Essay by Eric Worrall
An AAP Factcheck, a few wild claims, and an Andrew Doyle interview with British environmentalist Jim Dale which appears to have taken on a life of its own.
Climate change deniers not at risk of WEF arrest
William Summers June 7, 2024
AAP FACTCHECK – A website with a history of spreading misinformation claims the World Economic Forum (WEF) has ordered governments to arrest all climate change deniers.
The claim is false. The man said to have issued the “order” is a British meteorology consultant who told AAP FactCheck he has no links with the WEF, a global economic forum and think tank.
He also didn’t make any order or call for the arrest of all climate change deniers.
What he did say is that it should be illegal to promote climate denial in the media.
The false claim appears in an article published by The People’s Voice, a prolific publisher of viral misinformation and fake clickbait news stories.
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The article in question is headlined: “WEF Orders Govt’s To Arrest Citizens Who Oppose Man-Made Climate Change Narrative.”
It describes how environmentalist Jim Dale said it should be illegal for people to “promote” climate change denialism during a TV segment aired on GB News on May 12.
Mr Dale tells AAP FactCheck that the claim he spoke on behalf of the WEF is “totally false”.
Read more: https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/climate-change-deniers-not-at-risk-of-wef-arrest/
I tracked down the People’s Voice article. It appears to quote a WUWT article I wrote, though they added a few of their own interpretations.
WEF Orders Govt’s To Arrest Citizens Who Oppose Man-Made Climate Change Narrative
Fact checked by The People’s Voice Community
May 21, 2024 Sean Adl-Tabatabai
The World Economic Forum has ordered government’s to begin arresting citizens who oppose the man-made climate change narrative in a bid to persuade the masses that ‘global boiling‘ is a real danger.
Young Global Leader and British far-left environmentalist Jim Dale says all ‘climate deniers’ must be sent to jail in order to shut them up from convincing others that man-made global warming is fake.
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Dale did not specify what types of sanctions would apply to people who are still allowed to live outside of prison despite holding what he believes to be errant beliefs, but he did indicate that it would be up to politicians like Labour Party leader Keir Starmer.
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According to Watts Up With That, Earth is actually in a process of cooling right now, not warming. In fact, the climate is always changing up and down depending not only on the season but also the age.
If there were periods of extreme heat and extreme cold way back before there was even industrialization, then how can people like Dale claim that human activity is responsible for the temperature “extremes” that he claims are now taking place?
“Given the geological evidence is that we are living in a significant period of extreme cold, how can today’s temperatures possibly qualify as a global warming emergency?” Watts Up With That asked.
“Yet an opinion such as I just provided, a simple statement of fact, would likely be illegal under Jim Dale’s climate denial rules. Under Dale’s proposed rules, myself or anyone who retweets this article could go to jail or lose their house, merely for suggesting that people living in the middle of an ice age should be more concerned about glaciers than beach weather.”
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Read more: https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/wef-orders-govts-to-arrest-citizens-who-oppose-man-made-climate-change-narrative/
We are in the Quaternary Ice Age, and it is warmer than a few hundred years ago – though whether the world is cooling or warming very much depends on your choice of timescale and starting point.
I believe the referenced article was “Jail the Deniers? British Environmentalist Demands Criminal Sanctions”. As far as I can tell I didn’t mention the WEF in that article.
Environmentalist Jim Dale didn’t actually say “Jail the deniers” in the interview above, what he said is deniers should face criminal sanctions. But how can you have criminal sanctions without a threat of jail time? Jim Dale refused to be pinned down on exactly what criminal sanctions deniers should face, instead suggesting British opposition leader Keir Starmer should make that call.
Did the WEF order governments to begin arresting climate deniers?
I don’t believe the evidence People’s Voice presented in the article AAP Factchecked supports this claim, though if I missed anything I’m happy to add a correction.
I don’t recall Jim ever claiming to be a WEF spokesman, if he had I would have mentioned it. Frankly Jim seemed a little slow, he really struggled with simple questions, not the kind of person the WEF would normally pick as a representative.
We live in dangerous times. I accept People’s Voice’s suggestion that the disturbingly authoritarian hate speech laws which are being used to arrest people in Britain one day might be applied to climate denial. I also accept that the UN and WEF may be behind the push for international recognition of the crime of Ecocide, which could be used as a pretext to arrest climate skeptics. But these are all future possibilities. As far as I know, right now, today, nobody is being arrested for climate denial, and I have seen no evidence anyone has been ordered to arrest deniers.
Update (EW): h/t _Jim, Tom Abbott – More evidence the danger is real. The following is a video of RFK Jnr discussing past statements that climate deniers should be jailed for “fraudulent speech”. But right at the end of the video RFJ Jnr appears to sympathise with concerns that attempts to outlaw climate skepticism could be abused by authorities, much as authorities abused attempts to disagree with official Covid narratives, and implies his views changed after what he saw during the Covid crisis.
RFK Jnr is currently a significant third party candidate in the 2024 Presidential Election. I would be a lot happier if RFK Jnr categorically repudiated his former beliefs about jailing deniers, rather than just implying his attitude had softened, without making a hard statement of repudiation.
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“Criminal sanctions” would indeed seem to imply jail time.
That was why I felt justified adding the “Jail the deniers?” to the headline. Of course it is possible Jim Dale was just babbling nonsense he himself didn’t fully understand.
Typical babbling of climate whack jobs.
Climate alarmists do tend to babble a lot.
Having watched Jim Dale debating climate change on GBNews I’d say babbling no sense he didn’t understand is about right.
There are plenty of examples on YouTube
“Of course it is
possibleabsolutely certain Jim Dale was just babbling nonsense he himself didn’tfullyeven remotely understand.”That is his only option… always…
Bring back the pillory and the stock? Excise the tongue or cut of the writing hand? Send to China for use in the forced labor camps? Just hang them and be done with the problem?
The traditional punishment for heresy was burning at the stake.
I burnt my steak yesterday 🙁
Now that is heresy!
It’s also hearsay.
Did you take it back to the store you bought it from and get a carbon credit?
All good.
He also didn’t make any order or call for the arrest of all climate change deniers.
What he did say is that it should be illegal to promote climate denial in the media
Well that’s good news considering that Liberal Prosecution seems to think that no crime is illegal anymore, unless it’s a crime committed against them or their beliefs.
Wellll, maybe not SO good.
Ironically, after the climate catastrophists have destroyed the economies of the developed world it will be the climate sceptics that put it all back together to save the planet.
So, we getting comfy chairs? Or is it not like that inquisition?
Pillories all around and don’t spare the Iron Maidens
It’s the same old story again here. If you can’t win the game under the existing rules, just change the rules in your favor. And that’s precisely what the climate alarmists are trying to do since they’re fighting a consistent losing battle with the deniers. So just try to muzzle them completely or take criminal action against them. Why bother with logic or the facts?
Remember: a.44 beats 4 of a kind…
Perhaps the negative term “deniers” means they should be rounded up….and ….you know….placed in concentration camps?….call them “re-education centers?
where they’ll be sent to the showers to clean up
“Concentration Camp” is the old term, nowadays the official Chinese term is “Vocational education and training centers”.
There have been suggestions Conservative Politicians should be forced to undergo mandatory science re-education, but even if they are thinking it, most greens are too frightened to say such things in public, because of the obvious backlash and accusations which would follow such statements. Let’s hope it stays that way.
To late. One Dem Congresswoman publicly advocated today that all Trump supporters should be forcibly placed in ‘re-education camps’ (her words, not mine) since they were still supporting ‘a convicted felon’.
That’s what happens when you pit criminals in charge of the judicial branch and the executive branch
That’s not the first time the Dems have called for “re -education” of people they disagree with. Think back to just after the 2020 election when they called for MAGA people, that is, anybody who didn’t vote for Joe, to be put in camps.
Didn’t Hillary also say something like that a year or so ago? (Before there even was any trials.)
Jim Dale looks like a thug- who ought to be in prison. 🙂
I suspect that, for his own protection, a strait-jacket and padded room would be appropriate.
Protection from himself !!
This posts kerfuffle may be a newly overblown and misreported Jim Dale UK media hyperbole issue, but the underlying ugly reality is neither new nor overblown. In essay ‘Climatratrosophistry’ in ebook Blowing Smoke I documented (with footnotes) three such indelible instances in 2014 alone:
I am sure XR and the like have similar violent sentiments against those they see as impeding their fervent but stupid goals.
What this generally shows is that skeptics are slowing winning on the facts, sending alarmists into ever deeper pits of despair (Princess Bride reference).
They hate the following facts, so their solution is to ‘shoot the messenger’:
Absolutely – I think there is a lot of potential for things to get very ugly indeed. But as far as I know this ugliness hasn’t yet translated into large scale official action, so saying orders have been issued is at the very least a bit premature.
You do recall, not long ago, on the 20th anniversary of Hansen’s presentation to Congress, the articles in the mainstream media extolling the amazing insights and spot on accuracy of his many predictions in that presentation, do you not? That is the way they handle all conflicts with their holy scripture.
“sending alarmists into ever deeper pits of despair “
Which is popcorn-time slap-stick humour from my point of view. 🙂
I can’t help laughing when I see them getting all upset and weeping on the TV or youtube.. or anywhere. 🙂
Didn’t – wasn’t RFK Jr. advocating for the arrest of ‘climate deniers’ too? Not all that long ago too …
Yes, he was.
Sounds like he is still advocating for punishing climate skeptics:
And I rather like the idea of slapping RFK Jr about the face with a 4-day-old dead carp….
… but that’s not going to happen either.
It always starts out with just floating the insidious idea to see how strong the kickback is before actually implementing the tyranny.
Any warmunists who use fossil fuels should be thrown in the dungeon.
Does Jill Biden qualify as she flew back and forth to Europe just to spend one day in States. Seems like a lot of climate ruining CO2 was emitted by her flights.
What about the people who CLAIM there is a “climate crisis” (or whatever they call it this week) but keep on using fossil fuels? That would seem to be a crime of great hypocrisy.
I used to think people who claim there is a climate crisis were unscrupulous frauds, but after reading climategate, I now believe their beliefs are sincere, but they are wrong.
Famous physicist Freeman Dyson also expressed similar concerns in 2009.
e360: Do you think it’s because they don’t consider it important, or they just don’t know how to model it?
Dyson: Well, both. I mean it’s a fact that they don’t know how to model it. And the question is, how does it happen that they end up believing their models? But I have seen that happen in many fields. You sit in front of a computer screen for 10 years and you start to think of your model as being real. It is also true that the whole livelihood of all these people depends on people being scared. Really, just psychologically, it would be very difficult for them to come out and say, “Don’t worry, there isn’t a problem.” It’s sort of natural, since their whole life depends on it being a problem. I don’t say that they’re dishonest. But I think it’s just a normal human reaction. It’s true of the military also. They always magnify the threat. Not because they are dishonest; they really believe that there is a threat and it is their job to take care of it. I think it’s the same as the climate community, that they do in a way have a tremendous vested interest in the problem being taken more seriously than it is.
Well… I say they ARE being dishonest. So, there!
That might be the explanation, but there is also evidence they’re just being stupid. If you look at history there’s plenty of evidence even intelligent humans have near unlimited capacity for self deception.
“If you look at history there’s plenty of evidence even intelligent humans have near unlimited capacity for self deception.”
Yes, I think that is a lot of what is going on.
People believe what they want to believe, and if they are unfamiliar with the subject matter, they tend to go with the majority opinion, which is perfectly human, as humans look to their “tribal leaders” for the answers.
If the tribal leaders are wrong, well, that causes problems.
The fallacy of misplaced concreteness: the climate modelers begin to believe their models more so than observations.
IIRC Bjorn Lomborg talked about climate alarmism not being a conspiracy but more likely a “confluence of interests”. [But I might make an exception for the WEF – Lol ]
Enviros, politicians, anti-capitalists, NGOs, government bureaucracies, businesses & industry, academics and the MSM all have interests that can be furthered by keeping climate as a crisis. And make a lot of money in the process!
As some wag paraphrased Pres. Obama:
“The climate alarmists cling to their RCP8.5 and eco-religion”.
btw: When you get to the point of talking about criminalizing dissent (of anything!) you have nearly reached the bottom of the slippery slope predicted when the first “hate crime” bill was debated. You can’t even have that debate now. Awful!
Those are the people who should be in the dungeon
Taylor Swift apparently is an AGW/ climate change apostle…. likes to chirp on about “climate change ” etc..
Deep hypocrisy. !!
Taylor Swift Sends Private Jet To Pick Up Boyfriend | NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT (wordpress.com)
Much ado about nothing. People have the right to express their opinion, idiots included. By making it a talking point you add fuel to something better ignored. That is my opinion and im equally in my right to express it as Jim Dale. Free speech remember? But if the law gets behind people like him it is legit to resist and make as much fuss about it as possible..
Jail Dale
I actually like Jim Dale for the service he provides. What Jim Dale says should be publicised as much as possible. He makes all climate alarmists look like science denying idiots.
Lol.
He must be like Paul Ehrlich.
If so, just do the opposite of whatever he says.
Manichean, ‘the struggle between a good, spiritual world of light, and an evil, material world of darkness. feverish Jim Dale actually worked for the British Met Office, now a freelance. Jim casts his runes and then what? You see now how Newton investigated alchemy and Galileo was jailed for confounding a truth born of the sort of thinking that sparked Luther’s digression You can see how being a contravertionalist would help his venture to prosper. Such people were once far more direct with their message, ‘the end of the world is nigh’, no specifics. We are less likely to move to frenzy like that invoked by Orson Welles and his invasion from space because we have access to more information. But, alas, when you are invaded by your own country you have no recourse and education is of no help, enter Edvard Munch screaming.. It’s a grand no platforming binge, castigated in anything to do with academia but openly practised by the BBC and officialdom. If you own the truth opposition is obviously a form of mania and deserves censure, confining. It is said the Russia are running a fifth column exercise in Europe, it explains random fires and other acts of vandalism hitherto unexplained. What if they are also behind the weather stance?
Jim Dale looks like a brain addled drunk.
And behaves and talks like one, too. !
I wonder if any of those who have expressed support for this idea have ever expressed an opinion on the Inquisition?