Power demands are going to be disruptive. But that’s self-limiting.
AI (whatever you think the term means) is going to bring about an economic catastrophe, but not for the reasons most people seem to think. Misallocation of capital and borrowing power, and premature work-force shedding will be brutal. The problem isn’t AI’s “intelligence” or its energy demands. The problem is the stupid decisions that will be made in the over-confident expectation AI is the answer. (Kind like the damage from over-confident expectation in Net Zero.)
Maybe once the euphoria blows off in a decade or two we will be left with a glowing remnant that will do useful things, but it won’t solve our problems for us. We’ll get general AI about the time we get economically viable fusion power—long after we’re all dead.
From what I have seen from current AI is that it is unable to assess risk or apply judgement to contrary results. In essence, it gives ambiguous answers to questions. I have yet to see one simply say “I don’t know”. That should give everyone pause in considering AI’s ability to solve problems. I fully expect your intuition is on target.
Young folks are going to have to learn that AI makes good agents for research but not so good in making holistic decisions on complex problems and situations. Wisdom comes from experience over time. Expertise is learned not given to you.
I am not sure about this. I used to think there was a clear distinction between machine learning and LLM type AI. Machine learning being the kind of thing that led Alpha Zero to learn and beat human and machine champions at Go and Chess. LLMs that were just search engines with sauce.
I’m no longer sure this is a useful distinction. The future is probably services that are indistinguishably combining the functions. Its already possible to argue with your conclusion that “it is unable to assess risk or apply judgement to contrary results”. I suspect that in five years from now this will not be a tenable position.
Also that in five years time it will be impossible to tell if you are talking to a machine or a person. Except for the speed and accuracy of the response. And the patience!
Hopefully AI will point out that this claim is false. Existing data centers process the Internet not AI. In the U.S. the AI growth is a modest 6,000 MW a year compared to peak national demand around 750,000 MW. The supposed enormous demand is just AI hype. https://www.cfact.org/2026/04/17/the-data-center-energy-threat-is-way-overblown/
Yes, the Democrats want to pretend that AI is causing electricity prices to increase, in an effort to deflect blame from the real culprits of higher electricity prices: Windmills and Solar on the grid.
I was informed about 30 years ago that bolding and caps were similar to shouting at a person in their living room. Doing so gave reason to those gathered to question the state of you marbles.
I looked at the MetO site and it says Kew is class 2.
The Met Office explains how WMO siting classes (1–5) are applied to UK stations, but does not publish a list of individual station classifications. The page describes the classification system but gives no station‑specific ratings, including Kew Gardens. The grading was obtained via FOI.
It has a building around 15m away and the A307 20m. Tree shade seems to be a factor as well. To me it falls into Class4 but would like someone more expert to run their eye over it and give their assessment!
Kew Gardens 51.48, -0.29
You might not like the hype and climate change assertions, who does on this site, but making up a false narrative, counter to actual fact, is silly.
In England, March and April were both exceptionally warm. The first 3 weeks of May were slightly chilly until the heatwave made the month warm on average.
It was another top 10, probably top 5 warmest springs on record for England, the majority of the top 10 are now post 2000.
It was an exceptional heatwave (in the affected areas, not the whole UK obviously) by even summer standards.
Kew and Heathrow readings may over-egg the peak heat, but the heat was real with stations all over the shop easily exceeding 30C and breaking dozens of records.
It was not even confined to England, with 4 or 5 European nations breaking all time May records and 100s of station records falling.
You describe the weather Mr Tom
Not the underlying climate.
As in the energy in the system.
That is where CO2 comes in.
And not the synoptic situation over the period.
FYI: All hetawaves are caused by such.
Except they form under a ridge of warm air aloft that has been advected up from the south, the fiercest of which draw up Saharan air.
That happened this time and it was also the case in 1947, and I showed in a previous thread that the Saharan air was hotter this time (by ~ 2C) at the 850mb level (which is where a DALR would descend from in peak insolation).
The Extra surface heat was an addition from the advected air above that that occured in 1947.
Richards and Homewood can provide fodder for denial all he likes to the converted.
But looking at the met data tells the real story.
God forbid anyone do that on here from the science side!
Yeah, I was under the impression that the “official” definition of climate was the average of observed weather conditions over a 30-year period.
But now what professor Banton seems to be suggesting is that climates are fixed-piece conditions that pull the strings to create weather events from time to time.
Will somebody please nudge me when this whole sitcom is done.
(I mean, it’s never going to be another M.A.S.H. is it?)
“Yeah, I was under the impression that the “official” definition of climate was the average of observed weather conditions over a 30-year period.“
It is.
Where did I say it wasn’t?
It’s really quite simple:
I replied to a post that *implied* that the heatwave was merely a function of the current weather situation.
And correctly said that of course it was but that the weather situation in 1947 had less *energy* within it as the advected Saharan air was inherently 2C warmer this May than it was back in 1947.
It’s called meteorological analysis from data.
Thanks for your typical denialist handwavium ad hom.
The average temperatures for the respective heatwaves of 1922, 1944, 1947 & 2026 belie this analysis. Of more significance is the lack of rainfall this year compared to the past.
This has been the coldest spring that I can remember in Glasgow. I have kept records of the amount of gas that I have used and this spring is the highest amount in the last 20 years which is how long that I have been keeping records. All of my plants in my garden are at least one month behind the norm. I planted grass seed in my front lawn and it was May before it germinated. If the Met Office says otherwise, they are lying their heads off.
Here in France there has also been a lot of media agitation about all of the “May records” that have been broken over the last week or so, especially in the west of France, and that the “national average” (monthly / May) record has also fallen.
The record for Paris (Parc Montsouris weather station), however, is still intact.
In 1947 the “heatwave” that peaked at 35°C on the 3rd of June was followed by the series of waves of hotter-and-hotter heating (each lasting 5 to 15 days, ending in 0.5 to 2 days of thunderstorms) that constitute “a typical Parisian summer”, culminating in a “Hottest EVAH !” Tmax record for Paris — of 40.4°C on the 18th of July that stood for 72 years (until 25/7/2019, when the current record of 42.6°C was set).
There was even a bonus “indian summer” episode in the middle of September.
In 1944, however, the “May heatwave” turned out to have the highest Tmax value for Paris for the entire summer (when Paris was otherwise “occupied” having an uprising and being liberated by Philippe Leclerc’s “deuxieme DB”), with only a couple of days in August managing to regain the 32°C level (compared to 34.8°C in May).
In 1922 it was even … “worse” (?), with the 34.8°C (again) peak in May being followed by a 30.5°C spike on the 1st of June and a 29.5°C spike on the 21st of July.
Question : Will the summer of 2026 “echo” that of 1947 for Paris, or will it be more like the summers of 1922 and 1944 ?
Answer : We do not know, we will just have to wait and see.
This is why Tmax and Tmin are destined to end up in the garbage dump. They tell you nothing about what occurs in between. We have automated stations with 1, 2, 5, 60 minute data. At some point, temperatures summed over a 24 hour period and normalized to a common factor like percent will be the norm. Hot days will have a large number of hot temps and a large sum. Nice days will have a balance of warm and cool temps over 24 hours and will have a medium sum. Cold days a low sum.
Sitting here with a $150 mini-pc using an n150 processor with python scripts, I can download 20 years of USCRN 5 minute data for a station and have a graph on my screen in about 3 minutes. If I stored the files locally and used a compiled program it would be even quicker.
The only problem is the data quality checking and handling missing data algorithms I have devised aren’t satisfactory, but that will come.
Jim,
The stats program SAS JMP has wonderful software for doing such checking. It also provides imputed values for missing data.
It is quite an eye opener to easily do simple things like checking a string of daily temperature data to find if the average for one day of the week like Monday is close to the others as expected, or rather different. Getting more complicated, identify how many times a pattern of temperatures over (say) four consecutive days is repeated elsewhere in the data excessively (a cut and paste test). Then on to Monte Carlo simulations of what the data might look like and have similar distributions. Then onto magic stuff like Random Forests …. Geoff S.
We’ve , where, weather, week, worst … Sent me looking for Abbott and Costello’s Who’s on First.
I don’t know {3rd base}, What {2nd base}, Who {1st base}
Actually, I wonder about where “We” are located.
For some time now I have been posting about “dynamic energy conversion within the general circulation” as computed by the ERA5 reanalysis model in the hourly parameter “vertical integral of energy conversion.” It is understood conceptually in classical meteorology.
What is it that drives the atmosphere to maintain its circulation against the dissipation of kinetic energy to heat (internal energy) and the radiative loss to space? Mainly, it is “horizontal heating gradients.” And also the convective response to “the vertical gradient of diabatic heating.”
“1 An overview of the kinetic energy cycle in the atmosphere
Atmospheric fluid motions may be divided into two broad classes, both of which owe their existence to the uneven distribution of diabatic heating in the atmosphere:
1. Motions driven either directly or indirectly by horizontal heating gradients in a stably stratified atmosphere account for more than 98% of the atmospheric kinetic energy. Nearly all this kinetic energy is associated with the synoptic- and planetary-scale horizontal wind field, which has a globally averaged root mean square velocity of about 12-15 m s-1.
2. Motions driven by convective instability account for the remainder of the atmospheric kinetic energy. Convection is continually breaking out within discrete regions of the atmosphere as a consequence of the vertical gradient of diabatic heating.”
So here is the main point for consideration today: Incremental trace IR-active gases CO2, CH4, N2O should slightly improve the IR coupling of the lower atmosphere to the land and ocean surfaces. This makes the atmosphere a bit more responsive to the horizontal heating gradients. Those gradients across latitudes and longitudes during the daily pulses of sunshine can be visualized from space in Band 16 as the surface warms and cools under clear or partly cloudy skies. Logically, it should also promote the vertical heating gradient that drives the onset of convection.
MUST the same incremental IR absorbing power “force” the land and ocean surfaces to come to a perceptibly higher temperature to maintain the overall radiative loss to space? No. Not if it works to promote the kinetic energy cycle of the general circulation, in which dynamic energy conversion massively overwhelms the minor static effect to begin with, as it operates throughout the depth of the troposphere.
David,
If you accept the official story that planet earth has warmed about a degree C in the last century, what would you speculate to be the likely (scientific) mechanism for such a change? I accept that there is an existing system for sending heat to space, but what controls the set point or allows it to change and re-stabilize?
Geoff S
Thanks for your question, Geoff. It seems reasonable to me that the combination of multiple timed dynamic cycles suffices to explain both the longer term trends and the shorter term variations – those cycles originating mainly from orbital and ocean circulation dynamics.
About the constraints on the physical response of the climate system, mainly they would be the melting temperature of ice, the fixed vapor pressure vs temperature characteristics of liquid water, the fixed mass of the non-condensing compressible atmosphere, and the relatively stable irradiance intercepted by the fixed area of the planet facing the sun. The combination imposes a highly self-regulating characteristic on the system, as I would describe it.
The simple reason for the recent warming is less air pollution and reduced cloud cover. NASA satellites have detected a greening of earth’s surfaces due to less clouds and more sunlight reaching the ground.
But Harold,
What decides if more or less cloud over a region is the way to go?
If one part of the control says “Try no cloud for 6 months over California” another part of the control has typically said “No, we will keep some.”
What is the mechanism of such control?
Last month I did a quick study of control theory, set points and feedback for traditional governors on steam engines, then on human body temperatures, then on the global temperature. I could find nothing with useful explanatory value apart from the governor. Our body temperature might have a set points mechanism reported in literature, but if so, I failed to find it. Geoff S
“Greening” is a consequence of photosynthesis, is it not?
Plants primarily absorb light in the 400 to 700 nanometer range, known as Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR), which includes blue and red wavelengths.
Does this reduce the energy to warm the atmosphere?
Of course it does. Photosynthesis converts the energy at those frequencies into chemical energy. It does not radiate as IR. With the advent of increased greening, there is no doubt that some of the insolation is being stored in that fashion.
Elliptical orbit (90 W/m^2 perihelion to aphelion), tilted axis (700 W/m^2 summer to winter) & albedo (100 W/m^2 +/- 10) are the major climate mechanisms.
Even modest changes w these can produce noticeable effects.
The following is something I posted a few years ago on WUWT, updated to reflect current figures.
I invite MyUserName, TheFinalNail, and all the other worriers about the “climate crises” to give me their thoughts on the “climate crises” V the lack of clean water.
This year, hundreds of thousands of children will die from preventable diarrhoeal diseases linked to lack of clean water and poor sanitation – far more than any direct deaths attributed to climate change.
According to the World Health Organization, diarrhoeal disease still kills around 444,000 children under 5 every year. Unsafe drinking water, sanitation and hygiene are major contributing factors.
Climate change doesn’t kill 444,000 children annually.
Yet we take clean water for granted in developed countries. Turn on the tap and instantly there is a flow of clean, parasite-free, we take water for granted.
We are so used to our abundant water, many people turn on the tap to brush our teeth and leave the tap running. We water our gardens, wash our cars, brew beer, and play in our swimming pools without acknowledging this easy access to fresh water is a luxury.
In some parts of the world, safe water is not so easy to access.
The figures make for stark reading.
According to the World Health Organisation:
In 2017 1 in 4 of the global population lack easy access to safe, uncontaminated drinking water. Of these 2.1 billion people, 1,000,000, including 444,000 children under 5, died from diarrhoea alone.
785 million people lack even a basic drinking-water service, including 144 million people who are dependent on surface water.
Globally, at least 2.1 billion people use a drinking water source contaminated with faeces.
In the least developed countries, 22% of health care facilities have no water service, 21% no sanitation service, and 22% no waste management service.
Contaminated water and poor sanitation are linked to the transmission of diseases such as cholera, diarrhoea, dysentery, hepatitis A, typhoid, and polio. Absent, inadequate, or inappropriately managed water and sanitation services expose individuals to preventable health risks.
Diarrhea is mostly preventable and yet we waste billions of dollars every year “fighting” climate change, arguably a fight that has only claimed energy-poor victims. Not a single person has on their death certificate “Cause of Death: Climate Change”.
The demand for more money to fight climate change has risen inexorably to the extent we are projected to spend trillions of dollars on a non-issue, whilst the annual cost of a genuine, fixable issue providing clean, safe water is estimated at $131 billion.
I accept recorded temperatures are rising. I don’t accept the mild warming we are experiencing in some parts of the world will be anything but benign.
Our species was born in Africa, only migrating out of Africa around 60,000 years ago when the climate became dryer and colder. We seek warmth, which is unsurprising since we are essentially hairless apes.
My issue with recorded global temperatures being lumped together on an annual basis and presented as a catastrophic road to hell is, I don’t think there is a global average temperature. I’m not even sure if there is a local average temperature. There are local average daytime temperatures and average nighttime temperatures for days, weeks, and possibly months of the year. The concept of a single global average temperature for a whole year seems far-fetched to me.
A global average temperature is a complete red-herring.
Helping the clean water impoverished millions is a relatively cheap and easy task compared with “fighting” climate change, a fight only nature will win.
The 2024 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences went to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson and James A. Robinson for research into why rich countries are rich and poor countries are poor.
The reason why poor countries are poor is because of the governments that govern the poor countries.
Aid to poor countries does not help when the governments of poor countries are the cause of the poverty.
If you want to help poor countries, you must inform them about the cause of poverty and how these causes can be addressed.
They have helped us understand differences in prosperity between nations.
This year’s laureates in the economic sciences – Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson and James Robinson – have demonstrated the importance of societal institutions for a country’s prosperity. Societies with a poor rule of law and institutions that exploit the population do not generate growth or change for the better. The laureates’ research helps us understand why.
The Western elite’s solution for instituting the kleptocratic governments they so admire in the Third World is to maximize the number of socio- and psychopaths in government and the bureaucracy. This leads to an increase in crime, corruption, and insanity on the streets with it’s resultant tension and unease; a prerequisite for Mass Formation Psychoses as we have recently witnessed in the Climate Wars, the Transgender Debate, and the ChiCom-19 Plandemic!
When a critical mass of the criminally insane is reached within a countries governing and ruling bodies, the institutions turn AGAINST their own citizens and supports their fellow crooks and crazies at the expense of John and Jane Q. Public! This is what we are witnessing in modern socialist states like France, Germany, England, and Commifornia; the complete breakdown of the social order to maximize the grift for the powerful, their friends and families. Ever wondered why the richest people in communist “utopias” are always the children of the leadership?
The United Kingdom developed Hong Kong into one of the leading economies in Asia.
In 1841, Hong Kong was a windswept island of a few thousand fishermen, described by British officials as little more than a “barren rock.” Within a few generations, Hong Kong became one of the most dynamic commercial economies in the world. This transformation was not gradual or organic: it was the result of a rare historical experiment in which a foreign power forcefully imposed the foundations of a Commercial Society and then allowed material progress to emerge.
Hong Kong was the second society in Asia, after Japan, to achieve sustained economic growth that benefitted the masses. Yet its story is often overlooked because it was small, peripheral, and politically dependent. Precisely for that reason, Hong Kong under the British Empire offers one of the clearest examples of how the foundations of progress can be deliberately assembled, and how powerful those foundations can become once in place.
Melanoma is primarily caused by exposure to ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun. Thus, a shaggy covering is helpful, perhaps necessary, for long term survival.
I don’t think there is a global average temperature. I’m not even sure if there is a local average temperature. There are local average daytime temperatures and average nighttime temperatures for days, weeks, and possibly months of the year.
You have hit the nail squarely. Name a time you have seen a Global Mean Surface Temperature average (GMST) or a GMST anomaly average that shows you the variance in temperatures that underlay the total average. It is important to understanding the statistical significance, but none of the folks you have mentioned have ever posted the variance associated with these kinds of globally derived values, even after being asked multiple times. Not even governments will provide this information. Averaging polar temperatures with equatorial temperatures using two temperatures per day is a joke fostered from needing to have a propaganda tool.
“Our species was born in Africa, only migrating out of Africa around 60,000 years ago when the climate became dryer and colder. We seek warmth, which is unsurprising since we are essentially hairless apes.”
It wasn’t warmer when they went north. Some went East, which might have been warmer, or at least as warm.
Vitamin A deficiency is a real issue in developing countries. Simple and cheap solutions are available, considerably cheaper than the whole “climate crises” narrative
On a similar note a church I was associated with… 25 years (and 2 moves) ago(?) was fundraising for small butane cooking stoves to be given out as part of missionary work. Indoor air pollution killing 1-2 million annual (before their time) in the developing world. The program was canceled because it became accepted that CO2 emissions were an existential threat.
“On Thursday, June 4, at noon, Wyoming residents from across the state will gather on the front steps of the Wyoming State Capitol in Cheyenne for the Wyoming Wind Wall Rally. This event is not about opposing any single project. It is about asking whether Wyoming is honestly confronting the cumulative impacts of the unprecedented industrial expansion now occurring across southeastern Wyoming.”
This unprecedented industrial expansion is going on all over the nation.
Here in Oklahoma, there are three new Data centers in the works near my house, with more proposed, and there is a new aluminum plant going up in Tulsa.
All of these new industries are coming in for criticism from locals from a combination of misinformation about AI, and from Democrats who want to turn AI into the next boogey man, along with their efforts to blame AI for higher energy costs when the real problem is adding windmills and solar to the grid.
David you may be interested in this small piece from the UK i newspaper 20th May 2026 entitled
“Birds avoid turbines painted like snakes”
It cites research carried out by Prof Johanna Mappes at the University of Helsinki.
Birds were presented with a touchscreen ‘game’ to test how they responded to turbine blades. If they pecked the screen and avoided the on screen blades they could access a feeder for a treat.
The researchers found that warning colours -yellow, red and black – combined with the rotating motion of the blades was clearly more frightening to birds than other patterns already used for turbines such as a single black blade and red stripes.
“White blades, which are the most frequently used pattern around the world, turned out to be the worst option for birds”
“This suggest that a relatively simple visual change could reduce bird mortality in connection with wind power”
Painting the blades the colour of adders, coral snakes and poison dart frogs were examples.
David, don’t forget to mention that one component of Washington state’s official plan for decarbonization of our electricity supply is to construct wind farms in Montana and Wyoming and to bring the power west using new transmission capacity running through Idaho.
Climate change is a problem and poor countries / people will be hardest hit. No matter what you want to believe
We have far more problems with water than you describe. Some are again linked to climate change and some to capitalism. Sorry, the world isn’t simple.
But if you want further reading look up “virtual water”.
Whataboutism isn’t a viable discussion strategy.
We have to solve even more problems, at the same time, mate
Climate change is a problem and poor countries / people will be hardest hit.
So you think that the deaths of 1,000,000 per annum because of a lack of clean water is less of an issue than a bit of warming that “will” happen sometime in the future.
So now we know where you’re coming from with all your poorly researched nonsense – you’re a misanthropist like all your breathren.
Misanthropy is the general hatred, dislike, or distrust of the human species, human behavior, or human nature. A misanthrope or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings.
“Climate change is a problem and poor countries / people will be hardest hit. No matter what you want to believe” Gratuitous assertions aren’t a discussion strategy either.
Would it be better for humanity if we had gotten 2C colder over the last 150 years?
“…and some to capitalism.” And you have just admitted to the main goal of climate change hysteria. The eliminating of capitalism as a form of economic activity. The WEF, the EU, the UN have admitted this, and now so have you.
EUROPE AIMS TO WEAKEN THE US WITH EXPENSIVE OFFSHORE WINDMILLS THAT PRODUCE EXPENSIVE, LOW-QUALITY ELECTRICITY https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/europe-attempts-to-entangle-us-with-expensive-offshore-windmills
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Net zero by 2050 Euro elites tried to weaken the US, with help of the unpatriotic, leftist Biden clique, into going down the black hole of 30,000 MW by 2030 of expensive, highly subsidized, weather-dependent, grid-disturbing offshore windmill systems, which would need expensive, highly subsidized, short-lived, battery systems for grid support.
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If little wind and solar, aka DUNKELFLAUTE, there is near-zero output of wind and solar, and a large fleet of OTHER plants, must provide the missing electricity up to demand, 24/7/365.
If the OTHER plants are insufficient, electricity needs to be imported at high wholesale prices
If too much wind and solar, much of the electricity needs to be exported at low wholesale prices
These OTHER plants must be fueled, staffed, kept in good working order to instantly provide what is missing.
The more wind and solar tied to the expanded/reinforced/more complex grid, the more OTHER plants. THAT TWO-SYSTEM COMPLEXITY DOES NOT COME FOR FREE.
Offshore wind full cost of electricity FCOE = 30 c/kWh + 11 c/kWh = 41 c/kWh, no subsidies
Offshore wind full cost of electricity FCOE = 15 c/kWh + 11 c/kWh = 26 c/kWh, 50% subsidies
Hidden Costs: Filling-in capacity, balancing capacity, counteracting capacity, grid extension/reinforcement, etc., about 11 c/kWh; powerplant to landfill basis.
This compares with 7 c/kWh + 3 c/kWh = 10 c/kWh from existing gas, coal, nuclear, large reservoir hydro plants. Some values increase due to inflation and as more W/S systems are added to the grid.
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Such expensive W/S electricity would have made the US even less competitive in world markets.
Any US tariffs on the European supply of wind systems would greatly increase their turnkey capital costs/MW and their electricity costs/ kWh.
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Almost the entire supply of the wind projects would be:
1) designed and made in Europe,
2) then transported across the Atlantic Ocean by European specialized ships,
3) then unloaded at new, taxpayer-financed, $500-million storage/pre-assembly/staging/barge-loading areas,
4) then barged to European specialized erection ships for erection of the windmill systems.
5) The financing would be mostly by European pension funds, that pay benefits to European retirees.
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Hundreds of people in each seashore state would have jobs during the erection phase
The other erection jobs would be by specialized European people, mostly on cranes and ships
Hundreds of people in each seashore state would have long-term O&M jobs, using mostly European spare parts, during the 20-y electricity production phase.
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Conglomerates owned by Euro elites would finance, build, erect, own and operate almost all of the 30,000 MW of offshore windmills, providing work for many thousands of European workers for decades, and multi-$billion profits each year.
. That Euro offshore wind ruse did not work out, because Trump was elected.
Trump-hating, Euro elites are furious. Projects are being cancelled. The European windmill industry is in shambles, with multi-$billion annual losses, lay-offs and tens of $billions of stranded costs.
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Trump spared the US from the W/S evils inflicted by the leftist, woke Democrat cabal, that used an autopen for Biden signatures, and bypassed on-the-beach/in-the-basement Biden, an increasingly dysfunctional Marionette.
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Trump declared a National Energy Emergency. He put W/S/B systems at the bottom of the list, and suspended their licenses to put their rushed, glossy environmental impact statements, EIS, under proper scrutiny.
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Euro elites used the IPCC-invented, “CO2-is-evil” hoax, based on its own “science”. These elites used:
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1) the foghorn of government-subsidized Corporate Media to propagate scare-mongering slogans and brainwash the people,
2) censorship to suppress free thinking on town hall forums,
3) election interference, as in Moldova and Georgia,
4) ostracizing/marginalizing major political parties to produce desired outcomes, as in Germany.
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Wall Street elites saw an opportunity for tax shelters for its elite clients.
Woke politicians/bureaucrats were “cut-in” on $juicy deals to pass subsidies, favorable rules and regulations, and impose government mandates.
Euro elites wanted the US to deliver electricity to users at very high c/kWh, to preserve Europe’s extremely advantageous trade balance surpluses with the US. https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/international-trade-is-a-dog-eat-dog-business
The US From Biggest Creditor Nation to Biggest Debtor Nation: As a result of the dismal abilities of US trade negotiators, the US has trade deficits with almost all countries it trades with, mostly due to their tariffs and non-tariff barriers.
Trump, as part of MAGA, succeeded in partially reducing the US trade deficits with tariffs, during 2025, but the US Courts judged them illegal; tens of $billions of tariff money had to be returned. The US economy and US industries and US workers are continuing to be the losers. https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2025-06/trans125-annual-current-account-balance.pdf
Per US Bureau of Economic Analysis, foreign entities had US holdings (all kinds) of $70.54 trillion and US entities had foreign holdings of $42.96 trillion, a gap of $27.54 trillion, at end 2025. The growth of this gapled to the Rust Belt; Watt Street-brokered buyouts of US companies by foreign companies, Dutch/Belgium Agri-businesses owning more than 50% of all US food stores in the eastern US, to provide self-space for European products, etc.
Income paid to foreign entities on their US holdings was $6.26 trillion in 2025, income paid to US entities on their foreign holdings was $5.15 trillion in 2025, for a net outflow of $1.11 trillion in 2025; outflows get bigger as gaps get bigger.
NOTE: The largest creditor nations at end 2025 were Germany $4.24 trillion; China $4.0 trillion; Japan $3.5 trillion.
Trump’s ‘billion-dollar giveaway’ to France?
There was no giveaway, as the leftist, woke, fake-news Media would have you believe with their malicious, slanted TDS reporting.
During the disastrous, autopen Biden regime, the French Total Energies had paid about $1 billion to the US to buy federal leases to put up a few thousand MW of offshore windmills.
However, Trump renegotiated the deal. He told the French, you will be in litigation for years to get your money back, or you can immediately invest that money in power plants for AI data centers. The French eagerly took the deal
The French will invest the lease money in power plants for AI data centers in Texas.
That investment in 60%-efficient, gas fired, CCGT power plants will start providing the French with guaranteed returns for about 40 years, as soon as those plants are up and running.
A but off topic, but hope you can comment on this re: solar land use and comment re: differences in land use for wind. Also, comment on if my extrapolation is accurate/reasonable, or am I missing something?
The video linked below shows, among other things, a comparison between Blevin Solar Complex in Texas, a 270 MW (nameplate) solar complex covering 2300 acres or 3.5 square miles to Bridge City gas plant, a 1200 MW gas plant covering 26 acres or 88 times smaller. The gas plant nameplate is over 4 times that of Blevin and generates electricity 24x7x365 while the solar complex produces electricity maybe 20-25% of the time (not the 270 MW nameplate) and never from dusk to dawn. Also, that solar complex may last 15-20 years at best whereas the gas plant will last 50 years or longer. And, those solar panels don’t just pop up out of thin air – a lot of fossil fuels are burned to power the machinery needed for the enormous amount of mining required in countries around the world to extract the minerals used, then the processing to separate the ore from the overburden, then transport via truck, rail, and ship to manufacturing facility (likely in China), the coal powered energy intensive manufacturing process, transport to the site via truck, rail, and ship, site prep, lifecycle maintenance and ultimate decommissioning – all done by very heavy fossil fuel powered machinery. And what are we going to do with all those end-of-life solar panels (or wind turbines)? And of course, both wind and solar need a backup system for the times the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine adding to overall system cost and environmental impact. And who benefits most from all this? China!
So, let’s do a bit of extrapolation. For Blevin to reach just the nameplate capacity of Bridge City would require over 4 times the amount of land – that is over 15 square miles of solar panels. But, given that solar has a capacity factor of maybe 25%, you would need to multiply that 15 square miles by 4 again to reach the same output as Bridge City – so you are now looking at over 60 square miles of solar panels, and they still do not provide any electricity from dusk to dawn. In fact, the only time they produce at nameplate is between the hours of 10-2 during the time of the year when the sun is directly overhead on clear, cloudless days.
The net is, wind and solar are far more environmentally destructive than hydrocarbons, including coal, and if anything, increase the need for them. Both are parasitic and degrade grid performance leading to brown and black outs (see Duck Curve). https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/sunblock-the-global-fight-to-save
Have not drawn much fire on the following WUWT post. A few negative swipes but no actual comments. Guess that’s because it does not need a PhD (Knows everything about everything and wrong about none of it.) to obfuscate w esoteric handwavium. Any unwashed prole who can balance a checkbook can spot the egregious errors.
The GHE debate is not just about the alarmist’s hocus pocus thermodynamic handwavium, but simple bookkeeping, i.e. 63 + 63 = 63.
TFK_bams09 and all of its clones don’t just violate LoT (160 in & 396 out LoT1 & 333 “back” from cold to warm wo work LoT 2) but basic GAAP.
The same 63 W/m^2 LWIR appears twice, once from the real solar balance: 160 – 80 – 17 = 1st 63 & again from the calc’d/“measured”/imaginary surface BB 396 – 333 “back” = 2nd 63.
The second appears in the calcs (356-333=23+40), the first does not.
What happened? Is the real 63s absence error or deceit??
Only one of these loops is needed to balance OLR at ToA so that means the other is “extra” (violates LoT1) free floating, unaccounted for, looking for a home and apparently dropped down someone’s boot top.
Only one of these balance loops belongs on the graphic.
I suggest keeping the real one.
The imaginary one can join RCP 8.5 in the trash bin of failed science.
Nicholas…I see you’ve added a red box to your weekly yellow box nonsense where you fail to understand 396-333 of electromagntic flux IS the 63 watts of heat radiation and the 63 watts that LEAVES the surface….ENTERS the air above…it’s called “conservation of energy”…GAAP is for tax lawyers. And 63+80+17=160 the sunlight absorbed, also conservation of energy…..Please quit reposting your incompetent cherry-picked interpretation of the energy budget.
So please explain in terms understandable to non PhD participants how they are not and this does not actually give the balance for conservation of energy.
“Have not drawn much fire on the following WUWT post. A few negative swipes but no actual comments.”
Nicolas: There comes a point where it is blatantly obvious that it is pointless responding to you. There have been others on here that hit the same (look up a certain D*** Cotton FI).
Was awarded a BSME from CU Boulder in 1978 and proceeded to apply it over 35 lucrative years in power generation where thermodynamics and heat transfer run on a 24/7 Moebius strip.
The 18 months teaching power plant design & operation before I hung up my slide rule grossed $360k. Pretty good for DK syndrome.
No, repetition does not make me right, the insults and censorship do.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
—Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)
According to John Clauser, 2022 Nobel Physics Price recipient, “Atmospheric CO2 and methane have negligible effect on the climate. The policies government have been implementing are totally unnecessary and should be eliminated. The dominant process is “the cloud-sunlight-reflexivity thermostat” mechanism. Clouds are bright white, reflect 90% of the sunlight back into space, are the most crucial aspect of the climate system. Oceans are 70% of the Earth surface. The Pacific Ocean alone is 50%. The average cloud cover for the Earth is 67%; about 50% over land and 75% over oceans.”
The only way Trump will be able to deal with the religious fanatics currently running Iran, he will have to hold a gun to their head.
These Iranian religious fanatics believe that their God has tasked them with bringing about the destruction of the world as we know it now, and when they initiate this Apocalypse, the Twelfth Emam will return to Earth and turn Earth into a Shia Muslim Paradise (no Unbelievers allowed).
So Trump is actually dealing with their God, not them. And what do we expect religious fanatics like this to do? Will they tell God they have to postpone the Apocalypse in order to make a deal with Trump? Of course they won’t.
The religious fanatics in Iran have to go if there is to be any peace in the area.
Yes, it’s hard for a man to focus on “peace with my neighbors” when the retirement prospect of having his own private harem stocked with 72 fresh virgins is the prize for getting taken out by his neighbors.
Yep we agree Tom…. religion has an awful lot to answer for and most of it not good. Another fine example the taking of the West Bank using the excuse “it is Gods will we have this land.”
Jewish connection to Judea and Samaria isn’t just a religious belief. It’s backed by extensive archaeological, linguistic, and historical evidence of continuous Jewish presence in the region for over 3,000 years (Kingdom of Israel/Judah, Second Temple period, etc.). Many secular Jews and Israelis support presence there for historical, strategic, and security reasons, not theology. The 1967 capture happened in a defensive war against Jordan (which had illegally occupied the area 1948–1967). This isn’t equivalent to, say, European settlers arriving in a distant continent with no prior ties.
AI also says…
Climate change is scientifically real and primarily driven by human activities. The Earth’s average global temperature has risen significantly over the past century, and this rapid warming is causing long-term shifts in global weather patterns and ecosystems
You have lost of “A” , but lack the “I” to understand that fact.
Rick C
May 31, 2026 6:49 am
I guess the fossil fuel climate crisis is now well and truly over. There have been a lot of TV ads lately hyping “Fire Suite Venu” investments. Large outdoor concert venues with hundreds of natural gas decorative fire places for groups of 4 -12. Definitely aimed at wealthy younger people willing to pay triple digits for concert tickets. Being pushed by spokes former quarterback Troy Aikman. Already several big stadiums around the US and being hyped as a “triple net income” investment. Anyone aware of backlash from the CAGCC usual suspects? Surely, liberals will find a way to get these banned. Where are Al Gore, Bill Nye and Michael Mann?
Data centers and AI will make enormous demands on the power system, even if the grid supporting service to residences and commerce is just used to wheel the power. However, the much bigger issue, and it could occur by stealth, is convincing (or coercing) everyone to install heat pumps for residential, commercial and industrial heat.
A draft memorandum of understanding between the United States and Iran, reported by the New York Times on 28 May 2026, includes a proposed £224 billion ($300 billion) reconstruction mechanism for Iran. The fund’s inclusion follows months of negotiations to end the 2026 US-Iran war, during which Tehran had explicitly demanded reparations for bombardment damage that some Iranian officials estimate at between £224 billion ($300 billion) and £745 billion ($1 trillion).
C_Miner
May 31, 2026 1:17 pm
ADMIN – please be warned that TD Bank’s “fraud prevention centre” has you on a list of fraudsters and has actively blocked my last 2 or 3 payments in Canada. Last month I went through a human representative and requested you be white-listed. Today they refused another planned, automated payment. I once again approved the transaction (they call your site a “news or magazine store”). If they try again next month I’ll go straight to a manager.
TD has a shameful record this decade after debanking Convoy protesters in Canada in direct contradiction of Canadian law. They are continuing this old-style Fascist (partnership with government of the day) control. I’ve been dealing with them for over 30 years but am very close to leaving because of these political controls.
Mark Hladik
May 31, 2026 5:48 pm
I’m probably alone in this, but in the U.S., there is a bill in our Federal legislature that would make “Daylight” Savings Time year-round.
This is absurd. Standard Time has an astronomical basis (it’s called “A.M.” or ante-meridian, and “P.M.” or post-meridian), whereas “Daylight” time completely destroys these definitions.
If we are to stop the semi-annual insanity of clock-time change, we should go to Standard Time, and leave it there.
But too many brainwashed want us on “Daylight” time year-round.
If I’ve heard the summaries correctly, individual States would have the option to follow their own path on this. I know Arizona is year-round Standard time, and to my knowledge, it has worked just fine there.
Photos are from a severe weather event in November of 2000, of Highway 7 north of the Fraser River and of the Coquihalla freeway north of Hope BC.
Research meteorologist Cliff Mass explained about the heat of June 2021 and the rains of November 2021 that sometimes factors add up instead of partly cancelling each other.
(Mission city is on H7, Abbotsford and Chilliwack are in the upper Fraser Valley which flooded again because Abbotsford had spent on things other than maintaining dikes – never mind a warning from the Nooksack River 11 years earlier. Hope is just beyond the upper end of the valley. Merritt is to NNE of Hope in a valley with tributary of the Fraser River, Princeton is east of Hope, vulnerable to a river there (Tulameen/Similkameen) – happened years before.
Headed back to the car after processing a return at Home Depot.
Starting to rain.
The convective and latent heat rising from the pavement is obvious, no need for a PhD.
A PhD is needed to complicate this into a million-dollar grant and denigrate us unqualified losers.
Temperature is a function of the kinetic processes, conduction, convection, advection (wind), latent (evap & cond).
Radiation is a function of temperature. As kinetic processes increase/decrease, temperature decreases/increase as does radiation.
This precludes the Earth’s surface redating as a 396 BB which requires all heat be radiative.
It is now clear that A.I. makes enormous demands on the power supply industry worldwide…
Is it possible to put the question to A.I. to find a solution to the problem..?
That depends on what they’ve taught it.
Do it.
Make what you will of any response.
Power demands are going to be disruptive. But that’s self-limiting.
AI (whatever you think the term means) is going to bring about an economic catastrophe, but not for the reasons most people seem to think. Misallocation of capital and borrowing power, and premature work-force shedding will be brutal. The problem isn’t AI’s “intelligence” or its energy demands. The problem is the stupid decisions that will be made in the over-confident expectation AI is the answer. (Kind like the damage from over-confident expectation in Net Zero.)
Maybe once the euphoria blows off in a decade or two we will be left with a glowing remnant that will do useful things, but it won’t solve our problems for us. We’ll get general AI about the time we get economically viable fusion power—long after we’re all dead.
From what I have seen from current AI is that it is unable to assess risk or apply judgement to contrary results. In essence, it gives ambiguous answers to questions. I have yet to see one simply say “I don’t know”. That should give everyone pause in considering AI’s ability to solve problems. I fully expect your intuition is on target.
Young folks are going to have to learn that AI makes good agents for research but not so good in making holistic decisions on complex problems and situations. Wisdom comes from experience over time. Expertise is learned not given to you.
Yes. It will hallucinate instead of saying “I don’t know”. You have to force it to say that by prompting “If you don’t know, just say so”.
I am not sure about this. I used to think there was a clear distinction between machine learning and LLM type AI. Machine learning being the kind of thing that led Alpha Zero to learn and beat human and machine champions at Go and Chess. LLMs that were just search engines with sauce.
I’m no longer sure this is a useful distinction. The future is probably services that are indistinguishably combining the functions. Its already possible to argue with your conclusion that “it is unable to assess risk or apply judgement to contrary results”. I suspect that in five years from now this will not be a tenable position.
Also that in five years time it will be impossible to tell if you are talking to a machine or a person. Except for the speed and accuracy of the response. And the patience!
Search engines with sauce. A great description.
I don’t think it’s going to take a “decade or two”. I’m already seeing the cracks.
Hopefully AI will point out that this claim is false. Existing data centers process the Internet not AI. In the U.S. the AI growth is a modest 6,000 MW a year compared to peak national demand around 750,000 MW. The supposed enormous demand is just AI hype.
https://www.cfact.org/2026/04/17/the-data-center-energy-threat-is-way-overblown/
Yes, the Democrats want to pretend that AI is causing electricity prices to increase, in an effort to deflect blame from the real culprits of higher electricity prices: Windmills and Solar on the grid.
Plus shutting down most of the coal fired power plants.
It is, and I did. My response from AI — Drill Baby Drill, Burn more coal and gas before I DIE!!!
Is there a reason you must bold all your comments??
I was informed about 30 years ago that bolding and caps were similar to shouting at a person in their living room. Doing so gave reason to those gathered to question the state of you marbles.
To me, it’s a sign of arrogance.
Just remember that with Artificial Intelligence, you are almost guaranteed to get artificial output.
“Test all things; hold fast what is good”
— The Bible, 1 Thessalonians 5:21
We’ve had some fantastic weather this week after the long cold slog of March, April and up to mid May.
Incredibly, there are those who have sworn an oath of misery…
the worst May heatwave on record – Fiona Harvey
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/may/28/tony-blair-fossil-fuel-advice-bizarre-energy-climate-crises-experts-say
A lovely day? Bah humbug.
Interestingly, the two weather stations, Kew Gardens & Heathrow, cited by the Met Office are classed as Grade 4/5 by the WMO standards.
GIGO
#MetOfficeKnew
Prone to spikes…
Serious Doubts Arise About Kew Temperature ‘Records’ as Recent UK Heatwave is Weaponised to Drive Net Zero
https://dailysceptic.org/2026/05/31/serious-doubts-arise-about-kew-temperature-records-as-recent-uk-heatwave-is-weaponised-to-drive-net-zero/
#MetOfficeCensors
I looked at the MetO site and it says Kew is class 2.
The Met Office explains how WMO siting classes (1–5) are applied to UK stations, but does not publish a list of individual station classifications. The page describes the classification system but gives no station‑specific ratings, including Kew Gardens. The grading was obtained via FOI.
Do you have a link you can share?
It has a building around 15m away and the A307 20m. Tree shade seems to be a factor as well. To me it falls into Class4 but would like someone more expert to run their eye over it and give their assessment!
Kew Gardens 51.48, -0.29
You might not like the hype and climate change assertions, who does on this site, but making up a false narrative, counter to actual fact, is silly.
In England, March and April were both exceptionally warm. The first 3 weeks of May were slightly chilly until the heatwave made the month warm on average.
It was another top 10, probably top 5 warmest springs on record for England, the majority of the top 10 are now post 2000.
It was an exceptional heatwave (in the affected areas, not the whole UK obviously) by even summer standards.
Kew and Heathrow readings may over-egg the peak heat, but the heat was real with stations all over the shop easily exceeding 30C and breaking dozens of records.
It was not even confined to England, with 4 or 5 European nations breaking all time May records and 100s of station records falling.
If you are claiming I have done what your ilk are so prone to indulge in – making it up – then, you are not only mistaken, but wilfully so.
You believe the bolleaux coming out of the MO
MO = Met Office
Indeed
There was a heat dome over Western Europe including the U.K. the temperature rise was nothing to do with any anthropogenic events but adiabatic heating due to down flow of air. For an explanation see https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/2025-06-20-death-ridge-heat-dome-explainer
Exactly.
Summer heat = a high pressure system overhead. CO2 has nothing to do with it.
You describe the weather Mr Tom
Not the underlying climate.
As in the energy in the system.
That is where CO2 comes in.
And not the synoptic situation over the period.
FYI: All hetawaves are caused by such.
Except they form under a ridge of warm air aloft that has been advected up from the south, the fiercest of which draw up Saharan air.
That happened this time and it was also the case in 1947, and I showed in a previous thread that the Saharan air was hotter this time (by ~ 2C) at the 850mb level (which is where a DALR would descend from in peak insolation).
The Extra surface heat was an addition from the advected air above that that occured in 1947.
Richards and Homewood can provide fodder for denial all he likes to the converted.
But looking at the met data tells the real story.
God forbid anyone do that on here from the science side!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/05/28/the-1947-heatwave-which-the-met-office-keeps-quiet-about/#comment-4199983
Love the concept of climate underlying weather.
Yeah, I was under the impression that the “official” definition of climate was the average of observed weather conditions over a 30-year period.
But now what professor Banton seems to be suggesting is that climates are fixed-piece conditions that pull the strings to create weather events from time to time.
Will somebody please nudge me when this whole sitcom is done.
(I mean, it’s never going to be another M.A.S.H. is it?)
“Yeah, I was under the impression that the “official” definition of climate was the average of observed weather conditions over a 30-year period.“
It is.
Where did I say it wasn’t?
It’s really quite simple:
I replied to a post that *implied* that the heatwave was merely a function of the current weather situation.
And correctly said that of course it was but that the weather situation in 1947 had less *energy* within it as the advected Saharan air was inherently 2C warmer this May than it was back in 1947.
It’s called meteorological analysis from data.
Thanks for your typical denialist handwavium ad hom.
As dumb as a Banton.
Try elucidating where I am wrong varius.
Never let a post from me go by without an insult where you are unable to counter with some evidence.
So extra warmth from the south, the result of more energy input from with lower cloud cover.
Yep, basically ALL real warming (as opposed to Met Office warming) in the UK can be put firmly on extra hours of sunshine.
And the Poms are complaining about extra sunshine.. 😉 .. very droll. !!
The average temperatures for the respective heatwaves of 1922, 1944, 1947 & 2026 belie this analysis. Of more significance is the lack of rainfall this year compared to the past.
This has been the coldest spring that I can remember in Glasgow. I have kept records of the amount of gas that I have used and this spring is the highest amount in the last 20 years which is how long that I have been keeping records. All of my plants in my garden are at least one month behind the norm. I planted grass seed in my front lawn and it was May before it germinated. If the Met Office says otherwise, they are lying their heads off.
Ditto here in SW Missouri-just got my tomatoes in, peppers hopefully next week. No greens or beans yet; squash will have to wait a bit.
Exceptional yet similar to 1922,1944,1947 (with over egged peaks)
NB : For some background, see this comment under the WUWT “The 1947 heatwave” article.
Here in France there has also been a lot of media agitation about all of the “May records” that have been broken over the last week or so, especially in the west of France, and that the “national average” (monthly / May) record has also fallen.
The record for Paris (Parc Montsouris weather station), however, is still intact.
In 1947 the “heatwave” that peaked at 35°C on the 3rd of June was followed by the series of waves of hotter-and-hotter heating (each lasting 5 to 15 days, ending in 0.5 to 2 days of thunderstorms) that constitute “a typical Parisian summer”, culminating in a “Hottest EVAH !” Tmax record for Paris — of 40.4°C on the 18th of July that stood for 72 years (until 25/7/2019, when the current record of 42.6°C was set).
There was even a bonus “indian summer” episode in the middle of September.
In 1944, however, the “May heatwave” turned out to have the highest Tmax value for Paris for the entire summer (when Paris was otherwise “occupied” having an uprising and being liberated by Philippe Leclerc’s “deuxieme DB”), with only a couple of days in August managing to regain the 32°C level (compared to 34.8°C in May).
In 1922 it was even … “worse” (?), with the 34.8°C (again) peak in May being followed by a 30.5°C spike on the 1st of June and a 29.5°C spike on the 21st of July.
Question : Will the summer of 2026 “echo” that of 1947 for Paris, or will it be more like the summers of 1922 and 1944 ?
Answer : We do not know, we will just have to wait and see.
Summer in Vermont?
It was 36 F at my house in Woodstock, VT on May 31, 2026, overcast
I just put in my tomato plants.
The heat is on.
Global Cooling?
This is why Tmax and Tmin are destined to end up in the garbage dump. They tell you nothing about what occurs in between. We have automated stations with 1, 2, 5, 60 minute data. At some point, temperatures summed over a 24 hour period and normalized to a common factor like percent will be the norm. Hot days will have a large number of hot temps and a large sum. Nice days will have a balance of warm and cool temps over 24 hours and will have a medium sum. Cold days a low sum.
Sitting here with a $150 mini-pc using an n150 processor with python scripts, I can download 20 years of USCRN 5 minute data for a station and have a graph on my screen in about 3 minutes. If I stored the files locally and used a compiled program it would be even quicker.
The only problem is the data quality checking and handling missing data algorithms I have devised aren’t satisfactory, but that will come.
Jim,
The stats program SAS JMP has wonderful software for doing such checking. It also provides imputed values for missing data.
It is quite an eye opener to easily do simple things like checking a string of daily temperature data to find if the average for one day of the week like Monday is close to the others as expected, or rather different. Getting more complicated, identify how many times a pattern of temperatures over (say) four consecutive days is repeated elsewhere in the data excessively (a cut and paste test). Then on to Monte Carlo simulations of what the data might look like and have similar distributions. Then onto magic stuff like Random Forests …. Geoff S.
MO data quality is more a lack of…
We’ve , where, weather, week, worst … Sent me looking for Abbott and Costello’s Who’s on First.
I don’t know {3rd base}, What {2nd base}, Who {1st base}
Actually, I wonder about where “We” are located.
For some time now I have been posting about “dynamic energy conversion within the general circulation” as computed by the ERA5 reanalysis model in the hourly parameter “vertical integral of energy conversion.” It is understood conceptually in classical meteorology.
What is it that drives the atmosphere to maintain its circulation against the dissipation of kinetic energy to heat (internal energy) and the radiative loss to space? Mainly, it is “horizontal heating gradients.” And also the convective response to “the vertical gradient of diabatic heating.”
“1 An overview of the kinetic energy cycle in the atmosphere
Atmospheric fluid motions may be divided into two broad classes, both of which owe their existence to the uneven distribution of diabatic heating in the atmosphere:
1. Motions driven either directly or indirectly by horizontal heating gradients in a stably stratified atmosphere account for more than 98% of the atmospheric kinetic energy. Nearly all this kinetic energy is associated with the synoptic- and planetary-scale horizontal wind field, which has a globally averaged root mean square velocity of about 12-15 m s-1.
2. Motions driven by convective instability account for the remainder of the atmospheric kinetic energy. Convection is continually breaking out within discrete regions of the atmosphere as a consequence of the vertical gradient of diabatic heating.”
Source: University of Washington graduate level course “The General Circulation of the Atmosphere” as of 2010.
First page here. https://a.atmos.uw.edu/academics/classes/2010Q2/545/545_Ch_1.pdf
So here is the main point for consideration today: Incremental trace IR-active gases CO2, CH4, N2O should slightly improve the IR coupling of the lower atmosphere to the land and ocean surfaces. This makes the atmosphere a bit more responsive to the horizontal heating gradients. Those gradients across latitudes and longitudes during the daily pulses of sunshine can be visualized from space in Band 16 as the surface warms and cools under clear or partly cloudy skies. Logically, it should also promote the vertical heating gradient that drives the onset of convection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yarzo13_TSE
MUST the same incremental IR absorbing power “force” the land and ocean surfaces to come to a perceptibly higher temperature to maintain the overall radiative loss to space? No. Not if it works to promote the kinetic energy cycle of the general circulation, in which dynamic energy conversion massively overwhelms the minor static effect to begin with, as it operates throughout the depth of the troposphere.
Explained and demonstrated more completely here.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PDJP3F3rteoP99lR53YKp2fzuaza7Niz?usp=drive_link
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
David,
If you accept the official story that planet earth has warmed about a degree C in the last century, what would you speculate to be the likely (scientific) mechanism for such a change? I accept that there is an existing system for sending heat to space, but what controls the set point or allows it to change and re-stabilize?
Geoff S
Thanks for your question, Geoff. It seems reasonable to me that the combination of multiple timed dynamic cycles suffices to explain both the longer term trends and the shorter term variations – those cycles originating mainly from orbital and ocean circulation dynamics.
About the constraints on the physical response of the climate system, mainly they would be the melting temperature of ice, the fixed vapor pressure vs temperature characteristics of liquid water, the fixed mass of the non-condensing compressible atmosphere, and the relatively stable irradiance intercepted by the fixed area of the planet facing the sun. The combination imposes a highly self-regulating characteristic on the system, as I would describe it.
The simple reason for the recent warming is less air pollution and reduced cloud cover. NASA satellites have detected a greening of earth’s surfaces due to less clouds and more sunlight reaching the ground.
But Harold,
What decides if more or less cloud over a region is the way to go?
If one part of the control says “Try no cloud for 6 months over California” another part of the control has typically said “No, we will keep some.”
What is the mechanism of such control?
Last month I did a quick study of control theory, set points and feedback for traditional governors on steam engines, then on human body temperatures, then on the global temperature. I could find nothing with useful explanatory value apart from the governor. Our body temperature might have a set points mechanism reported in literature, but if so, I failed to find it. Geoff S
“Greening” is a consequence of photosynthesis, is it not?
Plants primarily absorb light in the 400 to 700 nanometer range, known as Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR), which includes blue and red wavelengths.
Does this reduce the energy to warm the atmosphere?
Of course it does. Photosynthesis converts the energy at those frequencies into chemical energy. It does not radiate as IR. With the advent of increased greening, there is no doubt that some of the insolation is being stored in that fashion.
My response would be that it hasn’t been uniform. Some places have warmed, some have cooled, some have remained relatively static.
Elliptical orbit (90 W/m^2 perihelion to aphelion), tilted axis (700 W/m^2 summer to winter) & albedo (100 W/m^2 +/- 10) are the major climate mechanisms.
Even modest changes w these can produce noticeable effects.
The following is something I posted a few years ago on WUWT, updated to reflect current figures.
I invite MyUserName, TheFinalNail, and all the other worriers about the “climate crises” to give me their thoughts on the “climate crises” V the lack of clean water.
This year, hundreds of thousands of children will die from preventable diarrhoeal diseases linked to lack of clean water and poor sanitation – far more than any direct deaths attributed to climate change.
According to the World Health Organization, diarrhoeal disease still kills around 444,000 children under 5 every year. Unsafe drinking water, sanitation and hygiene are major contributing factors.
Climate change doesn’t kill 444,000 children annually.
Yet we take clean water for granted in developed countries. Turn on the tap and instantly there is a flow of clean, parasite-free, we take water for granted.
We are so used to our abundant water, many people turn on the tap to brush our teeth and leave the tap running. We water our gardens, wash our cars, brew beer, and play in our swimming pools without acknowledging this easy access to fresh water is a luxury.
In some parts of the world, safe water is not so easy to access.
The figures make for stark reading.
According to the World Health Organisation:
Diarrhea is mostly preventable and yet we waste billions of dollars every year “fighting” climate change, arguably a fight that has only claimed energy-poor victims. Not a single person has on their death certificate “Cause of Death: Climate Change”.
The demand for more money to fight climate change has risen inexorably to the extent we are projected to spend trillions of dollars on a non-issue, whilst the annual cost of a genuine, fixable issue providing clean, safe water is estimated at $131 billion.
I accept recorded temperatures are rising. I don’t accept the mild warming we are experiencing in some parts of the world will be anything but benign.
Our species was born in Africa, only migrating out of Africa around 60,000 years ago when the climate became dryer and colder. We seek warmth, which is unsurprising since we are essentially hairless apes.
My issue with recorded global temperatures being lumped together on an annual basis and presented as a catastrophic road to hell is, I don’t think there is a global average temperature. I’m not even sure if there is a local average temperature. There are local average daytime temperatures and average nighttime temperatures for days, weeks, and possibly months of the year. The concept of a single global average temperature for a whole year seems far-fetched to me.
A global average temperature is a complete red-herring.
Helping the clean water impoverished millions is a relatively cheap and easy task compared with “fighting” climate change, a fight only nature will win.
So why aren’t we doing it?
The 2024 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences went to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson and James A. Robinson for research into why rich countries are rich and poor countries are poor.
The reason why poor countries are poor is because of the governments that govern the poor countries.
Aid to poor countries does not help when the governments of poor countries are the cause of the poverty.
If you want to help poor countries, you must inform them about the cause of poverty and how these causes can be addressed.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2024/press-release/
“The reason why poor countries are poor is because of the governments that govern the poor countries.”
Why do rich countries like the UK and Germany go bankrupt? For the same reason: Incompetent leadership.
The Western elite’s solution for instituting the kleptocratic governments they so admire in the Third World is to maximize the number of socio- and psychopaths in government and the bureaucracy. This leads to an increase in crime, corruption, and insanity on the streets with it’s resultant tension and unease; a prerequisite for Mass Formation Psychoses as we have recently witnessed in the Climate Wars, the Transgender Debate, and the ChiCom-19 Plandemic!
When a critical mass of the criminally insane is reached within a countries governing and ruling bodies, the institutions turn AGAINST their own citizens and supports their fellow crooks and crazies at the expense of John and Jane Q. Public! This is what we are witnessing in modern socialist states like France, Germany, England, and Commifornia; the complete breakdown of the social order to maximize the grift for the powerful, their friends and families. Ever wondered why the richest people in communist “utopias” are always the children of the leadership?
The United Kingdom developed Hong Kong into one of the leading economies in Asia.
https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/how-britain-turned-hong-kong-into
The reason there are many poor countries is because these lack cheap sources of energy and resources such minerals, wood and water.
Because of their kleptocratic leaders, not for any other reason.
Exactly right. When a third world country gets hundreds of millions from the UN, where does it go? Right into the pockets of the leaders.
“According to the World Health Organization, diarrhoeal disease still kills around 444,000 children under 5 every year.”
That is a horrible number! I think this should be a priority for everyone. 444,000 children dead for no good reason. Every year! Unbelievable!
That number is up 100,000 since I last posted this.
And yet, we’re still spending $$$$$$$$$ on this climate crises nonsense.
Half of India still goes to the toilet in the fields. Many women and girls get raped going to and from the fields.
There’s a lot of bad stuff going on in the world. If I could wave a magic wand… I’d make everything alright.
You’re not going to fix culture and superstition with money.
I don’t have a magic wand.
My point was that they will have to want to fix themselves, if they feel they need fixing. If not, I’m not inclined to give them one red cent.
“We seek warmth, which is unsurprising since we are essentially hairless apes.”
Evolution is the theory that explains why all the hirsute primates are in the Arctic.
Oh! Wait!
Melanoma is primarily caused by exposure to ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun. Thus, a shaggy covering is helpful, perhaps necessary, for long term survival.
hairless apes
Not to be confused with climate alarmist apes – hair-brained apes.
You have hit the nail squarely. Name a time you have seen a Global Mean Surface Temperature average (GMST) or a GMST anomaly average that shows you the variance in temperatures that underlay the total average. It is important to understanding the statistical significance, but none of the folks you have mentioned have ever posted the variance associated with these kinds of globally derived values, even after being asked multiple times. Not even governments will provide this information. Averaging polar temperatures with equatorial temperatures using two temperatures per day is a joke fostered from needing to have a propaganda tool.
“Our species was born in Africa, only migrating out of Africa around 60,000 years ago when the climate became dryer and colder. We seek warmth, which is unsurprising since we are essentially hairless apes.”
It wasn’t warmer when they went north. Some went East, which might have been warmer, or at least as warm.
I didn’t say they went North, I suspect they went East first of all as you say
They did both at once, to my knowledge.
Redge,
Now do one on Vitamin A deficiency.
I may just do that
Vitamin A deficiency is a real issue in developing countries. Simple and cheap solutions are available, considerably cheaper than the whole “climate crises” narrative
“Frankenfoods” are the scare used to promote this form of culling of the masses. Some people’s outlook is absolutely evil.
On a similar note a church I was associated with… 25 years (and 2 moves) ago(?) was fundraising for small butane cooking stoves to be given out as part of missionary work. Indoor air pollution killing 1-2 million annual (before their time) in the developing world. The program was canceled because it became accepted that CO2 emissions were an existential threat.
Steve Malloy at Junk Science has numerous articles that indoor air pollution has killed no one.
Your church fell for two hoaxes. They stopped doing something good because of lies.
We are having a “Stop the Wind Wall” rally in Wyoming this Thursday. Here is some press on it:
“Wyoming deserves the full picture on energy projects”
https://wyomingnews-wy.newsmemory.com/?publink=0eb2f240f_13520d6
“On Thursday, June 4, at noon, Wyoming residents from across the state will gather on the front steps of the Wyoming State Capitol in Cheyenne for the Wyoming Wind Wall Rally. This event is not about opposing any single project. It is about asking whether Wyoming is honestly confronting the cumulative impacts of the unprecedented industrial expansion now occurring across southeastern Wyoming.”
This unprecedented industrial expansion is going on all over the nation.
Here in Oklahoma, there are three new Data centers in the works near my house, with more proposed, and there is a new aluminum plant going up in Tulsa.
All of these new industries are coming in for criticism from locals from a combination of misinformation about AI, and from Democrats who want to turn AI into the next boogey man, along with their efforts to blame AI for higher energy costs when the real problem is adding windmills and solar to the grid.
David you may be interested in this small piece from the UK i newspaper 20th May 2026 entitled
“Birds avoid turbines painted like snakes”
It cites research carried out by Prof Johanna Mappes at the University of Helsinki.
Birds were presented with a touchscreen ‘game’ to test how they responded to turbine blades. If they pecked the screen and avoided the on screen blades they could access a feeder for a treat.
The researchers found that warning colours -yellow, red and black – combined with the rotating motion of the blades was clearly more frightening to birds than other patterns already used for turbines such as a single black blade and red stripes.
“White blades, which are the most frequently used pattern around the world, turned out to be the worst option for birds”
“This suggest that a relatively simple visual change could reduce bird mortality in connection with wind power”
Painting the blades the colour of adders, coral snakes and poison dart frogs were examples.
David, don’t forget to mention that one component of Washington state’s official plan for decarbonization of our electricity supply is to construct wind farms in Montana and Wyoming and to bring the power west using new transmission capacity running through Idaho.
Trumps influence on renewables and the world
Liebreich: The Great Clean Energy Acceleration 2.0
https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-energy/liebreich-the-great-clean-energy-acceleration-2-0/
Why the World Is Boycotting ‘Made in America’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18q_8zEWlA
Maybe it is intended and trump is secretly an US hating environmentalist.
Not responding to my comment, mate?
No, but you can have this:
Climate change is a problem and poor countries / people will be hardest hit. No matter what you want to believe
We have far more problems with water than you describe. Some are again linked to climate change and some to capitalism. Sorry, the world isn’t simple.
But if you want further reading look up “virtual water”.
Whataboutism isn’t a viable discussion strategy.
We have to solve even more problems, at the same time, mate
So you think that the deaths of 1,000,000 per annum because of a lack of clean water is less of an issue than a bit of warming that “will” happen sometime in the future.
So now we know where you’re coming from with all your poorly researched nonsense – you’re a misanthropist like all your breathren.
Misanthropy is the general hatred, dislike, or distrust of the human species, human behavior, or human nature. A misanthrope or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings.
Nice try 1/10
Lol
I guess that means you think the deaths of 440,000 kids is ok
Thanks for showing your true colours
“Climate change is a problem and poor countries / people will be hardest hit. No matter what you want to believe” Gratuitous assertions aren’t a discussion strategy either.
Would it be better for humanity if we had gotten 2C colder over the last 150 years?
“…and some to capitalism.” And you have just admitted to the main goal of climate change hysteria. The eliminating of capitalism as a form of economic activity. The WEF, the EU, the UN have admitted this, and now so have you.
“Climate change is a problem ”
NO…. it is NOT
Where Is The “Climate Emergency”? – Watts Up With That?
And WRONG, most water availability problems are to do with lack of investment in things like dams… mostly because of socialism and far-left agendas.
Trump spiked Chagos. That’ll ding dang do for me.
Did you know that OIL and GAS production is SURGING around the globe !!
And Bloomberg New Economy.. You MUST be joking.. ultra-far-left Propaganda pap.
The very opposite of what is “REAL”
EUROPE AIMS TO WEAKEN THE US WITH EXPENSIVE OFFSHORE WINDMILLS THAT PRODUCE EXPENSIVE, LOW-QUALITY ELECTRICITY
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/europe-attempts-to-entangle-us-with-expensive-offshore-windmills
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Net zero by 2050 Euro elites tried to weaken the US, with help of the unpatriotic, leftist Biden clique, into going down the black hole of 30,000 MW by 2030 of expensive, highly subsidized, weather-dependent, grid-disturbing offshore windmill systems, which would need expensive, highly subsidized, short-lived, battery systems for grid support.
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If little wind and solar, aka DUNKELFLAUTE, there is near-zero output of wind and solar, and a large fleet of OTHER plants, must provide the missing electricity up to demand, 24/7/365.
If the OTHER plants are insufficient, electricity needs to be imported at high wholesale prices
If too much wind and solar, much of the electricity needs to be exported at low wholesale prices
These OTHER plants must be fueled, staffed, kept in good working order to instantly provide what is missing.
The more wind and solar tied to the expanded/reinforced/more complex grid, the more OTHER plants.
THAT TWO-SYSTEM COMPLEXITY DOES NOT COME FOR FREE.
Offshore wind full cost of electricity FCOE = 30 c/kWh + 11 c/kWh = 41 c/kWh, no subsidies
Offshore wind full cost of electricity FCOE = 15 c/kWh + 11 c/kWh = 26 c/kWh, 50% subsidies
Hidden Costs: Filling-in capacity, balancing capacity, counteracting capacity, grid extension/reinforcement, etc., about 11 c/kWh; powerplant to landfill basis.
This compares with 7 c/kWh + 3 c/kWh = 10 c/kWh from existing gas, coal, nuclear, large reservoir hydro plants.
Some values increase due to inflation and as more W/S systems are added to the grid.
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Such expensive W/S electricity would have made the US even less competitive in world markets.
Any US tariffs on the European supply of wind systems would greatly increase their turnkey capital costs/MW and their electricity costs/ kWh.
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Almost the entire supply of the wind projects would be:
1) designed and made in Europe,
2) then transported across the Atlantic Ocean by European specialized ships,
3) then unloaded at new, taxpayer-financed, $500-million storage/pre-assembly/staging/barge-loading areas,
4) then barged to European specialized erection ships for erection of the windmill systems.
5) The financing would be mostly by European pension funds, that pay benefits to European retirees.
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Hundreds of people in each seashore state would have jobs during the erection phase
The other erection jobs would be by specialized European people, mostly on cranes and ships
Hundreds of people in each seashore state would have long-term O&M jobs, using mostly European spare parts, during the 20-y electricity production phase.
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Conglomerates owned by Euro elites would finance, build, erect, own and operate almost all of the 30,000 MW of offshore windmills, providing work for many thousands of European workers for decades, and multi-$billion profits each year.
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That Euro offshore wind ruse did not work out, because Trump was elected.
Trump-hating, Euro elites are furious. Projects are being cancelled. The European windmill industry is in shambles, with multi-$billion annual losses, lay-offs and tens of $billions of stranded costs.
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Trump spared the US from the W/S evils inflicted by the leftist, woke Democrat cabal, that used an autopen for Biden signatures, and bypassed on-the-beach/in-the-basement Biden, an increasingly dysfunctional Marionette.
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Trump declared a National Energy Emergency. He put W/S/B systems at the bottom of the list, and suspended their licenses to put their rushed, glossy environmental impact statements, EIS, under proper scrutiny.
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Euro elites used the IPCC-invented, “CO2-is-evil” hoax, based on its own “science”. These elites used:
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1) the foghorn of government-subsidized Corporate Media to propagate scare-mongering slogans and brainwash the people,
2) censorship to suppress free thinking on town hall forums,
3) election interference, as in Moldova and Georgia,
4) ostracizing/marginalizing major political parties to produce desired outcomes, as in Germany.
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Wall Street elites saw an opportunity for tax shelters for its elite clients.
Woke politicians/bureaucrats were “cut-in” on $juicy deals to pass subsidies, favorable rules and regulations, and impose government mandates.
Euro elites wanted the US to deliver electricity to users at very high c/kWh, to preserve Europe’s extremely advantageous trade balance surpluses with the US.
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/international-trade-is-a-dog-eat-dog-business
Europe’s Decline from a Lofty Perch
https://willempost.substack.com/p/europes-decline-from-a-lofty-perch?r=1n3sit&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
The US From Biggest Creditor Nation to Biggest Debtor Nation: As a result of the dismal abilities of US trade negotiators, the US has trade deficits with almost all countries it trades with, mostly due to their tariffs and non-tariff barriers.
Trump, as part of MAGA, succeeded in partially reducing the US trade deficits with tariffs, during 2025, but the US Courts judged them illegal; tens of $billions of tariff money had to be returned. The US economy and US industries and US workers are continuing to be the losers.
https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2025-06/trans125-annual-current-account-balance.pdf
Per US Bureau of Economic Analysis, foreign entities had US holdings (all kinds) of $70.54 trillion and US entities had foreign holdings of $42.96 trillion, a gap of $27.54 trillion, at end 2025. The growth of this gap led to the Rust Belt; Watt Street-brokered buyouts of US companies by foreign companies, Dutch/Belgium Agri-businesses owning more than 50% of all US food stores in the eastern US, to provide self-space for European products, etc.
Income paid to foreign entities on their US holdings was $6.26 trillion in 2025, income paid to US entities on their foreign holdings was $5.15 trillion in 2025, for a net outflow of $1.11 trillion in 2025; outflows get bigger as gaps get bigger.
NOTE: The largest creditor nations at end 2025 were Germany $4.24 trillion; China $4.0 trillion; Japan $3.5 trillion.
Trump’s ‘billion-dollar giveaway’ to France?
There was no giveaway, as the leftist, woke, fake-news Media would have you believe with their malicious, slanted TDS reporting.
During the disastrous, autopen Biden regime, the French Total Energies had paid about $1 billion to the US to buy federal leases to put up a few thousand MW of offshore windmills.
However, Trump renegotiated the deal. He told the French, you will be in litigation for years to get your money back, or you can immediately invest that money in power plants for AI data centers. The French eagerly took the deal
The French will invest the lease money in power plants for AI data centers in Texas.
That investment in 60%-efficient, gas fired, CCGT power plants will start providing the French with guaranteed returns for about 40 years, as soon as those plants are up and running.
I saw a report that there is about a five year backlog for CCGT hardware. These plants won’t be up and running any time soon.
You are right, a 5 to 7 year backlog
Wow!
A but off topic, but hope you can comment on this re: solar land use and comment re: differences in land use for wind. Also, comment on if my extrapolation is accurate/reasonable, or am I missing something?
The video linked below shows, among other things, a comparison between Blevin Solar Complex in Texas, a 270 MW (nameplate) solar complex covering 2300 acres or 3.5 square miles to Bridge City gas plant, a 1200 MW gas plant covering 26 acres or 88 times smaller. The gas plant nameplate is over 4 times that of Blevin and generates electricity 24x7x365 while the solar complex produces electricity maybe 20-25% of the time (not the 270 MW nameplate) and never from dusk to dawn. Also, that solar complex may last 15-20 years at best whereas the gas plant will last 50 years or longer. And, those solar panels don’t just pop up out of thin air – a lot of fossil fuels are burned to power the machinery needed for the enormous amount of mining required in countries around the world to extract the minerals used, then the processing to separate the ore from the overburden, then transport via truck, rail, and ship to manufacturing facility (likely in China), the coal powered energy intensive manufacturing process, transport to the site via truck, rail, and ship, site prep, lifecycle maintenance and ultimate decommissioning – all done by very heavy fossil fuel powered machinery. And what are we going to do with all those end-of-life solar panels (or wind turbines)? And of course, both wind and solar need a backup system for the times the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine adding to overall system cost and environmental impact. And who benefits most from all this? China!
So, let’s do a bit of extrapolation. For Blevin to reach just the nameplate capacity of Bridge City would require over 4 times the amount of land – that is over 15 square miles of solar panels. But, given that solar has a capacity factor of maybe 25%, you would need to multiply that 15 square miles by 4 again to reach the same output as Bridge City – so you are now looking at over 60 square miles of solar panels, and they still do not provide any electricity from dusk to dawn. In fact, the only time they produce at nameplate is between the hours of 10-2 during the time of the year when the sun is directly overhead on clear, cloudless days.
The net is, wind and solar are far more environmentally destructive than hydrocarbons, including coal, and if anything, increase the need for them. Both are parasitic and degrade grid performance leading to brown and black outs (see Duck Curve). https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/sunblock-the-global-fight-to-save
Have not drawn much fire on the following WUWT post. A few negative swipes but no actual comments. Guess that’s because it does not need a PhD (Knows everything about everything and wrong about none of it.) to obfuscate w esoteric handwavium. Any unwashed prole who can balance a checkbook can spot the egregious errors.
The GHE debate is not just about the alarmist’s hocus pocus thermodynamic handwavium, but simple bookkeeping, i.e. 63 + 63 = 63.
TFK_bams09 and all of its clones don’t just violate LoT (160 in & 396 out LoT1 & 333 “back” from cold to warm wo work LoT 2) but basic GAAP.
The same 63 W/m^2 LWIR appears twice, once from the real solar balance: 160 – 80 – 17 = 1st 63 & again from the calc’d/“measured”/imaginary surface BB 396 – 333 “back” = 2nd 63.
The second appears in the calcs (356-333=23+40), the first does not.
What happened? Is the real 63s absence error or deceit??
Only one of these loops is needed to balance OLR at ToA so that means the other is “extra” (violates LoT1) free floating, unaccounted for, looking for a home and apparently dropped down someone’s boot top.
Only one of these balance loops belongs on the graphic.
I suggest keeping the real one.
The imaginary one can join RCP 8.5 in the trash bin of failed science.
Nicholas…I see you’ve added a red box to your weekly yellow box nonsense where you fail to understand 396-333 of electromagntic flux IS the 63 watts of heat radiation and the 63 watts that LEAVES the surface….ENTERS the air above…it’s called “conservation of energy”…GAAP is for tax lawyers. And 63+80+17=160 the sunlight absorbed, also conservation of energy…..Please quit reposting your incompetent cherry-picked interpretation of the energy budget.
There are two distinct 63’s.
You cannot conflate them.
No there isn’t….they’re “both” the same 63…”conservation of energy”is what it’s called.
They absolutely are not!!!
So please explain in terms understandable to non PhD participants how they are not and this does not actually give the balance for conservation of energy.
OK
Incoming positive, outgoing negative
TFK_bams09
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – 1st 63 but AWOL – 396 BB + 333 back – 2nd 63 LWIR = – 63 AWOL
Solar 63 goes missing
Does not balance.
Both 63s reach OLR
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – 1st 63 LWIR – 396 BB + 333 back – 2nd 63 LWIR = – 126
Does not balance.
1st 63 to OLR, 2nd 63 goes nowhere.
+160 surface – 80 latent – 17 sensible – 1st 63 LWIR – 396 BB + 333 back + 2nd 63 LWIR = 0
Balances.
1st 63 reaches OLR at ToA.
80/17/63 really from sun
2nd 63 must return to surface.
396/333/63 imaginary
That looks like a lot of gibberish.
Your understanding is blurred by the kool aid.
Doing the homework would help.
Nicholas, once again, please just stop it. Everyone else, I suggest not replying.
Refute my 3 points or piss off.
The internet doesn’t work that way.
What way? Actual facts?
“Have not drawn much fire on the following WUWT post. A few negative swipes but no actual comments.”
Nicolas:
There comes a point where it is blatantly obvious that it is pointless responding to you. There have been others on here that hit the same (look up a certain D*** Cotton FI).
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/10/critical-mass-of-cotton/
Your investment in your DK syndrome makes reference to any and all (real) science on the subject pointless
And so you think you are *winning* the argument.
No we just become tired of it.
Endlessly repeating stuff does not make it correct.
Was awarded a BSME from CU Boulder in 1978 and proceeded to apply it over 35 lucrative years in power generation where thermodynamics and heat transfer run on a 24/7 Moebius strip.
The 18 months teaching power plant design & operation before I hung up my slide rule grossed $360k. Pretty good for DK syndrome.
No, repetition does not make me right, the insults and censorship do.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
—Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)
The image likely is far from the real picture.
According to John Clauser, 2022 Nobel Physics Price recipient, “Atmospheric CO2 and methane have negligible effect on the climate. The policies government have been implementing are totally unnecessary and should be eliminated. The dominant process is “the cloud-sunlight-reflexivity thermostat” mechanism. Clouds are bright white, reflect 90% of the sunlight back into space, are the most crucial aspect of the climate system. Oceans are 70% of the Earth surface. The Pacific Ocean alone is 50%. The average cloud cover for the Earth is 67%; about 50% over land and 75% over oceans.”
The only way Trump will be able to deal with the religious fanatics currently running Iran, he will have to hold a gun to their head.
These Iranian religious fanatics believe that their God has tasked them with bringing about the destruction of the world as we know it now, and when they initiate this Apocalypse, the Twelfth Emam will return to Earth and turn Earth into a Shia Muslim Paradise (no Unbelievers allowed).
So Trump is actually dealing with their God, not them. And what do we expect religious fanatics like this to do? Will they tell God they have to postpone the Apocalypse in order to make a deal with Trump? Of course they won’t.
The religious fanatics in Iran have to go if there is to be any peace in the area.
Yes, it’s hard for a man to focus on “peace with my neighbors” when the retirement prospect of having his own private harem stocked with 72 fresh virgins is the prize for getting taken out by his neighbors.
An infidel is are giving two choices: either convert to Islam or pay tribute. If the infidel declines these, he will be beheaded.
A place to start, search: Twelver Shia beliefs
Yep we agree Tom…. religion has an awful lot to answer for and most of it not good. Another fine example the taking of the West Bank using the excuse “it is Gods will we have this land.”
AI says:
Jewish connection to Judea and Samaria isn’t just a religious belief. It’s backed by extensive archaeological, linguistic, and historical evidence of continuous Jewish presence in the region for over 3,000 years (Kingdom of Israel/Judah, Second Temple period, etc.). Many secular Jews and Israelis support presence there for historical, strategic, and security reasons, not theology. The 1967 capture happened in a defensive war against Jordan (which had illegally occupied the area 1948–1967). This isn’t equivalent to, say, European settlers arriving in a distant continent with no prior ties.
AI also says…
Climate change is scientifically real and primarily driven by human activities. The Earth’s average global temperature has risen significantly over the past century, and this rapid warming is causing long-term shifts in global weather patterns and ecosystems
NO, AI is just copying Alarmist Mantra.
You have lost of “A” , but lack the “I” to understand that fact.
I guess the fossil fuel climate crisis is now well and truly over. There have been a lot of TV ads lately hyping “Fire Suite Venu” investments. Large outdoor concert venues with hundreds of natural gas decorative fire places for groups of 4 -12. Definitely aimed at wealthy younger people willing to pay triple digits for concert tickets. Being pushed by spokes former quarterback Troy Aikman. Already several big stadiums around the US and being hyped as a “triple net income” investment. Anyone aware of backlash from the CAGCC usual suspects? Surely, liberals will find a way to get these banned. Where are Al Gore, Bill Nye and Michael Mann?
What could go wrong?
https://thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/google-to-dump-32-million-diseased-ai-bred-mosquitoes-on-florida-and-california/
Data centers and AI will make enormous demands on the power system, even if the grid supporting service to residences and commerce is just used to wheel the power. However, the much bigger issue, and it could occur by stealth, is convincing (or coercing) everyone to install heat pumps for residential, commercial and industrial heat.
Trump Admin Renames Iran’s $300 Billion Reparations Demand an ‘Investment Fund’ to Avoid a Political Firestorm at Home
https://www.ibtimes.com/trump-admin-renames-irans-300-billion-reparations-demand-investment-fund-avoid-political-3803535
A draft memorandum of understanding between the United States and Iran, reported by the New York Times on 28 May 2026, includes a proposed £224 billion ($300 billion) reconstruction mechanism for Iran. The fund’s inclusion follows months of negotiations to end the 2026 US-Iran war, during which Tehran had explicitly demanded reparations for bombardment damage that some Iranian officials estimate at between £224 billion ($300 billion) and £745 billion ($1 trillion).
ADMIN – please be warned that TD Bank’s “fraud prevention centre” has you on a list of fraudsters and has actively blocked my last 2 or 3 payments in Canada. Last month I went through a human representative and requested you be white-listed. Today they refused another planned, automated payment. I once again approved the transaction (they call your site a “news or magazine store”). If they try again next month I’ll go straight to a manager.
TD has a shameful record this decade after debanking Convoy protesters in Canada in direct contradiction of Canadian law. They are continuing this old-style Fascist (partnership with government of the day) control. I’ve been dealing with them for over 30 years but am very close to leaving because of these political controls.
I’m probably alone in this, but in the U.S., there is a bill in our Federal legislature that would make “Daylight” Savings Time year-round.
This is absurd. Standard Time has an astronomical basis (it’s called “A.M.” or ante-meridian, and “P.M.” or post-meridian), whereas “Daylight” time completely destroys these definitions.
If we are to stop the semi-annual insanity of clock-time change, we should go to Standard Time, and leave it there.
But too many brainwashed want us on “Daylight” time year-round.
If I’ve heard the summaries correctly, individual States would have the option to follow their own path on this. I know Arizona is year-round Standard time, and to my knowledge, it has worked just fine there.
I welcome discussion from all WUWT’ers on this.
I don’t care which it is. Settle on GMT as the standard everywhere if you want and we can adjust our work hours accordingly.
Just stop changing it twice a year.
More suckers:
West Coast Corridor Resiliency Partnership | WCCRP
Photos are from a severe weather event in November of 2000, of Highway 7 north of the Fraser River and of the Coquihalla freeway north of Hope BC.
Research meteorologist Cliff Mass explained about the heat of June 2021 and the rains of November 2021 that sometimes factors add up instead of partly cancelling each other.
(Mission city is on H7, Abbotsford and Chilliwack are in the upper Fraser Valley which flooded again because Abbotsford had spent on things other than maintaining dikes – never mind a warning from the Nooksack River 11 years earlier. Hope is just beyond the upper end of the valley. Merritt is to NNE of Hope in a valley with tributary of the Fraser River, Princeton is east of Hope, vulnerable to a river there (Tulameen/Similkameen) – happened years before.
Canada’s Net-Zero Push Faces Scrutiny as Evidence of Economic Damage Mounts – USSA News | The Tea Party’s Front Page.
With graph of investment in Athabaska oil sands versus year.
Weather varies:
Syria, Iraq were running out of water, now dams are flooding | The Jerusalem Post
of course we view those areas as inherently fry, like the southwest US perhaps, but like there they have substantive mountains.
Water conservation is useful, Israel is very good at that, research into desalination continues.
Headed back to the car after processing a return at Home Depot.
Starting to rain.
The convective and latent heat rising from the pavement is obvious, no need for a PhD.
A PhD is needed to complicate this into a million-dollar grant and denigrate us unqualified losers.
Temperature is a function of the kinetic processes, conduction, convection, advection (wind), latent (evap & cond).
Radiation is a function of temperature. As kinetic processes increase/decrease, temperature decreases/increase as does radiation.
This precludes the Earth’s surface redating as a 396 BB which requires all heat be radiative.
As demonstrated by experiment, the gold standard of classical science.
For the experimental write up see:
https://principia-scientific.org/debunking-the-greenhouse-gas-theory-with-a-boiling-water-pot/
Search: Bruges group “boiling water pot” Schroeder