Climate skeptic Nigel Farage has established a beachhead in British politics, at the cost of delivering a supermajority to the green socialist Labour party.
Labour leader Keir Starmer is now Britain’s Prime Minister. But nobody knows what will happen next.
British Labour, which champions hard green policies, except on days when they don’t, has won a landslide victory in today’s British national election, but only because climate Skeptic Nigel Farage split the Conservative vote.
This election has upended British politics. A strange new landscape is revealed
Rafael Behr
Fri 5 Jul 2024 13.47 AESTTribal loyalties and political certainties are falling away, but the Conservatives have been felled by a determined coalition
Elections do not change countries overnight. They reveal changes that were hidden – or visible but neglected – beneath layers of political complacency and cultural habit. The seismic event that has delivered Labour a vast haul of seats tells of tectonic pressure that started building long before Rishi Sunak’s rain-sodden campaign launch six weeks ago, in what already feels like a distant land.
Although opinion polls made a Conservative defeat look inevitable, there is a difference between forecasting regime change and waking up in a Britain that has dispatched scores of Tory MPs to political oblivion and chosen Keir Starmer to be prime minister with a commanding majority.
To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure. The imperative to punish the Tories for years of political malpractice was palpable on the campaign trail in a way that exultant Starmer fandom was not. But contempt for an incumbent government and enthusiasm for the only available replacement are never exactly matched. The volume of Liberal Democrat gains in some former Conservative strongholds is partly an endorsement of Ed Davey’s party, but swing voters in those constituencies knew that evicting the local Tory would help propel Starmer into Downing Street. They were happy to take that chance.
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The same cultural faultline shows up in the handful of seats that Reform has won and many more where Nigel Farage’s party has pushed the Tories into third place. On terrain prepared by the 2016 leave vote, Reform has embedded itself as the natural repository for dissatisfaction with the status quo. Farage himself, finally achieving penetration of the Commons after seven failed attempts, will act as a beacon of anti-Westminster, anti-immigration, nationalist reaction. He will exploit his new parliamentary berth much as he used the platform he had as a member of the European parliament, sabotaging the institution from within, feasting on the privileges it affords him while denouncing the whole system as rotten.
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/05/election-results-labour-conservatives-upended-british-politics
Obviously there were many other issues at play than climate policy, though cost of living rises caused by failed Conservative green energy policies were a significant factor.
But let’s focus on climate policy. What are Keir Starmer’s plans for Britain?
OK, Starmer is not keen on climate policy. Or is he?
Seems pretty keen on climate change right? Or is he?
Whatever Starmer does, he has to restore growth, provide lots of factory jobs for the unions, implement the Woke agenda, without upsetting some of his more socially conservative supporters, and provide lots of subsidies for energy and jobs, without creating a debt blowout which could collapse the British economy.
Meanwhile Farage, who took 14% of the national vote and threatens a real political breakout in the next election, will be doing what Farage does best, calling out every mistake and misstep, reminding voters why his is the party of lower energy bills, and an end to wasteful government spending.
This is going to be an interesting five years in British politics.
“… green socialist…”
Tautological.
Yep, the previous green socialist Party (aka the Cons) has been replaced by another green socialist Party. One down, one to go!
It seems to me that the election was a HUGE loss for voter who want to stop the Nut Zero insanity.
This is what I think happened:
Leftists (Labour Party) Get about 412 of 650 seats in Parliament, with Liberals (Tory Party) having Worst Result in Its History: Actual conservatives (Reform Party) gets about 13 seats.
I don’t know how many MPs oppose Nut Zero, but I suspect only 13 of them do.
What happened is what always happens: one to the other….
And Parliament gets its way
What do you think about proportional representation, Strat?
I used to think FPTP was the right way because that’s how it is in the UK. Now I’m leaning towards PR because the current political gravy train needs derailing.
I was also a strong supported of QEII, but Charlie’s not my darlin’
I think the entire system has to go.
If you can only get 38% of the total vote (from a lowly 60% turnout) but still have 60+% of the seats, then landslide is not the first term that comes to mind. (and they thought that 51% v 48% – around 1.5 million votes was not enough for a mandate for Brexit).
Dull as dishwater Starmer will be shafted by all of his much more militant comrades sooner rather than later.
The problem is that when you try to pander to every minority’s “needs” you end up with mixed signals – the intolerant liberal left are very unforgiving and impatient.
If he has any sense, then avoiding the Net Zero poison chalice for as long as possible would be a good start – let Ed Moribund back himself and his delusions into a corner!
It’s going to be (another) 4 or 5 miserable years in the UK 🙁
Unfortunately, it doesn’t really matter how many MP’s oppose Net Zero, it matters how many Civil Servants do. And the answer is probably close to zero – at least, among those that wish to keep their positions. Nothing happens in the UK that the blob doesn’t want – Yes, Minister may have been a comedy, but as with all good comedy there’s a big helping of truth attached.
When Prime Minister Farage eventually wins, there is a critical change he will have to make to set this right – dismantle the idea that politicians can’t arbitrarily fire civil servants. That is the critical failure of thinking which has made the current mess possible. If you can’t fire them, you can’t control them.
I don’t think Farage will ever be PM, but I do think and hope he’s paving the way for real change in the UK
Prime Minister Farage! Both hilarious and appalling in equal measure. Farage has got more chance of being PM than I have of lowering haystacks from the boat deck of the Lusitania!
Reform has 5 seats.
Yes, a loss for anyone opposed to Net Zero. But electing the Conservatives wouldn’t have helped. Same path, just a bit slower.
Correction
Based on early exit polls, one source was estimating 13 Reform seats while the actual total was only 5.
There was an unprecedented gap between the 4 million votes Reform received (out of about 22.5 million) and the tiny number of seats they won. Same pattern for the Green Party.
If the seats were actually proportional to the number of votes, the results would have been very different
Results assuming UK general election voting system was under proportional representation:
Labour: 219
Conservative: 154
Reform: 93
Lib Dem: 79
Green: 44
SNP: 16
Yes, but Britain does not have proportional representation and should never have. P.R. cements in political parties and they are the real problem regardless of which way they lean. They ensure that the type of person who should not have power does and that power is disproportionate.
So the Tories got slammed because they looked just like Labour and than the people vote Labour. What do they think the outcome will be ?
Clearly, a large number of former Conservative supporters wanted to make their anger felt by voting for Reform UK; sadly, not enough of them to break through (tho’ tactical voting with the intention of punishing the Conservatives has unexpectedly given the Liberal Democrats 71 seats). Perhaps people should be careful what they wish for…
Meanwhile in Scotland, Labour benifited from disillusionment with the Scot Nats.
Reform got more votes than the Lib Dem’s and only 4 seats
The new Prime Minister: Mr Flip Flop.
Slippery StarmerA potted history of his flip-flopping, u-turns and flagrant dishonesty.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/13/slippery-starmer/
“””Here’s Keir Starmer on immigration, in 2020:
‘We have to make the case for freedom of movement.’
And here’s Keir Starmer on immigration, a few weeks ago:
‘Well, immigration is at a record high under this government – a complete failure. We need to bring it down.’
I think you get the picture.”””
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/13/slippery-starmer/
Before long the empty vessel will be filled…
Sounds like our inept PM Albanese in Australia, God help you then!
As Shytot indicated, maybe he will wisely let Ed Moribund hang himself over NZ policies, then save the day by sacking him and getting together a more moderate energy agenda to give unionists back real jobs in heavy industry by encouraging investment in cheap traditional reliable power, instead of continuing to subsidize inefficient renewables and charging the public for it through their bills.
“… To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure. “
60% turnout, second lowest (59%) in history. Labour won with lowest share of vote ever. The Labour leader’s majority was half what it had been in the last election. The new Party Reform UK was second place in 100 seats usually Labour and Conservative are in top two slots. Many Labour seats won with small margins.
So, no it isn’t a positive endorsement of either Labour or the political establishment.
And then there is the crazy system. Reform got 16% of the vote and 4 seats, Liberal Democrat’s got 11% and 71 seats.
The [perceived] least worst or to stop x from winning etc.
Now the workings of so-called British democracy can be seen for the loaded dice it actually is
July 4 was obviously a sad day for Americans as they lamented their treasonous actions against the British Crown all those years ago.
It is now also a day when the British public committed treason against their own country by voting in a party commited to financially ruinous ecoloon climate policies, welcoming illegal immigrants, more kowtowing to the European Union, implementing ludicrous gender identity laws, imposing woke ideology and all that on top of the usual socialist nonsense.
Most of the world wonders why the US now has a choice between two geriatrics, both with few positive attributes. Yet in many western democratic countries, the choice of of potential leaders is equally dire, as has been recently witnessed in the UK and France.
I think I shall go and eat worms.
This was posted elsewhere:
Several benefits:
Great, except the US is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. The founders were well aware of the potential for mob rule, which is why they created a second co-equal legislative chamber (Senate) wherein each state had equal representation. I can’t even imagine what kind of a mess we’d be in if representation in that chamber was proportional.
thanks Frank, and I am still looking for the Labor platform, but suspect it is windmills, no new nukes, restrictions on ICE autos and the standard warmist agenda we have in the U.S.
I don’t think the British voters voted in a party, I think they voted out a party. It will be interesting to see whether Reform can make good use of their four seats.
The other interesting question is – who gets the Tory leadership? The stupid Tory elites managed to prevent Kemi Badenoch from getting the leadership before. Now that so many of them have lost their seats, I imagine that Kemi can get in this time (if I have understood the Tory party rules correctly).
Good comment. Looks to me like the British electorate has concluded that the ‘Conservatives’ haven’t conserved anything, particularly with respect to promoting limited government. I’m sure there will be tough times ahead, but hopefully a truly liberal alternative to Labor collectivism will arise.
“a choice between two geriatrics,”
Trump was a terrific president. no matter that he was viciously hounded every step of the way. If he gets in again, wiser and more seasoned, I expect a better presidency.
If he appoints Vivek Ramaswamy to oversee the closure of Executive Departments and bureaucracies, then we may see an end of Education, DHS, EEOC, and the EPA, at least. Purging the Woke from the military, the FDA, the CDC, the CIA and the FBI. And possibly departure from the UN.
All to a cheering electorate.
Perfect, Pat. I couldn’t improve on that post.
“If he gets in again, wiser and more seasoned, I expect a better presidency.”
Well that wont be hard. According to C Span he is considered the worst president in the last 150 years….
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?personid=20967
And they are not the only ones….
https://presidentialgreatnessproject.com/
Says the simpleton that supports a mumbling, bumbling dementia-ridden fool who has brought the US to the brink of economic disaster and make it a point of mockery the world over..
Did you cheer the senile old git on during the debate, simpleton !!
Did you cheer when Jill told him, “you answered all the questions”, as if to a kindergarten student ?
I read her PhD dissertation, and can confirm she has a Doctorate in Kindergarten-speak
You are such a lame silly man aren’t you. If you could understand what you read (there are two parts to reading… word recognition and understanding. Earth to bnice2000… one is useless without the other) you would know I have been saying for quite sometime that Biden needs to go. But I have always qualified it with … so does Trump. The world and US need to get out of this hole where the public despise them both.
Yawn, get your derangement syndrome fixed, simpleton.
So do you want Michelle Obama or that Californian moron?
Trump is a far better person that you will ever be…
… and far more intelligent that you will ever be.
Only the far-left cretins like you despise Trump, and only because they believe far-left media propaganda and lies.
Also, because he opens his mouth and confirms what we all know, and does it over and over again. Or perhaps you have a different Trump in your own tiny, simple world. I’d have to have a double lobotomy and an anvil fall on my head for Trump to be more intelligent. Your bar for intelligence seems to be suspiciously low…
I lived his presidency. The nay-sayers are wrong.
Biden would be thw worst president in 240 years, if he were president. In that case, Barack Obama would be second worst.
Two democrats. Well that is a surprise. Actually Obama comes in at 10 just after Reagan. I’d say that’s fair.
While we are on it… does it not worry you that some of the “best people” Trump appointed have absolutely no time for him at all. Zero, they see him as a clown. Tillerson, Barr, General Kelly, General Mattis, Bolton, all of them see him as an utterly incompetent fool of a man who is totally unfit for the job. I mean, someone is wrong here, Trump or them?
We see you as an utterly incompetent fool who is taken in by all the far-left media lies and propaganda.
As a result, you have zero grasp of the real world.
You are totally unfit to be commenting on any rational blog.
Tillerton was an energy executive.. why was he making comments on China.. sour grapes !!
Barr wasn’t on board with Trumps correct opinion of 2020 election fraud.. so what.
Mattis was a RINO.. so an incompetent fool himself.
Bolton was a disreputable warmongering turncoat who didn’t agree with Trump’s more diplomatic approach….
These were the ones not fit for their jobs. !
“all of them see him as … totally unfit for the job”
And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.
And so who’s the fool — Trump, who succeeded, or Tillerson, Barr, General Kelly, General Mattis, Bolton, who deny the evidence before their eyes (as you, too, clearly do) for purely partisan reasons?
Michelle Obama said that the first thing America ever did to make her proud was to elect Barack. He shares her anti-Americanism.
Barack Obama is the first president since Woodrow Wilson to detest the Constitution. He took every opportunity to stoke racial hatred. He regularly entertained Al Sharpton at the White House. He grinned and buddied up to Louis Farrakhan, who, in the bitterest of ironies, claims a religious right to take slaves. In Cuba Barack Obama sat in comradely fashion with that bloody-handed cold-eyed killer Raoul Castro and let himself be photographed posing before a heroic profile of Che Gurevara, a psychopathic socialist murderer.
Barack Obama is not an American patriot. He will never be reckoned a good president by any one who cherishes individual freedom, or supports the United States as a Constitutional Republic of rights-holding sovereign citizens.
Barack Obama honors nothing of what makes America exceptional.
There is so much bullshit in this it belongs in a paddock. But I’ll give you a chance.
Have you got quotes for
….. Barack Obama detesting the Constitution. Because I have one for Trump saying he wanted to terminate it. “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
….. M Obama saying ” that the first thing America ever did to make her proud was to elect Barack.”
I’ll wait…..
Here I’ll help you…. “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country — and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.“
That is very different to what you said.
She was saying it was one of the proudest moments for her as an American. Why the hell wouldn’t she be… her husband just got elected president and he got there because the people want the changes he was offering to bring. I would be too.
And while we are talking about wive of presidents…. where is Melania?
No sweat Simon. You have tendentiously misinterpreted Trump’s statement (no surprise, as misrepresenting Trump is an industry among progressives).
His “allows” refers to “massive fraud.”
The clear meaning is that he pointed out that the fraud itself terminated the Constitution.
Barack Obama: his entire approach to the Constitution is yeah, but. If he had his way, every right would be equivocated into non-existence in the cause of so-called social justice and ending so-called hate speech.
Equal justice before the law: gone as a principle
Freedom of speech: gone to protect the narrative.
Michelle Obama (your below): Your bolded phrase constitutes her afterthought. Her first time ever for pride was election of Barack.
For her “change,” see the above about Barack.
America:
The first state to assert the sovereign rights of individuals: no pride
The first state to center on individual rights: no pride
Bill of Rights: no pride
Civil War to end slavery: no pride
13th, 14th & 15th Amendments: no pride
Brown vs Board of Education: no pride.
Ending segregation and Jim Crow: no pride
Fighting Nazism and Japanese imperialism: no pride
Protecting Europe and the world from Soviet- and PRC-imposed slave states: no pride.
Michelle Obama is as a mindless prog., blind to a history that does not facilitate her prejudices.
Dream on, Simon.
Nothing you posted here shows that Obama “detested” the constitution. Nothing.
“The clear meaning is that he pointed out that the fraud itself terminated the Constitution.” But he was lying when he said the election was fraudulent. He had been told by numerous advisors, his own daughter, the attorney general and the guy he put in charge of running the election that there was no significant fraud (no more than usual). A lie does not permit someone to justifiably suspend anything, let alone the constitution. And the damage this lie has brought on the people, the democratic process and the rule of law in the US is huge. Yet you hold this charlatan in high regard. Says it all.
“Nothing you posted here shows that Obama “detested” the constitution. Nothing.”
Except his disrespect of rule of law, and of free speech. Apart from that, nothing.
“But he was lying..” Well, except for the corrupted voter rolls.
“Mark Wingate, a Fulton County [Georgia] Elections Board member, testifies that he voted against certifying the 2020 election because the county did not verify the signatures on 147,000 mail-in ballots.
“”I asked what did we do for signature verification? And the comment I got back frankly floored me, ‘We didn’t do any.'”
Additionally, the county could not provide any chain of custody documentation or surveillance footage for mail-in ballots or ballot drop boxes.”
Mark Wingate’s affidavit (pdf)
“Except his disrespect of rule of law, and of free speech.”
And you support Trump. Look up the word “hypocrite.” Trump the man who wants to shut down the free press. Trump the man who wants to subvert the democratic process. Trump the man who wants to prosecute anyone who dares hold him accountable.
And your Mark Wingate is one person in a sea others who have lied. Maybe he told the truth maybe he didn’t. The Trump cult members have said and done some terrible things. Start with Rudy Giuliani’s persecution of the Freemans, the election workers he now has to pay millions to for circulating outrageous lies about what they did.
Good luck and rant on, Simon.
“And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.”
Millions of California Predecessor lovers, including you, are effectively disenfranchised by the current winner take all electoral rules in most blue states. I hope you agree with me that all states should have proportional electoral representation. After all, your strong sense of integrity could not point you otherwise.
“California Predecessor lovers”
I’ve no idea what that means.
The electoral system as described in the Constitution, is fine.
Must have missed the last SOTU. Who was the US president before 46? IOW, his predecessor?
I am referring to proportional electoral representation, a la Maine, Nebraska, in every state. No constitutional change required. Up for it?
I’m not interested in ushering in a democracy by the back door.
Also, I’d like to see repeal of the direct election of senators section of the 17th Amendment.
“And yet, Trump did a great job, even surrounded as he was by political jackals.”
And let’s not forget these were “political jackals” he employed.
Some of them, true. One doesn’t expect such widespread partisan betrayal by members of one’s own administration. He should be wiser, if there’s a next time.
But I was referring more to the Pelosi/Schiff axis and their associated crew of legislative scoundrels, who pushed the Steele document knowing it was false, and used it to leverage a fabricated (and likely treasonous) impeachment.
I belong to no political party, Simon. In past years, I tended to vote for democrats. I voted for Barack Obama, first term.
But he revealed himself as a progressive first and loyal to the Constitution never.
Meanwhile, the Democrat party under his suzerainty has gone full Jacobin, with virtually no protest from the legislative membership. Virtually none of them appear to honor their oath of office. I’ll never vote that party again, ever.
Trump was an appalling President, but at least he confirmed what the rest of the world had known for a long time – the intellectual state of the majority of US voters is as bad as it appears, and they’re proud of it. Trump wiser? Wiser than what? A dung beetle? A slug? A Sea Cucumber? He’s already set the bar ridiculously low – if he manages put his trousers on the right way round, that’s a major cognitive achievement.
Not just the worst President, but one of the worst examples of a human being I, and many others, have ever seen – and that he has supporters… how the entire US does not burst into flames from shame is beyond me.
All true. Which is why 46 can effectively hold us hostage. No one wants a presidency run by advisors and wives, a la ’84-’88. But even years of Weekend at Bernie’s is preferable to the reversal of US democratic norms under Predecessor.
“is beyond me”
Evidently, a lot is beyond you.
The ecoloons want you to eat worms to save the planet. The old order of party dominated representation is rotten to the core and like a rotten tree oftentimes it takes a storm to bring it down exposing new shoots.
It would be fairer to say
Blairites you mean..
Bingo!
I am told that the ‘average’ seat was won with 42% of the vote.
With a multi-party FPTP system that is to be expected.
Normally it would relapse to a two party system where anyone who didn’t want labour in, would vote Tory as the least worst alternative.
The Tories made themselves a more worse alternative.
There is no political talent in te Labour party whatsoever. They will also disintegrate in the next 5 years.
Either the Tories will completely reorganise themselves or Reform will win.
Our answer to AOC
Not AOC – that’s what we call a bulldog chewing a bumble bee, with apologies to any bulldogs out there 😉
Context?
The picture of Angela Raynor in the Leo Smith post
‘Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities’
I guess every government should have one.
You only need look at who is ‘advising’ Labour on energy. Environmental and renewable lobbies to the absolute exclusion of anyone else.
We will see grid blackouts in this governments time
“Climate skeptic Nigel Farage has established a beachhead in British politics, at the cost of delivering a supermajority to the green socialist Labour party.”
No, that would have happened, Farage or not. The blame is solely on the Tories betraying the British people.
An apathetic British people. If one doesn’t vote, they have no reason to complain when the government does stupid things.
Easy to be apathetic when the choice is rubbish, rubbish or rubbish. Perhaps disillusioned more than apathetic.
The tories brought about their own downfall. If there was no Reform party to vote for, the turnout would’ve been a LOT lower.
Oh stop all your sobbing! … Rishi said he’s sorry. He apologized. For what, I have no idea. But he apologized. Most likely for not being woke-enough, global warming/net-zero enough, refugee-welcoming-enough, trans-enough, or anti-British enough.
https://youtu.be/OGcn15ODltA?si=CleyYJ3RFxv2cd7W
And yeah … there’s a reason I chose a “Pretenders” tune to drive the point home. Cuck-servative Pretenders describe the Tories to a ‘T’
Unfortunately under labour we’ll be back on the chain gang with no brass in pocket!
To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure.
If the author can’t measure the level of positive endorsement or otherwise from the results, he should quit his job. It’s so simple it’s unbelievable.
On a personal level, Keir Starmer saw his own majority in Holborn and St Pancras cut dramatically by Andrew Feinstein, an Independent campaigning against the Gaza genocide and Starmer’s public endorsement of it. So his own constituents gave him a public spanking, even if it wasn’t sufficient to throw him out of Parliament.
As for the Party, it secured 34% of the popular vote, the lowest in modern times of any party entering majority Government. As a comparison, he secured 4.4 million less votes than John Major did in 1992, but gained 150 odd extra seats. He secured 3.2 million less votes than the ‘unelectable’ Jeremy Corbyn in 2017, who everyone said was a failure.
Labour’s sole achievement was to be the beneficiary of a ridiculous voting system which amplifies the success of the top party and visciously discriminates against smaller parties whose vote is not entirely concentrated into small areas (like Wales for the Welsh Nationalists, the various parties which contest elections in Northern Ireland). Reform UK got over 4 million votes, around 40% of what Labour achieved. They got 1% of the seats that Labour got, which is a farce of the first order.
So it’s absolutely bleedin’ obvious: Starmer’s party won simply because everyone wanted the Tories out. Everyone thought Starmer was a sleeping pill par excellence in terms of campaigning.
But because Labour and the Libdems had a pact to vote tactically and because most votes Reform UK garnered were a positive vote of those who had given up on the Conservative Party, the FPTP system gave Labour hugely more seats than they should have got.
The MSM, as ever so far up their own backsides that their eyes can just about see out of their mouths, are spinning this relentlessly as ‘a sea change in politics’.
For the ordinary folks on the streets, there’s zero sign of any change. Starmer will keep doing what Washington and Israel tell him to do, he will continue with the Net Zero nonsense, he will let the rich stay rich and he will make the middle class much, much poorer.
But let no-one at WUWT be in any doubt, Starmer does not have any kind of mandate from the people.
He just has a pass to 10 Downing Street which was arranged so conveniently by the way that the votes happened to fall in 650 independent elections.
And what do you think about the electoral college?
I briefly saw a reporter in the UK saying that the people voted for a change from the incompetency of the previous party. The citizenry was tired of massive inflation and skyrocketing fuel costs.
He went on to say that the new party will work on lowering inflation and develop green projects to lower energy costs.
I didn’t stop laughing for five minutes. You guys are sooo screwed.
My condolences.
FJB
Frying pan -> Fire.
Frying pan -> Dante’s inferno !!
Good luck surviving this !
Yep: along with Australia, Germany, Spain …..
Who do you think will be the first to hit bottom?
When the blackouts start and people revolt, will the military join the people or the elites?
“only because climate Skeptic Nigel Farage split the Conservative vote”
Sorry, assumes facts not in evidence…namely that if Nigel Farage’s party were to magically disappear, all those voters would have voted for the Tories.
My understanding is that voters were thoroughly disgusted with the Tories because of their unwillingness to address pretty much ANY of the issues they were elected to address. They basically just rubber stamped every left wing idea whether on immigration, climate, energy, etc.
So Brit Conservatives are understandably disillusioned. If that’s actually the case (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), Nigel didn’t “split the conservative vote”, the Tories did by not earning the votes of their constituents, and based on what I’ve heard, it’s unlikely those Farage voters would have voted for the Tories no matter what.
I get the principle of choosing the lesser of two evils, but when there’s no “lesser” because the two evils act exactly the same…
Spot on. If there was no Reform Party in my constituency I would have spoilt my voting paper by writing “None Of The Above” across it. Since 2020 I have found that necessary in the local elections. Fortunately there was a Reform Candidate and he got my vote.
I agree many Reform voters would have stayed at home if there was no Reform, but some of them would have held their noses and voted Conservative.
On the other hand I see this as a good thing, even though Britain has paid a heavy price – fake Conservatives getting a good kicking at the ballot box, and massive confirmation that a growing number of Brits want what Nigel Farage is offering.
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“Whatever Starmer does, he has to restore growth… without creating a debt blowout which could collapse the British economy”.
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UK has voted to ensure themselves a debt crisis.
Yes.
We’re already in a debt crisis.
Government spending never has and never will spark an economic recovery
“…creating a debt blowout….”
Sorry, if you give up all your value added manufacturing jobs to China over decades, then your citizens order manufactured goods from China for decades more to save money because the loss of manufacturing has sent the economy into the doldrums….until you lose your ability to manufacture even household pots and pans economically….surviving on only circular “would-you-like-fries-with-that” economics with governments making more money on sales tax than the businesses do in profits…..
….Well you are screwed….very unlikely restoration can effectively occur….you are well on your way to becoming one of those dirt mounds under which archeologists discover some interesting artifacts in 8000 years or so….plus they assume climate change is why everyone is gone, rather than nobody being able to do any work for which someone else will pay them….
Farage said it would take 5 years to establish a serious large counter movement. 4 years of Labour in these troubled times should be enough to clinch that. Things were going to get much worse whomever w be in government. Farage can pick up the pieces..
How is ‘keir’ pronounced?
K-ear
Rhymes with “beer” …
… and that’s Sir Keir Starmer to you (and me) …
Us Yanks don’t recognize titles…we had a revolution a few years back.
Starmer who spent his (working) holidays in communist Czechoslovakia and campaigned to abolish the UK Monarchy YET accepts a Knighthood! He also thinks women can have penises! (honestly). I would trust Big Joe before I would trust Sir Keir.
R Sole 🙂
Who really won? It’s that invisible party …. the Marxists. Democracy world wide is under attack and most people don’t even realize it. Start with never ending catastrophes promoted by the media to scare the populace, bankrupt the sitting governments, dilute the incumbent peoples’ voting power by flooding the country with aliens who’ve been promised and given their nirvana and escape from Marxism (only to reappear), and voila …. you have a new leader that will correct all the sins of Democracy.
An overwhelming vote for Labour in the UK is like an overwhelming vote for the present Jacobin-controlled Democrats in the US. it’s a vote for the destruction of one’s country.
The British electorate have voted to smother the UK into oblivion.
Not so sure. 5 years may seem like a long time, but it’s the price that has to be paid to get rid of a useless government. If Britain can survive the 5 years, they may find that the spell has been broken and they can progress again.
I’ll tell you what — The US would not survive another 4 years of a Biden-like presidency.
Good luck to the UK, but with open boarders, Net Zero, and supine police, I don’t think the UK will either. The successor state will call itself the UK, but the center will be gone. It may take another kinetic restoration to set things right.
Agreed, you are being optimistic, but will the UK start looking after its economy and its people’s welfare now, instead of following the UN/EU climate mantra and related energy dystopia worrying about a future climate episode that will likely never happen?
The real issues are economic growth, more industrial jobs and cheaper electricity, so that people feel progress is being made again. We do not need the negativity of a supposed climate crisis with rules forcing us to change our living environment, our cars, the way we heat our houses, with no benefits in sight and a burgeoning bureaucracy sucking away all our taxes. If Labour cannot deliver us from any of these problems, and continues with the big government approach, then they will have failed us badly just like the Tories did.
Labour will be happy to cooperate…
Joe Biden has said he is “proud” to be the first “black woman to serve with a black president”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/07/05/biden-first-black-woman-serve-with-black-president/
Same wavelength
So, he identifies as a black woman now. Questioning that self-declared identification is a hate-crime, isn’t it?
Reform have taken Basildon making it 5 seats
Every country gets the government it deserves.
-Joseph de Maistre
Buckle up, Brits. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for the next few years. On the bright side, perhaps your country will serve as a cautionary tale for other countries considering the woke greenie path. I expect to see monumental levels of stupidity until you guys flush this government.
Agree. It has been said many, many times that Socialism has never, ever worked or been successful. There reply is always Our socialism is different!
To what extent the results express a positive endorsement of Labour and its leader is hard to measure.
No, its very easy to measure. Just look not at seats but at percentage of vote. It was 34%. Lower than Corbyn a few years back, when he got the lowest number of Labour seats since the 1930s.
This was partly a vagary of the electoral system, partly due to splitting of the right wing vote between Reform and the Conservatives. And that was due to a move to the left of the Conservatives. Another element was simply fatigue. Both of the party, in office for 14 years now, and of the electorate, tired of being given soothing assurances and no action.
Here’s a breakdown of the main parties’ performance:
Five years is highly unlikely. Labour will quickly inherit the deep problems that the Cons could not handle and they will not either. Reform will gain (again) when Labour fails. Jo Nova has useful data on this at
https://joannenova.com.au/2024/07/farage-wins-in-the-uk-taking-14-across-the-country-the-revolt-against-the-establishment-is-underway/
Labour’s seat win is much bigger than their vote count, which is what really counts.
sabotaging the institution from within, feasting on the privileges it affords him while denouncing the whole system as rotten.
Than where’d all those votes come from? Maybe they didn’t believe in either Party as now constituted? Agreed, Labor governance might well suck, as did the ‘Conservative’ version for the last years. So what’s a citizen to do, bow and declare fealty to the losers at all costs? Mightily that concept sucketh. England needs take a deep breath, endure the antics of Green Labor, and see if Mr. Farage’s glacier grows or melts. If the greenies continue their program of Net Zero, that glacier may expand rather quickly when the power bills come due.
WUWT has an international audience.
Sometimes it gets confusing where a political party in which country generally stands on issues. (Particularly when a Party’s name and its stands mean just the the opposite of the word’s meaning in another country!)
It’d be nice to have a “Political Party Glossary”!
(But probably too hard to make since it would require constant editing!)
agreed Gunga….I used think Labor was like the U.S. Democrat party ( NOT democratic, but democrat) and the Republican pary was like the British “conservative” party.
I was preivelege to serve during the yeara we had that old, affable guy called Reagan and the Iron Lady. Their policies and persona won the Cold War.
Well, we shall see and hope the nut zero folks do not have a lot of influence.
Gums sends…
Brittan has the Magna Carta.
The US has the Declaration of Independence.
The latter largely inspired by the former.
Here in the US many work to undo, for all practical purposes, both.
“Hail Bureaucracy!
Bureaucracy Rules it’s slaves!”
(That’s the future for Briton’s and US citizens.)
PS Why was July 4th selected for the British elections?
Was this year just a calendarial coincidence?
(Really, just asking. I never noticed British elections on “The 4th of July” before.)
No-one knows. It may have been pure unplanned chaos by an incompetent Tory Party.
But I suspect it was a bid to boost the independence parties, like the SNP, who have taken seats from Labour in Scotland for the last decade.
The Tories, who are now English nationalists not British nationalists, do not do well outside of England.