Roger Caiazza
I frequently collaborate with Richard Ellenbogen regarding issues related to the Climate Leadership & Community Protection Act (Climate Act). This post describes his recent blog article The Math Does Not Support New York’s Climate Plan published at the Empire Center for Public Policy. He explains why the numbers show that the Climate Act implementation plan is doomed to failure based on his experience adopting renewable and lower-emission combustion technologies in his home and business. This post condenses his findings and publicizes his work.
Overview and Background
The Climate Act established a New York “Net Zero” target (85% reduction in GHG emissions and 15% offset of emissions) by 2050. It includes an interim 2030 reduction target of a 40% reduction by 2030. Two targets address the electric sector: 70% of the electricity must come from renewable energy by 2030 and all electricity must be generated by “zero-emissions” resources by 2040. The Climate Action Council (CAC) was responsible for preparing the Scoping Plan that outlined how to “achieve the State’s bold clean energy and climate agenda.” The Integration Analysis prepared by the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and its consultants quantifies the impact of the electrification strategies. That material was used to develop the Draft Scoping Plan outline of strategies. After a year-long review, the Scoping Plan was finalized at the end of 2022. Since then, the State has been trying to implement the Scoping Plan recommendations through regulations, proceedings, and legislation.
Introduction
Ellenbogen introduces the problem:
I have been analyzing the numbers coming out of Albany regarding the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act (CLCPA), New York’s plan to drastically reduce the use of fossil fuels, for over five years now.
I am not anti-renewable and I am not a climate denier. What I am is an engineer that lives by numbers. The numbers underpinning the CLCPA—namely the belief that New York can replace most of its natural gas-fired electricity generation with renewables in the next six or even nine years—are a fantasy.
- New York is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, prohibiting or frustrating viable solutions that could reduce emissions.
- Instead, New York is relying on older, less efficient power plants, in hopes that wind and solar—built in more rural areas or offshore—can someday replace them.
- Even if New York were to build the wind, solar and battery backup necessary to keep the lights on without fossil fuels, the storage requirements, either onsite or grid-based, would be cost-prohibitive.
State Comptroller Tom DiNapoli in July described “inadequate planning, monitoring and assessment of risks and challenges” by state energy officials. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Greener Than The Grid
In the next section of the article, Ellenbogen describes his manufacturing business and the steps he has taken to reduce energy use at his facility. His company, Allied Converters, manufactures food packaging for large bakeries and supermarket chains. The machinery is thermally intensive and uses large amounts of electricity.
In 2002 he “installed the first microturbine-based Combined Heat and Power (CHP) system in the Con Ed service area.” This approach generates electricity by burning natural gas. Waste heat is recovered “to heat the building in the winter, or to be sent to absorption chillers to cool the building in the summer.” This approach allows him to recover 70 to 75 percent of the energy content of the fuel.
He compares his efficiency to the grid:
Most of downstate’s electricity comes from burning natural gas. New York’s single-cycle gas generating plants are in the neighborhood of 30 to 35 percent efficient. Newer combined-cycle plants are in the range of 55 to 60 percent efficient. For both, about 7 percent of energy produced is lost as heat in the transmission lines, a loss we avoid by generating electricity onsite.
Contrast that with New York’s plan to replace gas and oil furnaces at homes and businesses with electric heat pumps, which will—at least for the foreseeable future—require more electricity generation from fossil fuels, farther away from where the electricity is needed (and therefore more line losses).
In 2007 he installed the first commercial-scale solar array in New Rochelle. His article describes the tribulations related to being an early adopter with the planning agency and the utility. Later that year he added a “Reactive Power Mitigation System and in conjunction with the onsite generation, reduced load on the utility by 80 percent. To top it off he collects data on all the electric parameters in the building.
This massive amount of data, along with my training as an electrical engineer, has formed my frame of reference regarding the CLCPA. Renewable generation has a place in the energy mix but it cannot be used as the backbone of the utility system. Renewables are a tool and when you misuse a tool, bad things will happen. When you need a hammer, you don’t use a screwdriver, but that is essentially what the state is trying to do with renewables.
Energy System Model
His facility is a template for a pragmatic energy system:
The factory is a microcosm of NY’s energy system. It has a fossil fuel-based high efficiency generator to provide baseline load which it supplements with a solar array. The balance of the energy is dispatched by the utility when we need more.
All told, the factory’s carbon footprint is 30 to 40 percent smaller than it would be otherwise. Additionally, our utility bill, including the cost of natural gas, is less than half of what it would have been if we hadn’t added the energy systems. We have not only reduced our carbon emissions but we have also saved money through reduced energy usage and the associated expenses, about $1 million over the past 17 years. Our savings have been relatively higher during recent years as the business has grown and we have used more energy. Contrast that with current bills for other utility customers that are rising at an increasing rate.
The New York grid relies on nuclear, fossil, and hydro resources for most of its load, wind and solar to supplement the other resources, and imports the rest. The grid load varies more than the factory. As a result, resources are called for varying loads depending on their operating characteristics and costs. Ellenbogen describes current reliability issues.
The New York Independent System Operator (NYISO), the independent nonprofit organization that operates the electric grid and oversees the state’s wholesale electricity market, has been warning about potential blackouts due to closing existing fossil-fuel generators before new generators come online.
A 2019 plan by the state Department of Environmental Conservation to close smaller “peaker” power plants risked causing rolling blackouts on hot days as soon as 2025, before NYISO officials pushed back and kept some of the plants open.
As NYISO officials warned earlier this summer, reliability margins—the cushions in each region that ensure there’s enough electricity to meet demand at all times—“are also observed to be narrowing across the grid in New York, which poses significant challenges for the electric system over the next ten years.”
The reality is that the issue is going to extend well past 2033 and the energy shortages will get worse as gas plants aren’t replaced.
Future Model
Ellenbogen describes what would be needed at his factory if he were to rely only on solar and not use natural gas. Note that wind is not a practical source at his location.
To generate the same amount of electric energy that we currently use, we would need a solar array six times the size of what we currently have. Below is a photo of the 25,000+ square foot roof of the factory with the 50,000 watt (50 KW) solar array on it. (The factory is 55,000 square feet across two floors).

We could fit an additional 50 KW array on our roof for a total of 100 KW. However, we would need a roof three times the size of what we currently have to house a large enough solar array to generate the amount of electrical energy that we currently use. That doesn’t include the heat generated by the CHP system.
If we switched to heat pumps, we would need at least an additional 300 KW of solar arrays to support the building’s thermal load. So in total we would need 12 times the panels—on a roof six times the size.
Beyond the enormous additional costs needed to build a system of that magnitude, we don’t have the physical space or the roof area to remotely come close to supporting a system of that size.
The Model Storage Problem
The Climate Act insists on a zero-emissions mandate so that fossil-fired generators cannot be used to support intermittent wind and solar. This leads to the enormous challenge of storage.
Because of the looming plight of New York utility system, my team and I have been looking for ways to supply the building during a power failure. We first looked at a backup generator but Con Ed wanted $140,000 to run a larger gas line to our building. That being cost-prohibitive, we have been looking at a new type of energy storage that does not have the deficiencies of lithium-ion batteries.
The newer storage, using supercapacitors, has a comparable cost to lithium-ion, will last 25 to 40 years instead of the eight to 10 years of lithium-ion, and it will not go into a state of thermal runaway and burn at 2600 degrees Fahrenheit as occasionally happens with lithium-ion batteries. It will fit in a space the size of a sea container and it can be charged at night from our CHP system and on weekends from our solar array. With an energy storage system of 720 to 900 KWh in conjunction with the CHP system and the solar array, we could operate 100 percent free of the utility with a carbon footprint 10 percent lower than what we have now.
However, the Climate Act prohibits the use of the natural gas fired micro turbine currently in use. That means more storage would be required.
We would have to install nearly sixty times the amount of energy storage as what we currently need for backup purposes—at sixty times the price–to ensure that the panel’s energy was available at night or for extended periods during the winter months. That storage would occupy a volume approximately equivalent to that of fifty large sea containers—for my factory alone.
When the example for his factory is considered relative to the State the lunacy of the Scoping Plan becomes clear.
NYSERDA, the state’s energy agency, in late 2022 said “complete replacement” of fossil fuel plants with solar and wind generation would require 2,400 gigawatt-hours of storage to get the state through lulls when wind isn’t blowing and output from solar panels is low. At $567 per kilowatt-hour, the recent average cost of new non-residential energy storage, that works out to more than $1.3 trillion in new costs, or about $68,000 per New Yorker.
Summing Up
Ellenbogen describes his misgivings about the Climate Act.
Unlike New York’s plan that is relying on resources that either don’t exist, don’t exist at scale, are prohibitively expensive to install, are opposed by the residents near the sites, double utility costs, and as a result cannot be installed in any reasonable time frame so that they are not reducing GHG emissions, the technologies that we have used to achieve our carbon reductions are just the opposite. My neighbors are unaware of what we have onsite. The only thing that is visible is the solar array on the roof that can be seen with aerial photos or from a distance from the new high rises that have been built.
The technologies we used existed 20 years ago, reduce GHG emissions, are cost-effective, reduce line losses, reduce transmission and distribution costs, save money for the end user and the utility simultaneously, and can be implemented now in densely populated areas eliminating the need for multi-billion dollar transmission lines.
This conclusion wasn’t derived from what I like or don’t like, or about what I want or don’t want, and unlike the Climate Act, it is not based upon emotion. It is based upon tens of millions of data points that definitively say that if NY State keeps proceeding on this path, it will be a calamity for the state. If the Comptroller or others in state government wonder why the Climate Action Council never did a financial analysis of the Climate Act that they forced upon the state, with the assistance of unknowing legislators, it is because the costs are so ridiculously high that if the number was actually publicized, it would be political suicide.
Richard Ellenbogen was an early adopter of renewable and lower-emission combustion technology, deploying them at both his home and his business in Westchester County. Ellenbogen, a Cornell-trained electrical engineer, explains below how his personal experience led him to become one of the leading critics of the cost and feasibility of New York’s ambitious energy policy.
Roger Caiazza blogs on New York energy and environmental issues at Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York. This represents his opinion and not the opinion of any of his previous employers or any other company with which he has been associated.
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“If you build it, they will come”? Or was it, “If we mandate it, it will work”?
More like, “If we mandate it, they will kneel before us.”
Face facts. Governments that mandate that industry produce certain items are known as Fascists.
Or socialists. Fascists just maintain purportedly private businesses.
Nah nah nah,
Stick other peoples money in a trough, like pigs around a carcass they will gather …
Axiom’s law …
https://www.google.com.au/search?sca_esv=64cfa0f14f4f7d57&sca_upv=1&q=Axiom%27s+law&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR5qzgzNOIAxV5slYBHbhSEO8QBSgAegQICxAB&biw=1039&bih=518&dpr=1.46
Cheers,
Bill
Over the years of ever-tightening environmental regulations companies complained bitterly about technological and financial problems with implementing them. But somehow, the engineers got it done. So EPA thinks utilities are sandbagging them and crying crocodile tears, when it is actually the engineers do not know how it is going to work until they try doing it, and success is not guaranteed!
So these new GHG regs take us to hairy edge of technology and there are many places where CCS simply cannot work. Yet, EPA has mandated it, and when it proves to be unworkable, it will be those nasty utilities’ fault. But that’s OK with EPA, shut ’em down and blackout the nation.
Pretty compelling testimony from a man who has walked the walk.
Some time ago the Atlantic ran a story on the death of expertise, or the growing tendency to disregard those with specialized knowledge. Here is a person who has clearly demonstrated his expertise, in lived experience, not theoretical constructs. Wonder if the Atlantic, or other left-leaning media outlets, will see fit to feature this analysis of New York’s climate law?
Let me guess, the Atlantic article was about people ignoring experts on Climate Change and Covid?
I really, really doubt it.
The Atlantic …
March 22, 2024
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/03/when-experts-fail/677867/
“I am not anti-renewable and I am not a climate denier. What I am is an engineer that lives by numbers.” (In this article, quoting Ellenbogen.)
Same here. It’s not that I’m just old-school, grumpy, or stubborn. The “numbers” tell me that the entire climate movement against emissions of CO2 and other non-condensing “greenhouse gases” is based on a misconception. The static radiative effect of rising concentrations of GHGs in the atmosphere is not capable of forcing energy to accumulate down here on land and in the oceans as sensible heat – certainly not to harmful extent. This is because the dynamic operation of the atmosphere produces overturning circulations, energy conversion, and the formation and dissipation of clouds.
More here. Read the full text of the description for each of the short videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI8vhRIT-3uaLhuaIZq2FuQ
I am also a resident of rural NY facing the rising cost and degraded reliability of electricity supply that will inevitably result from the CLCPA.
Any engineer, or any numerate lay person for that matter, who ‘lives by the numbers’ should be a CAGW denier, notwithstanding the intentional use of the word ‘denier’ by the alarmists to denigrate skeptics.
I understand the strategy of waiting for the inevitable energy ‘train wreck’ to reverse the course of Net Zero policies, but many lives would be spared and much misery avoided if the alarmists’ complete lack of evidence for CAGW could be pulled into the public domain.
A majority of the world’s population live in poverty. They live off the land, consume and produce few goods. Thus, they can not cause CAGW.
How about CAGW, or climate change realists, rather than deniers?
“It’s not that I’m just old-school, grumpy, or stubborn.” Dibbell
Old school, grumpy and stubborn are okay
You are also wrong
That’s not okay.
Hi Richard! Nice to hear from you again. As before, I’m relieved to know that you are still not dead. All the best to you. About me being right or wrong, we’ll just see what happens. It’s not about me. You have not yet exhibited a grasp of the points I am making from reliable sources, but that’s okay.
“You are also wrong….That’s not okay.”
Coming from you, that is hilarious, RG.
You have no science to support any of the AGW mantra.
Still waiting for empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2.
Then Greene should explain these numbers and answer why all this is needed.
From the list of State High Temperatures
Troy, New York 108 °F Jul 22, 1926
Mineola, New York 108 °F Jul 6, 2010
All that extra CO2 he is worried about hasn’t changed a high temperature since 1926.
“You are also wrong”
Only in your mind.
“What I am is an engineer that lives by numbers.”
I’m an engineer, and I live by the numbers and the units. A number without the units is nonsense. The units don’t support their numbers. CAGW is engineering nonsense.
Good point about units. My 10th grade chemistry teacher taught us well.
I can’t remember how many times I factored the units through a complex formula only to find that they caused the end result to be garbage.
Article says:”I am not anti-renewable and I am not a climate denier.”
This reads as a placating sentence. This makes me look at the next sentence, about engineer and by the numbers, with jaundiced eye.
I agree that climate alarmism should not be pandered to. Climate alarmists should always be treated as science denying zealots.
I doubt that he is pandering to anyone, just stating upfront his position.There are few commenters on this forum that are true climate deniers and several who see a place for renewables. Discussing realities does not mean that you are pandering to others.
Climate Howlers should be treated with some respect rather than being condemned as science denying zealots.
There are more science denying zealots among conservatives than among leftists.
The main leftist problem is they mistake wild guess predictions of the future climate as science, simply because the wild guesses are made by scientists.
Their “scientists” in the 1970s predicted an average of +3 degrees C. global warming from a doubling of CO2
Since 1975, warming has been +2.4 degrees C. per doubling of CO2 based on inaccurate surface statistics.
The effective arguments:
Evidence that CO2 was not responsible for all the warming
Evidence the actual warming was very pleasant, mainly warmer winters in colder nations, and NOT the dangerous warming predicted for the past 48 years.
Climate Howlers did not invent the phrase CAGW.
People denying AGW will have zero influence in any debate about CAGW.
LOL… There goes the rabid AGW apologist/stal-wart again.
You have no science to support any of the AGW mantra.
It is YOU that is the “science ” denier… you just pretend you have “science”.
Still waiting for empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2.
Show us the AGW in the UAH data.. (or fail again)
You know the only warming in the UAH data comes at El Nino events..
…. and not even you are AGW-brain-washed enough to say El Ninos are caused by CO2.
Dear Richard,
Is your nickname Dick …. seems so
b
I understand your point, and share your initial reaction, but would urge you to consider that he sees that statement as a means of getting alarmists to at least look at what he’s saying. We need to find ways to grow the climate change skeptic ranks, and that growth will require accommodating people with different views.
If Mr. Ellenbogen reaches some people who agree with him on the absurdity of NY’s climate plans, it helps us in our efforts to avoid a huge waste of time and resources. And I believe it will cause some people to start questioning the underlying “science” that led to the climate plan in the first place. That is how we win, a few people at a time.
M. Kelly,
I am also surprised at the first part of the sentebce given Mr Ellenbogen is an electrical engineer.
Renewables are second or third rate generators for grid operation for practical (intermittency) and technical reasons.
There is a big difference in powering one factory and using the same parameterrs to power a grid.
The dynamics of a grid system and the variable load coupled with a uncontrolled varying input from renewables that are lacking in inertia and reactive power input is a problem that requires considerable support from conventional generation.
The more renewable capacity which feeds the grid as theri output is via inverters (that convert D.C. to A.C.) bring another problem, as they are more susceptible to tripping in fault conditions and less able to ride through faults.
This madness will continue until severe grid failures will be too big to ignore, i.e. it will get worse before it gets better.Grid trips cannot be restored by switching the supply back on, it is a slow and steady process that requires dispatchable generators to do it; renewables cannot. You can expect days on end with no power.
Let’s see … he has installed renewable energy, he doesn’t mention climate once, he deals with engineering issues and numbers. By all means stay jaundiced but the article is clearly worth a ponder.
Mike, the quote I put says he is not anti-renewable and not a climate denier. So I read that as he is OK with wind mills and solar farms. And he in-fact does mention climate by saying he is not a climate denier and I read that he accepts CO2 as causing a problem of some size.
I fully agree that there is info of value.
The article following that sentence proves it to be true and the numbers he produces show that he is indeed cognizant of the possibilities and fallibilities of renewables. He may well believe that there is a need to reduce emissions for whatever reason but it seems to me that his overarching mission was to reduce costs in his operation and he has succeeded in doing so. He has also succeeded in demonstrating that the New York plan, if you can call it that, is not feasible indeed not even rational.
I am an engineer and I am certainly not a climate change denier. Climate has always changed and always will.
What I do know is that the influence of atmospheric CO2 on surface temperature is unmeasurable.
It is inevitable that the majority of OLR exiting the atmosphere is emitted from ice either on the ground or in the atmosphere. Any water at an altitude above 273K will solidify to ice as it is cooled by OLR emissions to space. Subsequent emissions increasingly leave via the ice. The ice may not even be visible as cloud. The atmosphere always has water and some of it will be in the form of ice.
When cloud forms over ocean warm pools regulating to 30C, the reduction in OLR is only half the reduction in reflected short wave so the temperature regulating process has very powerful negative feedback. This process working across all warm pools means a significant proportion of the incoming solar EMR remains unthermalised. The notion of some delicate radiative balance is utter nonsense.
It is common among us engineers to state our poitoon, clearly, before as discussion. It’s sort of an integrity sort of thing. One gets used to it when dealing with people who do objective analysis
Jumping through the hoops for a ‘crisis’ that doesn’t exist.
He is planning for a very real crisis: loss of electrical power due to poor analysis and planning on the part of people in political power. Like many of us, he is trying to come up with a solution that power shortage. I would bet that there is a higher percentage of people with back-up power that read this site than among the CAGW population.
Maybe not. I read that even Obama has two 5000-gallon propane tanks on his Martha Vinyards property to ensure he has power when the wind stops blowing.
I agree that Ellenbogen is looking to avoid catastrophic power outages and mitigate rising costs. Has he succeeded in that to a degree? Perhaps. Through harvesting government incentives, his business may have succeeded in shifting some of his costs onto other taxpayers. Now he may be catching sight of the limits of placating the beast.
Ultimately he will not succeed until he abandons New York.
So what we have here is a demonstration project. Not exactly, but it loosely fits the definition.
Well done. Creative solutions are needed, not government edicts.
Story Tip===>https://www.axios.com/2024/09/20/three-mile-island-nuclear-microsoft-ai-deal
“Three Mile Island is reopening and will exclusively sell the power to Microsoft as the company searches for energy sources to fuel its AI ambitions.
Constellation Energy announced Friday that its Unit 1 reactor, which closed five years ago, is expected to be revived in 2028, dependent on Nuclear Regulatory Commission approval. Microsoft will purchase the carbon-free energy produced from it to power its data centers to support artificial intelligence.
So much for the bird chopping whale beaching wind towers…Let’s get some fracking going while
we are at it…
This is just wrong. There is a very small, but nevertheless real danger from the plant and its byproducts harming the nearby environment. If the electricity produced by the plant was used by the local population, then there would be a benefit to them, as well as the very small risk. If all the power generation goes to Microsoft, then the risk is taken by the local residents for the benefit of Microsoft alone. Not good.
Excellent point. He’s also reportedly building nuclear plant in Wyoming also for AI.
A modular nuclear plant and a NG plant of the same size both
cost a reported $6B. The north east has an abundance of NG but
it’s not been allowed by the Greens.
Who is “he”? All you’ve mentioned is “Microsoft”.
Bill Gates/ MS
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/bill-gates-is-breaking-ground-on-a-nuclear-power-plant-in-wyoming
How about “common sense does not support New York’s climate plan”.
I am always concerned when someone talks about “common sense” without defining it. Especially when a politician, or an advocate, proposes a common sense solution.
the electric sector on this side of the pond Is in dire straits
Running an electric car is twice as expensive as a petrol one
Return trip from London to Penzance costs £148 for electrics vehicles compared with £77 for petrol cars as prices at roadside chargers surge
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/20/electric-cars-cost-double-petrol-diesel-2024/
New York take note
And that’s before the inevitable road pricing comes in.
When you can’t afford to take a shower, why would you want to go to Penzance anyway??
b
Great article, Roger. Most of this should translate immediately to other states involved in this quixotic journey, and legitimately scare people. A couple of comments:
1) Simple cycle gas is as efficient as 30-35% probably only if used as a base load. Any load following will reduce efficiency. It think DOE has reported efficiencies as low as 20% for load following simple cycle plants that must cycle up and down.
2) This—>!
Yes, probably way too low because it represents only 60 or so hours of system capacity, and any reasonable system probably needs triple that at a minimum. Then there is the new capacity from the demands that we run transportation on electricity, and heat homes and buildings, and supply industrial heat with it too.
Nonetheless, installed storage of $68,000 per New Yorker, might mean nearly $200,000 per ratepayer of new capital expenditure, and, as I have told ratepayers in Wyoming every opportunity I get, this should end-up doing one of three things. 1) Sink the whole stupid idea. 2) Make usage, demand charges and other special assessments so expensive that people will avoid using electrical power in every way possible — dead weight losses for an economy and volumetric risks for the utility. 3) Turn the grid into a State-run utility supported by taxes mainly.
Ellonbogan has a fundamental problem getting this message across. He is not an academic so is devoid of magical thinking.
Unlike parts of the USA, most Australian householders can become independent of energy networks by installing solar panels and batteries. It is lower cost than the grid using the same technology remotely that requires huge costs for the transmission network, including transmission losses.
9am in the morning in Australia and the rooftop solar is coming to life. All regions of the NEM currently have negative wholesale prices. Australian housings are making their choice like Ellonbogan has to insulate themselves from the inevitable increase in energy prices as governments demonise CO2. Rooftop solar is the fastest growing source of generation in Australia.
So Australia is heading for the situation where owners of roofs become independent of the grid while those who cannot afford a roof are increasing exposed to the mandated theft that is paid to proponents of large scale wind and solar for their so-called “renewable” energy..
Oz is blessed with lots of sunshine. New York can have long snowy and cold winters, especially upstate. Solar panels produce no electricity when covered with deep snow.
The average wind turbine has minimum allowable operating temperature of about -10 deg C (14 deg F) but can made for operating at lower temperatures (cf., Wikipedia).
The big disadvantage of solar panels and wind turbines is their short working lifetime of about 20 years or less. I seen on the internet images of boneyards of huge piles of broken and damaged turbine blades, which can not be recycled.
“9am in the morning”
As opposed to some other 9am??
Harold the Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Roger
A short awhile ago, a comment was posted here that stated that to supply New York with electricity from only solar panels and wind turbines would require 6.9 % of the surface area of the state for the sites. Was the amount and the cost of the land taken into account when calculating the cost of this project?
As I mentioned in the previous post, cold snowy weather could result in no electricity being produced. You should inform the city slickers of the possible effects of severe winter weather and the occasional nor’easters.
They claimed that costs for land are included. I could not find documentation that showed that and I believe they biased any estimates low.
In 2023 there were 140 hours when there were zero MW of wind and utility scale solar generated. If you cover 100% of the state zero is still zero
You should not worry too much about this project because it will stall at square one:
the acquisition of the large parcels of land for solar and wind farms. Flat farmland is out, but I have read that older farmers lease their land to the electric companies at premium rates. For them this is a golden retirement plan.
Do the proponents have any idea how long it will take to build all the infrastructure
such roads to sites, the electrical systems including the buildings for the backup power generation, etc.
If the orders for large amount of solar panels and wind turbines are placed, how long will it be these can be delivered?
I’ll will be sending you an email to your website about the Death Valley Project.
The people mandating the catastrophe have the same information. They are as aware as we are of the facts of the matter. The only questions that need answering are: why are they doing it and how can they be stopped?
Everything else is just wasted effort.
I stopped reading at the phrase “battery back-up.” There is NO grid-scale battery back-up and most likely NEVER will be!!!
Good information. All of this because a bad government agency is allowed to make rules and show no evidence that there is a need for the rules. That is criminal. We need to get rid of the agency.