Essay by Eric Worrall
Imagine someone so left wing they think Joe Biden is a jingoistic capitalist.
‘Quite radical’: the feeling of exhaustion is key to tackling climate change, says author
Exhausted of the Earth author Ajay Singh Chaudhary says how we feel and the state of the earth are connected
Wed 28 Feb 2024 16.00 AEDTLast modified on Wed 28 Feb 2024 21.28 AEDT
Are you exhausted today?” political theorist Ajay Singh Chaudhary asks over video chat on a dark Friday afternoon. This is a question he is posing not just to me, but to you, too – and it’s one he already knows the answer to. Most of us, the indicators suggest, would suggest we are. But Chaudhary argues this isn’t just an individual problem: “Our ecological life is exhausting, our social and economic lives are exhausting, even our individual lives are exhausting.”
This is one of the central arguments of his first book The Exhausted of the Earth: how you feel and the state of the world are connected. And, he argues, it doesn’t have to be this way. “Your exhaustion is not some random byproduct […] There is a class of people out there who cause your exhaustion, [and] it’s not just Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk.” Under capitalism, we are not all in it together.
Executive director of the Brooklyn Institute for Social Research, an educational organisation for adult learners, Chaudhary’s book is an accessible analysis of how climate and politics interact. Writing it was “like a return to home”, he says; his parents are natural scientists and it was drilled into him from a young age that the climate crisis was not being approached politically.
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He considers Joe Biden a type of rightwing climate realist. Among the US president’s most important climate policies is not just the Inflation Reduction Act but the US National Security Strategy, Chaudhary argues. “It is insanely jingoistic,” he says. It describes, for instance, out-competing China. If that’s the framework, he argues, we’re doomed, “because US-China cooperation is vital”. Ultimately, rightwing climate realists know there will be “instability” and “they are preparing for it”. That they will be successful is not only “plausible and possible, but probable,” he says.
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/28/quite-radical-the-feeling-of-exhaustion-is-key-to-tackling-climate-change-says-author-ajay-singh-chaudhary
Do you feel exhausted? I certainly don’t. I enjoy life, family, and the wonderful place I live, where I can make money doing something which doesn’t involve heavy lifting, thanks to the joys of our modern information age.
Why do some green left wing radicals feel so exhausted and fed up? Aside from the fact lots of people think they are nut jobs and ignore them, I personally believe what they are feeling is the mental stress of maintaining belief in a set of absurd fictions.
Imagine the effort of continuously forcing yourself to believe how doomed we all are during your every waking hour, reminding yourself every time you make a coffee or eat pre-packaged food, of how all the modern conveniences of life are accelerating us towards the imminent extinction of Mankind, and how if you catch a glimpse of children playing in the sunshine, that sunshine and warmth is a harbinger of the end times.
Maybe I’m wrong. I would be happy to read and review Ajay Singh Chaudhary’s book The Exhausted of Earth. But I’m not going to pay £14.99 for what essentially seems to be a political tract.
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“Why do some green left wing radicals feel so exhausted and fed up?”
If so, then it’s better for the rest of us. It’s about time!
“Why do some green left wing radicals feel so exhausted and fed up?”
Because many of us don’t and it hurts. Remember, they are a doomsday cult. This is how they’re meant to feel. The rest of us laughing at them really does inflict psychological damage upon them.
Each year children leave a school and students leave a university and the indoctrination only gets harder – mirroring the propaganda in the media.
It may well be that “”some green left wing radicals feel so exhausted and fed up””, but there are always fresh recruits to the cause every year. Year after year.
Doomsday cults do not rest on their current membership.
Because the public don’t appreciate the wisdom enacted in their laws and rules. We have to change the public! So far, a modest progress in the form of about 10 million newcomers, all very diverse, and in the need of equity, whatever that is.
“Imagine someone so left wing…”
Not a problem, that’s easily done; and the British left eagerly takes its lead from woke central…..
The question is when will woke central be sorted out? The answer is it will not be. Feel free to prove me wrong on that. I’d like to be.
Someone is getting round to it.
I had hoped they might have someone at home…..
Yeah, we all did. How effed up must we be that a Russian autocrat fighting a war against his neighbour still sounds saner than our politicians? It’s a mad world we live in!
It’s a mad, mad, mad, mad world
Look, russian propaganda. How cute.
Shh, don’t draw attention to yourself, comrade.
Since Putin is the leader of the new Russian Empire, wouldn’t that be Poppaganda?
It’s fake, designed to drive dummies like you wild.
Russia kicking NATO’s ass though.
Sure, and their economy is doing *fabulous*
Yep. Around 3% growth at the moment.
Russia’s economy is now completely driven by the war in Ukraine – it cannot afford to lose, but nor can it afford to win
https://theconversation.com/russias-economy-is-now-completely-driven-by-the-war-in-ukraine-it-cannot-afford-to-lose-but-nor-can-it-afford-to-win-221333
When even ‘the conversation’ has to admit that the sanctions are having little effect as Russian businesses have learned how to circumvent them and Russia is expected to have over 2.6% growth you know that there’s a big problem. And, just as the expected Russian collapse failed to materialise with ‘crippling sanctions’, one can’t help thinking that this article may be similarly flawed.
German industrial growth rate MINUS 1.6%..
Green Energies Shattering German Economy…Industrial Production Falls 7th Consecutive Month (notrickszone.com)
Hint, Luser.. the first 3 letters are CON..
One day you may find enough workable brain cells to figure that out !!
It’s fake, designed to drive dummies like you wild.
Russia kicking NATO’s ass though.
Tucker Carlson Is Only One Part of Putin’s Disinformation War in the Western Media
https://time.com/6276130/putins-disinfomation-war-western-media/
Lusername gets even lamer. Never thought this was possible.
Don’t encourage the guy. Next thing he’ll say is the reason why the current 32 “ExxonKnew” lawsuits are doomed to fail from being devoid of evidence to prove industry-led дезинформация campaigns exist is because of RussianMeddling™. Then he’ll lump me, you, and Tulsi Gabbard together as Russian agents.
Along with Mitt Romney.
Which is the bigger propaganda organ, Time or Guardian?
Guardian thinks they are!
Oreskes proves it’s the Grauniad.
Time? That still exists?
Grauniad by a mile.
When I was really young, I attended a school that required us to read The New Republic and Time (“The Weekly News Magazine”) every week and pass tests on current affairs. In those days, The New Republic was “left” and Time was “right”, so we had balance.
Sometime during the Johnson administration, Time changed its color, and became “left” also. So, Time’s exposition on Putin’s disinformation war needs to be understood in that light.
Years ago The History Channel had a documentary on spies, which they only showed once, unlike most of their shows which were repeated multiple times.
One segment of the show was on Chinese spies after WW2. They sent many young men to all the other Asian countries, trained to work their way into positions of influence in business, government, and military. Two of them the show named got into influential positions in Vietnam. One was the Vietnam Bureau Chief for TIME Magazine. The other reached a high position in South Vietnam’s Special Forces. He was so good a dodging cameras there are no known photographs of him.
So we had a Chinese spy in their military sending information to the NVA and VC, and another Chinese spy crafting propaganda for all the people reading TIME, and any other news media reprinting information from TIME. That would certainly make fighting the war more difficult. Korea and Vietnam were both wars VS China, where China supplied weapons and a lot of personnel, on the ground and in the air.
Any wonder why History Channel never replayed that documentary? Too much of the light of truth shone on the leftist news media.
I wouldn’t be surprised that what the news media said about the Tet Offensive originated with that Chinese spy. It got the public to demand an end, when the truth was the Tet Offensive was a complete tactical failure, North Vietnam’s last gasp – unless China would have been willing to make a move which nobody could have ignored even with the most desperate of cover from the ‘western’ news media.
You mean you haven’t figured out yet that western governments and the MSM are working hand in glove to lie to us about everything? Going back to before WW2 when American and British industrialists funded Hitler.
Oh dear. I feel sorry for you.
Or during ww2 – Ford thought about suing the US government after they bombed his truck factory outside Berlin in 44 or 45!
Or now, when some sorry excuses for “Republicans” are against sending $ and aid to Ukraine. I think *some* of them are only in opposition because Biden is for it, and some Democrats are only for helping Ukraine because some Republicans are against it.
The right thing to do is send $, weapons, and supplies to Ukraine, but not people. The world cannot have Putin rebuild the USSR.
Unfortunately Putin picked his moment. The push for green energy and net zero initiatives are bleeding Western countries dry – there’s very little more to send without bankrupting western economies. Ultimately we may have no choice with Putin.
Luser thinks facts are disinformation. !
You went off the rails with your first two words.
Thanks, Eric, for the alarming news on “Climate Exhaustion”, coming soon to a bookstore near you (or not). I see there is about to be some real Climate Exhaustion in Kalifornia, as the fierce winter storm, starting today and lasting until mid-Sunday, is expected to dump record snowfall on the central and north Sierra Nevada Mountains. Think Donner Party. The Exhaustion part is from shoveling all of that snow. Good timing on your report, Eric.
Hey, the South Sierra is going to get some too!
Coming to the remainder bin in a bookstore near you.
Biden is center-right, though – but I guess when the other party is flirting with fascism, Biden must look like a radical lefty.
Biden is hard left.
Biden is a chameleon, whatever color gets him the most ice cream wins.
At the moment he is just a place-holder for the old Obama apparatchiks who run the show. They never make the news cycle but they are still around.
I don’t think Obama is really in charge any more than he was in his “presidency”, the Susan Rice/Valerie Jarret crowd runs the show. Some of these act like true environmentalist whack jobs, but only because it sells to the blue-hair base.
Environmental panic is just as effective as race panic and the old Marxist economic panic that is really behind it all. A constant state of panic is exhausting to anyone, especially when there is no obvious end in sight. Billy Carter’s malaise that brought Reagan into office.
What a surprise it will be to the true believer environmentalists when the Marxists get true power and start acting like the Stalinists they are! No more windmills in that brave new world, only the boot to the face. Like poor Trotsky and his Bolsheviks, kicked to the curb when their usefulness ends.
I believe that you meant Jimmy Carter?
The only exhaustion these old bones feel is after seeing all th GW / AGW / CAGW / CC / CCC / Global Boiling “news” everyday, and hearing the politicians and the WEF crowd spewing it.
And apparently not fascist enough for User
Biden is a vegetable, doing what he’s told by DOCTOR Jill and his hard Left handlers.
Don’t think the poor old sod knows his left from right
& he needs a label saying ‘this way up’
But his doctor says he is just fine.
Reminds me of Reagan’s quip to the doctors when he was brought in after the assassination attempt.
“I hope you’re all Republicans.”
He does have to appear jingoistic to be elected, and he’s definitely a corrupitalist. Considering his policies puts the lie to the jingoistic part, and to see how much his family has earned from his connections puts the lie to the capitalist part.
Fascism IS LEFT, moron, and Biden IS the Fascist.
It’s NOT the “other party” attempting to dictate every aspect of people’s lives, from how they heat their home to what kind of lawn tools they can use to what kind of stove they can cook on to how “efficient” (read: to the point where it no longer performs its function) every appliance must be to what kind of vehicle they can drive to what kind of food they can eat.
The idea of commie nazies will never stop to amuse me.
And stop being scared.
“. . . commie nazies will never stop to amuse me.”
Only to a leftist.
Or a person who doesn’t understand the concept of a continuum forming a closed loop.
Both Hitler and Mussolini started their political careers in Socialist parties, as you well know.
World War 2 was just one long gag reel to you, was it?
That’s like saying two left wing politicians wouldn’t fight like trapped rats to gain power within a political party.
The true political spectrum of middle earth? 😀
The true political spectrum of anyone who doesn’t seek to silence the opposing viewpoint in order to gain and maintain power
Even though you have nothing intelligent to say, you can’t refrain from letting the rest of us know that.
Find something to refute it.
Poor Luser.. still off in its own little La-La-Land.
Hey, my wife and I just spent 3 weeks in New Zealand, including a few delightful days in Middle Earth. Basically, no one was talking politics, but I’d guess that NZ would have to be considered leftist.
A very astute graphic, with much to recommend it. The true differentiation is between those who feel people are best left to find out how to live their lives, and people who feel that the least competent people to run their own lives are the owners of those lives. I.e.te spectrum runs from libertarianism towards autocracy.
Sadly those in power all over the world are tending towards autocracy – the US liberal, the EU social ‘democrat’ Putin, Xi Ping , The Ayatollahs…. the list goes on.
I agree with much of your post, just a couple of fly’s in the ointment.
The USSR abandoned communism when it realised it wasn’t working and turned to democracy. We might not like their democracy, but it is their’s and 140 million Russians, who are entirely free to leave the country, rather like it. In fact, they are fighting to defend it right now.
China also recognised the mistakes it made under Mao and reformed into a largely Capitalist society. Still state run, but it has dragged 900 million people out of extreme poverty in 30 years.
We in the west have done nothing to reform what is clearly now, a very shonky, democratic, capitalist society where people are being driven into extreme poverty every day.
Neither Russia nor China endures the cultural Marxism we accuse them of, by inviting BLM, LGBTQ+, DEI, religious ‘tolerance’, educational decline and unrestricted immigration etc. into their nations. Nor does either nation have much time for Islam.
They are both far from perfect but both are experimenting with improving their 30 or 40 year old political and social revolutions, whilst the west has spent the last few hundred years screwing up a perfectly good political and social structure.
Putin’s “democracy” is a lot like what Biden and the Democrats want for the US. Sure, you are allowed to vote, however the vote counting is completely rigged. That and Putin’s habit of having anyone who challenges him killed.
China did move towards capitalism after Mao, however under Xi they are quite quickly backtracking.
It’s the lack of capitalism in the west that is driving people into poverty. It’s hard to say which country has less capitalism, EU or China. Both are moving away from capitalism rapidly.
“Putin’s “democracy” is a lot like what Biden and the Democrats want for the US.”
I’ll change jut one name and then it will be more correct.
“Putin’s “democracy” is a lot like what Trump and the Maga’s want for the US.
Wrong again Simon. Confusing Your left hand and right hand again. It’s the Leftist Ideology that more closely ties to the type of Fascism you blame Trump for.. Trump wants small government, Biden wants total government control. Stick with your right hand, you feel better in about 20 minutes or so
Trump says he will be a dictator on day one if he is elected.
I guess we can say goodbye to the Supreme Court, Congress, and the Constitution on day one if he is elected.
If you really believe that then you don’t have a clue.
Trump sometimes says stupid stuff that he should know is going to be used against him, alphabet. But if you honestly believe he meant that he wants to be Hitler for a day, then your mind is too far gone.
How many absurd and incomprehensible things has your favorite traitor said lately?
I hear we’re calling the invasion force ‘new arrivals’ now. More like undocumented Democrats.
Biden is now calling illegal aliens “newcomers”.
Who killed that girl? Newcomers. Who raped that child? Newcomers.
Joe, American citizens are very unhappy with you allowing newcomers to cross into our nation illegally.
That’s why you are down at the Texas border now, isn’t it, trying to repair some of the political damage. Too late, Joe. Nobody believes your excuses. It’s not Trump’s fault that you are a fool.
For once, read the whole quote, and not just the tiny portion of it that confirms what you want to believe.
He’s referring to the Executive Order process and undoing the damage Biden has achieved through the same means
According to the left, when they use EOs to run government, it’s just democracy in action.
On the other hand, when Republicans use EOs to cancel their EOs, its proof that Republicans are dictatorial.
You apparently turned off right then, and didn’t listen to the rest of what Trump said. It was nothing like a dictatorship.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Trump wants to be a dictator… a Hitler… A Mussolini. Remind me what tag they got…. oh that’s right Fascist dictators. Trump is far closer to being a fascist leader than Biden, who is about as middle of the road as you can be.
Another blithering barking mad imbecile of the hard left enters the fray.
g’day simple simon.
About as middle of the road as you can be—midway between Stalin and Trotsky.
Silly comment. Biden is regarded widely as a moderate. You on the other hand would not know what a moderate was.
“Silly comment. Biden is regarded widely as a moderate.”
By who? Answer: Other radical leftists.
Name a moderate position that Biden holds.
Let me tink now. Give me a moment!
I’ve got it! He … um … 🦗🦗🦗
well anyway…
He thought he was the Moderator at the last debate…does that count?
Oh, I don’t know about that, simple simon, I think Genghis Khan and Atilla the Hun were pretty moderate. Compared to a Neanderthal like me.
When you are so far out in left field that you have to dodge cars, Biden does look moderate.
Just because everyone you are willing to associate with (or is that, are willing to associate with you), believe something, doesn’t mean that everybody does.
The (Liberal Media) press reports Trump wants to be a dictator. Never herd it out of Trumps mouth though. Don’t forget, AI generated videos can make anyone appear to say anything.
Just look at all those scam Facebook ads with noted personalities pushing KETO Gummies
Oprah Keto Gummies
Shark tank Keto Gummies
Tim McGraw Keto Gummies
AI can make Anyone say Anything even if they didn’t
Notice how they always leave out context? It was an obvious sarcastic joke response. They leave out the “for a day” and the rest of what he said afterward outlining exactly what he would do as “dictator”
It’s just as ridiculous as “he called nazis fine people” or “he told people to to inject bleach”, but they need it to feed their TDS
Leftists have a desperate need to believe the worst about everyone who disagrees with them.
It helps them justify the death camps.
Yes, the Left distorts everything Trump says, in order to portray Trump in the worst possible light.
Character assasination is standard operating procedure for the radical Left. Without character assasination, the radical Left would have nothing to talk about. So they lie and lie and lie about Trump.
It happens right here in the WUWT comments.
Trump did not weaponize government to go after his political opponents. Biden did do so and is doing so today. That’s what you call “middle of the road”?
Biden is the closest thing to an American dictator we have ever had, and if he wins reelection, then even you will see what I mean.
You are living in a false reality. You and a lot of other leftists.
Biden “middle of the road”! That’s funny! You have no clue, just like that other fella above.
Leftists are SO delusional. One has to be delusional to be a leftist today.
Doubtful—he believes what the Fake News wants him to believe.
You really do believe that everyone who disagrees with you must be evil.
That and your complete inability to understand even simple sentences.
Biden couldn’t lead a girl scout troop down a grocery store aisle if he had a map. He’d be too busy sniffing their hair to realize he hadn’t taken the first stumbling step
Risible.
What you believe and what is true, have never managed to coincide.
Sorry, are you talking Russia here? LOL.
Which of his opposition has Putin had killed? Navalny? He polled around 2% in the last election and his chief of staff was clandestinely filmed talking to MI6.
Just hours after his death was announced in the west we were told Putin used Novichok to poison him, then we were told it was by a death punch to the heart uniquely used by the KGB. Finally Ukraine’s head of intelligence told us it was a blood clot that killed him. How anyone could know any of this beats me.
Personally, if I were a murderous head of state I would have used a pillow, or paid off another prisoner to stab him and a couple of guards to turn a blind eye.
Usual utter bollox about Putin killing people, about as believable as the Skripal poisoning in Salisbury, using Novichok, a chemical agent unique to Russia apparently. A bit of an obvious clue there when, again, he could have paid a local drug addict to stab the guy. Coincidence that Salisbury, a sleepy little English town, also happens to be the home of Porton Down, the centre for the UK’s chemical warfare research facility.
Xi isn’t backtracking on Chinese capitalism, he’s backing away from the creeping liberalisation of the Chinese state. If there’s one thing all Chinese have in common, it’s the love of money, particularly western money. Without it China starves.
The EU has plenty of capitalism, Germany is the economic powerhouse with Mercedes, BMW and VW as monsters of the global car industry. France has Renault, Citroen, Peugeot. Italy has Fiat, Ferrari, Maserati. And whilst we were in the EU the UK had the second most wealthy financial centre in the world behind New York, and still is.
The problem is, the EU is being deindustrialised by the greens. Energy prices are three times what they are, at least, in the US and businesses are fleeing to China.
Dictatorships and Dictators are so misunderstood.
“Neither Russia nor China endures the cultural Marxism we accuse them of, by inviting BLM, LGBTQ+, DEI, religious ‘tolerance’, educational decline and unrestricted immigration etc. into their nations. Nor does either nation have much time for Islam”
So you don’t support religious freedom? Would you mandate that everyone has to be Christian? If so, I say that is heading down a fascist road.
Where did I suggest I don’t support religious freedom? Don’t bother trying to put words in my mouth, you are as clumsy at that as you are everything else. Islamists are universally accepted as the violent extremists of the Muslim religion. Had i meant Muslim, I would have said it.
And where in fascist doctrine does it suggest religious freedom isn’t allowed? Pope Pius XI referred to Mussolini as the “man whom providence has sent us.”
And what makes you think I’m Christian?
Predictable that you would leap to conclusions, as you usually do.
His TDS infection is terminal.
Perfect
I prefer a two axis chart, something along the lines of the Nolan chart.
Personal freedom on one axis, economic freedom on the other.
Liberals used to like personal liberty but had no use for economic freedom. (Modern liberals have no use for personal liberty anymore.)
Conservatives like economic liberty, but are willing to compromise on personal freedoms.
Libertarians like both personal and economic freedom, and you are correct that extreme libertarians are indistinguishable from anarchists.
Authoritarians have no use for either personal or economic freedom, they just want everyone to do what they are told.
In recent years, libertarians have been drifting into anarchism and liberals have been racing to embrace authoritarianism.
I like the Nolan chart as well. This is just a bit more straightforward.
I’m not sure where there is evidence of Libertarians drifting into anarchism. I don’t see Libertarians protesting in our streets, smashing and burning things up. Nor do I see any evidence of them successfully restricting ever expanding western governments.
I do, however, see people like Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano objecting to the expansion of the military and pharmaceutical industrial complexes, the incursion of government sponsored Critical Race Theory, BLM, LGBTQ+, DEI, religious ‘tolerance’, educational decline, unrestricted immigration, and donor class politics.
Whilst we expect those policies from the far left, I don’t hear much objection from centre ground conservative politicians.
Not even close. Every political party suppresses or controls its members for the greater good of the party. This is how the left works. Every political party, even those of the so called right, are in fact, leftist entities. I think the right trying to express itself through a party is an ugly look and that parties weaken and debase democracy.
Please explain how democracy works without a central entity, like a parliament.
The moment you have more than two people voting on a single subject between them, you have a democracy and, in effect, representative democracy if the outcome is adopted by others. Expressed in the crudest terms obviously.
A central entity like a parliament does not require political parties. Democracy works simply by decisions being carried by the majority. Of course the minority must accept the majority decision. That is the essence of democracy. No parties needed.
So. No parties. Then who? Independents a.k.a. individuals. The antithesis of parties a.k a. the collective. If the voter chooses independents the criteria for their choice becomes broader and much more likely to yield better people and way less likely to yield dangerous or harmful people who would in any event be greatly disempowered without a party.
National Socialist German Workers Party – the clue is in the name
So North Korea is really a Democratic Republic?
They do have elections. The current Kim got all the votes.
Slight addition:
‘Everyone voted, automatically, the current Kim got all the votes, enforced by the military.’
I thought Kim cast the only vote counted though
Anybody who cast an opposing vote has been removed.
Oh you’re right, Lusername. Now I get you. Socialism has never been tried. The national socialists were actually extreme libertarians trying to steal the popularity and the esteemed good name of socialism. Every bad thing in history that ever happened under a government that called itself socialist was really an example of them not truly being socialist!
BUT you assure us, “This time we’ll get it right”.
There’s nothing inherently in conflict between democracy and communism once you throw all the non-communists in labor camps. Nor with a republic.
This time we’ll get it right
The unofficial socialist motto.
Venezuela under Marudo is Socialist and in bad shape
Proof positive to Lusername that they are not actually socialist!
Most Communistic Dictatorships (fascist in nature) refer to themselves as either the “Peoples Republic” or “Democratic Peoples Republic”
Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
Democratic Peoples Republic of the Congo
Peoples Republic of China
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Amazing he didn’t know that as this has been obvious for decades now, he might another 12-year-old leftist trainee.
I think the bot’s trying to be cute. If the DPRK isn’t really democratic or a republic, but is just pretending then it wants us to conclude that the National Socialist German Workers Party wasn’t really socialist or for workers and so totally totally not socialism. This has been the party line since around 1941 when old Dolfi double-crossed Uncle Joe. (No not THAT demented uncle Joe, the one who ran the Soviet Union).
Read it and learn:
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
The Nazis were European socialist populists just like the communists. They fought each other for the same ground using the same weapons
Both far leftists calling each other extreme right wing.
Do you have any idea what the N*A*Z*I acronym stands for, Lusername?>
Er, karlo, it doesn’t – it was a contraction of national socialism. You mean what does the acronym NSDAP stand for.
How do you explain all the former communists who switched over to the Nazi party? Learn the history of Germany. Read the Road to Serfdom.
A good socialist/communist believes what the party tells them to believe.
There is no difference between them. Both operate an entitled, wealthy political class, and the poor as a dormouse class.
Which is why I use socialist/communist, rather using one or the other separately,
Fair point.
Reality never was your strong suit.
You are a good party member.
Don’t be stupid
be a smarty
Come and join
the Nazi Party
No, the “other party” has it’s own, independent, agenda, and it isn’t very nice.
Fascism IS LEFT,. Wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Scholars%20place%20fascism%20on%20the,authoritarian%20means%20of%20opposing%20egalitarianism.
Wikipedia…LOL, seriously…
Fascists are strongly anti-capitalist, they strongly control their markets and offer extensive socialist programs. They also employ strong police powers and use propaganda to achieve totalitarianism…. sounds awfully left wing to me…
Sounds a lot like the current Democrat Policies
Sounds exactly like current Democrat Policies.
oh Wikipedia says so? I retract everything. Thanks for the correction Simples.
Do you know the difference between communism and fascism – the authoritarian ideologies of the left?
Have you read your Marx?
It’s ownership of the means of production.
So what is a far right ideology?
Limited government, individual freedom, free markets, etc.
You should find a name for it.
?
Liberty
It used to be called ‘Liberalism’. As you are aware, the Left successfully co-opted that term, resulting in the Right adopting the term ‘Conservatism’, which was the term formerly applied to absolute European monarchies. Unfortunately, the Right has conserved nothing.
There is a name, and political parties, Libertarianism.
Libertarianism is the ultimate form however, it brings anarchy.
No, it doesn’t.
The choice is between a big state Left that wants ts state as big as possible, in cahoots with big business, and the Right who want the state as small as practicable concomitant with maintenance of a broad consensus of law order and defence of the realm.
Liberty brings anarchy, so we can’t let the people have too much freedom.
Said every authoritarian everywhere,
America was once a Libertarian nation, by accident more than design.
Then the left discovered it.
Then the Left attacked it. And are still attacking it.
But, people are starting to wake up to this danger to their personal freedoms.
Wake up People! The radical Left wants to control your life. Every aspect of it. Don’t be their slave. Run away from them as fast as you can.
Look at the destruction radical Left government has brought to the United States in just three years! We won’t have a country if we have radical leftist Democrat government for another four-year term.
In that case, we will have to start thinking about States going their separate ways. Conservative States are not going to voluntarily live under a Washington DC federal Democrat dictatorship.
Libertarianism
A Constitutional Republic with a freedom guaranteeing Bill of Rights.
A government of the people, for the people, by the people.
Self appointed entitled narcissist elitists are not for anybody but their own selfish selves.
It’s called MAGA right now. That’s: Make America Great Again. Trump’s slogan.
Nothing “far right” about it. It’s all just common sense, as Trump says. Close the borders; Drill Baby, Drill; Cut Taxes and Regulations; and reform the bureaucracies of the Executive Branch.
Trump says he does not seek revenge against political opponents. His success at being elected and at Making America Great Again will be his “revenge”.
That’s not to say that a Republican Congress won’t be examining the criminal activities that have occurred in Washington DC in the past. But then, that is the job of Congress, to root out corruption and crime, and oversee the Executive Branch.
No, that’s not far right. Emphasis on far.
You couldn’t fill a football stadium with the number of “Far Right” extremists that exist in the United States.
Far Right extremism is much ado about nothing.
The only people who talk about far right extremists are far left extremists, of which there are many in the United States. Enough to fill all the football stadiums in the country, and then some.
That’s classic liberalism.
So, that was news to you? Why would that be?
PS
“”So what is a far right ideology?””
islam is.
I disagree.
And?
“And?”
And what?
You disagree because……
No, islam is just another collectivist worldview with different taboos.
if you want to acknowledge the idea that you can go too far with liberty, I suppose you could put anarchy at the far right.
I really hoped someone would write this nonsense. Thanks for the laugh!
In reality, Lusername, a linear left-right model of political science is simple-mindedness worthy of your level of ‘thought’. I’m not at all convinced that you are not an AU bot. But if there is only one dimension, I think in terms of collectivist left and individualist right. Patriotic (losers would say jingoistic) ordered liberty is the sweet spot.
When you live in a small echo chamber, I suppose everything outside in the real world is either a source of amusement or fear to you. Trouble is when you laugh at the wrong things.
So, there was me thinking it was an ideology spread at the point of a sword, when in reality it’s just another worldview.
How many other worldviews keep blowing us up or stabbing us etc? They’ve bagged a couple of MPs too.
Yes, it’s a totalitarian authoritarian intolerant worldview with ideology spread at the point of a sword, inimical to individual rights.
It’s not liberty gone too far.
It does demonstrate the inadequacy of the right-left model. There are other dimensions to be considered.
“”other dimensions to be considered.”” Should include this fact.
Since the 1st of January 2024 there have been 279 attacks in 25 countries, in which 1,263 people were killed and 933 injured.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2024
Last year it was 1,777 attacks in 54 countries, in which 11,414 people were killed and 12,989 injured.
Such a peaceful worldview….
Strat old chap, I’m in violent agreement with you!
Except that we don’t seem to agree on which variable the left-right continuum measures. I said collectivism-individualism and that therefore islam doesn’t fall to the far right meaning extreme excessive individualism.
It may well be that islam falls on an extreme end of some other variable—tolerance-intolerance? What is your conception of the variable on the left-right continuum?
If you are looking at it from a different perspective we can both be right within our frame of reference. The sun is a massive searing inferno from a Mercurian perspective but also a tiny yellow dot from a Plutonian point of view.
I’m still not sure you can compare a religious ideology to a political ideology. In what world would you put a religion on a political spectrum?
That’s my point. There are more dimensions. Mark W gave an example. There’s probably a dimension from atheist to theocratic.
Islam is both a religious and political ideology.
I’m still not sure I’d agree with that but we’re probably just splitting hairs. I think their political and religious ideologies are separate, you think they are one and the same – in effect it makes no real difference, the end result is practically the same.
Left/ right are the same place in the circle of politics
Yes, in the constraints of party politics. Party politics impose an artificial boundary. Move beyond them and everything changes.
I think there is a tendency to conflate Islam with the Muslim Brotherhood, the base party for Al Quada and Hamas. That is based on the Turkish CUP, the “Young Turks”, a socialist and militant party that anticipated both the Italians and Germans in genocidal authoritarianism.
Acknowledging that we shouldn’t dehumanize all muslim people because of the crimes of some, I am afraid that it’s a mistake to imagine that Hamas, al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, or Hezbollah are divergent exceptions outside the mainstream of Islamic thought. The Sunnis and the Shiites are not fighting over gay rights or religious tolerance.
Arabs and Turks never went through anything like the Thirty Years War, which killed off perhaps half the population of Germany.
Yes, they did. They converted half of the population in the middle east, north Africa and south Asia to Islam at the point of a sword. Those in their path who did not convert were killed.
With the conquest, the Arabs wanted loot and taxpayers. Being a dhimmi was degrading enough most converted in later generations.
Please see above.
Defined in the Cambridge dictionary as “a situation in which there is no organization and control, especially in society, because there is no effective government:”
That’s religious ideology.
And it’s here
You’ll get no disagreement from me on that. But Islam is apolitical. It doesn’t care which side of the political divide it infects.
It is collectivist though. As a religion more than an organizational model. Everything from Emirates/Monarchies to socialist (Baath party, the old line Soviet friendly UAR wet dreams of Nasser in Egypt. Throw in Erdogan’s caliphate fantasies. Through it all the Islamists still believe the Kaffir must be subjugated or killed. And they absolutely use the power of the state to further their goals so I wouldn’t say it’s apolitical by any stretch.
Islam is faith based total control with zero tolerance for all others. Were it not so, the word J!had wouldn’t exist in their vocabulary
“faith based total control with zero tolerance for all others.”
See also Torah & Bible.
I see that you haven’t read either the Torah or the Bible.
Apparently only the Quran
Not even remotely the same.
The Torah has explicit instructions regarding the treatment of foreigners as well their rights.
The Christian Bible has “love your neighbor as yourself”, “turn the other cheek”, etc.
Islam…
Intolerant
Authoritarian
Hateful
Fearful
… is so far left that you have to look right to see it
European rightists were Royalists, a group that moved to Canada regarding US politics. The far right in the US are those pushing Democratic Party policies from sixty or more years ago.
Yes, more reasons to note that left-right is a crappy simplistic model.
The total absence of political parties. All independents from top to bottom.
Ownership by whom?
It doesn’t matter who owns it, its who runs it.
In the case of communism…. The state
“Ownership” in this context includes control of the means of production without necessarily having the State listed on the title/stock documents.
Once again Lusername shows ‘their’ thumbless grasp of politics. Fascism is a left-wing collectivist ideology born of socialism. To a communist, it is ‘right-wing’. To everyone else, it’s far left, just not all the way to pure communism. Mussolini was a socialist, Hitler led the National Socialist German Workers Party. And like all, ALL socialist regimes in all of history, they were brutal authoritarians who deny individual rights.
Are Republicans flirting with nationalistic socialism? No! What Lusername means is that Republicans are threatening to live up to their principles of ordered liberty and want to break away from the fascist Uniparty farce.
But in any case, Dementia Joe Biden, Resident Brandon, is a corrupt gormless tool, a puppet on strings pulled by radical socialist enemies of democracy. He has sold out the country for millions of dollars in bribe money. If he is even fully aware of what his paymasters want to do to the country, he simply doesn’t care.
Let’s Go Brandon
F J B
Now we know, MyUsername, since no one is stupid enough to describe Biden as “center-right, we now know you are dishonest.
The names i longer apply: Big state socialism was bought up twenty years ago by big capitalism in order to create planned obsolescence and mandate new technology to keep the wheels of industry turning.Whether you call it fascism or socialism its the same beast. More state control, more taxes funnelled to crony capitalists, more people employed in makework quangoes and committees all tasked with your moral health.
Putin is merely an extreme example.
Planned obsolescence is nothing more than coming out with new models of your product on a regular basis. There is nothing evil about it. You have fallen for another left wing myth.
Big business can’t hurt you. It’s only when it merges with big government that problems occur. Absent big government businesses will grow to their most efficient size, and stay there.
As long as government is kept under control, there are no problems.
BTW, big government without big business is still a problem.
I disagree with your definition of planned obsolescence. It is having your high dollar product break down and be unrepairable (or so expensive to repair it is not worth it), so you will have to go out and buy a new one. No reason home appliances should break down in 5-10 years, and not be repairable.
I disagree with your disagreement.
All items are repairable. The problem is that labor costs are so high that it is usually cheaper to replace rather than repair. You can’t blame manufacturers of products for labor rates.
Quality costs money, companies could design their stuff to last for generations, but the cost of such products would be huge.
I’ve never had home appliances break down in 5-10 years. In my life, I’ve only had two home appliances break down. A garbage disposal, which had to be replaced and a washing machine, which was fixed by replacing the motor condenser. Both the disposal and the washing machine were about 30 years old when they had their problems.
Russia doesn’t even operate a land planning organisation. If you want to build a house, you build it. The only restriction is that it must have services, which the state provides. Income tax is 13% flat rate which comes with basic free healthcare. I know someone who broke an ankle when he was in Russia. It would have been fixed by the state but he went private. Total treatment from beginning to end was $120.
Food is largely locally produced and a fraction of what we pay in the west. Russia has supermarkets and shopping malls though, and subways free from graffiti. It’s roads are well maintained and, of course, energy is cheap and plentiful.
You have the typical Cold War mentality of the USSR run under communism. Like it or not, Russia is a democratic country. It’s citizens are free to come and go as they like, but most choose to stay.
The only problem is, much of it is real cold for 6 months of the year, which deters tent cities springing up, like those along the US west coast.
I haven’t been there, but my friend spent quite some time there and liked it a lot. The people are decent and proud of their nation, but initially suspicious of westerners, not that I can blame them.
Statism is more accurate. No matter what you name it it ends up in the same place. I call it organized crime.
Biden is whatever his handlers tell him to be. In the 80’s and 90’s he was center right. Now it’s hard left because if he weren’t hard left, then he would not have any power. His entire purpose in life is to have power. And with power comes money. Ask any millionaire or billionaire Socialist.
Biden was never center right. The best that could be said of him back in the 80’s was that he was not as far left as most Democrats.
Biden is a radical leftwing appeaser. He voted to abandon South Vietnam.
Biden and his radical leftwing appeaser buddies in Congress managed to throw South Vietnam to the wolves, getting millions of innocent South Vietnamese killed or displaced.
Just the way Biden threw the innocent people of Afghanistan to the wolves.
Biden is a dispicable human being. There is no empathy in the man. He can cause the death and destruction of millions of innocent people and not bat an eye.
His current project is to completely destroy the United States.
As compared to what? Where is the center?
And yup, you don’t know what Fascism is, either. And it’s no surprise. Fascism was the darling of the left for about 2 decades. Progressives loved how Hitler and Mussolini made the trains run on time and how they created a bureaucracy of experts to tell everyone how to run their lives.
Only when the depravities of Hitler’s Nazism became apparent did the progressives rewrite history to fool the public into believing Fascism was always a right-wing ideology.
100%! 👍
The left defines everything they don’t like as right wing.
They don’t like Nazis (anymore) so Nazis are right wing.
They don’t like racism (unless they are benefiting from it), so that’s right wing.
They don’t like sexism (unless they are the ones doing it), so that’s right wing.
etc.
100% 👍
As usual, the communists call everyone else right wing.
Fascism is a form of socialism. Everyone knows that, socialist/communists refuse to acknowledge it.
Then again, socialists/communists have lots of experience at ignoring reality.
“Biden is center-right”
This might qualify as the most ignorant statement I’ve read on a discussion board. I assume you’re just kidding, unless you enjoy humiliating yourself. If you are serious, and not simply trolling for attention, no surprise then, as ignorance and self-humiliation are understandable accoutrements of the associated leftist mindset. Are you a pedophile also? Perhaps a transvestite too? These are among the current craze on the left.
As for Biden, he would first have made Stalin proud (open boarders, fascist executive orders, etc), then he would have been executed for stupidity.
“Biden is center-right,“
ROFLMAO …. Now we know you are totally delusional or so ultra-far-leftist so that even Che or Mao would be centre-right to you.
Probably one of the dumbest things you have ever said… and there is a huge number to choose from.
Before anyone can claim someone Right or Left or the various increments used as adjectives, they should be able to DEFINE just what is “Center”.
Please define just what you, MyUsername, consider to be “Center”?
Ajay Singh Chaudhary didn’t bother.
(I wonder if there’s any record of him dividing his paycheck up between all those who live in his area?)
“…I personally believe what they are feeling is the mental stress of maintaining belief in a set of absurd fictions.”
Well said, Eric!
The real issue is that the fictional Green terrorists in Tom Clancy’s “Rainbow Six” were plausible. Nihilism is a common theme on the green left.
I think you’re right; they are exhausted because they waste so much brain power defying reality. It’s one thing to think the planet needs saving by puny humans; it’s another thing entirely to think about forcing everybody else to comply every waking moment.
I can relate, in a way. I am close to an anarchist, believing government is incompetent by definition of having a monopoly over violence within its territory; the lack of competition means it can only expand, never shrink, has no meaningful feedback mechanism, and attracts control freaks whose only interest is exercising control. I believe I would be much happier in an ancap society, and had some fun devising a better Constitution. But I don’t obsess about dictating a new world order to anybody else. I laugh at government foibles at the same time as I believe my ideal society would not have those problems.
The politically correct woke greenies are the most humorless people I have met, worse than the door-to-door bible thumpers and vegans who think they can train their cats to be vegetarians. I had never thought about how much energy that fanatical obsession must take when reality fights back against their attempts to single-handedly save the world. Bible thumpers and cat vegetarians don’t have that same problem; they just get doors slammed in their faces and dead cats.
As a college student, I to toyed with anarcho-capitalism.
Over time I came to realize that no form of government is stable, even no government.
So I decided that the best use of my time was to try and make our current government better.
After a few more decades I decided that the best I could do was to try and slow the slide into authoritarianism.
These days I’m spending my time trying to figure out how to help my children and grandchildren survive the bad times that are coming.
As a college student, I to toyed with anarcho-capitalism.
Over time I came to realize that no form of government is stable, even no government.
So I decided that the best use of my time was to try and make our current government better.
After a few more decades I decided that the best I could do was to try and slow the slide into authoritarianism.
These days I’m spending my time trying to figure out how to help my children and grandchildren survive the bad times that are coming.
Another duplicate? Sheesh, I swear I don’t know how this happens.
Moderators, some help here please?
Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Same thing we always do, Pinky!
If he thinks life today is “exhausting”, my grandparents life would have killed him.
He might be happier. Human beings are programmed to look for danger and the lack of real danger causes some people to create imaginary things to be scared of.
These people are absolutely filled with hate that beauty, liberty, and truth exist. Their foremost concern is that other people might be having fun and enjoying life.
For years, I’ve been hearing politicians in the EU refer to socialists as being right wing.
They never refer to left wing anything. They political position that escapes their lips is ‘right wing’ more lately referred to as ‘the far right’ no matter how conservative the position is.
All street protest’s are referred to as far-right no matter what organisation is running them, usually the left.
Hitler is referred to as far-right. The concept has even entered the common lexicon and even people on the right casually refer to anything negative at all as far-right.
America needs to look to Europe and learn a lesson as you guys will be where we are in a few years if it’s not stopped.
As Dr. Sowell pointed out, it is capitalism that requires people to cooperate.
Under capitalism, you can’t force people to do what you want, you have to work with them.
Socialism on the other hand is all about force. The government passes a law and punishes anyone who gets out of line.
As in the Canadian online harms bill: you can report a person who you think is going to harm you.
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/online-harms.html
The proposed Online Harms Act would specifically target seven types of harmful content:
Which one of these do you find ok? Are you fine with doing these things outside of the internet too without being held accountable?
Who determines what that content actually does or does not do? I could report you for content you’ve posted that makes me feel victimised and abused by you and how could you possibly defend yourself against the accusation that your content made me feel that way? With no objective yardstick, somebodies feelings can convict people of criminal behaviour.
Especially “Content that foments hatred”
Whatever TPTB determine to be Hate Speech
Although … Whatever Foments Hatred…would put the kibosh on Palestine Protests
The last three even you must realize are vague and utterly subjective, Lusername.
A priest’s homily that references a biblical passage that calls sodomy gravely sinful or calls abortion the sin of murder would fall afoul of that standard. Satire calling Richard “Rachael” Levine Man of the Year, certainly beyond the pale, no? Saying mean things about the blackface prime minstrel of Canada must be incitement to violence isn’t it?
And I’m sure that you think that is as it should be.
Oh dear…. every one of those is what the left are currently pushing into schools. !
The left defines any words or behaviors that they disagree with as hate.
If you try to talk a child out of mutilating themselves, the left would define that as causing harm to the child.
Leftists get violent whenever anyone opposes them.
Ditto extremism.
Are you really that comfortable with outlawing political disagreement?
Lying and covering your lie are exhausting. Everyone knows that.
What a strange worldview: The world is about my personal feelings and my personal feelings are someone else’s fault?
“Writing it was “like a return to home”, he says; his parents are natural scientists and it was drilled into him from a young age that the climate crisis was not being approached politically.”
This is all you have to understand about this CAGW crackpot. It is all politics to these people, whether the science supports them or not is of no concern to them.
I let morons be exhausted on my behalf.
What is exhausting is the waste of time, resources and natural environment being dedicated to a mythical climate crisis which doesn’t exist, and to the solutions which are destructive to both the natural environment and the welfare of human society. In short stupidity and corruption are trying to erode modern society with no consideration to the harm it will cause in the natural world along the way.
Spot on and the humour is actually funny-
Americans on both the left and right ‘don’t understand’ how journalism works (msn.com)
PS: I see the Italians are catching on to the Aussie trait of taking the piss out of tall poppies-
Sky News host applauds Italian comedy sketch for ‘poking fun’ at Joe Biden (msn.com)
although the current US President is easy pickings.
When comedians start to poke fun at the left you know that the tide has turned against leftism – normally comics will do almost anything to avoid making fun of other lefties. It marks a sea change, at least in Europe, that’s good to see.
Colbert recently told a “joke” that concluded with reminding the Supreme Court that Biden controls Seal Team 6.
I remember when late-night TV was actually funny.
Ah,yes. The squirrels and birds around my house always look refreshed and just out for a stroll. They never seem to be seeking food to avoid starvation or constantly looking around to avoid predators. It’s all Capitalism that makes the world difficult.