Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach (@WEschenbach on X)
Let’s get something straight: this new study entitled Equatorial Atlantic mid-depth warming indicates Atlantic meridional overturning circulation slowdown, hot off the Nature presses and already getting the full catastrophe-trending treatment, claims that mysterious “mid-depth warming” in the equatorial Atlantic—between 1,000 and 2,000 meters down—is the long-sought “fingerprint” proving that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) has been slowing since the 1990s.
According to the authors, this subsurface warming is more “reliable” than surface measurements, cleaner than the noise-soaked sea surface temperatures everyone’s been arguing about for years, and—conveniently—it fits right into the climate alarm narrative that the AMOC is heading for catastrophic collapse. If you buy this story, you’re supposed to panic now, because the collapse might already be underway, the tipping point looms, and we’re all headed for Day After Tomorrow ice-age-in-a-week horror.
There’s just one problem: the whole edifice is built on model outputs, selective data interpretation, circular reasoning, and a studied refusal to acknowledge that the AMOC might be doing just fine.
Let’s start with the foundation. The authors run the MIT General Circulation Model (MITgcm) using forcing data pulled from CMIP6 climate model simulations under a quadrupled CO₂ scenario—because apparently we needed more hypotheticals stacked on hypotheticals. Of course, there’s not enough fossil fuels on the planet to lead to a quadrupled CO₂ level, but pay no attention to the man behind the curtain …
Then they impose abrupt changes in wind stress, sea surface temperature, and sea surface salinity, taken straight from models that already assume an AMOC slowdown, and—surprise!—the model dutifully spits out a slowdown and equatorial warming. It’s the scientific equivalent of asking a parrot to repeat what you just taught it, then claiming the parrot discovered language.
The “experiments” (BUOY, BUOY-NA, SSS-NA) are all variations on a theme: fiddle with surface forcing, watch the model respond in pre-cooked ways, then cherry-pick the results that support the thesis. Want mid-depth warming? Easy—force in North Atlantic freshening (which the CMIP6 models already baked in as part of their AMOC-weakening scenarios), sit back, and let “baroclinic Kelvin waves” do the propagation magic. It’s not an independent test of the hypothesis; it’s a self-fulfilling simulation.
The study’s logic runs in a perfect circle.
Step one: assume the CMIP6 models (which all project AMOC weakening under CO₂ forcing) are correct.
Step two: use those same models’ outputs as forcing for your ocean model.
Step three: when your ocean model shows equatorial warming, declare that this warming is the “fingerprint” of AMOC slowdown.
Step four: find warming in the observational data.
Step five: conclude the AMOC must be slowing because you found the “fingerprint.”
At no point do they test whether the warming could be driven by anything other than AMOC changes—such as, oh, I don’t know, local wind patterns, El Niño teleconnections, subsurface advection from other basins, or the natural variability that the equatorial Atlantic is famous for.
The authors triumphantly point to warming trends in gridded datasets (WOA, Argo, IAP, Ishii, EN4) showing 0.14°C of mid-depth warming from 1960 to 2020. Sounds impressive until you realize: (1) pre-1980 subsurface data in the equatorial Atlantic is sparse, riddled with gaps, and heavily interpolated; (2) Argo floats only started coverage in 2004, so the “robust” trend is mostly a post-millennial artifact; and (3) the “signal-to-noise” ratio they’re so proud of is high precisely because mid-depth waters have high thermal inertia—meaning the warming could be a slow, cumulative response to anything, not necessarily AMOC changes.
Moreover, the study conveniently ignores a major new finding published just this year in Nature: an independent reconstruction using air-sea heat flux data concluded that the AMOC has not declined over the past 60 years and is more stable than previously thought. That study, from Woods Hole, directly contradicts the premise here and suggests that relying on SST proxies (the very thing this new study is trying to replace) was always the problem—not because the AMOC is weakening, but because SSTs are lousy proxies in the first place.
Yes, baroclinic Kelvin waves are real, and yes, they can propagate warming signals from the subpolar North Atlantic down the western boundary and across the equator. The authors make a big deal about “rapid adjustment” and “dynamical signals,” invoking vertical mode decomposition and wave speeds to lend scientific gravitas. But here’s what they don’t tell you: the equatorial Atlantic is also subject to wind-driven upwelling, Atlantic Niño/Niña variability, off-equatorial Rossby wave adjustments from the northwestern tropical Atlantic (not the subpolar regions), and teleconnections from the Pacific. Multiple studies have shown that equatorial Atlantic warming is more consistently linked to local and regional processes—especially wind stress curl anomalies associated with the Atlantic Meridional Mode—than to remote AMOC forcing.
The fact that their passive tracer experiment (BUOY-NA-passive) shows minimal mid-depth warming from mean circulation alone doesn’t rule out these other mechanisms—it just means their model setup didn’t include them.
The authors claim the warming “emerged” from natural variability around 2001, with a signal-to-noise ratio exceeding their arbitrary threshold of 4 (99.9% confidence). But “time of emergence” is a model-dependent metric that depends entirely on how you define “signal” and “noise.” They define signal as the linear trend and noise as detrended variability—which guarantees that any long-term drift, regardless of cause, will eventually “emerge.” It’s a statistical trick that makes any monotonic change look significant if you wait long enough.
The study buries or ignores inconvenient facts. For instance:
- The subpolar North Atlantic “cold blob” (the supposed surface fingerprint of AMOC slowdown) has been highly variable and even disappeared in recent years.
- Direct AMOC measurements from the RAPID array show large interannual variability with no clear long-term trend since 2004.
- A 2025 Nature study entitled “Continued Atlantic overturning circulation even under climate extremes” using 34 CMIP6 models found that the AMOC does not collapse even under extreme greenhouse forcing and freshwater input—it just weakens and stabilizes at a lower level.
- Multiple lines of evidence (including paleo-proxies and modern reanalysis) suggest the AMOC has been relatively stable over the instrumental period, with most of the “weakening” claims based on noisy, short-term SST datasets.
This isn’t dispassionate science. It’s model-driven alarmism dressed up in the language of “fingerprints” and “dynamical mechanisms.” The authors want you to believe that a few tenths of a degree of subsurface warming—detectable only after heroic interpolation and smoothing of sparse data—is the smoking gun for an AMOC on the brink. They invoke “tipping points,” cite scary projections of 2 Sv decline since the 1950s, and darkly hint that we’re already past the point of no return.
But the data don’t support it, the models are unreliable, and the alternative explanations are everywhere if you’re willing to look. The equatorial Atlantic warms for lots of reasons—most of them having nothing to do with the AMOC. This study cherry-picks one mechanism, builds an entire edifice on model outputs that assume what they’re trying to prove, and then declares victory because gridded datasets (with all their uncertainties) show a trend.
If you want to monitor the AMOC, measure it directly. Don’t use proxy tea-leaves from a noisy, complex region, filtered through biased models, and call it a “superior fingerprint.” This is climate science at its worst: models all the way down, confirmation bias all the way up, and a conclusion tailor-made for the next round of climate crisis headlines. The AMOC is probably fine. The real collapse is in scientific skepticism.
Seems like as the climate alarmism grift collapses, the claims get more outrageous. Meanwhile, here’s the situation in the real world …

My very best to everyone,
w.
PS—As is my wont, I ask that when you comment you quote the EXACT WORDS you are discussing. I can defend my words. I can’t defend your interpretation of my words. Thanks.
At least twice per year on resubmission…
It’s models, all the way down.
Did they model the global circulation on the picture at the start? I always thought that the Gulf Stream originated in the Gulf of Mexico, not in the Gulf of Guinea.
No, it originates in the Gulf of America.
Gulf Stream is surface as part of a clockwise current. Try this one, North Atlantic Oscillation–1880s, 1960s, next ??. Marsh, R., B. et al. 1999. The 1882 tilefish kill — a cold event in shelf waters off the north-eastern United States? Fisheries Oceanography. 8(1): 39-49. https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1365-2419.1999.00092.x
The sad part of this is sketchy so called ‘science’ like this gets press. I venture to guess 99% of the people don’t even know what AMOC is/does/stands for yet fall for the fear factor.
Well, climate and everything else went AMOC after they heard that the co2 molecule goes around.
No stone was left unturned.
Be it arctic ice, storms , streams ,rain, snow , sea levelsetc etc.
And it wasn’t just a significant change , but every single one of them would end up in a total catastrophe.
Some crazy guys claim that most of the stuff is made up or just part of natural cycles or fluctuations sold to as sensation.
As an AGW believer I say : Let the climate die.
Something so fragile shouldn’t exist in the 1st place.
Good post Willis, thanks. I’ve come to believe that ocean circulation is the key to earth’s energy balance. I highly recommend watching Javier Vinos present his view on how ocean circulation plays a huge role in the energy balance. If heat is transported to the poles by ocean currents, there is little water vapor in the atmosphere to trap that heat and it radiates to space. If this continues for extended periods of time, the earth begins to lose energy in this way until we enter another ice age. It’s a really fascinating thing to consider.
Yes, and I believe this is a major factor in the 1000 year macrocycling of the earth’s temperatures in the last 5000 years reflected in the Minoan Warm Period-Greek Dark Ages-Roman Warm Period-Post Divinity Dark Ages-Medieval Warm Period-Little Ice Age-Modern Warm Period. Which of course has nothing to do with CO2. More garbage from a garbage journal (Nature)-Wait, didn’t I just say this in another post….?
It’s time to model the generational costs of climate scam research, using all models and no data.
The diagramme at the top of the post showing red surface currents doesn’t show the Gulf Stream / N. Atlantic Drift which I always understood was driven by the N. Atlantic trade winds pushing the water into the Caribbean and then out of the Florida Strait into the Atlantic.
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“There’s just one problem: the whole edifice is built on model outputs, selective data interpretation, circular reasoning, and a studied refusal to acknowledge that the AMOC might be doing just fine.”
So why the hell can’t Nature’s peer reviewers understand that?
Because it would end the climo-political-business money overturning circulation (CMOC).
Joseph, Upton Sinclair gave a clear answer to that a while ago:
‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.’
w.
Nature should publish that image of your thermometer.
So, they have no physical proof of their claims, they just say so. Got it.
Slightly as an aside, but applicable.
Currently, I am stressing the hypothesis that formal estimation of measurement uncertainty, as described in GUM from the International Bureau of Weights and Measures, cannot be validly used for other than original measurements – not for adjusted numbers, not for interpolated values, not for guesses about numbers like temperatures.
There could be a need for an extensive overhaul of how proper uncertainty can be estimated in the Earth Sciences, including measurements of the oceans by Argo probes, whose performance has long seemed to me to be too good to be true. Geoff S
Good comment Geoff. It didn’t take me long to reach the same conclusion a decade before. Engineers and scientists live and die by measurements. They must be accurate, as precise as possible, and most important, with a known variance. Known variances are needed to assess tolerances and sensitivity testing.
It is why the Challenger exploded and Apollo 13 nearly died. Why didn’t NASA have a chart in their flight manual that showed the sealing capability versus temperature? Why didn’t some engineer recognize that a failed part in the fuel storage could cause a violent explosion and prepare a solution? Measurements, measurements, measurements.
Actual physical measurements tell you how the world goes around. Not guesses, not computer simulations which at heart are really guesses. Not long after my graduation, computer design of circuits began to appear. They were fun to use but their results were based on theory and not real world measurements.
As a youth I was inspired by Robert Heinlein …
Works for me …
w.
I think my favorite Heinlein quote is fro one of his novels.
The Apollo engineers did realize that a failed part in the O2 tank could cause an explosion, that’s why they insulated the wiring inside the tank so they couldn’t short circuit.
What they didn’t anticipate was someone running a test on a 12V part with a 24V rig.
That caused a short by overheating the part and burning the insulation.
Could you argue that they should have used heavier insulation? Yes you could, but remember rockets need to be as light as possible.
I believe the fix was to redesign the connector, so that 12V connectors are physically different from a 24V connector, so that it is now impossible to hook the wrong equipment to a tank.
Still, it was an oversight in safety to not include a verification step and checkoff in the assembly process.
As I recall from back then, the engineers warned NASA management that it was too cold, cold below the o-ring sealing temperature, for a launch. The warnings were ignored.
mysterious “mid-depth warming”
Ancient astronaut theorists have shown that mysterious “mid-depth warming” is attributable to USOs. Hot technology.
At first I took the title “Nature Claims Their Circulation is Deceasing” as referring to their subscription numbers. Wouldn’t be surprised if that were true. But, as usual an excellent W.E. post taking apart more alarmist nonsense no doubt timed to coincide with COP30. Very well done.
“At first I took the title “Nature Claims Their Circulation is Deceasing” as referring to their subscription numbers.”
That’s what I thought, too. 🙂
Good post Willis! A couple of thoughts.
What about variations in incoming solar radiation, as in the most active sun in the last 1000 years that occurred in the latter half of the 20th century. And the fact that three quarters of the solar energy that reaches the earth’s surface is absorbed by the oceans. And much of this solar energy is absorbed at depth.
Nobody, in any of their calculations, tries to estimate the forces involved in modifying the ocean currents. Your graphic, at the top of the article, portrays the Global Conveyor Belt. Using a rough calculation, I estimate that the mass of water involved in this circulation is about 20 000 trillion (2 * 10^16) tonnes. How long would it take for the few small changes at the surface, that the author’s cite, to alter the flow of such an enormous mass of water. No wonder that ;an independent reconstruction using air-sea heat flux data concluded that the AMOC has not declined over the past 60 years and is more stable than previously thought’.
Well, at least some models do disagree. “Upwelling in the Southern Ocean, driven by persistent Southern Ocean winds, sustains a weakened AMOC in all cases, preventing its complete collapse.”.
As a slight digression, here’s a paper that challenges the model-based idea that an AMOC failure caused the Younger Dryas: Freshwater forcing of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation revisited They say that the modellers had to force impossible ice melt into the models in order to get AMOC to do what they wanted. Sounds familiar?
Other recent studies don’t find evidence for the AMOC slowing down. Before one can assign blame to ‘Unicorns,’ one must firmly establish that unicorns exist and can perform magic.
https://scitechdaily.com/how-the-florida-current-has-defied-changes-for-40-years/
https://scitechdaily.com/climate-puzzle-scientists-uncover-mysterious-halt-in-the-atlantic-conveyor-belt-slowdown/
https://scitechdaily.com/defying-doomsday-forecasts-critical-ocean-current-is-still-going-strong-after-60-years/
I find great skepticism in this freshwater melt theory on the fact that the oceans, with up to 2m more water under a warmer earth, failed to plunge stop or appreciably slow the current.
This story is now widely reported and just in time for the blizzard conditions forecast for Europe and the UK.
The modellers will claim this is an early indication that they were right and winters will get colder.
The problem is that they forecast there would be no snow. And this boreal cooler season has already set numerous daily snow records. So there is more snow, not less, and they need to change their story line.
The models have to be based on solar power, not solar energy to produce useful results. The annual solar energy input over Europe is not changing much but there is more in summer and less in winter. And that difference is gradually increasing.
Of course the end game is re-glaciation of the NH but it is a long way off yet. So far only Greenland is gaining altitude.
And yet another generation of children know what snow is.
According to COP30,, Greenland is losing ice mass.
GIGO–what passes for science in some circles these days.
I have no doubt that Nature’s circulation is decreasing. My models show it dwindling to zero.
That thought came to my mind as well.
The Gulf Stream and AMOC carry vast amounts of heat to northern Europe, making what would otherwise be extremely inhospitable climates much nicer. That heat transport is the reason Stockholm, Oslo, and northern Scotland are habitable by people, rather than by polar bears, like Hudson Bay, which is at about the same latitude.
So one of the ways that we can tell that the Gulf Stream and AMOC have NOT significantly slowed is that Europe is not getting colder. (That’s good thing: two fortuitously mild winters in a row enabled Germany to endure the sudden cutoff of Russian natural gas.)
Observations? Sheesh, how antiquated. Next you will be telling me that tide guages should not be used as indications of SL rise when we have satelities and expensive numbers derived from models of satelite readings to tell us to panic.
Climate Science, where all outcomes are cause to panic – eh that is, cause to fund us.
‘junk science’ are the words you were looking for for.
All the world’s a stage for climate theatrics.
And all the clowns merlily modelers.
Nature Claims Their Circulation Is Decreasing
Time for a subscription drive.
AI said it is a sign of impotence.
They should just get up and walk around. Maybe they’ll see that there is no crisis, apart from a crisis of alarmism.
The link to the Science paper doesn’t work for me. “https://wattsupwiththat.com/sciencemediacentre.es/en/collapse-amoc-century-unlikely-says-modelling-study”
I read it, and it did not work for me either.
It is the ultimate in academic pseudoscience. You set up your own second earth using computers, change some things around and voila! You have evidence that is unassailable.
Because of the belief that the authors have in their own intelligence, the results must be accurate.
What a joke. It is all done at a computer screen with no actual experience of the vagaries of physical measurements and how things work.
Good article Willis.
Whatever happened to ARGO? These sondes measure down to 2500 meters, and they drift where currents move. Their deployment is worldwide, although not evenly. Therefore real measurement of temperature and flow should be readily available for hot and cold part of AMOC and gulf stream.
Have scientists forgotten? Really or conveniently?
If you ignore them, then they can’t invalidate your model.
They are busy doing job #1….which is listening for submarines…
In order to save the planet, all we have to do is alter the models for better outcomes.