The long run of RCP8.5 has come to an end
For more than a decade, anyone paying attention to how climate science has been communicated, not just conducted, has seen a peculiar pattern. A single scenario, RCP8.5, steadily migrated from a deliberately extreme modeling construct into something else entirely: a default storyline.
Originally, RCP8.5 was never intended to represent a likely future. It was a high-end boundary case—useful for stress-testing models, exploring sensitivities, and asking “what if?” questions under aggressive forcing assumptions. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. Science needs bounding cases.
The problem arose in how it was used…and abused.
Somewhere along the way, RCP8.5 was relabeled—quietly at first, then routinely—as “business-as-usual.” That phrase carries weight. It implies plausibility. It suggests continuity with observed trends. And once that label took hold, it became a convenient foundation for a vast amount of downstream work.
From there, the amplification cycle was predictable:
- Academic papers used RCP8.5 as a central or default scenario
- Media outlets highlighted the most dramatic findings in doomsday tones
- Journalists reported those findings with minimal context
- Policymakers cited the results as evidence of likely terrible futures
The distinction between exploratory scenario and probable trajectory blurred, then largely disappeared.
By the late 2010s, RCP8.5 had become the backbone of countless headlines—sea level rise projections, extreme heat claims, agricultural collapse scenarios, economic damage estimates—all frequently tied to a pathway that required assumptions about coal use, population growth, and technological stagnation that were increasingly at odds with real-world data.
This wasn’t a fringe concern. Researchers themselves began raising flags. Papers in the peer-reviewed literature pointed out that RCP8.5’s fossil fuel requirements were difficult to reconcile with known reserves, that its demographic assumptions were outdated, and that emissions trends were already diverging from its trajectory.
Yet the scenario persisted—not because the evidence supported its centrality, but because it was embedded. In models. In datasets. In institutional frameworks. In narratives.
It proved useful, for the “useful idiots.” And usefulness, particularly when it aligns with compelling storytelling, has a way of outlasting scrutiny.
What we are now seeing with CMIP7 is not a sudden discovery, but a delayed acknowledgment that climate science was wrong. The modeling community has finally moved on from treating these extreme pathways as central cases. That shift is significant, even if it arrives years after the underlying issues were widely understood.
The question now is not whether RCP8.5 was misapplied—it clearly was—but how long it will take for that realization to propagate through the layers of research, reporting, and policy that were built upon it.
Here are salient points about what has occurred.
Roger Pielke Jr.’s recent analysis, “RCP8.5 is Officially Dead,” highlights what may prove to be one of the most consequential course corrections in modern climate research: the formal abandonment of the highest emissions scenarios—RCP8.5, SSP5-8.5, and SSP3-7.0—by the ScenarioMIP team underpinning CMIP7.
This is not a minor technical adjustment. It directly affects the boundary conditions used in climate models, which in turn propagate through impact studies, risk assessments, and policy frameworks worldwide.
Let’s walk through what has changed—and what hasn’t.
1. The End of “Business-as-Usual” High-End Scenarios
The central scientific development comes from Van Vuuren et al. (2026), who state plainly: “the CMIP6 high emission levels (quantified by SSP5-8.5) have become implausible”
That word—implausible—is doing a lot of work.
For over a decade, RCP8.5 (and later SSP5-8.5) was widely described in the literature as a “business-as-usual” (BAU) trajectory. Yet the assumptions underlying it were extreme:
- Massive expansion of coal use (roughly 5× increase by 2100)
- Very high population growth
- Minimal technological change or policy evolution
As early as 2017, critiques began appearing in the literature. For example:
- Ritchie & Dowlatabadi (2017) argued RCP8.5 required “extraordinary” fossil fuel use inconsistent with resource constraints.
- Hausfather & Peters (2020, Nature) noted that RCP8.5 “should not be used as a no-policy baseline” and is better treated as a worst-case scenario.
Yet despite these warnings, the scenario became deeply embedded in:
- Impact studies
- Media narratives
- Government risk assessments
CMIP7 now quietly removes it from the official scenario set.
2. A Compressed Emissions Range
The chart compiled by Pielke shows the core quantitative shift.

Key numbers:
- SSP5-8.5: ~128 Gt CO₂/year by 2100
- CMIP7 HIGH: ~71 Gt CO₂/year by 2100
That is nearly a 45% reduction in projected peak emissions.
Cumulative emissions tell the same story (table on page 5):

- SSP5-8.5: ~7,676 Gt CO₂ (2020–2100)
- CMIP7 HIGH: ~4,629 Gt CO₂
That is a reduction of ~40% !!
This compression reflects:
- Updated energy system trends
- Slower-than-assumed population growth (in most datasets)
- Empirical emissions trajectories that have diverged from earlier worst-case pathways
The result is a narrower—and arguably more realistic—range of future climate forcing, assuming the forcing is actually there in the first place.
3. Temperature Projections: Downward Adjustments
Using the FaIR v2.2 emulator, Pielke shows:
- SSP5-8.5: ~3.9°C warming (updated) vs 4.4°C in AR6
- CMIP7 HIGH: ~3.0°C
- CMIP7 MEDIUM: ~2.5°C
Two points matter here:
(a) Updated baselines reduce warming
The shift from 2014 to 2023 emissions baselines lowers projected warming across scenarios. This aligns with broader findings that near-term emissions have tracked closer to intermediate scenarios than extreme ones (IEA, 2023; IPCC AR6 WG1 Chapter 4).
(b) The “worst case” is now substantially cooler
CMIP7 HIGH is:
- ~0.9°C cooler than SSP5-8.5 (like-for-like comparison)
- ~1.4°C cooler than AR6 headline values
That is not trivial—it materially alters downstream impact estimates.
4. The Role of Demographics: A Hidden Driver
One of the more technical insights comes from the population assumptions embedded in SSP3.
From the table on page 8 of Pielke’s post:
- SSP3 population rises to 14.5 billion by 2100 (2024 update)
This is well above most mainstream demographic projections:
- UN World Population Prospects (2022): ~10.4 billion peak
- IIASA median pathways: significantly lower than SSP3
Pielke’s sensitivity test shows:
- Holding per-capita emissions constant but using lower population trajectories reduces warming by ~0.6°C.
This highlights a key scientific point: Emissions scenarios are as much about socioeconomics as physics.
Climate projections are not purely radiative transfer problems—they are conditional on assumptions about:
- Fertility rates
- Economic growth
- Technology diffusion
If those assumptions are unrealistic, the resulting climate projections inherit that bias.
5. The “Plausibility Vacuum” Problem
A recurring critique—originally articulated by Ritchie and others—is that scenario construction lacks systematic plausibility checks. Pielke summarizes this as a “plausibility vacuum”:
- RCPs specified radiative forcing first
- Socioeconomic pathways were backfilled later
- Internal consistency was not rigorously enforced
Even in CMIP7:
- Scenarios still inherit SSP storylines
- No formal validation against real-world energy or demographic trends is performed
This is not a trivial methodological issue. It affects:
- Model boundary conditions
- Ensemble spread
- Policy-relevant conclusions
As IPCC AR6 acknowledges (WG1, Chapter 1), scenarios are “not predictions” but conditional pathways. The difficulty arises when conditional pathways are treated as likely futures.
6. The “Medium” Scenario: Not Quite “Current Policy”
The CMIP7 MEDIUM scenario is described as reflecting current policies. But comparison with IEA projections (page 11 table in Pielke’s post) shows divergence:
- IEA STEPS: emissions fall below 30 Gt CO₂ by 2050
- CMIP7 MEDIUM: ~41 Gt by 2050, rising thereafter
This suggests:
- CMIP7 MEDIUM behaves more like policy stagnation than actual policy continuation
On an apples-to-apples basis:
- CMIP7 MEDIUM produces ~0.1–0.2°C more warming than SSP2-4.5 (when aligned to the same baseline)
That may sound small, but in climate modeling terms it is meaningful—especially when used for impact assessments.
7. Policy Implications: Legacy Scenarios Still Embedded
Perhaps the most consequential issue is institutional inertia. As shown in the table on page 14, RCP8.5 and SSP5-8.5 remain embedded in:
- National climate assessments (U.S., UK, EU, etc.)
- Central bank stress tests (NGFS frameworks)
- World Bank and FAO datasets
This creates a lag between:
- Scientific updates
- Policy frameworks built on older assumptions
The result is that risk assessments may continue to rely on scenarios now considered implausible by the very community that produced them.
8. What This Means Going Forward
Several conclusions emerge:
1. A genuine scientific correction has occurred
The removal of RCP8.5-class scenarios reflects:
- Empirical mismatch with observed trends
- Growing recognition of unrealistic assumptions
2. The upper bound of projected warming has shifted downward
Not eliminated—but constrained.
3. Scenario construction remains methodologically incomplete
The lack of systematic plausibility checks persists.
4. Policy frameworks lag behind science
Legacy scenarios continue to influence decisions despite updated understanding.
Final Thoughts
Climate science is often described as self-correcting. This episode provides a concrete example. It took nearly a decade from widespread critique to formal adjustment. Whether that timeline is acceptable is a separate discussion. Personally I think it wasn’t, and it reveals the serious confirmation bias that pervades the climate science community.
What matters scientifically is that:
- The most extreme emissions pathways are no longer treated as central or likely
- The scenario space has narrowed
- The dependence of projections on socioeconomic assumptions is more visible than ever
- Media outlets can no longer cite RCP8.5 as a doomsday scenario, but they will try for awhile.
The next step is straightforward in principle, though perhaps less so in practice: align research, assessments, and policy tools with the updated scenario framework, and apply far more scrutiny to the assumptions that drive these models in the first place.
Because in the end, climate projections are only as robust as the scenarios that feed them. RCP8.5 is mostly dead, let’s hope it becomes truly dead.
What better case could be found to prosecute the untruthful “scientists” and other players in law courts for deliberate, knowing deception in order to gain money by deceit.
The deceit has had a severe effect on the ways that the public regard science and scientists. Before 8.5, science was not often discussed as being corrupted. Scientists held a high place in the professions. After 8.5, along with the wider corruption of science with the climate change “con” (the word chosen by the US President) more of the public thought that gaming a system for money was common in science. The public was shown clear examples of the dominant choice of 8.5 in modelling global warming and climate change as the “business as usual” scenario, when it was known from the start that it could not and would not happen in reality.
One consequence of this deliberate deceit is now with us, with some countries paying the extremely high costs of demonizing “fossil fuels” and mandating “renewable energy”.
The designers, instigators and pushers of 8.5 appear to be well identified. Little except political will or lack thereof prevents the immediate start to investigation and when warranted, prosecution. The amount of money involved in this deceit is orders of magnitude greater than average for con jobs. So many innocent people have lost significant money and standards of living that it is hard to imagine why punishment should not take place. Future rip offs will increase unless a stand is made now with 8.5 crimes.
Geoff S
Geoff, to my amateur understanding on all this, RCP8.5 was the equivalent of falsified minerals assays being used for enticing investments from mining companies.
Fortunately, switched-on miners did their diligence, and assays ‘scammers’ became a thing of the past, relegated to the level of snake-oil tent show spruikers.
Not so much with the RCP8.5 naivete.
Sounds like a RICO case to me, and the evidence is available all over the show – they published a lot of it! One of the centres of coordination is the Potsdam Institute. This seems to have been home to a nest of climate vipers who endlessly pushed what they knew to be fantastical scenarios always accompanied by doom and gloom and condemnation of those who didn’t agree. They coordinated the destruction of careers and the silencing of common sense investigations, and it is not going too far to say they demonized opposition to their ideologies.
I am a little more forgiving of the editors of journals when they were shaken down by a coordinated attack from large institutions. A shake-down means pay or die – they didn’t have a lot of choice, but they should not get off scot-free for being cowards. All they had to do was publish some reasonable assessments instead of delaying them for 24 months, then saying they were out of date.
There is plenty of accountability to go round. Get busy.
Your description fits the definition of accessory to the crime.
Any “RCP” that is based on CO2 emissions is junk science from the start. !
Thank you for pointing out the core issue. This is important. From the very start, no one has had any valid way to determine that a climate “forcing” operates at all, from the improved IR absorption of incremental CO2.
“Forcing” and “forcing function” are included in the list of the Tran-Reality Activist lexicon which hijacked legitimate science and engineering terminology (clear and concise definitions), repurposed those terms and redefined them with fluid social/common context derived definitions that do not align with reality.
The econ equivalent of that would be s forecast of a great depression 2 that never happened or an annual recession call. Those are apparently trashed more quickly than in climate science and climate media circles.
And I don’t mean just the defunct prediction itself but also the shamed issuers.
I am curious about the lack, for years, of discussion of the solar system cycles that have been well established as contributing to the profound changes in the climate of the earth over millions of years. Why is the work of Valentina Zharkova totally ignored?
I cannot find much about the solar magnetic cycle in the last 5 years, do you think that work on the natural mechanisms which produced those changes before humans used fossil fuel is irrelevant?
Do not let debunking the utterly inadequate models take up all the attention, it is important to do the research on the natural cycles and get that work out into the public domain.
Thanks Anthony.
A genuine scientific correction has occurred, although this RCP8.5 sausage never should have happened.
Over the past few decades, whenever a “science” paper has relied on 8.5, I have queried it’s use with the lead author.
One response from Dr Elizabeth Kendon (Variability conceals emerging trend in 100yr projections of UK local hourly rainfall extremes, Kendon et al 2023), simply stated:
In other words, they are quietly continuing to promote and justify the use of a scenario that they themselves admit is increasingly unrealistic. This is not genuine precaution — it’s alarmism dressed up as prudence.
Can we assume that all papers relying on RCP8.5 will now be withdrawn?
“Can we assume that all papers relying on RCP8.5 will now be withdrawn?”
Nope….. they will be cited multiple times in future climate scare papers.
I’d expect more of them not less.
I have always regarded papers which used RCP8.5 as fraudulent and the authors should be prosecuted.
No.
The various “emission pathways” are drawn up by Working Group Three (WG-III, the “Mitigation” part of the IPCC triptych), which are then fed into the climate models by the members of WG-I (the “Scientific Basis” part).
The resulting “doom and gloom” model outputs are then used by WG-II (Adaptation) and WG-III (Mitigation) to lecture everyone on the “best” ways to reduce GHG emissions and achieve nirvana … I’m slightly paraphrasing there.
By AR6, published in 2021 and 2022, it was clear that the old (CMIP5) RCP 8.5 “high-end pathway” and the new (CMIP6) SSP5-8.5 and SSP3-7.0 replacements were all “counterfactual” (see the WG-I report, section 1.6.1.4, “The likelihood of reference scenarios, scenario uncertainty and storylines”, page 239).
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The “justifications” for continuing to use “high-end emission scenarios” are summarised in FAQ 3.3, “How plausible are high emissions scenarios, and how do they inform policy?”, on page 386 of the AR6 WG-III assessment report :
For purely abstract academic “papers” that are simply “exploring the high-end risks of climate change”, these “high-end scenarios (like RCP8.5)” can be “very useful” and therefore must not be “ruled out”.
If in reality unwanted results like “higher than anticipated … economic growth” were to occur, the IPCC will always be there to tell everyone the best ways to “mitigate” against them.
Should have used the /sarc tag
RCP8.5 is used in policies worldwide to justify all the bs being forced on us as other projections don’t produce scary scenarios.
The whole thing should be scrapped
It don’t seem to matter if you just smother the reader and cover with caveats. In examining some of Cook’s papers I wonder how much they are important. Even with great proxies, this seems to be too much! Nielsen-Gammon quotes him a lot. I may be biased. Hoese, H. D. 1960. Biotic changes in a bay associated with the end of a drought. Limnology and Oceanography. 5:326-336.
Cook, B. I., Ault, T. R., & Smerdon, J. E. (2015). Unprecedented 21st century drought risk in the American Southwest and Central Plains. Science Advances, 1(1), e1400082.
https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.1400082
“…..however, there is ≥80% chance of a multidecadal drought during 2050–2099 for PDSI[Palmer drought severity index] and SM-30cm [Soil moisture] in the Central Plains and for all three moisture metrics in the Southwest. Drought risk is reduced slightly in RCP 4.5 (fig. S13)…….Here, we have demonstrated that the mean state of drought in the late 21st century over the Central Plains and Southwest will likely exceed even the most severe megadrought periods of the Medieval era in both high and moderate future emissions scenarios, representing an unprecedented fundamental climate shift with respect to the last millennium…”
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OK, so RCP8.5 might finally go away as the poster-child scenario of imaginary doom. But wait. Why do many skeptics of climate alarm still concede that *some* of the reported warming trend can be justifiably attributed to incremental CO2, CH4, N2O? When considered within the proper context of the dynamics of the general circulation, there never has been a good reason to expect a perceptible influence on “warming” or on trends of ANY climate variable.
Simpson and Brunt pointed out the reasons in 1938. More here.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/15/open-thread-181/#comment-4174555
Modern numerical modeling of the general circulation is based on the physics of compressible flow. For example, the ERA5 reanalysis model includes a computed hourly parameter “vertical integral of energy conversion.” The so-called “forcing” – it really is not a “forcing” at all – for the 2XCO2 case is a small fraction of the thickness of the index mark at zero on the vertical axis of this plot of the daily min/max values of that parameter for latitude 45N for all of 2022. The plot is annotated with a brief explanation of “energy conversion.”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1knv0YdUyIgyR9Mwk3jGJwccIGHv38J33/view?usp=drive_link
Can the influence of incremental CO2 on the climate system ever be reliably determined to differ from “no effect” in the end result? No. Spectrographic theory and observation are not capable of giving an answer.
Thank you for considering this empirical reality check.
It’s on the Internet. Nothing on the Internet ever goes away.
Fair point.
Correction. RCP 8.5 was always meant to become mainstream by its creators. To the think otherwise is is giving a pass to scientific malfeasance.
Pielke’s article is well worth reading in total.
In it he mentions that it is not all good news: The Medium scenario is above our current
trend and it includes a prediction of global population going well over 13 billion. Not realistic.
[Full disclosure: I am a paying subscriber to his substack blog; and if you like his work the yearly price will be going up June 1st]
RCP6 is also wildly unrealistic.