By P Gosselin
German online weather site Das Wetter here reports: “Up to 3 meters of fresh snow is possible at high altitudes in the Alps” and: “Even in Garmisch-Partenkirchen and Oberstdorf it could turn white beginning Friday.”
Europe had been basking in late summer warmth, but the weather is now changing dramatically as a so-called Vb weather situation is poised “to put large parts of the region in a state of emergency.”
Some weather models are showing 200 to 400 liters of rain and snow per square meter within 7 days. The Alps and parts of Eastern Europe are expected to be hard hit by flooding especially on parts of the Czech Republic and Poland.
“The sudden cold snap means that snow is already falling in the Alps from 1000 meters upwards. And not in short supply: up to 3 meters of fresh snow is possible at high altitudes – conditions that are only known from the depths of winter. Places like Oberstdorf and Garmisch-Partenkirchen are particularly affected, with heavy snowfall expected on Friday and Saturday,” reports Das Wetter.
Such massive amounts of snow could mean that the ground there won’t be seeing daylight until next summer.
“Severe winter outbreak”
Meanwhile, German meteorologist Dominik Jung today reports at his daily video update of “a severe winter outbreak” for the Alps.
“Snow could fall at elevations down to 1000 meters. Friday and Saturday morning, snow is possible down to 700 meters above sea level,” reports Jung, noting that this is “relatively early” for this time of year.
“Snow this low in the mountains this time of the year is rather unusual. Snow down to 1000-1500 meters happens occasionally. But at 700 meters, it’s more of an exception,” says Jung.
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The Mainstream media will ignore this or be along any minute to explain:
If you’ve been hearing that early winter storms like the
one that is forecast in the Alps this weekend disprove
global warming, don’t believe it. The odds are that we
can expect, as a result of The Climate Crisis, to see
more of this pattern of early winter storms.
After all, this tactic as been used before:
The Polar Vortex Explained in 2 Minutes – YouTube
Yes “Children are not going to know what snow is.” But if it snows, definitely caused by “climate change.”
Otherwise known as…
If your “theory” predicts all outcomes, it’s garbage.
David Viners prediction aged like Madonna.
And was so Expert that it should have been part of the compilation of the worst failed global warming prediction that is called “An inconvenient truth”.
Must be bizarr for climate experts to watch extinct polar bears walking in extinct snow.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/12/04/david-viners-blunder-saved-for-posterity/
And an embarrassingly huge number of Polar Bears (estimated at 35-40,000 ) .
The polar vortex proper does not form until December with enough influence to produce Arctic plunges into the mid latitudes.
The effect starts in the Stratosphere once the Arctic begins its polar night – that doesn’t start until the 21st September.
3m of snow is irrelevant as a measure of cold over mountains – as that comes from moisture content and that is dependent on the warm (relative ) of the airmass.
Besides it’s a forecast (the broad scheme of which will occur) however the 700m snow line is doubtful and a fall down to 1000m is not unusual in Sep.
This the analysis of the Temp anomaly for 850mb (~5000ft) in the NH at midnight Z 12/13th Sep.
Whilst the Alps has an anomaly of -8C, NE Europe and the Barents Sea has an anomaly of +10/+12C, as does N Greenland with indeed nuch of the Arctic and Canada +ve …….
How can ANY “lay” person make any sense let alone use of that “chart ” . It looks more like a Jackson Pollock painting .
Northerly wind ‘Nobby’ is still with us. I took my car for its MOT this morning and it was 6C brrr.
I think we could be in for a chilly winter in more ways than one:
Starmer ‘covering up’ estimate of pensioner deaths after winter fuel payments cut.
PM under fire from Rishi Sunak for failing to publish impact assessment of policy, amid claims nearly 4,000 could die.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/11/starmer-accused-estimate-pensioner-deaths-winter-fuel-cuts/
Getting started ahead of the power cuts to come
I looked at the temp at the local airbase (google egun metar) last night and the wind chill and turned the upstairs heating on overnight. 6C is too damned chilly.
And they say it’s the warmest year ever.
The English were forced to turn up heating throughout all of May as result of arctic temperatures (the same English who used to built their pipes on the outside of their houses only few decades ago,because winters used to be so mild).
and at the end of the May the government Experts announced that it was the hottest May eva.
UK recommendations for water pipes
Blue water supply MDPE should be laid in a trench at a depth of at least 750mm (measured from the pipe crown), but no more than 1350mm, from the finished ground level and at least 350mm away from other utilities (such as gas or electricity). Some water authorities allow MDPE to be laid at a shallower depth, depending on circumstances, but must be insulated; check local water authority guidance.
After 1963 regulations were changed as the frost of the winter of 62/63 froze the pipes to many dwellings.
Globaly.
Not in your bedroom however.
Is that that hard to comprehend?
TTKier is just trying to protect “our” NHS by bumping off the oldies early. Such a compassionate fellow thinking of the greater good.
Marxists like Starmer have always been contemptuous of individuals.
Have you Brits imported American Democrats? They excel at killing old folks, tho usually they prefer to use disease like covid, but then they’re really good at starving them via insane inflation.
The government giveth and the government taketh away.
Rearranged … the government taketh away and (then) the government giveth.
“September Snowmageddon”
Total rubbish,
I have it on ex-Burt authorities that all snow is now a thing of the past !!!
In 2000, Dr David Viner, (a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia) said, “within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,”
https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/
And 20 yrs later, the BBCs Chief environment correspondent Justin Rowlatt told us …
Because of Climate change, Snowy UK winters could become a thing of the pasthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55179603
& we know we can trust the BBC in all things (except telling the truth !! ).
I’m on Anglesey (no, it’s not a drug) sweltering in 6°C (it may be a heatwave ! ), the Irish Sea is ‘boiling’ at 15° & we just had a hailstorm.
Angry of Anglesey.
Anglesey (no, it’s not a drug)
Although it might require them – to numb the boredom of 20mph speed limits!!!
Don’t worry, we have the dreaded Khan…
An acquaintance has just been done for 24mph (It’s 20mph + 10% plus ONE.)
Many people are crawling along at between 15 max 20 just to be safe from robbery. It’s not only frustrating, but bloody dangerous to take your eyes off the road to continually check your speed.
Think of speed cameras as revenue-collection devices.
And as pay-per-mile revenue collectors.
story tip
now trees diseases are blamed on climate change— but of course!
Tracking Emerging Infectious Diseases That Threaten Forests
https://research.fs.usda.gov/nrs/products/rooted-research/tracking-emerging-infectious-diseases-threaten-forests?utm_source=MarketingCloud&utm_medium
Even phsychologists figured out that when Freud explained everything, then it didn’t really explain anything. Then again, Freud had theories, not a religion.
Of course it “man made”, what else could it be? The “Big Burn of 1910” was after a
large regional pine bark beetle kill. Just sayin, The smoke from this years fires was some of the
worst I’ve had to ever endure. The forest management infrastructure is mostly a shell of what it used to be . The enviro’s and their lawfare along with the federal corporatism have left the forests a nasty mess. The latest local forest news is about some IRA funding for the Collaborative Wildfire Risk Reduction Program (CWRRP). They are planning a 40,000 acre burn near here. Mostly jackstrawed with the regen 15-20 ft high.. If the enviros don’t sue…which they always do,
Regionally they make billion$ every year. Mostly all former Earth First’ers.
Clearly another sign of globull warmering, and Germans need to find less reliable ways to heat their homes, starting now.
I always thought of Germany as a very cold place.
I arrived in Germany in September 1967, as a member of the U.S. Army, and was stationed at the Wildflicken NATO nuclear base.
I don’t know if that was a particularly cold year or not, but it started snowing early and continued through the winter.
And I had to go out into the wilderness that was the Wildflicken tank range and camp out in a tent, and the snow got knee deep on occasion.
And then I left for Vietnam in April 1968, so I never got to experience the summer in Germany.
So I guess that’s why I always think of Germany as being cold and snowy.
1967 was a cold winter but not the coldest.
Btw, it’s Wildflecken, and that’s a snowy region.
Yes, the base was up on a mountain.
One day, I watched an M60 battle tank slide right off the icy road it was on and down into the forest below for a distance. A tank retriever had to go get it later.
At one point, myself and two other guys were in a tent out in the middle of nowhere (the Wildflecken training range covered a lot of ground) and we went to sleep and it snowed overnight, and when I woke up the next morning the snow outside was about knee deep.
It so happened that a German Special Forces unit was in the area and they decided to do a little training around our tent, practicing their skills at being silent and at camoflage in snow.
They did a good job. I was the first one out of the tent that morning at the crack of dawn, and I stepped outside and stood there for about a minute looking at all the snow and the trees, and then I hear someone blow a whistle, and about a dozen troops suddenly stood up out of the snow they had been hiding in, and shocked the heck out of me!
One of the men was only about 25 feet from me and I never saw him or any of the others until they moved. They were down in the deep snow with their white uniforms on.
Then I heard commands being issued in German, and the troops formed up into a formation and marched off into the distance out of sight and never said one word to us.
We found out later they were a German Special Forces unit out on a training mission.
I was impressed with their skills! 🙂
Germany is cloudy and rainy. How do you know it is spring in Germany? The rain is getting warmer.
I have been in Italy and Croatia for the last three weeks. Crazy hot. Almost unbearable. Flew in to Munich yesterday. Cold as hell. Literally went from summer to winter. Nice beer though.
Was in Croatia inland about 3 weeks ago, around 32C, there at the coast same time last year, +36C.
Hope you didn’t fly there…. that would be disgustingly hypocritical !!
Then you FLEW to Munich….
Yep, typical leftist hypocrite !!
Here’s the way the jet stream looks:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=4.86,40.05,464
There is a low-pressure system over central Europe that is pulling down colder air from the north into Germany, while Italy is on the warm side of the jet stream. That would explain the weather changes you have experienced as you travel from warm Italy to cold Germay.
Why thanks Tom. Off to see Hitlers Eagles next today. Been looking forward to it, then got an email to say it might be cancelled because of the weather. Oh well that’s travelling.
“knee deep”… heck, when I was a kid….
Germany is not alone. In the Southern Hemisphere, Victoria is only 37S and now early spring. This is the weekend forecast:
Saturday 14 September
I thought I was done with burning wood this year.
“Snow this low in the mountains this time of the year is rather unusual. Snow down to 1000-1500 meters happens occasionally. But at 700 meters, it’s more of an exception,” says Jung.
Clearly, this is climate disruption.
“Europe had been basking in late summer warmth…”
Which is such a common, frequent feature over the many years there’s even a name for it: Indian Summer.
We were reliably informed 20 years ago that by now the Alps would be near snow-free and ski-resorts no longer operating.
Wait, it’s snowing in the Alps?
Surely THIS is the final nail (TM) in the coffin of the AGW/global warming scam!?
You didn’t read well,
It was considered unusual and early despite the “hottest year on record” bromide you scream about yet snow continues not to get the memo that is too warm……. to snow this early……..
It’s called weather and It snows over the higher Alps in September, sometimes down to 1000m. The “700m” hasn’t happened yet. it’s a forecast.
Yet you go on and on about fake “predictions” of the AGW scammers.
Take your feet out of your mouth when you type !!
LOL, of course it was a forecast as I was the one who quoted it!
Now let’s see if you can read the rest of it………, including this that you and he avoided.
Oh dearie me, basic comprehension issues… yet again !! So funny !
You can’t trademark “the final nail”
John Wolcot, an English satirist, who used the splendid nom de plume of Peter Pindar when he published his Expostulatory Odes to a Great Duke in 1789, is credited with the first usage of the image of a nail being added to a coffin
More education for me… Thanks. I ENJOY this site SO much!
I’ve just checked the Ben Nevis webcam. Snow above about 1000m, though not very thick yet. This is unusually early.
When I was in rural Perthshire in the 1950s to early 70s the rule for Gamekeepers and Shepherds was that there would be snow on the high tops for example Ben Vorlich 943 metres before the end of September and then none until December. There were, of course exceptions to this.
Don’t sell your skis.
Maybe the World Economic Forum people meeting in Davos might have to use diesel-powered snowplows to get from one hotel to another to discuss global warming, unless they have snowshoes.
Greta might get cold, wet feet. She’ll be yelling at the snow clouds, “How dare you!”
Greta is even less appealing than a ‘cold, wet foot.
Right “now”, it’s about 3 AM Friday morning in Zurich. Just looked at a web-cam – no sign of precipitation, yet.
https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/schweiz/canton-zurigo/zurich/train-station.html
Meantime: freezing temperatures this morning over the US north-western mountains (Thursday, 0800 MST) as far south as Great Salt Lake and almost to Lake Tahoe.
And a forecast (70%) of rain for Sunday for south-east Arizona. There’s a depression off the west coast of Mexico that will probably move north. 1005 hPa ten hours ago, 998 hPa about 20 minutes ago. Could be interesting to watch what develops.
Yes, the jet stream has dipped down into the northwestern States and is bringing cold air with it.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-112.88,39.23,403
This is why they changed the name from global warming to climate change. They have no idea what’s going to happen. With climate change they have it covered if it gets warmer or colder.
‘they have it covered if it gets warmer AND colder’.
These events happen from time to time. I went on a German Exchange to Austria in the summer of 1981 and, on the morning of 15th July, we woke up to a valley at 970m above sea level covered in around 25cm of snow. It was a disaster for mountain sheep farmers at the time. There have been a few other similar events in the intevening 43 years, but it’s by no means a regular event.
I was looking at webcams from Kaprun, Austria, this morning and there is snow lying at a little over 1000m above sea level. Above 1500m, the scenes are positively winterly.
What’s actually more of a challenge with this weather event is the likelihood of short-term flooding, as the rainfall totals being projected for Eastern Austria and Czechia are well into the realms of ‘major river flooding risk’.
It’s helpful that the snow will fall down to relatively low altitudes in Austria, as that snow will take a few days to melt, can soak into the still relatively dry soil at the end of summer, but the likelihood that temperatures warm up again significantly in the next 10 days will likely see a renewed heightened risk of high river levels.
What this does show is that you can get a 20C swing in temperature just by shifting Austria from a Mediterranean High Pressure system to a northerly meridional low pressure airflow bringing air down from the arctic.
It doesn’t take humans belching carbon dioxide to cause radical temperature swings, it just takes a change in direction, a kink in the jet stream and a Genoa Low getting stuck over Czechia with meridional northerly airflow to the West.
“What this does show is that you can get a 20C swing in temperature just by shifting Austria from a Mediterranean High Pressure system to a northerly meridional low pressure airflow bringing air down from the arctic.”
That’s exactly right, and is what is happening right now.
Nullschool shows it very well:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=4.86,40.05,464