Whakaari Volcano, White Island, New Zealand - December 12th, 2019 Contains modified Copernicus Sentinel data [2019], processed by Pierre Markuse https://www.flickr.com/photos/pierre_markuse/49213132273/

Climate Change and Volcanoes

Michael Kile

In an age of increasing hyperbole about natural phenomena it had to appear sooner or later: an alarmist claim that “climate change” (CC) was, could, can or is causing more intense volcanic activity on planet Earth.

So it was no surprise that a BBC WS CrowdScience team – presenter Caroline Steel, producer Emily Bird and editor Cathy Edwards – attempted last month to answer this question: “Could climate change lead to more volcanic eruptions? How will a heating planet affect volcanic activity?”

We spend a lot of our time thinking about climate change, but listener Paul [from near Blackpool, United Kingdom] has a question that isn’t usually part of the conversation. He wants to know whether a hotter atmosphere will affect how often volcanoes erupt, or make them more explosive when they do. (CrowdScience audio, 3 min.)

They were probably inspired by this article: Climate change could be triggering more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. Here’s how.  It was posted on the World Economic Forum website on 14 August last year, “in collaboration with The Conversation”. The author, Matthew Blackett, a Reader in Physical Geography and Natural Hazards at Coventry University, suggested that:

  • Climate change could cause more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions by increasing the weight of water on the Earth’s crust.
  • When glaciers melt, the water can seep into cracks in the Earth’s crust, causing them to widen and weaken.
  • This can lead to earthquakes, especially in areas that are already seismically active.
  • Climate change can also cause more volcanic eruptions by increasing the amount of magma in the Earth’s mantle.

Consider, for example, his fourth claim. The only evidence given for it is a GSA research article published on November 16, 2017. Yet the summary stresses the uncertainties:

Over glacial-interglacial time scales changes in surface loading exerted by large variations in glacier size affect the rates of volcanic activity. Numerical models suggest that smaller changes in ice volume over shorter time scales may also influence rates of mantle melt generation. However, this effect has not been verified in the geological record. Furthermore, the time lag between climatic forcing and a resultant change in the frequency of volcanic eruptions is unknown.

Its ten authors claim their modelling reveals “an apparent time lag of about 600 years” between a past climate event and a “change in eruption frequency” in Iceland. Hence any “increase in volcanic eruptions due to ongoing deglaciation since the end of the Little Ice Age may not become apparent for hundreds of years.

We shall have to wait a while, dear reader, before we know whether this hypothesis is more than model-driven academic speculation. How jolly convenient.

Whatever the case, CrowdScience went off to New Zealand to find an answer to listener Paul’s question, and to check out traditional Maori knowledge about volcanoes.

Presenter Caroline Steel had a chat with two volcanologists, Geoff Kilgour from Geological and Nuclear Sciences (GNS), Taupo, New Zealand; Heather Handley, Associate Professor of volcanic hazards and geoscience communication with the University of Twente, The Netherlands; and  Pouroto Ngaropo, historian and Matauranga Māori expert in Rotorua, New Zealand.  (A 27 minute podcast is available at CrowdScience.)

Once again there was more speculation than fact, more sizzle than sausage.

 Dr Kilgour speculated that CC could affect ash distribution after an eruption by causing a “slight change in wind patterns”. His conclusion: “We need to do a lot more work to understand the impacts of CC on volcanic behaviour.” (Audio: 11.0min.)

Dr Handley was more emphatic. She referred to the 2021 Mount Semeru eruption in East Java. She suggested it began after several days of heavy rain from December 4th caused the collapse of its lava dome. Yet major eruptions occur here so frequently it is hard to accept bad weather is a significant causal factor, at least for me.

Ms Steel: It’s kind of mind-blowing that heavy rain could cause a series of volcanic eruptions. In my head volcanoes are so strong and steady that the fact they can be affected by rain, or even CC, just feels really surprising.

Dr Handley: It’s definitely an area where we’re starting to think along these lines. What are the other externals – factors outside normal volcanic behaviour – that can influence volcanoes?

Ms Steel: What about the melting glaciers you mentioned earlier, whose effects we might only start seeing at some time in the future? What time scales are we talking about there?

Dr Handley: So far they think it’s about 1,000 years. But being prepared for events in the future that might happen on longer time scales are something we should still be understanding and preparing for. It’s not today, but future generations have to be prepared to deal with it. And so I think it’s very important as a scientist to have a more holistic view of a system to better understand what the impacts and implications might be of change. (Audio: 19.0min.)

Pouroto Ngaropo quoted a Maori prayer. It was, he said, all about connecting people to the land and to the “geothermal energy that bubbles beneath their feet.” This ancient energy enables me to connect to the beginning of time, and to the Creator.” From a Maori perspective, mountains are a living and breathing entities. “We have a saying: ‘I am the mountain and the mountain is me’. As for Maori knowledge, it is “similar to scientific knowledge.”

Ms Steel: Pouroto works closely with geologist Geoff and his colleagues at the GNS. They share their knowledge so they can better understand the changing landscape. Knowledge of the land has been passed down through generations, an aural record of how volcanoes have behaved in the past, how they have been affected by changing seasons and weather patterns, which is a key part of understanding how they might respond to a warming planet in the future. (Audio: 22min.)

Pouroto: Our ancestors were a lot more attune to the natural world around them. When you are living deep within the heart of your natural environment you can sense and feel things.

Ms Steel: This wisdom, passed down in song through the ages is culturally and scientifically invaluable; and by combining deep knowledge with cutting-edge scientific research, Pouroto and Geoff are learning even more about the land, with the aim of forecasting eruptions and saving lives. (Audio: 25min.)

Addressing listener Paul, however, Ms Steel admitted defeat. She ended the episode with this comment:

Ms Steel: When it comes to volcanic activity, it’s not so much the warming Earth we need to worry about, but the melting glaciers, changing winds and extreme weather events. This probably sounds all too familiar. Geoff, Heather and Pouroto are doing their best to build a clearer picture, but the impacts of man-made climate change on the planet – volcanoes included – are very unpredictable. (Audio: 27min.)

Just as well too. For some reason the CrowdScience episode did not mention the elephant, if not in the room, then in the Bay of Plenty. Neither Maori traditional knowledge – nor scientific knowledge from real-time monitoring by New Zealand’s GNS Science – predicted or prevented this tragedy: the explosive eruption of the active Whakaari / White Island volcano on December 9, 2019. Perhaps it did not fit the program’s CC narrative.

It is difficult today to comprehend how NZ agencies allowed its most active volcano to be promoted as a tourist destination, especially after a similar eruption there in 2016, fortunately at night.

There were 47 people on Whakaari at the time of the 2019 eruption: 42 paying tourists and five tour guides employed by commercial tour operators. They were all on the crater floor, at different locations along a circular route used by the operator. (Photo: webcam image below).

Anyone caught in a pyroclastic density current (fast-moving cloud of hot ash), is in deep trouble. Twenty-two people died, either in the explosion or from injuries. Twenty-five were injured, most needing intensive care for severe burns. Two bodies were never found. Recovery efforts were delayed due to seismic and volcanic activity, heavy rain and the presence of toxic gases.

A webcam image showing hikers walking inside the crater of the Whakaari/White Island volcano, a minute before the 9 December, 2019 Whakaari/White Island eruption. Source: GNS Science (formerly the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences)

A webcam image showing hikers walking inside the crater of the Whakaari/White Island volcano, a minute before the 9 December, 2019 Whakaari/White Island eruption. Source: GNS Science (formerly the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences)

WorkSafe NZ later investigated the tragedy. It charged 13 defendants under s 37 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015. Six pleaded guilty and six had their charges dismissed either prior to or during a criminal trial in the District  Court, Auckland. The remaining defendant Whakaari Management Limited (WML) was convicted on October 31, 2023.

One of the defendants was the NZ Crown Research Institute, GNS Science. It pleaded guilty to an amended charge in May 2023. GNS had been contracting Whakaari tour helicopter companies to fly its scientists to the island. GNS was sentenced by WorkSafe NZ for its failure to consult pilots about the risks of what they were doing between 2016 and 2019.

The most revealing expert witness was GNS Science principal scientist, Dr Gillian Jolly, also Chief Science Advisor for the NZ Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.

Dr Jolly told the courtroom on July 19 last year that Whakaari / White Island was showing signs of higher activity in the days before the disaster, but “volcanoes are inherently unpredictable”.

“We can never definitely say when an eruption might happen,” she said. “We never talk about volcanic activity being predictable. Prediction implies you know what is going to happen and when. We prefer to talk about forecasting and probability.” There was no mention of CC as a causal factor.

GNS Science had been monitoring Whakaari closely, Dr Jolly told prosecutor Kristy McDonald KC. GNS experts had visited the island five days before the eruption.

Whakaari, being a frequently active volcano, we used the full suite of monitoring [equipment]. On the island, we had two seismometers permanently providing real-time data, we had two global position system instruments, we had two differential optical absorption spectrometers looking at the gas coming out [of the volcano], and we had three cameras pointing at the active vent. (Dr Gillian Jolly, principal scientist, GNS.)

Whakaari was showing “heightened activity” just before the eruption. “For the period towards the end of 2019, we saw a number of parameters that were showing elevated signs. The more unrest indicators, the more likely an eruption.”

However, GNS could not use that data to determine when, or if, an eruption would occur: “Monitoring and forecasting volcanoes is like forecasting weather [or climate change], except you’ve got your eyes closed.”

It would have been impossible for GNS Science to provide an accurate warning with its current technology and understanding of volcanic activity. Even if it could, GNS had “no power” to stop tours from going ahead: “We’re not a regulator.”

A week before the tragedy, the GNS volcanic alert bulletin reported that volcanic unrest continued with “substantial gas, steam and mud bursts” at the vent at the back of the crater. The bulletin stated there was no direct hazard to visitors, but warned that eruptions could occur without warning.

GNS staff were advised to stay further than 520 metres from the vent. Dr Jolly said its experts considered the island “may be entering a period when eruptive activity is more likely than normal”.

According to Amy Williams, a RNZ reporter, the court was shown a draft volcanic alert bulletin, prepared on the day of the eruption, but not sent to tour operators.

GNS had kept the alert level at two – meaning there was moderate to heightened volcanic unrest. The bulletin described how Whakaari was “throwing mud and debris 20 to 30 metres into the air above the vent”.

“Overall this level of activity remains within the range of expected from moderate to heightened volcanic unrest,” the draft alert stated. “The current level of activity does not pose a clear hazard to island visitors.”

GNS estimated the chance of an eruption outside of the Whakaari crater rim in the next 28 days was one in seven.

A year later, Pouroto Ngaropo was interviewed by SBS Dateline. ’I still ask myself’, he said, ‘why did Whakaari take life? It was like the heart was ripped out of us all.”

I was on Whakaari the week before it exploded. I felt like something was not normal and I could already feel her crying with pain.

There was going to be a risk taking people to the island. As humans we always think we have control but we don’t: we are subservient to Whakaari because she can blow at any time.

Was it a message to us, to address our continual abuse of the Earth? I believe it was a reminder of how we need to look after the environment and look after one another.

Michael Kile

This essay was posted in Australia at Quadrant Online on April 13, 2024, with the title: “Volcanoes – The Climateers’ Latest Silly Scare Story.”

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Ron Long
April 16, 2024 6:24 pm

The vast majority of volcanoes erupt in two stages. First there is a melting event, at depths of 30 to 100 km, produced by subduction, mantle plumes, or deep rifting events (rocks melt at lower temperatures when you decrease the load/pressure). Then the melt (magma) rises due to density differences, the hot rock is less dense than the surrounding rock. The melt rises to a level less than the density differential due to resistance of overlying rock and the strength of the wall rocks. The melt then begins to crystallize, and the higher temperature crystals do not tolerate gases and other volatiles in their structure, so the volatiles accumulate, and cause gas pressure. This zone of initial crystallization is a magma chamber. The pressure of volatiles sometimes exceeds the confining pressure and an eruption occurs. When you see Iceland or Hawaii basaltic eruptions with the lava fountaining, the driving force is gas pressure, not density differential. Ice? Water, like oceans? Hot atmosphere? Lack of virgins? Not going to stop an eruption. Political Science is easier than actual Science.

ntesdorf
Reply to  Ron Long
April 16, 2024 6:36 pm

The lack of Virgins could be the cause of serious volcanic eruption problems caused by too many Jihadists arriving in Paradise and using up 72 of the virgins on each occasion. Alternatively, it could be just business as usual.

Bryan A
Reply to  ntesdorf
April 16, 2024 9:41 pm

I don’t think Virgin Wool would appease the Volcano Deity so Jihadists are still safe…
EWE

Premium Cracker
Reply to  ntesdorf
April 17, 2024 4:57 am

They can have the virgins. I will take the sluts.

LT3
Reply to  Ron Long
April 17, 2024 10:50 am

So with all that said, can crustal deformation from glacial accumulation perturb mantle convention eddies and modulate volcanic activity?

antigtiff
April 16, 2024 6:48 pm

“We need more study…..”. I will conduct a study…..for one million dollars. No, wait….make it 10 mi;l;lion due to Biodeninflation.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  antigtiff
April 17, 2024 8:50 am

We need more virgins…. I will conduct a study…. for one million dollars. No, wait…. make it 10 million due to the need to have an appropriate sample size.

Walter Sobchak
April 16, 2024 7:23 pm

Climate change could cause more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions by increasing the weight of water on the Earth’s crust.”

Let’s see. Ice is lighter than water, that is why it floats. So when it melts it gets heavier. Right?

/sarc

Duane
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 17, 2024 4:57 am

Of course ice can accumulate to great depths regionally or locally due to glaciation, concentrating a higher mass over a limited area. But the statement in the post was very sloppy, because it talks about “increasing the weight of water on the Earth’s crust”. The total mass of all water on and within the Earth’s crust is a fixed number. Some of it moves around from land to oceans, but the number never changes.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Duane
April 17, 2024 8:53 am

Ice can accumulate to great depths? Please define great depths.

Duane
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
April 17, 2024 9:53 am

The Greenland ice cap is approx. 5,000 feet thick while the Antarctic ice cap is approx. 7,200 ft thick. Most people would consider those to be “great depths”.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 17, 2024 8:51 am

Technically ice is less dense that water, but when it floats it displaces a mass equal to its melt mass.
Floating ice does not increase or decrease water pressure.

BILLYT
April 16, 2024 7:27 pm

NZ’s woke science is being exposed here.

The good news is that by law it the voodoo “science” needs to be incorporated into the classroom with equal weight to you know “real” science.

The end is near.

Martin Brumby
Reply to  BILLYT
April 16, 2024 8:29 pm

I wonder if any Maoris got charged for failing to mention their “invaluable” science understanding before the disaster?

John Hultquist
April 16, 2024 7:38 pm

 An explosion such as the Bruneau-Jarbidge Event (Miocene) changed weather for a few days.
Plate movements, Orogenesis, or isthmus formation (Panama) can change climate.
A slight warming or cooling, say 1 or 2 Celsius degrees, is not “climate change” and will not start or stop a volcanic explosion.  

Reply to  John Hultquist
April 17, 2024 12:36 pm

The long-term climate of the Earth is still a 2.56 million-year ice until all of the natural ice melts, and that isn’t happening any time soon.

I guess now one has to specify “long-term climate, since “climate” has been redefined to be only 30 years by the WMO. I guess that is all the “climate” models could hope to forecast, and they’re not even good at that.

April 16, 2024 8:47 pm

‘As for Maori knowledge, it is “similar to scientific knowledge.”’
Here in NZ, it’s apparently very controversial to point out that, actually, it _isn’t_ just like actual science…
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/447898/university-academics-claim-matauranga-maori-not-science-sparks-controversy

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
April 17, 2024 8:25 am

While I fully agree with your point, I see value in studying the indigenous science and math. Both from a purely academic curiosity point of view and for the potential discovery of something not previously known or understood.

That said, modern science and math need to be studied. Education is too valuable an asset to compromise.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
April 17, 2024 6:20 pm

What do you suppose they understood better than the scientific method can uncover?

The linked article goes on and on about “colonialism” nonsense. Well, the Maori are free to go back to their stone age life, just like American Indians. But I notice that none of them do.

April 16, 2024 8:50 pm

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW the warmist/alarmist ignorance of volcanoes and their composition makes clear they are grasping for pixies that floats on invisible gas.

Do they really think a rainstorm can cause lava 5 miles below the surface to react or that a series of hot days (100F) can convince Lava which is often at least 1,300 going up to around 2,200 F to react by going up to generate earthquakes and more.

What koolaid do they drink these days…….

Bryan A
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 16, 2024 9:45 pm

Un-Kool Aid

Simon
Reply to  Sunsettommy
April 17, 2024 12:24 am

Actually ignorance re volcanos goes both ways. I seem to recall climate science denier Ian Plimer announcing that volcanos spew more CO2 than humans burning fossil fuels. That proved to be seriously wrong.

sherro01
Reply to  Simon
April 17, 2024 4:34 am

Simon,
A link to support your belief would help. Geoff S

Simon
Reply to  sherro01
April 17, 2024 11:53 am

A link to support your belief would help. Geoff S”
No problem.
This explains in great depth how and who started the myth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1c3IKqQ2Sc
And if you don’t want to watch the movie here is a direct link debunking this from the USGS
https://www.usgs.gov/programs/VHP/volcanoes-can-affect-climate#:~:text=Injected%20ash%20falls%20rapidly%20from,potential%20to%20promote%20global%20warming.

The point here is Plimer was at best wrong and at worst lying. And the lie wasn’t even close. Humans emit 32 billion tons and volcanoes .26 billion. And yet skeptics ran with this for years providing all sorts of excuses for the man… and I dare say some still do.

Reply to  Simon
April 17, 2024 12:31 pm

To be fair, I think that I should point out that when Plimer made the statement, human CO2 emissions were lower than 32 Gt, and the estimate for volcanoes are from a sample of terrestrial (only) volcanoes, and I don’t think that the CO2 estimates include extinct or dormant volcanoes like Long Valley Caldera.

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
April 17, 2024 4:37 pm

To be fair, I think that I should point out that when Plimer made the statement, human CO2 emissions were lower than 32 Gt,”
Maybe but when we are talking human emissions are over 120 times higher it is not even close.

“and the estimate for volcanoes are from a sample of terrestrial (only) volcanoes”
Not true… From the USGS site “All studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. “

And Plimer knew this because he had been told… but he chose to still peddle his nonsense, which in my book makes him a dishonest man.

“and I don’t think that the CO2 estimates include extinct or dormant volcanoes like Long Valley Caldera.”
That will be because they are not contributing at this point.

Roger Symons
Reply to  Simon
April 17, 2024 4:51 am

Not sure what label you are giving to Ian Plimer, but he (correctly) describes modern climate “science” as quackery. I also agree with Sunsettommy, but I’m not clear in my own mind about the CO2 production by volcanos versus humans

Simon
Reply to  Roger Symons
April 17, 2024 12:23 pm

“…. but I’m not clear in my own mind about the CO2 production by volcanos versus humans”
See links above to help you.

Duane
Reply to  Simon
April 17, 2024 5:59 am

Are you referring to only volcanic natural sources or all natural sources of atmospheric CO2? Vulcanism accounts for much less CO2 emissions than those resulting from human impacts, true (according to EPA data), but total anthropormorphic emissions are dwarfed by the total of all natural emitters combined … something like 5% vs 95%.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Duane
April 17, 2024 8:47 am

“the total of all natural emitters combined … something like 5% vs 95%.”

If you are going to spread climate BS, at least match the popular narrative mth of 97%

Of the 420 ppm of CO2, about 67% had natural origins (280 ppm )

Only stupid conservatives say 3%, 4% or 5% manmade, rather han 33%.

It is long past time to stop that myth. The best I can do is to tell the 97% cult how stupid they are, and I don’t care if that gets me 100 downvotes.

This is climate propaganda war and we are losing

The 97% myth is like shooting ourselves in the foot.

Fran
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 17, 2024 9:20 am

I rather thought that all CO2 is natural. Using fossil fuels is just recycling CO2 that was around a long time ago.

Duane
Reply to  Fran
April 17, 2024 10:05 am

“Natural emitters” in the context of my comment above means all emissions not sourced from the burning of fossil fuels.

Duane
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 17, 2024 10:03 am

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. Natural emitters include out gassing of oceans, which accounts for about 2/3 of all natural emissions. Other large sources include weathering of exposed carbonate rocks, volcanos, animal emissions from breathing or farts, rotting vegetation and rotting animal tissue, etc etc. Altogether vastly more atmospheric CO2 is sourced from natural emitters than from burning of fossil fuels.

Educate yourself.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 17, 2024 12:36 pm

I thought that the 97% number was the percentage of peer-reviewed publications supporting AGW, as claimed by Cook(?). Do you have a citation to support your claim?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Simon
April 17, 2024 8:37 am

In recent years I have seen Plimer quoted as claiming atmospheric CO2 is 97% natural. I do not listen to CO2 is 97% Natural Nutters so i don’t listening to him
.
Video of Ian Plimer incorrectly states that human CO2 emissions are not responsible for increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations and global warming

Video of Ian Plimer incorrectly states that human CO2 emissions are not responsible for increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations and global warming – Climate Feedback

CO2 is 97% Natural Nutters are climate crackpots

Ian Plimer is a CO2 is 97% Natural Nutter

Therefore, Ian Plimer is a climate crackpot

Duane
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 17, 2024 10:05 am

You are very very ignorant.

Rod Evans
April 17, 2024 1:01 am

When I read articles that mention Maori knowledge about natural events and the spirits contained within nature, places such as mountains, rivers, volcanoes, the sea etc. I am tempted to claim my superior ancestral spiritual science awareness as my ancestors date back to the Druids. Many believe Druids built the ancient monuments like Stonehenge, many thousands of years ago. Now as a modern day Druid, (run with this for the moment) I think I/we can claim superior understanding of all things natural, over some Maori as we pre-date (no pun intended) the Maori that have been around for barely 1000 years.
My belief is, as a Druid, the earth is in harmony and regards everything on its surface and within its structure as part of life. That everything includes all humans and their habits. Those who believe in fairy tales or ‘computer models’ to use the modern vernacular, or spirits from the earth gods if you happen to be from some remote Pacific Island band of thinkers, is insignificant, the end game is always the same.
The Earth always wins in the end…
I am off to my oak tree thinking ground now to seek clarification about these Johnny come lately south seas charlatans, claiming they have ancient understanding of nature.
NB I wear a Koru because it reminds me of NZ a place I love and respect. I wish my Maori cousins had done the same when they were solely in charge, rather than destroying the indigenous wildlife there, simply because they could…and did.

BCBill
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 17, 2024 1:47 am

I guess the Maori considered the Moriori to be indigenous wildlife.

Simon
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 17, 2024 11:58 pm

So let me get this right… you think you’re somehow clever because you bring from your ancestral country knowledge… but you think the Maori, who will also have bought their ancestral knowledge when they arrived in Aotearoa are somehow “south sea charlatans.”
And … because ancient Maori killed some of the wildlife when they arrived (and they did), they are somehow different from other groups around the planet?

Coeur de Lion
April 17, 2024 1:52 am

Look, chaps, humankind only arrived in New Zealand yesterday.

BILLYT
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
April 17, 2024 12:16 pm

The wisdom is that Maori arrived around 1250 but the “native rat” the Kiore are understood to be here for a further 2000 years. An example of traditional math I suppose.

There have been other people here before is the take away and the may know more than Druids.

Richard Greene
April 17, 2024 3:41 am

I check the Quadrant website about twice a week. They don’t have many climate and energy articles, but the ones they do have, like this one, are very good. Quadrant is the best free Australian conservative website, IMHO.

Home – Quadrant Online

Tony Thomas is a great writer there on environmental issues. His article on Naomi Oreskes from two days ago is highly recommended:

The Queen of Climate Crackpottery
The Queen of Climate Crackpottery – Quadrant Online

Duane
April 17, 2024 3:46 am

It’s silly to even address these rubbish claims, which deserve no serious response.

Volcanism is the result of plate tectonics, and the fact that the planet has a molten mantle, as well as the geomechanics of a planet that spins on its own access, and is affected by gravitational forces exerted by the sun, the moon, and other celestial bodies, period. Plate tectonics cause the numerous plates that make up the Earth’s crust to move about and collide or spread apart, resulting in creating both mountain chains and rift valleys in the crust, which themselves release molten mantle material … i.e., vulcanism.

Glaciers of the humongous area and thickness characteristic of geohistorical glaciation periods certainly do affect the surface pressure of the earth’s crust which can cause it to fall regionally when accumulating, and rise when the ice melts. But we’re talking millions of square miles at ice thicknesses of up to half a mile. The mass of such features completely dwarfs the miniscule mass of the remaining glaciers, which have of course been melting for the last 13 thousand years, most of it already having been converted to liquid water either in the oceans or within the crust itself.

In any case, regional surface pressures of ice are also literally nothing compared to the mass of mountain ranges that are, as said above, created by plate tectonics.

For example, the area of the USA which is dominated by high terrain including the Rocky Mountains, Sierra Mountains, and other coastal ranges is approx. 1 million square miles, with an average elevation of roughly 8,000 feet … compared to the Greenland ice cap – 660,000 square miles at an average thickness of 5 thousand feet, but a density of only 62.4 pcf vs. granite of 167 pcf (only 37% of density of rock), then the mass of the total Greenland ice cap is only about one quarter to one fifth of the mass of the Rocky Mountains. So even the most extreme accumulation of ice in the northern hemisphere exerts nowhere near the pressure exerted by the accumulation of rock caused by plate tectonics.

So let’s take this a step further – where are nearly all of the known active volcanoes located today? The answer is simple: most active or recently dormant volcanos exist along points of the crust most impacted by plate techtonics – i.e., parallel to and some distance removed from either subduction zones or rift valleys. See “ring of fire”.

Editor
April 17, 2024 5:06 am

If the Antarctic ice sheet completely melted away… Would it make Antarctic volcanic eruptions more frequent? Maybe, maybe not. There’s no observational basis to say one way or the other. The notion that it would make global eruptions more frequent is just bat schist crazy.

Do retreating ice sheets induce seismicity? Yes they do. Post glacial crustal rebound causes lots of mostly nonpalpable earthquakes. However, this is the result of this sort of glacial retreat:

comment image

Not this sort of glacial retreat:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/22/a-geological-perspective-of-the-greenland-ice-sheet/

Reply to  David Middleton
April 17, 2024 12:44 pm

Any idea what causes those localized hot spots with greater melting in Greenland?

rbabcock
April 17, 2024 6:17 am

I think it’s the other way around. Increased undersea heating is warming the oceans which warms the atmosphere. I think they have the cart before the horse.

Jeff Krob
April 17, 2024 7:29 am

The difficulty in predicting a volcanic eruption reminded me of the NOVA series of the Mt. Pinatubo eruption in the Philippines back in 1991. Clark AFB was in the area and the geologists & volcanologists were being pressed by the base command for guidance concerning evacuations or not. There was intense pressure for a correct prediction and Pinatubo didn’t always give an obvious ‘sign’ of it’s intent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bax9vIX-gIw

Sparta Nova 4
April 17, 2024 8:45 am

There are some interesting studies ongoing relating grand solar minima, solar magnetic field shifts and flips, and volcanism. The coincidences of global cooling plus solar magnetics variations and volcanism is not to the level of correlation, but it is suggestive there could be a relationship.

We currently are near to a grand solar minima and the solar magnetic field has shifted. It could be interesting times ahead.

My personal assessment comes from electro magnetism. The earth’s core is massive and primarily iron and nickel. It is spinning as is the earth. Given the solar magnetic field does envelop the earth and the core is spinning, spinning iron in a magnetic field creates electric current. Think generator. Once there is a current, it is moving within the external magnetic field creating a local field. Think motor.

Electricity conducted through resistive matter produces heat. Heat causes expansion. Heat causes increase in molten magma.

Is this speculation the answer? How can we test the hypothesis?

That the surface compresses and rebounds based on the extent of glaciation is simple mechanics.

What is curious about the speculation is how deep can atmospheric energy penetrate the land and the water. Based on permafrost data, it seems about 20 feet, which is hardly sufficient to warm anything a mile or 2 deep.

An obvious error in the WEF study is that water is already in those cracks.

When glaciers melt, the water can seep into cracks in the Earth’s crust, causing them to widen and weaken.Water, like land compresses with pressure. Adding surface water really has no effect in the depths.

So, what cause the Tonga eruption?

Let’s add one more speculation. Warming the earth’s surface causes it to expand. Would this reduce the internal pressures given the increase in volume. It seems that cooling the surface, causing contraction, would increase internal pressures resulting in, if not more frequent eruptions, then potentially more powerful.

The models I describe are just too simple to reflect reality although the speculations presented may turn out to be pieces of the puzzle.

JC
April 17, 2024 8:48 am

Water and magma together make many of the big boom booms. Tonga is case in point. Melted glacier ice causes big booms al la Eyjafjallajökull . Water is only the contributory cause, the magma is the conditional cause and the absolute cause is the earth’s core is really hot. Beyond this is the realm of Philosophy and Theology..

Discovering true indicators of the relationship between climate and volcanism is a useless endeavor. The relationship between the Climate variables and the dynamic variables of magma, Teutonic movement, subcrustal and mantle dynamics is a point of vast speculation and endlessly unmeasurable.

JC
Reply to  JC
April 17, 2024 8:56 am

What isn’t a useless endeavor is seeking to discover the relationship between magmatic heat or earth core heat and stuff like regional ocean acidification and regional negative sea ice anomalies, regional sea surface heat anomalies, maybe even greater understand of Teutonic dynamism and earth quakes… but the measurement tools are very limited since GRACE and GOCE programs ended. As far as I am aware, there is no current orbital gravitational variance monitoring.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  JC
April 17, 2024 11:40 am

acidification actually is the wrong term, although it is commonly used.
Acidic is a ph below 7.0.
The ocean is alkaline at 8.4-8.1 depending on reports.
We are a long way from having an acidic ocean.

JC
April 17, 2024 9:06 am

The 23rd SC minimum 2007-2009 generated much interest in considering the relationship of volcanism an the Solar cycle. Here a couple of articles for fun but maybe not edifying retrospective of that era.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1342937X10001966
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.5728.pdf
https://archive.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/tssts-2-4.html

WUWT should have a large archive of discussions on this.