One broken wind turbine blade shut down Massachusetts beaches. What would hurricanes do?
Paul Driessen
Photos of oil-covered seals and birds from California’s 1969 Santa Barbara blowout helped launch the environmental and stop-oil movements. Some 90,000 barrels polluted ocean waters and yet, when I was scuba diving beneath it two decades later, the same production platform support structure once again hosted a magnificent ecosystem with millions of anemones, mussels, starfish, crabs and fish.
The 2010 Deepwater Horizon drillship disaster killed eleven workers and blasted 3-4 million barrels of oil and enormous amounts of natural gas into the Gulf of Mexico. Yet within a surprisingly short time after the runaway well was capped, wave action, oil-dispersant chemicals, dust-covered oil droplets slowly sinking to the seafloor, and other natural forces had cleansed the waters of oil.
Those other forces were hydrocarbon-degrading microbes that are always present in ocean waters worldwide – but rapidly reproduce when they sense oil in their environs. After depleting the hydrocarbon food sources, the microbes die off to normal numbers, and new organisms degrade the byproducts the initial foragers created, until those nutrients are also gone. Then their populations also plummet, in a newly clean ocean.
The disasters spurred industry to implement better blowout prevention technologies and procedures.
Irrelevant, anti-oil activists say, they also emphasize why we must banish oil and gas – and replace fossil fuels with clean, green wind, solar and battery power. Otherwise, wildlife, beaches and tourism will be threatened repeatedly by oil spills.
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that these supposed alternatives won’t work – especially as AI, EVs, data centers, government-mandated electric heating and cooking, and charging grid-backup batteries, double or triple electricity generation demands. Intermittent electricity cannot power modern nations. Wind and solar cannot produce thousands of essential products that require petrochemical feed stocks. These energy sources are not clean, green, renewable or sustainable. They endanger wildlife.
A recent mishap off the Nantucket, Massachusetts coast underscores yet another reason why hundreds or thousands of monstrous wind turbines cannot be permitted in America’s coastal waters.
Shards, chunks and finally the rest of a turbine blade fell into the ocean. One blade … from a 62-turbine project that’s only three-fourths completed … broken by its own weight, not by a storm.
And yet beaches had to be closed amid peak tourist season, while crews picked up pieces of fiberglass-resin-plastic-foam blades, and boats dodged big pieces floating in the water. Worse, Vineyard Wind didn’t tell Nantucket officials about the problems until two days after the blade began disintegrating.
Each blade is 350 feet long and 140,000 pounds. That’s more than a fully occupied Boeing 737 jetliner. Vineyard Wind involves 186 blades: 65,000 feet (12 miles) in total combined length, weighing in at a combined 26,000,000 pounds!
The Biden-Harris offshore wind plan calls for 30,000 megawatts of generating capacity by 2030. That’s 2,500 gigantic 12-MW offshore turbines. That won’t even meet New York State’s current peak summer electricity needs, before all these extra demands kick in. Offshore wind’s contribution toward meeting future demands for all Atlantic Coast states could easily require 5,000 such turbines: 15,000 blades, weighing a combined 2 billion pounds and spanning a combined 5,250,000 feet (995 miles)!
Even more disturbing, the entire Atlantic coastline is hurricane country. Every year, almost without fail. The only questions are how many hurricanes, how powerful, and where each one will hit.
NOAA records for landfalling hurricanes – those that actually hit US beaches and cities – reveal that 105 Category 1-5 hurricanes struck the Atlantic seaboard, from Florida to Maine, from 1851 through 2023. Add in those that remained at sea, where the turbines will be, and that number could double.
Of that total, 23 were Category 3-5 (111-157 or higher mph winds). Most struck Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. But 39 made landfall between North Carolina and Delaware – and 19 hit Northeastern States, including nine Category 2-3 monsters (96-129 mph winds).
Mind you – these turbines will be weakened by constant corrosive salt spray and frequently by sub-hurricane storms. When the inevitable big hurricane roars up the coast, devastation will follow.
Kamala Harris is bullish about offshore wind. For the last 3-1/2 years she’s helped run an administration that’s determined to convert the USA to wind, solar and battery power, expedite permits for onshore and offshore “clean energy” projects, and even waive requirements that offshore wind developers post bonds and pay for removing damaged, broken and obsolete offshore wind towers.
She supports banning plastic straws but has never asked how many plastic straws it would take to equal 15,000 offshore wind turbine blades. (Using nautical terms, an unfathomable number.) Moreover, plastic straws don’t contain dangerously sharp fiberglass shards, and can’t sink fishing boats that collide with enormous but hard-to-see slabs of turbine blades.
Ms. Harris, Tim Walz and other wind zealots ignore worries about hurricanes wiping out forests of offshore wind turbines as anti-wind fearmongering. History says otherwise.
The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane clobbered Florida with 200+ mph devastation, Georgia with Category 1 winds. The Great New England Hurricane of 1938 smashed into New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts with 115-120 mph force. 1944’s Great Atlantic Hurricane – punished the coast from North Carolina to New Jersey and Massachusetts with Category 2 winds.
Edna hit the Northeast with Category 2 winds in 1954, Donna did it again in 1960, and Gloria clobbered the region with 96-115 mph blasts in 1985, even reaching New Hampshire and Maine! Isabel hit North Carolina and Virginia in 2003. The “minor” Category 1 hurricane of 2012, better known as Superstorm Sandy, was also devastating.
This summary includes just some that hit North and Mid-Atlantic States, and a few that slammed Florida, Georgia and South Carolina – all prime territory for forests of offshore turbines, fixed to the seafloor or insanely sitting atop enormous floating platforms off Maine and other states. They’d all flounder.
Replacing hundreds or thousands pf torn, damaged and smashed turbines and blades would take years, perhaps decades. Meanwhile, there would be no electricity in a Harris-Biden-Walz-Democrat government-mandated all-electric Eastern Seaboard. The absence of heating, air conditioning and power for homes, hospitals and everything else would displace millions and kill thousands.
Hopefully, politicians and bureaucrats could expedite new gas turbine and modular nuclear power plants. That would mean only a few years of deprivation and blackouts, instead of many years, perhaps decades.
Otherwise, floating slabs of broken turbine blades would endanger boats for months or years, until they are retrieved, hauled ashore and landfilled. Cleaning up billions of sharp shards of fiberglass – each an inch to a couple feet in length, and nearly invisible – would likely take decades, during which time they would impale and imperil beach walkers, swimmers, fish, whales, dolphins and other marine life.
I’m not a microbiologist, but I’m not aware of any microbes that devour fiberglass, resin or plastic foam.
With no bonds or requirements that Big Wind cover cleanup and turbine removal costs, electricity-bereft taxpayers and ratepayers would be left holding the bag.
Before we rush any further into this “renewable energy transformation,” can we first have some realistic, commonsense analysis? Can we at least think before casting our ballots this fall?
Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of books and articles on energy, environment, climate and human rights issues.
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The green stupidity will continue as log a Biden Harris and their ilk continue to get elected. The votes might wise up when they either starve, cook or freezing on their home because to no food, electrical power or fuel. It is well know cold kills the most. If the Greens get their way the body count will be horrendous, of course in the end is that not the stated goals of the greens? Is that not what they say is that there should only be less than a billion people on earth.
Perhaps offshore wind should be required to construct containment floats that surround turbine masts and keep any detritus from leaving the site
The containment would need to reach the sea bed – some bits wouldn’t float but would become suspended in the water column and some would drop to the bottom and be transported by currents to almost anywhere.
The prevention is to not build the things at all.
Perhaps we should drill, baby, drill!!
Drill baby drill gets my vote
Hurricanes are not tornadoes but they do have strong winds. I saw a video made by tornado chasers, which seems to be an active sport in parts of the country, where a tornado intersected a line of wind turbines. At least two of the things were sheared off and a major part of the mast and all of the top parts went flying off, getting considerably crumpled and shredded as they flew. There is no way to contain that.
Tornadoes can strike anywhere along the east coast- not often but it does happen. We seem to get one in Wokeachusetts every 4-5 years.
Why did the British leave DC duing the war of 1812?
A tornado.
When a tornado or hurricane totally destroys an entire off shore wind farm, we’ll party.
Could we have a repeat sometime in the next two months, please.
It is quite common for tornadoes to occur within hurricanes.
It might be fun for an engineer to estimate the cost of building something like that. Of course it wouldn’t work as hoped as Oldseadog says in another comment.
I like the pictures the web managers put on these posts. They really display the evil of the global warming nonsense.
They should be shown in the MSM, but of course never will be.
This would be good news for the whole world. The UN would need to find a new home. Juba in South Sudan would be a top candidate where they get a taste of where their corruption is taking the developed nations.
No one in their right mind would allow companies to build these without ensuring that they are responsible for clear-up of breakages and removal of structure at the end of life. Shows how insane the powers that be are.
Who cares as long as the subsidies roll in and the consumer has no choice but to pay?
One broken wind turbine blade shut down Massachusetts beaches. What would hurricanes do?
Don’t need no hurricane as the 107 Metre long blades are already in big trouble-
Second turbine blade failure hits world’s largest offshore wind farm, in fresh blow to GE Vernova | RenewEconomy
Well they would say that about a manufacturing fault now wouldn’t they? Because the awful truth that they’ve pushed the engineering limits of ever larger blades in order to make the very costly offshore pedestals pay just doesn’t bear thinking about. Particularly as the deplorables are fed up with sticking them on land and spoiling their ambience in order to keep struggletown’s power bills below riot level. These slushfunded climate changers are between a rock and a hard place here without very strong winds.
“deplorables are fed up with sticking them on land”
True, even here in Wokeachusetts! And not just “deplorables” but by elites- including green energy advocates, who also now dislike solar “farms” which must displace farms and forests. They stupidly think just putting solar on all roofs and parking lots will be sufficient for net zero nirvana.
I remember back in the late 70’s after energy prices spiked solar hot water
units were the rage, at least in this area. Placed on rooftops the owners
I talked with spoke highly and how their monthly power bill dropped. I can’t
recall seeing one of those for many years. I went the way of a wood stove
to heat with and still use a woodgas boiler.
One past motto of the Society of American Foresters was “wood is good”.
Not economic anymore in much of Oz with good sunlight as rooftop solar panels powering resistance storage HWS kills them and batteries even more so. Essentially use it or lose it increasingly with solar’s duck curve and the fallacy of composition.
I’m not a microbiologist, but I’m not aware of any microbes that devour fiberglass, resin or plastic foam.
Glass is glass. over tine it becomes the sand from which it sprang. Its inert and forms most of the sea bottom anyway .
Resins actually degrade with time anyway.,Epoxies shrink crack and become more brittle. It is likely that a turbine would be well out of balance and need new blades before it got far along that curve though.
Unlike nuclear there is no decommissioning requirement I am aware of.
Polystyrene does degrade slowly, In landfill it has an estimate half life of 500 years. It is pretty inert so probably doesn’t represent a danger to anything
Per5sonally I don’t think much of a wind turbine represents a threat to the environment once its fallen to pieces. Its the working ones that are the danger…
Coming to a ONE HUNDRED & SEVEN METRE long blade near you soon-
NREL Develops Wind Turbine Blades from Recyclable Resin – Energy Theory
Just as soon as they’ve worked out the wee manufacturing glitch with the everlasting ones
Not a long term environment damage- but the public ain’t gonna like seeing this crud on the beaches and who knows the damage to the local marine fauna. And it might interrupt your pleasure cruising if you have to worry about your boat slamming into a piece of a wind turbine.
Public does not like absurdly inflated prices either. Does this matter?
Somewhere, I read that fiberglass shards, at least the tiny ones, act similarly to asbestos in the body. Find that to be very scary. As these blades degrade over time, those tiny bits of fiberglass are spread throughout the atmosphere and in the water. Do they get into the food chain? How about our lungs? Who knows and who is looking into this?
Does this get funding? No? Then why and how would anyone?
Now, more victims of Global Climatening? This always does!
re: “Epoxies shrink crack and become more brittle.”
With the lighter constituent parts (chemical compounds) becoming part of the aqua, micro-plastics if you will, taken up by biome (including humans, who eat creatures living in the wild in the biome?)
Plastic cups and straws present little threat to the environment or marine life which eat their fellow creatures whole: flesh, skin, scales, teeth, bones, claws, shell, fur and regurgitate the indigestible bits, yet the Church of Environmentalism has decreed a plastic bottle-top or straw will prove fatal so must be banned.
Ever walk barefoot over fiberglass shards?
Try it. You might change your mind.
I find it odd to put battery power in the same sentence as wind and solar. Batteries don’t produce electricity. You can build one trillion GW of batteries but you still need to generate electricity to charge them. Also batteries are no solution according WUWT so it’s pointless to even consider them.Why do we keep talking about things that don’t work?
nailed it!
reminds me of the UPS I have my many computers, TVs, etc. plugged into. They’ll work for some minutes- enough to shut everything down properly. Batteries for the grid won’t do better than that. Give you just enough time to flip the switch on your light bulbs- but hardly worth trillions of dollars.
Renewables are intermittent, so you need some way of storing energy when they’re not producing anything, so (simplified example) in theory you can install twice as much solar as you need, store half of the energy during the day, run it down at night, and that might work.
In practice, the amount of storage needed to back up a wind/solar grid is so astronomically huge as to be both economically and technically impossible.
The reason we keep talking about it, the renewables salesmen will try to convince you the first paragraph is correct, but skip over the second one.
Secondary batteries (rechargeable). Clarification is due to primary batteries produce electricity without being charged. Just a nit.
Because these things not working is the entire point? I mean, if there suddenly was a way to make any of them work well, the usual quacks would swiftly find it harmful to invisible pink unicorns, or whatever.
Kamala says these “investments” in renewables will pay for themselves. She and other politicians tend to say this about everything as they stuff their pockets and bank accounts and especially those of their financiers.
It’s all lies of course, and the expanding level of U.S. debt proves this. https://www.usdebtclock.org/
If these “programs’ paid for themselves we would have at least a balanced budget and fewer homeless encampments.
The politicians and their apparatchiks are robbing and silencing us blind.
re: “Kamala says …”
This sounds vaguely similar to “Simon says”, which is a children’s game if I recall …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Says
You just defined government edicts.
Will pay for themselves – with what money?
Investments ‘pay for themselves’ by generating sales producing sufficient revenue to cover costs, recover initial capital input, and provide a return better than leaving the invested amount on deposit or invested elsewhere. Since no ‘green’ project goes ahead or survives without massive subsidy, the businesses are not viable and such revenue will not materialise.
Opportunity cost – the cost of doing A instead of B – will be a factor unknown to Kama Kama Kama Khameleon. If it is higher than the return on the investment, the investment does not pay for itself – it is a loss. Of course that describes all Government ‘investments’ – like beer drinkers investing in breweries, and we know where their investment ends up.
But, but, but opportunity economics…. /s
Thanks for the ear worm, I’ve been trying to get rid of that for days, now it’s back.
re: “One broken wind turbine blade shut down Massachusetts beaches. What would hurricanes do?”
Wrongthink; Strike one and 1,000 negative social credits.
Think positive thoughts, Moriarty, think positive thoughts baby! /s (<– closing sarcasm tag)
Primarily Europe is making oodles of subsidy money while “helping” the US become dependent on them, plus the US gets to pay three to four times higher wholesale electric costs, thanks to that “help”
The Obama holdover cabal steering the clueless Biden/Harris duo is bending over backwards to make it happen and enrich themselves and friends in the process.
Increasing CO2 is BENEFICIAL for flora and fauna
Elect Trump by a landslide to put an end to all this woke idiocy, and MAGA
Europe?
I think you mean China.
both
There may be a tiny little problem with that: why would those who peddle and enforce «all this woke idiocy» elect Trump? Much less let him do anything?
A healthy, objective mind would already be questioning the practicality of wind as an alternative to other very green alternatives (e.g natural gas and nuclear which we already know have no real downsides).
The unhealthily obsessed green cult does not want to know that their alternatives are not just unfit for purpose environmentally but are much dirtier than ever was the stuff they are apparently trying to wean us away from. And that is apparent before we even look at whether or not they will do a decent job in the future which already seems to be looking very, very doubtful..
Coal is green too – lots of plant food emissions. Its extraction causes less enviro damage than oil/gas/nuke.
But all solar and wind projects are holy to Gaia, and the usual standards just do not apply!
I wonder whether these off-shore turbine companies will be able to get insurance, or if so at what cost?
In the UK recently a number of insurers have declined to insure BEVs, others increased premiums by 70%, for example, as the risk of fires, repair costs and battery damage emerged.
“With no bonds or requirements that Big Wind cover cleanup and turbine removal costs, electricity-bereft taxpayers and ratepayers would be left holding the bag.”
But that won’t stop third-party lawsuits for loss or damage.
If they are exempt even from the obvious liabilities («even waive requirements that offshore wind developers post bonds and pay for removing damaged, broken and obsolete offshore wind towers»), what’s the chance that all those loyal courts will not sing to the same tune?
Even if they will hesitate to follow General Line of Party (perhaps due to conflict of interests, when the mess of broken plastic bothers personally them), why couldn’t the Circus World simply create speshul courts for these cases, which would always give the same answer, no matter evidence — much like those infamous “family” courts?
Then no problems with insurance.
Comments stuck in moderation? I had one comment with a YT link about nuclear vs natural gas plant costs that disappeared when I did a webpage refresh …
I’m curious about the engineering design criteria for these giant turbines in terms of maximum wind speed, load distribution and safety factor. Have any full-scale tests been done? Are there any examples of offshore turbines that have survived wind speeds at hurricane cat 2-5 levels?
We’ve already seen what tornadoes do to onshore wind turbines, but we generally recognize that it is uneconomic to build things like this strong enough to survive a tornado. However, since the footprint of a tornado is small the losses will not be more than one or two units per event. But if these things can’t survive hurricane forces, one storm could take out an entire project with dozens of turbines. That would be both and ecological and financial disaster of enormous consequence.
One or 2 per event … scale it up by the numbers and densities of the turbines.
An EF 5 with a damage diameter of a mile will take out more than one or 2.
“ financial disaster” to the taxpayers, as these things are always subsidized.
Perhaps a hurricane spoiling the beach properties of the Progressive elite with tons of wildmill debris will be what it takes to put an end to it. Progressivism is only fun as long as you can afford to insulate yourself from the consequences of it.
What about Nor’easters?
“I’m not a microbiologist, but I’m not aware of any microbes that devour fiberglass, resin or plastic foam.”
Jumping off a George Carlin riff: Gaia needs such microbes for reasons only she knows. How to get them? First create humans. Next have humans create fiberglass, resins, and plastic foam. Scatter bits and pieces of this stuff widely. Now colonize the detritus with thousands of existing organisms and wait a few years. Eureka! New microbes are born. 😇
Life finds a way.
Dr. Ian Malcom (Jurassic Park)
Fiberglass is ugly stuff when things go wrong. And it is a stupid choice. Aluminum alloys can do the same job with a huge advantage for recycling. Companies will pay for the rights to salvage failed alloy blades.
Ask yourself this question. If fiberglass is such a good choice, why are sailboat masts made of aluminum alloys. Why not fiberglass?
More and more boat builders are switching from fiberglass to aluminum for hulls and decks because of the problems.
Fiberglass suffers from a huge problem due to EPA restrictions on formulation. The original fiberglass was near bullet proof. But over the years the formula has been repeatedly changed to make it more environmentally friendly and much more prone to failure. Epoxies have some structural advantages over polyester, but at a huge cost.
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