Your articles just use faulty statistics in an attempt to manipulate reader opinions. A more complete analysis would deal with both relative and absolute figures.
The cost is closer to 50 c/kWh, delivered to user, because:
1) You have to STORE it, which is technically hard to do. Google
2) You cannot pipe it (too dangerous). Users of hydrogen need their own production and storage.
That is why Germany is using gas-fired CCGT plants combined with hydrogen plants, for DEMONSTRATION purposes
3) And you have to use large-scale battery systems, or other storage systems, if wind and solar are the electricity sources
This brings us to the cost/kWh of the electricity to be used for producing hydrogen
OFFSHORE WIND
In New York State, off-shore wind developers, who had bid in 2023 for contracts at about $90-100/MWh (i.e., 9 – 10 cents per kWh), a few months later, reneged on signed contracts and demanded prices in the range of $150-160/MWh, or 15-16 cents per kWh.
What is almost always not mentioned, at higher wind penetration, say 30%, as in Germany, the UK, etc.,, regarding offshore wind,
1) Add 2 c/kWh for grid buildout, and
2) Add 2 c/kWh for curtailments, and
3) Add 2 c/kWh for counteracting the ups and downs of wind.
These numbers are based on UK experience.
Why do you think German, UK, etc., electric rates have gone through the roof?
Regarding battery storage, at 40% throughput, cost of electricity from battery and fed to HV grid is at least 23 c/kWh, much higher at lesser throughputs
Example of Turnkey Cost of Large-Scale, Megapack Battery System, 2023 pricing
The system consists of 50 Megapack 2, rated 45.3 MW/181.9 MWh, 4-h energy delivery
Power = 50 Megapacks x 0.979 MW x 0.926, Tesla design factor = 45.3 MW
Energy = 50 Megapacks x 3.916 MWh x 0.929, Tesla design factor = 181.9 MWh
Estimate of supply by Tesla, $90 million, or $495/kWh. See URL
Estimate of supply by Others, $14.5 million, or $80/kWh All-in, turnkey cost about $575/kWh; 2023 pricing
Assume a system rated 45.3 MW/181.9 MWh, and an all-in turnkey cost of $104.5 million, per Example 2
Amortize bank loan for 50% of $104.5 million at 6.5%/y for 15 years, $5.484 million/y
Pay Owner return of 50% of $104.5 million at 10%/y for 15 years, $6.765 million/y (10% due to high inflation)
Lifetime (Bank + Owner) payments 15 x (5.484 + 6.765) = $183.7 million
Assume battery daily usage for 15 years at 10%, and loss factor = 1/(0.9 *0.9)
Battery lifetime output = 15 y x 365 d/y x 181.9 MWh x 0.1, usage x 1000 kWh/MWh = 99,590,250 kWh to HV grid; 122,950,926 kWh from HV grid; 233,606,676 kWh loss
(Bank + Owner) payments, $183.7 million / 99,590,250 kWh = 184.5 c/kWh
Less 50% subsidies (ITC, depreciation in 5 years, deduction of interest on borrowed funds) is 92.3c/kWh . At 10% usage, (Bank + Owner) cost, 92.3 c/kWh At 40% usage, (Bank + Owner) cost, 23.1 c/kWh . Excluded costs/kWh: 1) O&M; 2) system aging, 1.5%/y, 3) 19% HV grid-to-HV grid loss, 3) grid extension/reinforcement to connect battery systems, 5) downtime of parts of the system, 6) decommissioning in year 15, i.e., disassembly, reprocessing and storing at hazardous waste sites.
NOTE: These excluded costs would add at least 10 c/kWh
NOTE: The 40% throughput is close to Tesla’s recommendation of 60% maximum throughput, i.e., not charging above 80% full and not discharging below 20% full, to achieve a 15-y life, with normal aging
COMMENT ON CALCULATION
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Regarding any project, the bank and the owner have to be paid, no matter what.
Therefore, I amortized the bank loan and the owner’s investment
If you divide the total of the payments over 15 years by the throughput during 15 years, you get the cost per kWh, as shown.
According to EIA annual reports, almost all battery systems have throughputs less than 10%. I chose 10% for calculations.
A few battery systems have higher throughputs, if they are used to absorb midday solar and discharge it during peak hour periods of late-afternoon/early-evening.
They may reach up to 40% throughput. I chose 40% for calculations
Remember, you have to draw about 50 units from the HV grid to deliver about 40 units to the HV grid, because of a-to-z system losses. That gets worse with aging.
A lot of people do not like these c/kWh numbers, because they have been repeatedly told by self-serving folks, battery Nirvana is just around the corner, which is a load of crap. . NOTE 1: Aerial photos of large-scale battery systems with many Megapacks, show many items of equipment, other than the Tesla supply, such as step-down/step-up transformers, switchgear, connections to the grid, land, access roads, fencing, security, site lighting, i.e., the cost of the Tesla supply is only one part of the battery system cost at a site. NOTE 2: Battery system turnkey capital costs and electricity storage costs likely will be much higher in 2023 and future years, than in 2021 and earlier years, due to: 1) increased inflation rates, 2) increased interest rates, 3) supply chain disruptions, which delay projects and increase costs, 4) increased energy prices, such as of oil, gas, coal, electricity, etc., 5) increased materials prices, such as of tungsten, cobalt, lithium, copper, manganese, etc., 6) increased labor rates. NOTE 3: If a 24-h battery system is desired, each parallel train would have 10 units x 4 h/unit x 0.6, Tesla limit = 24 hours Ten, 4-h Megapacks, in series, would be required!! Above example would have 50 x 6 = 300 Megapacks. Tesla design factors would apply. See article NOTE 4: World cobalt production was 142,000 and 170,000 metric ton, in 2020 and 2021, respectively, of which the Democratic Republic of the Congo was 120,000 metric ton in 2021 https://www.kitco.com/news/2022-02-02/Global-cobalt-production-hits-record-in-2021-as-mined-cobalt-output-in-DR-Congo-jumps-22-4.html
It is now almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota hydrogen car in California than a comparable Tesla EVThe state’s largest H2 fuel supplier has hiked its pump price to $36 per kg across all 37 of its filling stations
By Leigh Collins
It is currently almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota Mirai in California than a comparable Tesla battery-electric car after a massive hydrogen fuel price hike, according to calculations by Hydrogen Insight.
At the new price, filling a Toyota Mirai’s 5.6 kg tank would cost $201.60 — around $0.50 per mile, according to the Japanese auto maker’s claimed driving range of 400 miles (647km).
By way of comparison, fully charging a 60 kWh Tesla Model 3 in California would cost $11.94, based on the latest average electricity prices.
With an official range of 333 miles on a full battery, it therefore costs $0.036 per mile — almost 14 times cheaper than the Mirai, which is by far the most common fuel-cell car in the state.
And for Tesla owners with cheap overnight electricity rates at home, it would work out even cheaper.
The Tesla Model 3 — the biggest-selling electric vehicle in California — also costs a lot less to buy in the state than a Toyota Mirai.
With federal and state incentives, the Model 3 is now available for $25,240 ($40,240 without incentives), compared to $49,500 for the Mirai — although Toyota also provides buyers with free hydrogen fuel up to the value of $15,000, paid via a fuel card, which has been a major selling point.
As Australia’s federal Coalition and the Murdoch media intensify their calls for nuclear to replace the country’s ageing coal fired generators, thereby ensuring that the switch to renewables is halted and climate action delayed …
By what twisted logic is “climate action delayed”? That just shows that “climate action” whatever it is, is not about reducing human generated greenhouse gases.
In other news I see claims that China is building the world’s largest solar and wind project in a northern desert area. Part of the video shows the blowing wind and sand common to many deserts. What can they hope to achieve from all that expense? They have made very clear that they are depending only upon FF generation, mainly coal, which they continue to build at world record rates.
A few years ago there was a report of testing solar panels in a desert area with maximal sunshine year around. The tests were about maintenance. Output from the large solar panel array was down as much as 35% in one month without constant cleaning. Such cleaning uses a great deal of water, something not generally plentiful in a desert.
Of course recycling some of the water should be possible but not easy. A considerable amount would be lost to evaporation while being used. My experience at trying to clean the car windshield in the summer verifies that. Also, capturing used water, then processing it for reuse would use a not inconsiderably small part of the generated electricity. Is there really a benefit?
Command and control economies contribute greatly to market distortions, and China digs a lot of holes only to fill them.
Perhaps more harmful than their forays into large scale renewable projects is their construction of ghost cities and creation of a housing glut. Estimates of vacant apartments range from 150 million to over a billion. Whatever it is, it seems that the boom is transitioning to bust.
I read an in depth article about the empty cities. It seems that the Chinese people have no trust in banks, smart people, so THEY invested in the buildings in these empty cities, not so smart, so that they would have actual property as savings.
So was it a scam by the government to use the Chinese peoples aversion to using banks to keep the economy humming? I would think so.
Now the Chinese population is actually declining so all those extra buildings may not be worth much more than fiat currency anyway. They are only of value IF there are jobs nearby.
Dust problems on solar powered Mars rovers ring any bells???
One reason for doing pilot programs before committing to a mass roll-out is to find problems as dirt on solar panels and seeing if there are practical solutions to the problem.
Might have carried more weight if it had been an objective overview rather than a simpering propaganda piece. By all objective measures the renewables industry is doing very badly – it’s pricing itself out of business as yet another wind industry company has just gone bankrupt. As to the batteries, I doubt that’s any better – a token installation is likely to be built that will either catch on fire or not perform adequately but look virtuous in principle. Just wasting billions of taxpayers money with no accountability.
“”Zero plans for public onshore windfarms submitted last year in England””https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/15/zero-plans-for-public-onshore-windfarms-submitted-last-year-in-england
In 2016, Areva (the French nuke builder/uranium pellets maker/fuel recycling incl. plutonium) sold its sea wind turbine division Adwen to Spanish Gamesa.
Areva had already abandoned solar, and sold Koblitz (biomass in Brazil).
Areva tried and failed so-called “renewable energy”.
No matter how much anyone wants it, It’s not happening. All they can do is spend a huge amount of money just to keep their old ones running, while fooling people that by 2035 they surley build a new one each year. (Spoiler: They won’t)
The renaissance that never was. Not 2004, 2014 and not now.
Meanwhile all surrounding countries invest heavily in renewables, and France won’t be able to compete if they stick to expensive (new) nuclear, or even worse, build SMRs.
Well, NET Zero might be possible if all the used-to-be-free nations of the world stop using fossil fuels and eat bugs. That might offset the increase in coal and other fossil fuel of such models of Freedom as Red China.
(But where would that leave us?)
Of course, France (EDF) would rather keep existing (not “old”) nukes running properly than scraping them just to build equally useful industrial tools.
Why wouldn’t France be able to extend the lifetime of these reactors to 80 years?
In Virginia Surry now licensed for 80 years, South Anna soon to be also. With NO government bailouts.
NO REASON a properly constructed and maintained nuke reactor cannot last 150 years or more. It is just a source of heat.
So the question is why MUname is against the only 0 “carbon” electricity source. I think it MUST be because he is paid by or is heavily invested in the wind and solar industries.
There is no logic to his position, so it must be greed.
“In fact, giving society cheap, abundant energy at this point would be the moral equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun. With cheap, abundant energy, the attempt clearly would be made to pave, develop, industrialize, and exploit every last bit of the planet—a trend that would inevitably lead to a collapse of the life-support systems upon which civilization depends.“ — Paul R. Ehrlich
And they are determined to de-industrialize the entire world:
“What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is ‘no’. The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong, Interview 1992, concerning the plot of a book he would like to write.
These are the people who don’t want nuclear power. And these are their explanations why.
This guy has a good explanation of the economics of nuclear. After 25 years they are paid off and are only at 1/2 life. Wind is worn out and needs replacement at 20 yrs.
Germany shut down its nuclear plants when it was in a position to start saving rate payers money….an incredibly dumb decision.
They don’t want to continue with the so called “renewables”, they decided to follow the nuclear way. And what competition are you talking about ?
And why SMR are worse ?
I was all for SMR from the manufacturing angle but now I am not so sure they are the answer. Larger plants are much more efficient, and once the need to cycle output for load following due to the variability of wind and solar, the advantages of AMR in that area disappear.
Why no need to follow the massive changes in demand from the variability of unreliables? When all the requirements to buy the output regardless of the price, government subsidies and tax deductions are removed, solar and wind will die on the vine and NOT be replaced, eliminating THAT problem over the course of the next 20 years or so.
It would be nice to establish a department in the US DOJ as reconstituted, to just follow all the money that has gone to the Tom Steyers of the world and then to Democrat politicians. It is a treasonous cabal and should be prosecuted as such. The penalty for treason in this case, considering the damage to the US economy and the profits attained through the scam, must be death.
BTW I have always thought that a criminal theft of extravagant amounts of money should have an equivalency to violent crimes. Such as if you steal 10 million dollars, that is first degree murder and the penalties include all those for that crime: Execution, or life in prison without the possibility of parole. Just sayin.
Larger nuclear plants are much more efficient when all of that power goes straight to the consumer. If you don’t have a need for that amount of generated power then it’s a waste.
One of the attractive qualities of SMRs is that they could in theory be more or less easily dropped into shuttered coal (or other fossil fuel) plants since they are essentially nothing more than another way to generate heat and could make use of the existing turbines, piping, heat exchangers etc. A relatively quick turnaround from shuttered generating plant to producing electrical generating station.
You’re not an army, you’re not dreamers and you are certainly not invincible. At best you’re a bunch of fools that are being manipulated and lied to – you think it’s ‘social justice’ it’s the most unjust and morally depraved movement in history.
From your first link
“The first graph illustrates one fundamental point – that wind and solar are adding new energy capacity faster than LNG or nuclear ever have,” This is complete bollocks. Have you or the author never heard of the “Messmer Plan”? Might I suggest that 57 nuclear reactors commissioned in 15 years is orders of magnitude greater than wind and solar have ever achieved. If the author knowingly starts with BS or alternatively is ignorant of the facts, then I really cannot take them seriously.
Simply evidence of forcing taxpayers/energy customers to pay unlimited $thousands of $billions to corrupt self-benefiting promoters for fantasy politicians to fund deceitful government agencies.
An “energy transition” to economic disaster.
Our internal enemies gloat–our external enemies salivate.
MUN> Since 1990 world energy consumption has increased by 67.6%. The fossil fuel share has gone from 76.9% to 76.7% of that while nuclear has gone from 5.32% to 3.75. During the same time frame Wind and Solar have gone from 0.01% to 5%. However, tradition biofuel – i.e. Wood – has gone from 11.35% to 6.21%. So congratulations, you massive investment in renewable clean energy has almost offset a 50% reduction in wood burning. It has done less than zero to transition away from fossil fuels, nuclear and hydro energy. But you can be assured that your virtue signally to the progressive leftists is still strong.
(Source: Our World in Data)
Ron Long
February 18, 2024 2:30 am
Where I live it is about two-thirds of the way through Summer, and we have had a typical El Niño summer. Temperatures reach 32 to 38 deg C mid-afternoon and lower to 22 or so overnight. Thunderstorms are common, and the wine grapes are loving it. Here’s the problem: we’re having blackouts, the existing power supplies, and also the older grid, cannot handle the increased demand for air conditioning. Furthermore, the blackouts are not well-coordinated with my personal entertainment interests. What’s the cause? Large and crazy amounts of tax monies go to tilting at windmills, Solar disasters, and Greenie Gas, and almost nothing to dependable energy and updated grid to handle it. It is Mitigation, represented by the foolish attempt at Net Zero, and nothing to Adaptation, like dependable power sources and updated distribution grids. That’s right, all in for Mitigation (based on a theory that is struggling to continue) versus Adaption (which works right now).
Police were called to the incident in Child’s Avenue in Bouldercombe, about 23 kilometres from Rockhampton, at 7:45pm. Officers said the fire caused hazardous smoke to spread across the immediate area and nearby residents were urged to stay indoors and keep respiratory medication close by.
Several firefighting crews responded and the fire was contained to a single battery this morning. Queensland Fire and Emergency Services Fitzroy Zone Commander John Platt said the battery pack was still alight and he was unsure how long it would continue to burn. “They are monitoring temperatures — a lot of that combustion can be internal to the unit so it’s just about monitoring and making sure the visible fire doesn’t spread,” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
Battery Explosion and Fire in Liverpool Reports of the Serious 2020 Explosion and Fire at the Liverpool, Carnegie Road Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) in Liverpool
(1) The local weather that gets about two degrees C. warmer in the first two hours every day after sunrise, or
(2) A change in the global average temperature might get two degrees C. warmer over the next 100 to 200 years, mainly affecting winter nights in colder nations.
The slowly growing length of days tells me we’ve turned the corner, heading toward Spring, but damn these single digit or low teen F mornings are still cold.
In an hour or so I will be driving past the Melksham West Storage facility (owned by Gresham House), which I’ve been sneering at for a couple of years, mainly because of the hype about it being a “50MW” supply with no indication of how long it can do that. Its energy capacity was never a secret but it was never easy to discover, presumably because the marketing children didn’t realize power is not energy so it’s an important spec. Recently they have made that information more prominent. Better late than never I suppose. (For the record it is 50MW for 1 hour.)
Hilariously, as paltry as that amount of storage is, they are having trouble selling it! In fact the whole business seems to be gasping for air.
As I understand it there is now more battery capacity being built than is actually currently needed and they are all facing problems as revenues have declined.
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Oh, well- what can you expect here in Wokeachusetts! I wonder if they appreciate any students who might challenge the climate “emergency”??
Richard M
February 18, 2024 5:37 am
Anything wrong with this analysis?
The Earth’s temperature with no atmosphere and an albedo (Solar energy reflection) equivalent to the moon (.11) is 270 K. There’s no water or gases of any kind.
Now add in an atmosphere with no water. The albedo should remain the same.
To compute the temperature, we use what’s called the dry lapse rate of 9.8 C / km. This should add 5.1*9.8 = 50 C to the 270 K base value. That comes out to a pretty warm 320 K average surface temperature (116°F) without water.
Now we add in water to get to the observed temperature of 287.5 K (58° F). We get this using the wet/environmental lapse rate of 6.5 C / km and an altitude of 5.1 km as a starting point for using the lapse rate to determine the surface temperature.
This means that adding water produces 320-287.5 = 32.5 C of cooling. That’s pretty impressive for the strongest GHG. If we subtract out the albedo effect of (270-255) = 15, we are still left with over 17 C of cooling provided by water vapor.
The atmosphere with well mixed greenhouse gases establishes a base atmospheric structure and temperature. Water vapor removes energy to create a livable climate.
The dry lapse rate is fixed based on the heat capacity of the components of the atmosphere. While greenhouse gases are required, they don’t have almost any effect on the heat capacity. That means the temperature of the dry atmosphere is also independent of the concentration of well mixed greenhouse gases. The IPCC uses water vapor to increase warming. Does that seem reasonable?
Well, let’s start with the current “observed temperature of 287,5K”, which does not exist! The number you cite is either the calculated GAT, or the fabricated “black body” temperature for an Earth that is nowhere an ideal black body. The Earth we inhabit, with the water and atmosphere that we have, has, at every instant, a surface temperature range of 233K to 313K, or greater. An earth, with a 24-hour day and no atmosphere, is not at all like the moon with its four-week-long “day”. I have no idea whether the Earth would absorb and emit the same energy in its day/night cycle the way the moon does at an “average” of270K. The intermediate calculations of hypothetical GAT’s are playful, but not very useful.
I think Mr Trump might have other concerns at the moment Tom… like how he is going to have to raise nearly half a billion dollars to pay his fraud and deformation fines. Of course some here will just excuse his behaviour blaming the lefts war on him. They wont read the judge in the tax fraud case’s comments. They wont look at the evidence. They will just blindly believe him. Oh well. What have we got next? Stormy Daniels I believe. You know the affair he never had but paid out for (I thought he was meant to be good with money?)
The judicial purgatory that Trump is experiencing appears to me to be selective prosecution. Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules. Yet, he seems to be the only one experiencing the wrath of the establishment (Swamp).
“Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules. Yet, he seems to be the only one experiencing the wrath of the establishment (Swamp).”
Not so, I think you will find that Al Capone (another famous New York – born there – Crook) also went down for tax fraud?
I remember hearing an interview with Steve Bannon who said if Trump gets done it will be for his finances. He was partly right is seems.
I am merely pointing out that there have been others convicted of tax fraud who were wealthy. And you are right there is no comparison between Capone and Trump. Capone was a Christian.
My understanding is that Al Capone was known to be involved in many other crimes besides tax evasion. However, he was too smart for the feds to be prosecuted on the other crimes, which were more serious. There aren’t any credible accusations of anything comparable to the Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre linked to Trump. Although, there have been some mutterings about Clinton and some other Democrats. Again, the ferocity and diversity of the charges against Trump don’t seem to be justified in the absence of similar prosecutions of other wealthy people.
“The judicial purgatory that Trump is experiencing appears to me to be selective prosecution. Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules.”
There is no evidence Trump “stretched the rules”. You shouldn’t assume things not in evidence. That’s what radical leftists do.
Trump didn’t do the evaluations of his property. He hired accountants and lawyers who specialize in such things to do it for him.
And then the banks do their own evaluation before loaning any money to anyone.
So where could Trump be stretching the rules here?
I expect this will eventually be thrown out of court as it is such an aggregious, vindictive judgement, not based on any evidence of fraud.
The judge and the Attorney General see fraud where there is no fraud. The Attorney General campaigned on getting something on Trump. She looked real hard and couldn’t find any legitimate case, so she just made this fraud claim up out of thin air.
Higher courts will see it differently.
Governor Hockel of New York is already trying to sooth the nerves of other business people in the New York area, telling them Trump is a special case and it won’t apply to other businesses. That is, unless the business leader decided to run for president on the Republican ticket, then all bets are off.
I haven’t actually been following the details of his recent trial. However, my sense is that without anyone complaining of being defrauded, that is someone who has standing because they have suffered harm, the prosecution by the state seems to be more along the lines of the state enforcing laws intended to prevent fraud, and as such is more akin to someone violating building codes. That means a small fine as a warning to others, with no punitive damages. $350 million is over the top with no ‘victim.’
Well hello Mr Karlo. I’m pleased you asked….According to the judge, “Trump continually lied on his financial statements and was able to get favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums as a result. Trump’s legal arguments defending the statements are based in “a fantasy world, not the real world,” And …. “Defendants’ refusal to admit error — indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor — constrains this Court to conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained,”
In other words the only way to stop the crook is to hit him where it hurts. And my take on that is nothing hurts Trump more than his “precious” being taken from him.
So there you have it. Not only a sexual criminal, but now he’s a convicted fraudster. What-a-guy.
You’re not so good at comprehending grammar either. From the top of your article it says, “Former President Donald Trump was not personally charged in the scheme and defense attorneys said he was not aware of it.”
Which is why I was careful to write “Trump organisation.” And anyway you cut it this time…. the judge has made this last one crystal clear. Trump is guilty of defrauding the tax system, which is why he has to pay 365 million.
The judge made his “guilty” verdict pronouncement before the trial started. The trial was only about the size of the penalty. Truly a “Looking-Glass” persecution!
Nothing at all irregular about the Judge doing what he did. You can be sure if there was any chance Trump could slither out, he would find the tiniest hole.
There is something irregular about this judge and this case.
A study was done and it found that this particular law has never been used this way in the past. Trump is the first one they used it on.
That’s because they are desperate to harm Trump, and no legitimate laws have been broken by him, so they got real creative with this particular law and are using that against Trump.
I hear that a lot of truckers are saying that starting Monday (today) they will refuse to deliver cargo to New York in protest of what New York is doing to Trump. That ought to be interesting.
“A study was done and it found that this particular law has never been used this way in the past.” Do you have a link to this study? “That’s because they are desperate to harm Trump, and no legitimate laws have been broken by him, “ Not true. I’ve posted above the judges written statement. He tetails in there the laws broken.
“I hear that a lot of truckers are saying that starting Monday (today) they will refuse to deliver cargo to New York in protest of what New York is doing to Trump. “ I will watch with interest to see if that makes a difference, but I support their legal right to protest.
If this cases is overturned I will accept that justice has been done an acknowledge that to you Tom. I’m not sure saying sorry is an appropriate course as all I am doing putting my faith in the law and reading the facts, which clearly at this point show Trump clearly deliberately lied about his net wealth, so he could make money.
“as all I am doing putting my faith in the law and reading the facts,”
You are putting your faith in a leftwing kook, Simon. This radical leftwing activist is trying to interfere in the presidential election. He is twisting the law to do so. I think that will be clear in the end.
I don’t think any of these charges against Trump will succeed.
Yeah, this crazy, radical leftist judge convicted Trump before testimony even began.
He was going to hit Trump as hard as he could from the very beginning.
State higher courts and possibly the U.S. Supreme Court will weigh in on this before it’s all over. I don’t think the obvious bias of the judge and the Attorney General will pass muster.
I am not a lawyer, I have not played one on TV nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately so help me out here:
1: Who was the injured party that brought this case?
2: A civil case is to make the injured party whole again, not to enhance their position, so how much are the supposed injured parties getting?
3: The Eight Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the imposition of excessive fines or is this amount not considered excessive?
It is not really that complicated. He lied to get better rates on insurance and loans, so those companies missed out on money they should have got. Now Trump says he paid the loans back, so no one missed out, but that is just a classic Trump half truth, because he obtained better rates using deceit/fraudulently. So there you go.
No. Do you think the lenders just took his word? Do think they do not have a fiduciary responsibility to protect their loans? Of course they did their own evaluation. Loan rates are competitive and lenders can offer at a rate that attracts good customers. The lenders know exactly what each rate brings in so they aren’t missing out on any money. Insurance does the same. They know what the value of the property they are insuring is so they don’t over insure. How can anyone not know this?
So which company filed the fraud claim against Trump? What did they claim their damages were?
Whether they believed him on face value is irrelevant. Trump lied to gain financial advantage. That’s fraud under the present laws of New York. “So which company filed the fraud claim against Trump? What did they claim their damages were?”
Again not relevant. Sorry, but that is how it is.
Give us an example of Trump lying connected to this case.
You don’t have an example. All you have is a radical judge making this claim. You are appealing to a highly biased, obviously unhinged, radical leftwing judge as your authority.
You can do that, but that isn’t evidence of anything.
One example would be nice. Then we would know that you are not just parroting the unhinged judge.
No, the judge grossly undervalued Trump’s properties.
Trump’s house in Florida is estimated to be worth $250 million+. The judge evaluated it at $18 million. Even a vacant lot in Trump’s neighborhood in Florida goes for $100 to $200 million dollars.
So where does this judge get this $18 million figure? It’s not even close to representing reality. Nobody except this judge would say Trump’s house is only worth $18 million. He would be laughed at if he were at a real estate convention and made this statement.
You have no evidence that Trump lied about anything, or tried to deceive anyone with his business transactions. That’s what you want to believe.
All sorts of experts signed off on these deals. So what you are actually saying is Trump’s accountants and real estate lawyers and the experts at all the banks he dealth with are lying, because they all signed off on these deals.
Does it sound plausible to you that all these people are lying about these deals? Why aren’t these other people being brought up on charges? Didn’t they have as much to do with defrauding the public as anyone? More, since Trump was depending on *their* evaluations, he wasn’t making them up on his own, so Trump cannot be the liar you claim he is. If anyone is lying, it’s not Trump.
“You have no evidence that Trump lied about anything, or tried to deceive anyone with his business transactions. That’s what you want to believe.” Please see above.
… those companies missed out on money they should have got.
Interesting comment. I take it that you have strong leftist leanings. Yet, you seem to be alright with rich people getting breaks on their insurance and interest rates just because they are rich, which the middle-class and poor don’t get. Why aren’t you railing against some people getting special treatment? Those rates aren’t dictated by law. They are willingly lowered by the insurance companies and lending agencies.
Nobody has been injured with Trump’s business transactions. Nobody has lost money. There are no victims.
The Attorney General says the general public is the victim. She claims Trump owes the public money. That is the basis of her charges. She says the public has been defrauded.
The institutions making the loans made their own, indepedent evaluations, so if they missed out, it is their own fault, not Trump’s.
And I don’t concede that Trump was trying to fool the biggest banks in the world, and if he was, I don’t think he would be successful because the banks are not depending on anything Trump says, they are depending on their own evaluations. If Trump were trying to fool them, they would discover it beforehand.
They did their estimates based on the information Trump gave them and signed a statement saying they were true and correct…. which was clearly and evidentially fraudulent.
Trump is going to start it up again. He is going to have as many legal poll watchers on hand as possible to try to keep the Democrats from cheating.
I think Trump should plan to video the voting places, inside and out, 24-hours per day from the start to the finish. That way, he can spot votes being delivered in the dead of the night, after the polls have closed, like what happened in 2020.
“I think Trump should plan to video the voting places, inside and out, 24-hours per day from the start to the finish. That way, he can spot votes being delivered in the dead of the night, after the polls have closed, like what happened in 2020.” If you truely believe that Tom, then I genuinely feel sorry for you….
I truly believe Democrat cheating went on in the 2020 presidential election. I don’t know that the cheating was enough to swing the election. Maybe, maybe not.
I do know there were enough questionable votes to swing the election one way or the other, but we can’t say for sure who those questionable votes went to. But I can guess.
“I truly believe Democrat cheating went on in the 2020 presidential election.” Any more than republican cheating? Exhaustive inquiries have found nothing more than the usual individual idiot who tried to vote twice. In fact the man Trump put in charge to watch over the entire event said it was secure. That’s enough for me.
I think it is probably understood, but the United States should state plainly that any nuclear detonations in space that take out our military and commercial satellites in one fell swoop will be a declaration of nuclear war and the offending country will receive the full nuclear response of the United States.
If Donald Trump made that statement, the Bad Guys would pay attention. Biden, not so much, but his administration should make this clear to our enemies.
If our enemies believe they will cause a nuclear war by detonating nuclear weapons in orbit, then they will not detonate nuclear weapons in orbit because they are not suicidal. With the exception of the Mad Mullahs of Iran who would not let that deter them since their god tells them that dying for the cause is a good thing.
If the Mad Mullahs get nuclear weapons, expect them to use them.
Obama and Biden have both enabled the Mad Mullahs to get close to building nuclear weapons, and this is the biggest blunder of the 21st century.
If they allow the Mad Mullahs to get a nuclear weapon, all hell with break loose.
The one good thing about this situation is Israel will do everything it can, including attacking the Mad Mullahs directly, in order to prevent them from acquiring and using a nuclear weapon. So all hope is not lost, even if Biden won’t act, which he probably won’t.
They have no choice. They cannot afford to allow the Mad Mullahs to have nuclear weapons. They know what the Mad Mullahs will do with those nuclear weapons.
And keep in mind that Israel has its own nuclear weapons, so don’t think they can’t stop the Mad Mullahs if they think they have to.
“Joe Biden is the worst president evah!” Hmmm he is probably loosing it (I think Trump is too), but his speech re the murder by Putin of Navalny was stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia2sy7z1Cqs
And he is 100% right. The US needs to send Putin a message by maintaining support for Ukraine.
I’ll note that to date Trump has made no comment re Navalny. Maybe he doesn’t want to upset his fwend Putin. But now is the time for everyone to send the war criminal a message.
I agree that Putin should be condemned for his treatment of Navalny.
I agree that Ukraine should be supported.
Putin is not Trump’s friend. That is a leftwing talking point, and apparently now it’s a Nikki Haley talking point. Drop out, Nikki. It’s over.
Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.
Putin was asked who he preferred, Hillary or Trump. Putin said he preferred Hillary.
Trump thanked Putin for making it clear that he, Putin, doesn’t prefer Trump.
And we know the reason Putin supports Hillary and Biden, because they enable Putin’s actions, unlike Trump, who restricts Putin’s actions. Of course, Putin is going to prefer Hillary or Biden or any other clueless Democrat. It’s in his interest.
“Putin is not Trump’s friend. ”
Then now is the time for Trump to come out and make a concise statement damning the assassination of Navany.
“Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.”
And you believe that? Did you watch Biden’s statement re Navalny? Clear, concise, statesmanly.
“And we know the reason Putin supports Hillary and Biden, because they enable Putin’s actions, unlike Trump, who restricts Putin’s actions. “
Then why hasn’t Trump stood up to the bully Putin and condemned his killing of Navalny? Are you not puzzled by this lack of action?
I’m mad a political opponent was assassinated by a dictator tyrant. If he is a nazi (and I doubt he is) it would make no difference to my feelings about him being killed on the orders of Putin.
It makes sense. He is asking you if you have proof that Putin issued an order to have Navalny killed.
You confidently state it is a fact, so what is that based on?
I personally, think it is most probable that Putin had something to do with his death, in one way or another, but stating it as an established, provable fact is something else.
There is not anyone on the left or right in the US who doubts Putin murdered him. He had already tried once, so no, I’m sorry Tom that is a red hearing.
““Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.”
Simon: And you believe that? Did you watch Biden’s statement re Navalny? Clear, concise, statesmanly.”
Do you think this statement by Biden strikes fear in Putin’s heart? I don’ tthink so. I think Putin has Biden pegged as an appeaser who will do the minimum and won’t seriously confront Putin.
“Do you think this statement by Biden strikes fear in Putin’s heart? I don’ tthink so” I don’t think anything strikes pear into Putins heart. Certainly not a boot licker like Trump.
He is president in name only. He frequently has difficulty finding his way off the stage after he finishes reading the teleprompter. He is obviously a puppet.
Our two-party system has usually confronted me with the dilemma of deciding which candidate is the lesser of two evils. Yet, I think that American has done a damn good job of competing with the rest of the world and providing an exemplary example of how to do things. I am of English, Irish, and Scottish heritage, but I can’t say the same of of the UK.
rxc6422
February 18, 2024 2:00 pm
Heads up about rising ocean temperatures. I cannot see the original article.
Wind and solar are delivering an energy transition at record speed
https://reneweconomy.com.au/wind-and-solar-are-delivering-an-energy-transition-at-record-speed/
Solar & Battery Storage to Make Up 81% of New U.S. Electric-Generating Capacity in 2024
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/15/solar-battery-storage-to-make-up-81-of-new-u-s-electric-generating-capacity-in-2024/
Try this and get back to us with your progress
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2024/02/18/life-without-oil/
Your desperation is showing.
Desperation?
Try life without oil and let us know how you get on. You do want a life without oil, right?
No, I never said that. You just seem to make stuff up to cope with reality.
So you think we need oil, then?
Just as we need gas and coal – energy that is reliable, dependable and without the unreliables – affordable
REALITY is that modern society relies TOTALLY on oil and other fossil fuels.
It is gormless twits like you that want to live in their twisted little La-La Land of intermittent and erratic electricity supply.
There is absolutely no scientific or rational reason for attempting to implement grid scale unreliable electricity.
Your articles just use faulty statistics in an attempt to manipulate reader opinions. A more complete analysis would deal with both relative and absolute figures.
your ignorance is showing
HYDROGEN
The cost is closer to 50 c/kWh, delivered to user, because:
1) You have to STORE it, which is technically hard to do. Google
2) You cannot pipe it (too dangerous). Users of hydrogen need their own production and storage.
That is why Germany is using gas-fired CCGT plants combined with hydrogen plants, for DEMONSTRATION purposes
3) And you have to use large-scale battery systems, or other storage systems, if wind and solar are the electricity sources
This brings us to the cost/kWh of the electricity to be used for producing hydrogen
OFFSHORE WIND
In New York State, off-shore wind developers, who had bid in 2023 for contracts at about $90-100/MWh (i.e., 9 – 10 cents per kWh), a few months later, reneged on signed contracts and demanded prices in the range of $150-160/MWh, or 15-16 cents per kWh.
What is almost always not mentioned, at higher wind penetration, say 30%, as in Germany, the UK, etc.,, regarding offshore wind,
1) Add 2 c/kWh for grid buildout, and
2) Add 2 c/kWh for curtailments, and
3) Add 2 c/kWh for counteracting the ups and downs of wind.
These numbers are based on UK experience.
Why do you think German, UK, etc., electric rates have gone through the roof?
Regarding battery storage, at 40% throughput, cost of electricity from battery and fed to HV grid is at least 23 c/kWh, much higher at lesser throughputs
BATTERY SYSTEMS
BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, OPERATING COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging/edit
Example of Turnkey Cost of Large-Scale, Megapack Battery System, 2023 pricing
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The system consists of 50 Megapack 2, rated 45.3 MW/181.9 MWh, 4-h energy delivery
Power = 50 Megapacks x 0.979 MW x 0.926, Tesla design factor = 45.3 MW
Energy = 50 Megapacks x 3.916 MWh x 0.929, Tesla design factor = 181.9 MWh
Estimate of supply by Tesla, $90 million, or $495/kWh. See URL
Estimate of supply by Others, $14.5 million, or $80/kWh
All-in, turnkey cost about $575/kWh; 2023 pricing
https://www.tesla.com/megapack/design
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/tesla-hikes-megapack-prices-commodity-inflation-soars
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Annual Cost of Megapack Battery Systems; 2023 pricing
Assume a system rated 45.3 MW/181.9 MWh, and an all-in turnkey cost of $104.5 million, per Example 2
Amortize bank loan for 50% of $104.5 million at 6.5%/y for 15 years, $5.484 million/y
Pay Owner return of 50% of $104.5 million at 10%/y for 15 years, $6.765 million/y (10% due to high inflation)
Lifetime (Bank + Owner) payments 15 x (5.484 + 6.765) = $183.7 million
Assume battery daily usage for 15 years at 10%, and loss factor = 1/(0.9 *0.9)
Battery lifetime output = 15 y x 365 d/y x 181.9 MWh x 0.1, usage x 1000 kWh/MWh = 99,590,250 kWh to HV grid; 122,950,926 kWh from HV grid; 233,606,676 kWh loss
(Bank + Owner) payments, $183.7 million / 99,590,250 kWh = 184.5 c/kWh
Less 50% subsidies (ITC, depreciation in 5 years, deduction of interest on borrowed funds) is 92.3c/kWh
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At 10% usage, (Bank + Owner) cost, 92.3 c/kWh
At 40% usage, (Bank + Owner) cost, 23.1 c/kWh
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Excluded costs/kWh: 1) O&M; 2) system aging, 1.5%/y, 3) 19% HV grid-to-HV grid loss, 3) grid extension/reinforcement to connect battery systems, 5) downtime of parts of the system, 6) decommissioning in year 15, i.e., disassembly, reprocessing and storing at hazardous waste sites.
NOTE: These excluded costs would add at least 10 c/kWh
NOTE: The 40% throughput is close to Tesla’s recommendation of 60% maximum throughput, i.e., not charging above 80% full and not discharging below 20% full, to achieve a 15-y life, with normal aging
NOTE: Tesla’s recommendation was not heeded by the owners of the Hornsdale Power Reserve in Australia. They added Megapacks to offset rapid aging of the original system, and added more Megapacks to increase the rating of the expanded system.
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-hornsdale-power-reserve-largest-battery-system-in-australia
COMMENT ON CALCULATION
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Regarding any project, the bank and the owner have to be paid, no matter what.
Therefore, I amortized the bank loan and the owner’s investment
If you divide the total of the payments over 15 years by the throughput during 15 years, you get the cost per kWh, as shown.
According to EIA annual reports, almost all battery systems have throughputs less than 10%. I chose 10% for calculations.
A few battery systems have higher throughputs, if they are used to absorb midday solar and discharge it during peak hour periods of late-afternoon/early-evening.
They may reach up to 40% throughput. I chose 40% for calculations
Remember, you have to draw about 50 units from the HV grid to deliver about 40 units to the HV grid, because of a-to-z system losses. That gets worse with aging.
A lot of people do not like these c/kWh numbers, because they have been repeatedly told by self-serving folks, battery Nirvana is just around the corner, which is a load of crap.
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NOTE 1: Aerial photos of large-scale battery systems with many Megapacks, show many items of equipment, other than the Tesla supply, such as step-down/step-up transformers, switchgear, connections to the grid, land, access roads, fencing, security, site lighting, i.e., the cost of the Tesla supply is only one part of the battery system cost at a site.
NOTE 2: Battery system turnkey capital costs and electricity storage costs likely will be much higher in 2023 and future years, than in 2021 and earlier years, due to: 1) increased inflation rates, 2) increased interest rates, 3) supply chain disruptions, which delay projects and increase costs, 4) increased energy prices, such as of oil, gas, coal, electricity, etc., 5) increased materials prices, such as of tungsten, cobalt, lithium, copper, manganese, etc., 6) increased labor rates.
NOTE 3: If a 24-h battery system is desired, each parallel train would have 10 units x 4 h/unit x 0.6, Tesla limit = 24 hours
Ten, 4-h Megapacks, in series, would be required!!
Above example would have 50 x 6 = 300 Megapacks.
Tesla design factors would apply. See article
NOTE 4: World cobalt production was 142,000 and 170,000 metric ton, in 2020 and 2021, respectively, of which the Democratic Republic of the Congo was 120,000 metric ton in 2021
https://www.kitco.com/news/2022-02-02/Global-cobalt-production-hits-record-in-2021-as-mined-cobalt-output-in-DR-Congo-jumps-22-4.html
HYDROGEN TO THE RESCUE? ARE YOU KIDDING?
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hydrogen-to-the-rescue-are-you-kidding
I decided to turn the above comment into a short article, so y’all can easily distribute it to your contacts.
It is now almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota hydrogen car in California than a comparable Tesla EVThe state’s largest H2 fuel supplier has hiked its pump price to $36 per kg across all 37 of its filling stations
By Leigh Collins
It is currently almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota Mirai in California than a comparable Tesla battery-electric car after a massive hydrogen fuel price hike, according to calculations by Hydrogen Insight.
California’s largest H2 fuel retailer, True Zero, which operates 37 of the 53 hydrogen filling stations in the state, recently hiked the price of H2 at all its pumps to $36/kg, up from around $30/kg.
As recently as April 2021, it was charging just $13.14 per kilo.
https://images-global.nhst.tech/image/SXdoVUJTeFBUNk5vK0FJWkd2VmhIdWhQczkrMnpGd215b0pNYkpVSkNxRT0=/nhst/binary/212fb9f6b3cb99b53dfc6ae88a0ab76e
Californian legislators mull $300m hydrogen refuelling subsidy — despite admitting that it is a ‘waste of money’
At the new price, filling a Toyota Mirai’s 5.6 kg tank would cost $201.60 — around $0.50 per mile, according to the Japanese auto maker’s claimed driving range of 400 miles (647km).
By way of comparison, fully charging a 60 kWh Tesla Model 3 in California would cost $11.94, based on the latest average electricity prices.
With an official range of 333 miles on a full battery, it therefore costs $0.036 per mile — almost 14 times cheaper than the Mirai, which is by far the most common fuel-cell car in the state.
And for Tesla owners with cheap overnight electricity rates at home, it would work out even cheaper.
The Tesla Model 3 — the biggest-selling electric vehicle in California — also costs a lot less to buy in the state than a Toyota Mirai.
With federal and state incentives, the Model 3 is now available for $25,240 ($40,240 without incentives), compared to $49,500 for the Mirai — although Toyota also provides buyers with free hydrogen fuel up to the value of $15,000, paid via a fuel card, which has been a major selling point.
The opening sentence of the first article
By what twisted logic is “climate action delayed”? That just shows that “climate action” whatever it is, is not about reducing human generated greenhouse gases.
In other news I see claims that China is building the world’s largest solar and wind project in a northern desert area. Part of the video shows the blowing wind and sand common to many deserts. What can they hope to achieve from all that expense? They have made very clear that they are depending only upon FF generation, mainly coal, which they continue to build at world record rates.
A few years ago there was a report of testing solar panels in a desert area with maximal sunshine year around. The tests were about maintenance. Output from the large solar panel array was down as much as 35% in one month without constant cleaning. Such cleaning uses a great deal of water, something not generally plentiful in a desert.
Of course recycling some of the water should be possible but not easy. A considerable amount would be lost to evaporation while being used. My experience at trying to clean the car windshield in the summer verifies that. Also, capturing used water, then processing it for reuse would use a not inconsiderably small part of the generated electricity. Is there really a benefit?
Command and control economies contribute greatly to market distortions, and China digs a lot of holes only to fill them.
Perhaps more harmful than their forays into large scale renewable projects is their construction of ghost cities and creation of a housing glut. Estimates of vacant apartments range from 150 million to over a billion. Whatever it is, it seems that the boom is transitioning to bust.
I read an in depth article about the empty cities. It seems that the Chinese people have no trust in banks, smart people, so THEY invested in the buildings in these empty cities, not so smart, so that they would have actual property as savings.
So was it a scam by the government to use the Chinese peoples aversion to using banks to keep the economy humming? I would think so.
Now the Chinese population is actually declining so all those extra buildings may not be worth much more than fiat currency anyway. They are only of value IF there are jobs nearby.
People are suckers for bubbles. Instead of tulips in China its housing. The phantom belt will need to be tightened because models are failing.
The jargon term in the PV industry is “soiling”, and yeah, it is a big problem if rain or snow do not periodically clean the glass surfaces naturally.
Blowing sand also isn’t good.
Dust problems on solar powered Mars rovers ring any bells???
One reason for doing pilot programs before committing to a mass roll-out is to find problems as dirt on solar panels and seeing if there are practical solutions to the problem.
Might have carried more weight if it had been an objective overview rather than a simpering propaganda piece. By all objective measures the renewables industry is doing very badly – it’s pricing itself out of business as yet another wind industry company has just gone bankrupt. As to the batteries, I doubt that’s any better – a token installation is likely to be built that will either catch on fire or not perform adequately but look virtuous in principle. Just wasting billions of taxpayers money with no accountability.
“”Zero plans for public onshore windfarms submitted last year in England””https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/15/zero-plans-for-public-onshore-windfarms-submitted-last-year-in-england
Money replaces oil as the lubricant….
In 2016, Areva (the French nuke builder/uranium pellets maker/fuel recycling incl. plutonium) sold its sea wind turbine division Adwen to Spanish Gamesa.
Areva had already abandoned solar, and sold Koblitz (biomass in Brazil).
Areva tried and failed so-called “renewable energy”.
They probably got into the areas of business rent seeking and got out when the government money started to peter out.
It was great virtue signaling while it lasted.
Just now, France produces 41 GW of electricity from nuclear fission: https://www.rte-france.com/eco2mix/la-production-delectricite-par-filiere
(for a consumption of 51 GW)
How much more would you like France to build nuclear generation capacity?
No matter how much anyone wants it, It’s not happening. All they can do is spend a huge amount of money just to keep their old ones running, while fooling people that by 2035 they surley build a new one each year. (Spoiler: They won’t)
The renaissance that never was. Not 2004, 2014 and not now.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/nuclear-energy-generation?tab=chart&country=~FRA
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-fossil-renewables-nuclear-line?country=~FRA
Meanwhile all surrounding countries invest heavily in renewables, and France won’t be able to compete if they stick to expensive (new) nuclear, or even worse, build SMRs.
Net Zero:
“”No matter how much anyone wants it, It’s not happening. “”
Because it is impossible
Well, NET Zero might be possible if all the used-to-be-free nations of the world stop using fossil fuels and eat bugs. That might offset the increase in coal and other fossil fuel of such models of Freedom as Red China.
(But where would that leave us?)
So they’ve been at the wind & solar projects for ` 35 years now.
Can you point to one state , region, city or town that gets its grid electricity exclusively 100% from wind & solar 24/7/52?
Of course, France (EDF) would rather keep existing (not “old”) nukes running properly than scraping them just to build equally useful industrial tools.
Why wouldn’t France be able to extend the lifetime of these reactors to 80 years?
In Virginia Surry now licensed for 80 years, South Anna soon to be also. With NO government bailouts.
NO REASON a properly constructed and maintained nuke reactor cannot last 150 years or more. It is just a source of heat.
So the question is why MUname is against the only 0 “carbon” electricity source. I think it MUST be because he is paid by or is heavily invested in the wind and solar industries.
There is no logic to his position, so it must be greed.
Metal fatigue is one reason.
“In fact, giving society cheap, abundant energy at this point would be the moral equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun. With cheap, abundant energy, the attempt clearly would be made to pave, develop, industrialize, and exploit every last bit of the planet—a trend that would inevitably lead to a collapse of the life-support systems upon which civilization depends.“ — Paul R. Ehrlich
And they are determined to de-industrialize the entire world:
“What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group’s conclusion is ‘no’. The rich countries won’t do it. They won’t change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong, Interview 1992, concerning the plot of a book he would like to write.
These are the people who don’t want nuclear power. And these are their explanations why.
This guy has a good explanation of the economics of nuclear. After 25 years they are paid off and are only at 1/2 life. Wind is worn out and needs replacement at 20 yrs.
Germany shut down its nuclear plants when it was in a position to start saving rate payers money….an incredibly dumb decision.
https://youtu.be/cbeJIwF1pVY?si=1LX-Upw7SkBHVg8l
They don’t want to continue with the so called “renewables”, they decided to follow the nuclear way. And what competition are you talking about ?
And why SMR are worse ?
I was all for SMR from the manufacturing angle but now I am not so sure they are the answer. Larger plants are much more efficient, and once the need to cycle output for load following due to the variability of wind and solar, the advantages of AMR in that area disappear.
Why no need to follow the massive changes in demand from the variability of unreliables? When all the requirements to buy the output regardless of the price, government subsidies and tax deductions are removed, solar and wind will die on the vine and NOT be replaced, eliminating THAT problem over the course of the next 20 years or so.
It would be nice to establish a department in the US DOJ as reconstituted, to just follow all the money that has gone to the Tom Steyers of the world and then to Democrat politicians. It is a treasonous cabal and should be prosecuted as such. The penalty for treason in this case, considering the damage to the US economy and the profits attained through the scam, must be death.
BTW I have always thought that a criminal theft of extravagant amounts of money should have an equivalency to violent crimes. Such as if you steal 10 million dollars, that is first degree murder and the penalties include all those for that crime: Execution, or life in prison without the possibility of parole. Just sayin.
Larger nuclear plants are much more efficient when all of that power goes straight to the consumer. If you don’t have a need for that amount of generated power then it’s a waste.
One of the attractive qualities of SMRs is that they could in theory be more or less easily dropped into shuttered coal (or other fossil fuel) plants since they are essentially nothing more than another way to generate heat and could make use of the existing turbines, piping, heat exchangers etc. A relatively quick turnaround from shuttered generating plant to producing electrical generating station.
The “transition” can NEVER exist until they can deliver electricity at night or when it is overcast when there is no wind.
They CANNOT shut down fossil fuel electricity, the world will grind to a halt. (as Germany and the UK are currently doing)
Sooner or later all the idiotic subsidies and anti-CO2 rules will have to go.
Then no-one will bother with wind or solar.
Battery storage to be added is around 14GW.. USA peak usage is well over 700GW and climbing each year
It is a total nothing burger. !! A parasitic add-on.
Are you looking forward to transitioning ? Pretending to be a girl, and all that?
“Parasitic””
Spot on
A few areas might run 100% on so-called “renewable” – under the traditional historical definition, before Calif liberals excluded big hydro.
You are a leftist green dreamer, living in la la land, overexcited by alternative energy, and you need to be sedated.
92% of global primary energy consumption is from hydrocarbon fuels. About the same as ten years ago.
92% excludes burning wood which emits lots of CO2, but the amount burned is hard to estimate.
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We are an army of dreamers, and that’s why we’re invincible. –Marcos 😉
Dreamers are not invincible, but many are deluded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSb-33aXK3E&t=77s
You’re not an army, you’re not dreamers and you are certainly not invincible. At best you’re a bunch of fools that are being manipulated and lied to – you think it’s ‘social justice’ it’s the most unjust and morally depraved movement in history.
“Our choice is not between war and peace but between life with dignity or without. “
Why are you so intent on going down the path of zero dignity ??
That is where all this idiotic Net-Zero nonsense is leading.
Suffering, deprivation of liberty, famine,
You will have NOTHING. !!
And you will not enjoy it.
From your first link
“The first graph illustrates one fundamental point – that wind and solar are adding new energy capacity faster than LNG or nuclear ever have,”
This is complete bollocks. Have you or the author never heard of the “Messmer Plan”?
Might I suggest that 57 nuclear reactors commissioned in 15 years is orders of magnitude greater than wind and solar have ever achieved. If the author knowingly starts with BS or alternatively is ignorant of the facts, then I really cannot take them seriously.
I once ate a burrito on a train in Mexico that delivered a bowel movement in record speed.
Do you drive a battery car yet, Lusername?
Oh, and the 81% number just tells you how successful the Bidenistas have been at killing coal and gas generation, new capacity isn’t being built.
Simply evidence of forcing taxpayers/energy customers to pay unlimited $thousands of $billions to corrupt self-benefiting promoters for fantasy politicians to fund deceitful government agencies.
An “energy transition” to economic disaster.
Our internal enemies gloat–our external enemies salivate.
We have to destroy the environment in order to say it.
save
That looks like Altamont Pass. Do you know if that is the case? I haven’t been there since the late-1990s.
It’s not as bad as shown in the video, but there are still some bare towers and most of the foundations present today.
MUN> Since 1990 world energy consumption has increased by 67.6%. The fossil fuel share has gone from 76.9% to 76.7% of that while nuclear has gone from 5.32% to 3.75. During the same time frame Wind and Solar have gone from 0.01% to 5%. However, tradition biofuel – i.e. Wood – has gone from 11.35% to 6.21%. So congratulations, you massive investment in renewable clean energy has almost offset a 50% reduction in wood burning. It has done less than zero to transition away from fossil fuels, nuclear and hydro energy. But you can be assured that your virtue signally to the progressive leftists is still strong.
(Source: Our World in Data)
Where I live it is about two-thirds of the way through Summer, and we have had a typical El Niño summer. Temperatures reach 32 to 38 deg C mid-afternoon and lower to 22 or so overnight. Thunderstorms are common, and the wine grapes are loving it. Here’s the problem: we’re having blackouts, the existing power supplies, and also the older grid, cannot handle the increased demand for air conditioning. Furthermore, the blackouts are not well-coordinated with my personal entertainment interests. What’s the cause? Large and crazy amounts of tax monies go to tilting at windmills, Solar disasters, and Greenie Gas, and almost nothing to dependable energy and updated grid to handle it. It is Mitigation, represented by the foolish attempt at Net Zero, and nothing to Adaptation, like dependable power sources and updated distribution grids. That’s right, all in for Mitigation (based on a theory that is struggling to continue) versus Adaption (which works right now).
Just the grumbling of peasants. Don’t you know you don’t count? Air conditioning is for the upper class.
If you are in Australia, may I recommend legalising nuclear?
To pay more for less in 30 years?
Police were called to the incident in Child’s Avenue in Bouldercombe, about 23 kilometres from Rockhampton, at 7:45pm. Officers said the fire caused hazardous smoke to spread across the immediate area and nearby residents were urged to stay indoors and keep respiratory medication close by.
Several firefighting crews responded and the fire was contained to a single battery this morning. Queensland Fire and Emergency Services Fitzroy Zone Commander John Platt said the battery pack was still alight and he was unsure how long it would continue to burn. “They are monitoring temperatures — a lot of that combustion can be internal to the unit so it’s just about monitoring and making sure the visible fire doesn’t spread,”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
Tesla ‘big battery’ fire fuels concerns over lithium risks
In Beijing, a fire at a lithium-ion battery installation in April killed two firefighters and took 235 firefighters to control.
https://www.ft.com/content/8c9c3d50-98a3-4cdf-907f-901f8c328b90
Battery Explosion and Fire in Liverpool
Reports of the Serious 2020 Explosion and Fire at the Liverpool, Carnegie Road Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) in Liverpool
I could go on…
There will be no wind and solar in 30 years….
… unless it is all replaced, twice, by manic subsidies.
If wind and solar exists…. costs will be totally off the chart !
He’s in Argentina, the hottest renewable energy market.
Which is more important to you?
(1) The local weather that gets about two degrees C. warmer in the first two hours every day after sunrise, or
(2) A change in the global average temperature might get two degrees C. warmer over the next 100 to 200 years, mainly affecting winter nights in colder nations.
“A change in the global average temperature might get two degrees C. warmer over the next 100 to 200 years,”
Or might not…. Projection like that are based on non-science.
Cooling on the other hand, could be a real problem.
The slowly growing length of days tells me we’ve turned the corner, heading toward Spring, but damn these single digit or low teen F mornings are still cold.
Indeed.
The inevitable Cooling due to the oncoming glaciation cycle, on the other hand,
couldWILL be a real problem.There, fixed it for you.
Let’s burn more FF to cushion the transition to the next Little Ice Age.
In an hour or so I will be driving past the Melksham West Storage facility (owned by Gresham House), which I’ve been sneering at for a couple of years, mainly because of the hype about it being a “50MW” supply with no indication of how long it can do that. Its energy capacity was never a secret but it was never easy to discover, presumably because the marketing children didn’t realize power is not energy so it’s an important spec. Recently they have made that information more prominent. Better late than never I suppose. (For the record it is 50MW for 1 hour.)
Hilariously, as paltry as that amount of storage is, they are having trouble selling it! In fact the whole business seems to be gasping for air.
The picture in that article seems to show the addition of a FF generator. Whatever the case, a serious engineering change was made.
Don’t worry, I am sure that their cronies in government will find a way to keep them in the black.
“having trouble selling it”
As I understand it there is now more battery capacity being built than is actually currently needed and they are all facing problems as revenues have declined.
My alma mater, U. Mass. (Amherst) claims to have the worlds best wind education center.
https://www.umass.edu/windenergy/
In the “about” section of that site I see:
Oh, well- what can you expect here in Wokeachusetts! I wonder if they appreciate any students who might challenge the climate “emergency”??
Anything wrong with this analysis?
The Earth’s temperature with no atmosphere and an albedo (Solar energy reflection) equivalent to the moon (.11) is 270 K. There’s no water or gases of any kind.
Now add in an atmosphere with no water. The albedo should remain the same.
To compute the temperature, we use what’s called the dry lapse rate of 9.8 C / km. This should add 5.1*9.8 = 50 C to the 270 K base value. That comes out to a pretty warm 320 K average surface temperature (116°F) without water.
Now we add in water to get to the observed temperature of 287.5 K (58° F). We get this using the wet/environmental lapse rate of 6.5 C / km and an altitude of 5.1 km as a starting point for using the lapse rate to determine the surface temperature.
This means that adding water produces 320-287.5 = 32.5 C of cooling. That’s pretty impressive for the strongest GHG. If we subtract out the albedo effect of (270-255) = 15, we are still left with over 17 C of cooling provided by water vapor.
The atmosphere with well mixed greenhouse gases establishes a base atmospheric structure and temperature. Water vapor removes energy to create a livable climate.
The dry lapse rate is fixed based on the heat capacity of the components of the atmosphere. While greenhouse gases are required, they don’t have almost any effect on the heat capacity. That means the temperature of the dry atmosphere is also independent of the concentration of well mixed greenhouse gases.
The IPCC uses water vapor to increase warming. Does that seem reasonable?
Nothing the NPCC does seems reasonable.
You are onto something
No one will understand the calculations, except those very few people who are intimately involved with the subject.
Your calculations need verification and backup, plus they have to show more steps to go from a to b
It is almost certain that WV and the atmosphere balances itself out under the gas laws.
…. this precludes any effect by enhanced atmospheric CO2.
That is why no-one, anywhere, can produce any actual measured science of that tiny theoretical, radiation-only warming.
Well, let’s start with the current “observed temperature of 287,5K”, which does not exist! The number you cite is either the calculated GAT, or the fabricated “black body” temperature for an Earth that is nowhere an ideal black body. The Earth we inhabit, with the water and atmosphere that we have, has, at every instant, a surface temperature range of 233K to 313K, or greater. An earth, with a 24-hour day and no atmosphere, is not at all like the moon with its four-week-long “day”. I have no idea whether the Earth would absorb and emit the same energy in its day/night cycle the way the moon does at an “average” of270K. The intermediate calculations of hypothetical GAT’s are playful, but not very useful.
According to SCMP and its sources, the world is becoming uninsurable.
Donald Trump wants poll watchers to watch over the November 5, 2024, presidential election, to try to prevent the Democrats from cheating.
If you want to volunteer, go to DonaldJTrump.com and sign up.
I think Mr Trump might have other concerns at the moment Tom… like how he is going to have to raise nearly half a billion dollars to pay his fraud and deformation fines. Of course some here will just excuse his behaviour blaming the lefts war on him. They wont read the judge in the tax fraud case’s comments. They wont look at the evidence. They will just blindly believe him. Oh well. What have we got next? Stormy Daniels I believe. You know the affair he never had but paid out for (I thought he was meant to be good with money?)
What exactly did he do to deserve a 350 million $$$$ fine? What “fraud”?
Send mean tweets?
Drive marxist kooks like yourself off the deep end?
You are still nothing but a lame liar.
The judicial purgatory that Trump is experiencing appears to me to be selective prosecution. Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules. Yet, he seems to be the only one experiencing the wrath of the establishment (Swamp).
“Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules. Yet, he seems to be the only one experiencing the wrath of the establishment (Swamp).”
Not so, I think you will find that Al Capone (another famous New York – born there – Crook) also went down for tax fraud?
I remember hearing an interview with Steve Bannon who said if Trump gets done it will be for his finances. He was partly right is seems.
Capone? That is a stretch beyond even you.
I am merely pointing out that there have been others convicted of tax fraud who were wealthy. And you are right there is no comparison between Capone and Trump. Capone was a Christian.
A good Christian too. He probably went to confession frequently. He may have even rubbed shoulders with some of Biden’s close ancestors.
My understanding is that Al Capone was known to be involved in many other crimes besides tax evasion. However, he was too smart for the feds to be prosecuted on the other crimes, which were more serious. There aren’t any credible accusations of anything comparable to the Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre linked to Trump. Although, there have been some mutterings about Clinton and some other Democrats. Again, the ferocity and diversity of the charges against Trump don’t seem to be justified in the absence of similar prosecutions of other wealthy people.
“The judicial purgatory that Trump is experiencing appears to me to be selective prosecution. Surely he isn’t the only wealthy person to stretch the rules.”
There is no evidence Trump “stretched the rules”. You shouldn’t assume things not in evidence. That’s what radical leftists do.
Trump didn’t do the evaluations of his property. He hired accountants and lawyers who specialize in such things to do it for him.
And then the banks do their own evaluation before loaning any money to anyone.
So where could Trump be stretching the rules here?
I expect this will eventually be thrown out of court as it is such an aggregious, vindictive judgement, not based on any evidence of fraud.
The judge and the Attorney General see fraud where there is no fraud. The Attorney General campaigned on getting something on Trump. She looked real hard and couldn’t find any legitimate case, so she just made this fraud claim up out of thin air.
Higher courts will see it differently.
Governor Hockel of New York is already trying to sooth the nerves of other business people in the New York area, telling them Trump is a special case and it won’t apply to other businesses. That is, unless the business leader decided to run for president on the Republican ticket, then all bets are off.
“There is no evidence Trump “stretched the rules”. You shouldn’t assume things not in evidence. That’s what radical leftists do.”
Tom did you read the evidence presented during the trial? If not then you have no right to make that comment. Here is the judges damning report. Read it, then get back to me whether you believe Trump did nothing wrong…
https://www.scribd.com/document/706231478/452564-2022-People-of-the-State-of-v-People-of-the-State-of-Decision-After-Trial-1688#1fullscreen=1
I haven’t actually been following the details of his recent trial. However, my sense is that without anyone complaining of being defrauded, that is someone who has standing because they have suffered harm, the prosecution by the state seems to be more along the lines of the state enforcing laws intended to prevent fraud, and as such is more akin to someone violating building codes. That means a small fine as a warning to others, with no punitive damages. $350 million is over the top with no ‘victim.’
Well hello Mr Karlo. I’m pleased you asked….According to the judge, “Trump continually lied on his financial statements and was able to get favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums as a result. Trump’s legal arguments defending the statements are based in “a fantasy world, not the real world,”
And …. “Defendants’ refusal to admit error — indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor — constrains this Court to conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained,”
In other words the only way to stop the crook is to hit him where it hurts. And my take on that is nothing hurts Trump more than his “precious” being taken from him.
So there you have it. Not only a sexual criminal, but now he’s a convicted fraudster. What-a-guy.
You apparently don’t understand the difference between civil and criminal trials, Simon. So far, there has been no Trump conviction.
He’s the victim of political lawfare. He’s certainly not been convicted of fraud. Let’s wait and see what happens on appeal.
“So far, there has been no Trump conviction.”
You need to keep up. The Trump organisation has already been convicted of tax fraud. Read the first paragraph.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/trump-org-fined-1-6-million-for-criminal-tax-fraud-00077877
You’re not so good at comprehending grammar either. From the top of your article it says, “Former President Donald Trump was not personally charged in the scheme and defense attorneys said he was not aware of it.”
Which is why I was careful to write “Trump organisation.” And anyway you cut it this time…. the judge has made this last one crystal clear. Trump is guilty of defrauding the tax system, which is why he has to pay 365 million.
The judge made his “guilty” verdict pronouncement before the trial started. The trial was only about the size of the penalty. Truly a “Looking-Glass” persecution!
Nothing at all irregular about the Judge doing what he did. You can be sure if there was any chance Trump could slither out, he would find the tiniest hole.
There is something irregular about this judge and this case.
A study was done and it found that this particular law has never been used this way in the past. Trump is the first one they used it on.
That’s because they are desperate to harm Trump, and no legitimate laws have been broken by him, so they got real creative with this particular law and are using that against Trump.
I hear that a lot of truckers are saying that starting Monday (today) they will refuse to deliver cargo to New York in protest of what New York is doing to Trump. That ought to be interesting.
“A study was done and it found that this particular law has never been used this way in the past.”
Do you have a link to this study?
“That’s because they are desperate to harm Trump, and no legitimate laws have been broken by him, “
Not true. I’ve posted above the judges written statement. He tetails in there the laws broken.
“I hear that a lot of truckers are saying that starting Monday (today) they will refuse to deliver cargo to New York in protest of what New York is doing to Trump. “
I will watch with interest to see if that makes a difference, but I support their legal right to protest.
Which is as it should be. We are continually reminded that we have a responsibility to pay our legal tax obligations, but no more.
The judge has made his personal opinion crystal clear.
Other judges, will have different opinions.
Will you say you’re sorry when this case is overturned?
If this cases is overturned I will accept that justice has been done an acknowledge that to you Tom. I’m not sure saying sorry is an appropriate course as all I am doing putting my faith in the law and reading the facts, which clearly at this point show Trump clearly deliberately lied about his net wealth, so he could make money.
“as all I am doing putting my faith in the law and reading the facts,”
You are putting your faith in a leftwing kook, Simon. This radical leftwing activist is trying to interfere in the presidential election. He is twisting the law to do so. I think that will be clear in the end.
I don’t think any of these charges against Trump will succeed.
Yeah, this crazy, radical leftist judge convicted Trump before testimony even began.
He was going to hit Trump as hard as he could from the very beginning.
State higher courts and possibly the U.S. Supreme Court will weigh in on this before it’s all over. I don’t think the obvious bias of the judge and the Attorney General will pass muster.
I am not a lawyer, I have not played one on TV nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately so help me out here:
1: Who was the injured party that brought this case?
2: A civil case is to make the injured party whole again, not to enhance their position, so how much are the supposed injured parties getting?
3: The Eight Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the imposition of excessive fines or is this amount not considered excessive?
Anyone?
Sorry I can’t help you there. I’m not a lawyer either…..
But I’m sure Trumps lawyers will be all over any loop hole if there is one.
Well you have such a strong sense of his wrongdoing I thought you might know this stuff. So who was frauded and by how much?
And the Constitution of the United States is not a loop hole, is the law and restricts what the government can do to us.
It is not really that complicated. He lied to get better rates on insurance and loans, so those companies missed out on money they should have got. Now Trump says he paid the loans back, so no one missed out, but that is just a classic Trump half truth, because he obtained better rates using deceit/fraudulently. So there you go.
No. Do you think the lenders just took his word? Do think they do not have a fiduciary responsibility to protect their loans? Of course they did their own evaluation. Loan rates are competitive and lenders can offer at a rate that attracts good customers. The lenders know exactly what each rate brings in so they aren’t missing out on any money. Insurance does the same. They know what the value of the property they are insuring is so they don’t over insure. How can anyone not know this?
So which company filed the fraud claim against Trump? What did they claim their damages were?
Whether they believed him on face value is irrelevant. Trump lied to gain financial advantage. That’s fraud under the present laws of New York.
“So which company filed the fraud claim against Trump? What did they claim their damages were?”
Again not relevant. Sorry, but that is how it is.
“Trump lied to gain financial advantage.”
Give us an example of Trump lying connected to this case.
You don’t have an example. All you have is a radical judge making this claim. You are appealing to a highly biased, obviously unhinged, radical leftwing judge as your authority.
You can do that, but that isn’t evidence of anything.
One example would be nice. Then we would know that you are not just parroting the unhinged judge.
“Give us an example of Trump lying connected to this case.”
Tom, he grossly overvalued his properties. This article details many of the frauds he committed.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-fraud-ruling-property-valuation-michael-cohen#:~:text=In%20this%20week's%20ruling%2C%20Engoron,%24812%20million%20to%20%242.2%20billion.
You don’t have an example. See above. Many examples.
“Tom, he grossly overvalued his properties.”
No, the judge grossly undervalued Trump’s properties.
Trump’s house in Florida is estimated to be worth $250 million+. The judge evaluated it at $18 million. Even a vacant lot in Trump’s neighborhood in Florida goes for $100 to $200 million dollars.
So where does this judge get this $18 million figure? It’s not even close to representing reality. Nobody except this judge would say Trump’s house is only worth $18 million. He would be laughed at if he were at a real estate convention and made this statement.
You have no evidence that Trump lied about anything, or tried to deceive anyone with his business transactions. That’s what you want to believe.
All sorts of experts signed off on these deals. So what you are actually saying is Trump’s accountants and real estate lawyers and the experts at all the banks he dealth with are lying, because they all signed off on these deals.
Does it sound plausible to you that all these people are lying about these deals? Why aren’t these other people being brought up on charges? Didn’t they have as much to do with defrauding the public as anyone? More, since Trump was depending on *their* evaluations, he wasn’t making them up on his own, so Trump cannot be the liar you claim he is. If anyone is lying, it’s not Trump.
“You have no evidence that Trump lied about anything, or tried to deceive anyone with his business transactions. That’s what you want to believe.”
Please see above.
Interesting comment. I take it that you have strong leftist leanings. Yet, you seem to be alright with rich people getting breaks on their insurance and interest rates just because they are rich, which the middle-class and poor don’t get. Why aren’t you railing against some people getting special treatment? Those rates aren’t dictated by law. They are willingly lowered by the insurance companies and lending agencies.
Nobody has been injured with Trump’s business transactions. Nobody has lost money. There are no victims.
The Attorney General says the general public is the victim. She claims Trump owes the public money. That is the basis of her charges. She says the public has been defrauded.
I don’t think she has a leg to stand on legally.
“Nobody has lost money.”
Yes they have Tom. The institutions he lied to gave him better rates, so they missed out.
The institutions making the loans made their own, indepedent evaluations, so if they missed out, it is their own fault, not Trump’s.
And I don’t concede that Trump was trying to fool the biggest banks in the world, and if he was, I don’t think he would be successful because the banks are not depending on anything Trump says, they are depending on their own evaluations. If Trump were trying to fool them, they would discover it beforehand.
They did their estimates based on the information Trump gave them and signed a statement saying they were true and correct…. which was clearly and evidentially fraudulent.
“I think”
Starting off with a LIE.
and the rest of your comment is just garbage. !
He still thinks the Russia Collusion propaganda was real, what a dolt.
Great idea, but not that way. At that point you need an international election observation, not a voluntary trump brigade.
All my life there were always representatives of each party at each polling station and present at all counting. Why that stopped is a mystery to me.
Trump is going to start it up again. He is going to have as many legal poll watchers on hand as possible to try to keep the Democrats from cheating.
I think Trump should plan to video the voting places, inside and out, 24-hours per day from the start to the finish. That way, he can spot votes being delivered in the dead of the night, after the polls have closed, like what happened in 2020.
The trump mobs are not viable poll watchers.
And he probably doesn’t want to film what they are doing.
What Trump mobs?
“I think Trump should plan to video the voting places, inside and out, 24-hours per day from the start to the finish. That way, he can spot votes being delivered in the dead of the night, after the polls have closed, like what happened in 2020.”
If you truely believe that Tom, then I genuinely feel sorry for you….
I truly believe Democrat cheating went on in the 2020 presidential election. I don’t know that the cheating was enough to swing the election. Maybe, maybe not.
I do know there were enough questionable votes to swing the election one way or the other, but we can’t say for sure who those questionable votes went to. But I can guess.
“I truly believe Democrat cheating went on in the 2020 presidential election.”
Any more than republican cheating? Exhaustive inquiries have found nothing more than the usual individual idiot who tried to vote twice. In fact the man Trump put in charge to watch over the entire event said it was secure. That’s enough for me.
I think it is probably understood, but the United States should state plainly that any nuclear detonations in space that take out our military and commercial satellites in one fell swoop will be a declaration of nuclear war and the offending country will receive the full nuclear response of the United States.
If Donald Trump made that statement, the Bad Guys would pay attention. Biden, not so much, but his administration should make this clear to our enemies.
If our enemies believe they will cause a nuclear war by detonating nuclear weapons in orbit, then they will not detonate nuclear weapons in orbit because they are not suicidal. With the exception of the Mad Mullahs of Iran who would not let that deter them since their god tells them that dying for the cause is a good thing.
If the Mad Mullahs get nuclear weapons, expect them to use them.
Obama and Biden have both enabled the Mad Mullahs to get close to building nuclear weapons, and this is the biggest blunder of the 21st century.
If they allow the Mad Mullahs to get a nuclear weapon, all hell with break loose.
The one good thing about this situation is Israel will do everything it can, including attacking the Mad Mullahs directly, in order to prevent them from acquiring and using a nuclear weapon. So all hope is not lost, even if Biden won’t act, which he probably won’t.
Joe Biden is the worst president evah!
Israel has acted in the past to ensure that no other country apart from them has a nuclear capability and they will do again.
They have no choice. They cannot afford to allow the Mad Mullahs to have nuclear weapons. They know what the Mad Mullahs will do with those nuclear weapons.
And keep in mind that Israel has its own nuclear weapons, so don’t think they can’t stop the Mad Mullahs if they think they have to.
And I see Trump has once again (by a different group this time been voted the worst president in modern history. And while a lot of this is individual opinion… worst is a long way from the top.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-worst-president-poll-b2498963.html
“Joe Biden is the worst president evah!”
Hmmm he is probably loosing it (I think Trump is too), but his speech re the murder by Putin of Navalny was stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia2sy7z1Cqs
And he is 100% right. The US needs to send Putin a message by maintaining support for Ukraine.
I’ll note that to date Trump has made no comment re Navalny. Maybe he doesn’t want to upset his fwend Putin. But now is the time for everyone to send the war criminal a message.
No one cares what you rant about.
You seem to…… You can’t help but come out of the slime hole.
… slither off, little deranged TDS worm. !
Back to the fetid ooze that you came from.
What you say Putin did to Navalny…
… is essentially the same as the Democrat are trying to do to Trump.
Navalny.. a serial embezzler, found guilty of fraud several times..
…. just the sort of pretender you would support. !
I agree that Putin should be condemned for his treatment of Navalny.
I agree that Ukraine should be supported.
Putin is not Trump’s friend. That is a leftwing talking point, and apparently now it’s a Nikki Haley talking point. Drop out, Nikki. It’s over.
Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.
Putin was asked who he preferred, Hillary or Trump. Putin said he preferred Hillary.
Trump thanked Putin for making it clear that he, Putin, doesn’t prefer Trump.
And we know the reason Putin supports Hillary and Biden, because they enable Putin’s actions, unlike Trump, who restricts Putin’s actions. Of course, Putin is going to prefer Hillary or Biden or any other clueless Democrat. It’s in his interest.
“Putin is not Trump’s friend. ”
Then now is the time for Trump to come out and make a concise statement damning the assassination of Navany.
“Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.”
And you believe that? Did you watch Biden’s statement re Navalny? Clear, concise, statesmanly.
“And we know the reason Putin supports Hillary and Biden, because they enable Putin’s actions, unlike Trump, who restricts Putin’s actions. “
Then why hasn’t Trump stood up to the bully Putin and condemned his killing of Navalny? Are you not puzzled by this lack of action?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/19/donald-trump-alexei-navalny-00142095
Wow, you’re mad the NAZI Nalveny was assassinated? How long you been a party member?
I’m mad a political opponent was assassinated by a dictator tyrant. If he is a nazi (and I doubt he is) it would make no difference to my feelings about him being killed on the orders of Putin.
Are these orders in the room with you now?
Ok that makes no sense….. Orders? I’m not at a McDonalds.
It makes sense. He is asking you if you have proof that Putin issued an order to have Navalny killed.
You confidently state it is a fact, so what is that based on?
I personally, think it is most probable that Putin had something to do with his death, in one way or another, but stating it as an established, provable fact is something else.
There is not anyone on the left or right in the US who doubts Putin murdered him. He had already tried once, so no, I’m sorry Tom that is a red hearing.
““Putin was asked the other day who he preferred as president, Biden or Trump. Putin said he preferred Biden.”
Simon: And you believe that? Did you watch Biden’s statement re Navalny? Clear, concise, statesmanly.”
Do you think this statement by Biden strikes fear in Putin’s heart? I don’ tthink so. I think Putin has Biden pegged as an appeaser who will do the minimum and won’t seriously confront Putin.
“Do you think this statement by Biden strikes fear in Putin’s heart? I don’ tthink so”
I don’t think anything strikes pear into Putins heart. Certainly not a boot licker like Trump.
He is president in name only. He frequently has difficulty finding his way off the stage after he finishes reading the teleprompter. He is obviously a puppet.
Maybe you are right re Biden, but what a choice….. Dementia Joe, or Criminal Dementia Donnie?
Trump has several magnitudes more working intellect than either Biden or you.
Notice that bright boy here didn’t answer any of my questions.
Not a surprise.
Our two-party system has usually confronted me with the dilemma of deciding which candidate is the lesser of two evils. Yet, I think that American has done a damn good job of competing with the rest of the world and providing an exemplary example of how to do things. I am of English, Irish, and Scottish heritage, but I can’t say the same of of the UK.
Heads up about rising ocean temperatures. I cannot see the original article.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/02/skyrocketing-ocean-temperatures-have-scientists-scratching-their-heads/
Story Tip.
Oh look ANOTHER lithium battery storage facility goes up in flame… and putrid hazardous pollution… This time in France.
Lithium battery warehouse goes up in flames | NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT (wordpress.com)
Story tip
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-recycling-plant-fire-housing-900-tonnes-lithium-batteries-2024-02-18/
French recycling plant on fire housing 900 tonnes of lithium batteries
Reuters
February 18, 2024 10:36 PM UTC
Yikes.
Yeah, there’s “no danger” from hydrogen fluoride…