Climate Craziness of the Week #2: Steak Watch

Last week we had a people in New Zealand saying we need edible pets. This week we have England’s “premier climatologist” saying we need to give up meat.  You first, me Lord. However, this sort of tactic risks marginalization of his cause. Poll numbers are already falling. What’s really needed here is “steak watch”. Since as we’ve seen with many prominent people who give worldly advice, they often don’t follow it, we need some British paparazzi at restaurants and public banquets to see if  Lord Stern follows his own advice. When in Japan, maybe someone can offer him the new Windows 7 Whopper to try. Why no “OSX Snow Leopard” Burger? – Anthony

From the London Times: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet

A cow

by Robin Pagnamenta, Energy Editor
People will need to turn vegetarian if the world is to conquer climate change, according to a leading authority on global warming.

In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said: “Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet is better.”

Direct emissions of methane from cows and pigs is a significant source of greenhouse gases. Methane is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas.

Lord Stern, the author of the influential 2006 Stern Review on the cost of tackling global warming, said that a successful deal at the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December would lead to soaring costs for meat and other foods that generate large quantities of greenhouse gases.

He predicted that people’s attitudes would evolve until meat eating became unacceptable. “I think it’s important that people think about what they are doing and that includes what they are eating,” he said. “I am 61 now and attitudes towards drinking and driving have changed radically since I was a student. People change their notion of what is responsible. They will increasingly ask about the carbon content of their food.”

Lord Stern, a former chief economist of the World Bank and now I. G. Patel Professor of Economics at the London School of Economics, warned that British taxpayers would need to contribute about £3 billion a year by 2015 to help poor countries to cope with the inevitable impact of climate change.

He also issued a clear message to President Obama that he must attend the meeting in Copenhagen in person in order for an effective deal to be reached. US leadership, he said, was “desperately needed” to secure a deal.

Read the rest of the article at the London Times: Climate chief Lord Stern: give up meat to save the planet

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Vincent

“They [young people] will increasingly ask about the carbon content of their food.”
Well, last time I checked, your Lordship, all food can be reduced to amino acids, fatty acids and carbohydrates, all of which contain molecules of carbon in some form. In that case, if you think you can eat without consuming carbon, lots of luck.

On the outrageous scale this hits a perfect 10 out of 10.
Give the man a prize…
Step right up, tell what you really intend to do — if you get the power.

Jon

It would cut the cost of health care quite a bit though 🙂

Perry

Posted at Science Museum “Prove It” site.
The planet is cooling, not warming. CO2 is not a pollutant. Carbon trading is a tax. In two years, AGW will be acknowledged as a delusion and its supporters will be vilified, if they are lucky. The climate always changes. It’s historical!
http://www.nothingtodowithco2.com/pdf/AGW_presentation_ILMCD.pdf
http://www.climateaudit.org/
As for that loony Lord Stern of Brentford, he’s well past his sell by date.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/27/climate-craziness-of-the-week-2-steak-watch/
Read on.
http://www.climatedepot.com/
http://climaterealists.com/index.php
http://iceagenow.com/
BTW, On Friday The Englishman noted that voting was about four to one against. Derek Reynolds in correspondence noted that by Sunday morning it was approaching six to one against, which corresponds to your bending author’s recollection. Quite suddenly the votes have become almost even. Far be it for us to suggest that there is anything of an ichthyoid malodour about this, or that it is in any way comparable to any recent election in an Islamic republic, but Sunday night is a very unusual time for such intense activity on the internet. If such movement occurred in a publicly quoted share price the regulatory authorities would be sniffing around in no uncertain manner.
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2009%20October.htm#odd
As I asserted, you warmists are on a hiding to nothing.

To restore your faith in the sanity of the human race, go to the Times web page and look at the comments – 631 comments last time I looked. Some of them are quite amusing. Click on ‘most recommended’ to get the best ones.
His learned lordship was on the radio this morning, falsely claiming that the number of ‘deniers’ was decreasing, even though the interviewer had earlier referred to the latest poll showing increasing disbelief.

Rick, michigan

But aren’t we supposed to be eating our pets?
Doesn’t this guy realize that our pets are made of meat?

Leon Brozyna

Lord Stern a climatologist? I think not — and probably not all that hot as an economist either.
As for his prescription regarding meat consumption, I wouldn’t be surprised if, in his mind, it is more like, “Meat is bad for ye and thee, but not for me.”

Gary

Little meat is eaten in India (a former colony of yours Lord Stern) and many cattle roam the country side. Will India be exempt from your scheme?
FWIW, World Bank policies (bad loans to dictators, raising taxes to repay the loans and thus preventing the poor from raising any capital to start businesses and improve their lives) derived in part no doubt from Lord Stern’s economic advice have demonstrably hurt third world countries. What gives him any credibility to promote more disaster?
FWIW-2, there actually may be problems from deforestation to create pastureland and feedlot pollution that should be addressed.

Vincent

Apparently, his Lordship is not a strict vegetarian.
Reporter: I understand your Lordship is a vegetarian.
His Lordship: Indeed I am.
Reporter: Could you give us some food tips, I mean how does being on a vegetarian diet work?
His Lordship: Certainly, suppose you were to have a nice sirloin steak.
Reporter: Yes?
His Lordship: You select a sample from the vegetable kingdon. I’m a parsely man myself.
Reporter: Yes:
His Lordship: And you lay the sprig of parsley on the steak.
Reporter: I see. What else can you do?
His Lordship: Say I’m having a nice roast grouse.
Reporter: Grouse is nice.
His Lordship: Well, prepare your grouse, and add a sprig of parsely.
Reporter: Go on.
His Lordship: Venison. . .
Reporter: You add a sprig of parsely?
His Lordship: That’s it exactly.
Reporter: I can’t wait to try it.

Pieter F

At the Society for Marine Mammalogy Conference earlier this month in Quebec, a paper was presented posing the question: Are [large] whales a net sink or source of carbon dioxide? The paper was complete with photos of farting whales and what happens to the carcasses. The conclusion was that whales are indeed a net sink for carbon. We would assume, then, that Lord Stern of Brentford should at once work to stop the Japanese whale hunt and other whale and dolphin kills in Norway, Iceland, and elsewhere. After stopping the hunts of wild “ocean bison,” he could then shift to the domesticated terrestrial bovines.

Back2Bat

Brilliant! Hypocrisy is surely an Achilles heel of tyrants.

Sean

Let’s see, eating meat wastes water food resources. But in the NY Times, its found so does solar energy generation:
http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/27/water-use-by-solar-projects-intensifies/
And don’t get me started on food to fuel bio-fuels but even the second generation biofuels from cellulosic stock doesn’t look so good:
http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2009/10/biofuel_woes_1.html
So going green is only supposed to cost a postage stamp a day but in the name of green I should:
1. Have fewer kids
2. Eat no meat
3. Use less toilet paper (preferably in a waterless toilet)
4. Live in a different house
5. Stop driving a take public transportation
6. Limit my flying (unless I’m on an eco-pilgrimage)
7. Send any energy intensive jobs to developing countries so they can use their quota of greenhouse gases to prosper.
Sounds like the good old days, well the olden days at least.

OceanTwo

“He also issued a clear message to President Obama that he must attend the meeting in Copenhagen in person in order for an effective deal to be reached. US leadership, he said, was “desperately needed” to secure a deal.”
Why? Once again, the only reason Obama needs to attend, or more specifically, for the US to agree to an outrageous treaty, is so that money can be transferred through a special-interest filtration system (SIFS: aka. Government).
If this actually had anything to do with reduction of ‘pollutants’, every committed sovereign nation can do whatever is needed today. That is, why cannot Britain ‘take the lead’ and show us how successful Co2 reduction policies and technological instruments can make everyone’s life better.
Is there anywhere in the world that has achieved, or is on the way to achieving CO2 reduction goals? If not, why not? If so, then please show us how it’s done, the investment curve, the desired result and the actual result.

Marc
DaveE

I liked the comment on the Times…
Don’t think of it as meat,
think of it as recycled grass.
DaveE.

Joel

It almost sounds like something The Onion would publish.

Back2Bat

Perry (09:55:31) :
“As I asserted, you warmists are on a hiding to nothing.”
‘ “On a hiding to nothing”
Meaning
To be faced with a situation which is pointless, as a successful outcome is impossible. This is usually expressed in terms of a sporting contest in which one of two outcomes is foreseen, either a hiding or nothing. ‘ from http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/on-a-hiding-to-nothing.html

Stefan

I avoided meat for 20 years and ate mostly bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, veggies, and cake. With a growing waistline and low energy levels, I opted to try a low carb diet of mostly meat, fish, and veggies; I’ve never felt better.
Lord Stern is not only not a climatologist, he is also not a nutritionist. Funny how those two fields seem to have a lot in common!
There’s a real issue here about whether meat is man’s natural diet, and as such, how should we balance the health of our species against that of other species on the planet?

Richard Briscoe

One point to note.
As you indicate a little way into the article, Lord Stern is not “England’s premier climatologist”, nor indeed any kind of climatologist. He’s an economist.
Rather reminds me of the old joke.
A surgeon, and architect and an economist were travelling together, and fell to discussing which of them had the oldest profession.
The surgeon says “I think I can claim priority there. If you refer to the book of Genesis, it tells how God took one of Adam’s ribs to create Eve. So God was in fact the first surgeon.”
Then the architect says “Ah, but before he did that he created the heaven and the earth from chaos. That was the work of an architect.”
And the economist says “And who created chaos ?”

Really GORIC !!
Entry Word: gore
Function: verb
Meaning: to penetrate or hold (something) with a pointed object running with the bulls in Pamplona, Spain, may sound like fun, but the bulls have been known to gore runners who get too close

http://www.aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/thesaurus/gore

AnonyMoose

Cattle are a machine to convert inedible plants into edible meat. Cattle would have to be replaced with more farmland, more oil-burning tractors, and more chemical fertilizer. I don’t think that is what he wanted.

Robert Wood

Steak for me but not for you, peasants.

Barry Foster

People DO need to give up meat, but not because of any climate nonsense, but because of the land and resources required to provide for animals. If everyone went veggie then there would be MUCH more land available and much less use of resources like water and energy. In the future everyone WILL be almost vegetarian. Meat will be an expensive luxury. Admittedly that time is quite a way off, but it WILL come.

This have been obviously written by vegetarians, but….consider this:
-Leaves are green
-Green is chlorophyl
-Chlorophyl is made from CO2 + water + Sun
-No CO2 = No Chlorophyl = No Green = No Leaves = No Vegetarian Lord.
-May your Lordship rest in green-peace.

AnonyMoose

Interesting. The Science Museum’s “Prove It” poll now has a ratio of 3 to 10.
To be more precise:

* 3 counted in so far
* 10 counted out so far

Fred from Canuckistan . . .

All this twaddle talk about saving the planet by eating my dog or whatever has made me hungry.
Time to go to my local and excellent Steak House and get the Keg Size Prime Rib Dinner.
Rare, a little bit of outside cut for the flavor, lots of horseradish.

Phillip Bratby

Lord Stern is described by the Times as “a leading authority on global warming”. Yet another falsehood. He’s just an economist, and from looking at the Stern Report, a poor economist to boot.

Mike Nicholson

Whoops ! Hands Up ! I’m afraid that I’m the one that’s responsible for global warming !! Not only do I drive a 4×4 SUV, and an Aston Martin, I own three dogs, and I’m also an ardent meat eater !!
Where do I hand myself in??

Turning people into sheep gets a new meaning now. Be-e-e–ee-e!
One thing is true, there is a huge reserve in agricultural land since meat production requires a lot more water and area than for example beans. Thats why I do not buy the lack-of-food-because-overpopulation scare; we can always eat a bit less meat and get plenty of beans instead. More, we will fart more greenhouse gases!

rbateman

I know we used to have to give up meat on Fridays, but this is ridiculous.
Dictated diet anyone?
My boss had a name for this type of thinking: He called it “Tired of Living”.

JT

Which creates more methane.
70 million cattle or 70 million buffalo? There were up to 70 million buffalo 200 years ago in the US.
How did their methane affect the climate?

paulo arruda

cow on my farm consumes 30 kg of grass per day or 11,000 kg per year. Does anyone know how much it is in carbon?

Jim B in Canada

Hey speaking of crazies with agendas, the science museum reset the opt out count!
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
Did anyone get a screen of the count before the reset?

Tom in Florida

Just wondering how many world class atheletes are true vegetarians.

Robert Wood

Stefan, Of course meat is mans natural diet. We were eating before we grew crops.

Kojiro Vance

Let me be the first to say it:
“Global warming, all sizzle – no steak.”

Curiousgeorge

You can have my T-Bone when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. 😆

Stefan

Barry Foster,
what if meat is our natural diet? Besides, according to some schools of thought, even agriculture itself is unsustainable due to the heavy burden it places on the soil. If you take a long view, the human species has only been using agriculture for 10,000 years, and that is what allowed our numbers to start growing beyond what nature could sustain through simple hunter gathering. What did hunters eat? Meat. It was grains that allowed us to cheat the system, and now people are advocating we rely even more on grains?
Consider, all that cereal, bread, pasta, and rice, can be substituted comfortably for one good portion of meat a day. If you go on a meat-only diet you’ll be surprised how little you can eat without feeling hungry nor getting ill. Carby rich cereals actually increase appetite. If you don’t believe me, please try it sometime.

Jason

“Why no “OSX Snow Leopard” Burger? – Anthony”
Maybe they tried, but 10.6 patties just didn’t work out so well.

Alan the Brit

As many have already pointed, this twit Stern, (an economist)I will not dignify him with his title, is not a “Climate Chief” any more than Dr Rajendra Puchauri (PhD in Production Engineering & Economics) as head of the Idiotic Panel on Climate Change! How do we know this guy is any good in the first place. The rule used to be if you were crap at something, promote them up to where they can do little harm! As I have said before, this is just marxist socialist intellectual elitism, DAISNAID! (Do as I say not as I do)! What is the upshot of all this AGW clap-trap, food will cost more, the wealthy MSIEs will be the few who can afford it, whilst we plebs will rot on whatever fungus they feed us on! Mushroom syndrome me thinks! Kept in the dark & fed………….Bad Science!

Have to laugh at the scientific illiteracy of asking about the carbon content of food. Might as well worry about the hydrogen content of the water we drink. Well, I suppose this is what you get when you go round introducing a political economist as a climate expert.
Incidentally, I’ve been trying the Count Me Out option on the Science (ha!) Museum poll for several days and so far yet to receive the email necessary to confirm the vote, and I notice it’s crept up from overwhelmingly Count Out to something around 60:40. Of course, Big Eco is so reliable and trustworthy when it comes to disclosure and data sharing that I’m sure I can trust that nothing dodgy is going on with the poll…. right?

Mark

It’s funny how most of the ‘solutions’ to global warming are things liberals have wanted for a long time.

Stoic

Forgive the O/T but the corrupted UK Science Museum climate change poll was reset to zero at about 17.15 GMT today – 45 minutes ago. this time you have to click on a link to have your vote validated. Has Lihard or anybody else views on whether this poll has integrity? Current score 4 counted in 31 counted out.
A reminder the link is http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
Regards
S

John in NZ

Meat is a byproduct. You cannot produce milk cheese or eggs without producing meat.

Zeke

“Lord Stern, the author of the influential 2006 Stern Review on the cost of tackling global warming, said that a successful deal at the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December would lead to soaring costs for meat and other foods that generate large quantities of greenhouse gases.”

Kevin Schurig

The only time I am concerned about the carbon content of my steak is when the cook burns it. At most there should only be a slight searing where the meat met the grille, but never, never, never should the whole meat look like charcoal.
“US leadership, he said, was “desperately needed” to secure a deal.” In other words, bring your nation’s VISA, MASTERCARD, and AMEX and leave it with us.

hunter

AGW hype is the equivalent of somber discussions about angels dancing on pin heads.

John Lish

Can we stop calling Lord Stern an economist please. His career and title stems from his contribution to banking. He is a banker – cockney rhyming slang may be inferred…

KBK

@AnonyMoose
What’s going on? The count was 5000 – 10,000 votes last time I looked, the great majority against. Then we had the shenanigans where the score suddenly became nearly equal Sunday night. Now there’s only 43 votes: 4 in, 39 out.
Apparently they reset the totals? “It’s data, you know what to do with that.”
Reply: They have apparently started over with a double opt in security to confirm votes. They got a programming to make it work. Time to vote for real everybody. ~ ctm

Evan Jones

It’s funny how most of the ’solutions’ to global warming are things liberals have wanted for a long time.
That has not gone unnoticed. Like a continual tapping, all in the same place.