeplike follower would surely see basic folly of all this jollyiing and grandstanding.
Do not let your guard down on this, they are doing this as a distraction, to make us let up on our attack. Even if it is a watered down form of Global Government, it is still a form of Global Government. Then once in place they can ramp it up slowly, like the perverbial pot of water which eventually boils the frog.
Bulldust, it may be time to review your categorisation of people who speak out against world government.
To do so, as the columnist does, is not “right wing”. She is simply making a statement against forced totalitarianism. Now if she was in favour of dictatorship by unelected UN bureaucrats you may have a point…
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Okay, I would certainly say this is in the vein of ‘managing expectations’; don’t expect it to necessarily be a ‘bust’ … other posters seem to have the same/a similar interpretation.
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yes but will they form a new global non-elected government?
From Ban Ki-moon in the NYT
“A deal must include an equitable global governance structure.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26iht-edban.html?_r=3
elmer (19:16:28) :
Do not let your guard down on this, they are doing this as a distraction, to make us let up on our attack.
Agree 100%. I’m not falling for this, either.
Ayrdale (19:18:52) :
I am left of centre in a global political sense. I only mentioned the point because Janet Albrechtsen (JA) is unashamedly right-wing and usually cops a lot of blog flak (blak?) for it. It would have been better had a more centrist person been putting forward the topic (like George Mega), but at least it is out in the mainstream now… and that is what matters most.
Ironically (as I pointed out in my first response to the blog) I am usually diametrically opposed to JA on most of her blogs, but this one time she finds me on her side. Thankfully she kept the use of adjectives to a minimum too – quite controlled by her standards.
I have never felt this was a right-wing & left-wing issue… it is a centrist government versus state autonomy issue… at least in the way the UN is trying to assert itself over individual nations. But then there are plenty of precedents for that kind of behaviour when one looks at the oft dubious roles played by bodies like the IMF.
Also, I have no problem with the UN developing a treaty to help the poorer nations of the world… just a major issue with them using the AGW mumbo-jumbo to sell it.
It’s dead. Of course, vigilance is constantly required, but it had to be done by this December, and Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have blown it. They got too caught up in this health care fiasco and they never got around to climate change, and now it’s too late. Why too late? Because poll numbers are down, the Republicans are looking to do well in the few races being held within the next week, and the Holiday (Festivus?) break is almost upon the Congress, and they don’t postpone their holidays for anyone or anything. There is no time left to get a cap and trade bill passed.
And next year is too late. Why say that? Because Spring kicks off next year’s election season, and anyone in a swing district is going to be terrified of passing a new restrictive and expensive bill in an election year. It cannot pass in 2010 – too risky for the incumbents.
And then after the election, the next Congress is going to be significantly more conservative than this one, and so the chances of that Congress passing anything are pretty much nil. And with nothing out of the US Congress, nothing will come of any international confabs. Just a lot of beer and wine drunk and a lot of schnitzel eaten.
And we haven’t even talked about the demoralizing (for the warmists) effect of the world continuing to cool, rather that heat up. This winter looks like it’s gonna be a doozy, and I’d lay odds on several very cold winters in a row.
The danger is past. Climate Audit must be livid.
Lol, I didn’t mean to implicate Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit. I meant to say Real Climate. I’ve read McIntyre enough that he’s wormed his way into my brane.
The Arctic sea ice can’t make up its mind how to go ahead?
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Having gone down the “let’s reduce emissions” path in Kyoto and failed miserably it would be surprising to find the same approach at the fore of the Copenhagen circus. Of course the self-importance of those involved does not allow them to admit failure, but failure it has most certainly been. The same self-importance does not allow them to abandon emissions targets completely, so they will shout platitudes to provide historical consistency before turning their attention to (what I perceive to be) their main goal; namely the forced redistribution of wealth in the belief that this will provide a long-term solution to the discomforts of life in the third world.
In this respect the switch of terminology from “man-made global warming” to “climate change” is highly significant. Until recently the emphasis was on the naughty industrialised countries causing problems for the third world by releasing wicked Chicken-Licken gases which will drown all those living currently with too little water and dessicate those currently suffering with too much. Now the emphasis is being reversed.
The fact that the climate changes and might have adverse effects on some poorer countries is brought to the fore. We are told it’s a disaster waiting to happen, millions of babies will die, fluffy animals will be defluffed. And, here’s the clever bit, if the climate changes these nasty consequences will follow whether or not the west has had any causative influence at all. None of us wants babies to die or animals to lose their fluff, so we must act and act now. The need to act is overtaking the alleged cause of climatic changes as the primary consideration for supra-national do-gooders.
In the real world, by which I mean the world as it is rather than as so-called “progressives” think it is, there is only one way to increase the comfort of life and that is to follow the path that has given us comfort in the west. Industrialisation is the only certain cure to poverty and ill-health, it is not the cause. Indeed, even if the Apocalyptic Chicken-Licken theory is correct, industrialisation is the only way of providing increased resistance to the onslaught of wind, rain, fire, pestilence and plagues of frogs.
DaveE (18:11:14) :
Forget the fact that it’s the Senate in the way
The idea of scrapping the Constitution still will not fly with most Americans. It’s not the Senate in the way. It’s the American people.
I get the impression that Obama is changing his song on Copenhagen and other things because he is starting to campaign for 2012.
tokyoboy (20:10:10) :
The Arctic sea ice can’t make up its mind how to go ahead?
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
There’s something funny about that plot. If you download the data, you can directly compare the numbers for 10/27/2007, 10/27/2008 & 10/27/2009 which are, respectively:
7,271,719
8,436,094 and
7,736,563
2009 is closer to 2007 than to 2008 but not by a lot. But the plot makes it look like 2009 is almost tied with 2007 and nowhere near 2008.
WUWT?
Global warming alarmism may be dead but there’s an awful lot of mess to clear up.
The ‘scientists’ who used the public’s respect for science to ‘twist’ data and push their agenda must be exposed by Science and some sort of deal made with the public to stop peer-reviewing cartels.
A massive public education is needed into the realities of power generation particularly in a cooling world.
Agriculture will be hit by shorter growing seasons and innovation will be required there, maybe using the warm, damp CO2 laden gases from coal power to boost agricultural production, maybe genetically engineering frost/cold resistance?
Clinton shafted the dollar and the euro has shafted European economies, so all this must be achieved against a backdrop of mountainous debt.
The flower-power intellectuals have been exposed for the children they are and we badly need economic realism in the corridors of power.
I get the impression that Obama likes power too much to cede any to the UN.He would be happy to use them to achieve his aims though.I hope I am totally wrong,but that’s my opinion of him.
elmer (19:16:28) :
Do not let your guard down on this,
Come on elmer, relax. It’s probably because the earth is cooling and public opinion is going against global warming that this is happening. Nature is kicking global warming’s butt. So, I’m going for a cheeseburger and a beer!
I’m feeling warm and fuzzy about this news!
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I love the smell of Copenhagen “scaling back expectations” in the morning. It smells like VICTORY!